#twilight transformation

[therealvinelle]

Do you think there needs to be a minimal amount of venom or a specific concentration of it to turn someone?

My thought was that a single bite is enough to turn an adult and since Twilight vampires don't have fangs that directly inject the venom it must be the little amount of saliva that's on their teeth that does it. So you dont need much but could one vampire spit into a town's water supply and turn a bunch of people that way?

Granted, it'd be a horribly inefficient way of doing it IF it works in the first place (the person needs a cut or other small injury for the venom to enter the bloodstream, no control over who turns and who doesn't, you might end up with 20 newborns at once and have the volturi come after you etc.) but the potential for chaos is so delicious. Also it'd be really funny if that inspired another law: 1. keep the secret 2. no immortal children 3. don't spit into a town's water supply, you nasty people.

Partially answered: less venom injected simply means longer incubation time. This is the case with real life viruses too, and where it entered the body can also impact incubation period.

I think, judging by the fact that this hasn't happened in canon, there are no records of people turning into vampires without being bitten, venom probably doesn't survive very long on its own or when exposed to elements that are not a human.

Carlisle did invent syringes for Breaking Dawn, but we don't know what material those were made of, how long they'd been sitting when Edward used them nor, crucially, if they actually worked. Edward bit Bella everywhere he could manage in addition to using the syringes, it could be the venom in the syringes had already died or lost potency by that time and Bella was turned from the bites alone. Carlisle, who was on a time crunch with limited resources, would not have had an opportunity to test these.

In other words, we know from people only becoming vampires in canon from direct exposure that venom can't survive on its own, and the syringes don't prove that venom could survive under certain conditions because we don't actually know that those syringes were potent.

Fascinating question, anon! Know that there was a lot of virology babble in this post that I had to delete upon remembering I had no idea what I was talking about.

[therealvinelle]

guys i have a great theory. ok so i recently learnt that the larynx (aka your voice box) moves (well its a muscle so ofc it moves but i never took bio and just um.. never thought about it) and moreover its resting position RISES if you cry too often (did you know singers sometimes undergo a laryngeal massage to reset the larynx position?) ok thats unrelated i just thought it was cool. or maybe its related because what if during the vampire transformation it froze your voice box? or changed it in some way (yeah who knows how vampire muscles work or if they even exist)? that could be why their voices sound high, bell-like, unnatural to us. and considering they go through a few days of pain... im thinkin crying is happening a lot...

I agree that vampire voices sound different because of what happens to their vocal instrument during the transformation, though I'm not sure about the larynx' position being affected by the transformation considering Bella and Carlisle, who both kept silent during their respective transformations, have the same vampirey voices as everyone else. In Bella's case, she's gone full wind chime.

Still, your argument is a good one so the fact that canon proves differently must mean one of two things: option a, the transformation undoes the movement of the larynx, or option b, the timespan is too short for the larynx to move position and all that happens if you damage your throat (which the transformation then heals). Or secret option c.

[therealvinelle]

Why do you describe vampire!Bella as being emaciated?

Because she's just gone through a pregnancy that hollowed her out, everyone agreed she lost a lot of weight and became sickly thin during that pregnancy. She was thin before the pregnancy as well, but being a hybrid incubator meant Renesmee was eating her from within, which brought a dramatic weight loss.

As a vampire she describes her limbs as looking "healthy", I'll give her that.

However, given what we know of how vampires become more beautiful and get muscle definition upon being turned, but their body shape and type stays the same, I don't see how Bella could get that weight back. The mass simply isn't there, the venom has nothing to rebuild from (unless the carbon in the air she breathes in during the transformation is carbonized, but @franzias-cave is the one who can provide an educated answer for that one).

I don't see how can she be anything but emaciated.

[therealvinelle]

Speaking of titanium hips, what happens if a human is transformed into a vampire with metal objects inside of them?

Answered in part here, I imagine the titanium hip is either ejected and replaced, or assimilated. Most likely the former, as we see the transformation regrows a lot of tissue.