#two or more

[elysiumwaits]

Apparently there are ship wars going on the Stranger Things fandom and I'm just over here like, "Have you tried... polyamory?"

[languagesinthenight]

Guess who just decided that they're going to learn swedish sign language????

me, obvi

and I'm making my sibling learn with me so we can talk to each other and learn better I guess

but the problem is,,, im in Poland until thursday and I don't have a lot of ressources or time here so we'll see

also, I'm getting interested in Polish?? (i discovered that the word for taste (smak) is the same in Swedish and polish) and i wanna learn

[moongrace]

I made a thing!

[krissibarks]

ALSO I GOT PAID AND IMMMM

[rasalhague888]

"Mandela Effect" in Bible debunked

https://chatgpt.com/share/8eb93551-94cb-4763-8ccd-669d12b3ccc6

List all known "Mandela Effects" which have to do with the Holy Bible. ChatGPT:

The "Mandela Effect" refers to instances where a large group of people remember something differently from how it actually occurred or is recorded. This phenomenon has led to a number of alleged discrepancies in the Holy Bible that people claim to remember differently. Here are some of the most commonly cited Mandela Effects related to the Bible:

Isaiah 11:6 – "The lion shall lay down with the lamb" Many people remember this verse as mentioning a lion lying down with a lamb, but the actual verse reads: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid..." (KJV).

The Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13) Some individuals recall the wording differently, particularly the phrases "forgive us our trespasses" versus "forgive us our debts." The King James Version (KJV) states: "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."

Genesis 1:1 – "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Some remember it as "heavens," while the KJV and many other versions use "heaven" in singular form: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Matthew 7:1 – "Judge not, lest ye be judged" The remembered phrase "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is commonly quoted, but the KJV states: "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Luke 19:27 – "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Some claim not to recall this verse at all or remember it being different, as it sounds quite harsh.

Exodus 34:14 – "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Many people do not recall God referring to Himself as "Jealous."

"The lion shall lay down with the lamb" versus "the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" The common misconception is of a lion and lamb lying together, but the Bible actually states a wolf and a lamb: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb..." (Isaiah 11:6, KJV).

Luke 17:34 – "Two men in one bed" This verse states: "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." Some find this surprising and claim to not recall it being in the Bible.

Proverbs 23:7 – "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he" The actual verse in the KJV states: "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee."

These examples illustrate how collective memory can sometimes diverge from the recorded text, leading to the fascinating phenomenon known as the Mandela Effect. rasalhague888:

1. Sufficiently explained. 2. The word 'debts' is found in the KJV Lord's Prayer. The word 'trespasses' is commonly used in Roman Catholic liturgy. The same idea is conveyed by both: an 'outstanding obligation'. 3. e.g. The NAB, 'New American Bible" says 'heavens'. The KJV says "heaven". In fact, St. Paul speaks of a 'third heaven' somewhere. In short, there is no real mystery here, and no evidence of a 'supernatural' retroactive physical change to the printed words. 4. Yes, the KJV states: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." The meaning is the same: we are not to judge, unless we are prepared to be judged ourselves. 5. That is no "Mandela Effect" -- that is a personal sentiment. Nevertheless, those who refuse to be governed by a righteous King shouldn't expect some other outcome. 6. Many people are ignorant of the meaning of 'jealous', confusing it with 'envious'. Envy is a grievous sin, but jealousy is guarding one's own. i.e. zealous. [ https://www.etymonline.com/word/zealous ] 7. Yes, common misconception. No "Mandela Effect". 8. Those who find it surprising are assuming that the 'two men' are involved in illicit carnal relations. The reality is that He is referring to the fact that every single man is essence 'two men' -- the natural (carnal) man, and the heavenly (spiritual) man: 1 Cor 47: The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 9. This is much like Jesus Christ and Judas during the Last Supper -- though they were sharing the meal, their hearts were quite far from one another. Regardless of interpreted meaning, absolutely no "Mandela Effect" here.

ChatGPT:

Thank you for the detailed insights. Based on your clarifications, it seems that many instances cited as "Mandela Effects" in the Holy Bible can be explained by variations in translation, common misconceptions, or lack of familiarity with certain verses. Here’s a refined list considering your points:

Isaiah 11:6 – "The lion shall lay down with the lamb" This remains the most commonly cited example of the Mandela Effect in the Bible. The actual verse in the KJV reads: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb."

The Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13) The difference in wording ("forgive us our trespasses" vs. "forgive us our debts") is due to variations in liturgical traditions and translations, rather than a Mandela Effect.

Genesis 1:1 – "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" This discrepancy between "heaven" and "heavens" can be attributed to different Bible translations. The KJV says "heaven," while some other versions, like the NAB, say "heavens."

Matthew 7:1 – "Judge not, lest ye be judged" The remembered phrase "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is essentially the same in meaning as the KJV's "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Luke 19:27 – "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." This verse is often surprising to some, but it is not a Mandela Effect.

Exodus 34:14 – "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." The confusion here is often due to a misunderstanding of the word "jealous."

"The lion shall lay down with the lamb" versus "the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" Again, this is a common misconception rather than a Mandela Effect.

Luke 17:34 – "Two men in one bed" The verse is sometimes misinterpreted, but it is not a Mandela Effect. The passage is about being taken or left behind, not about the nature of the men's relationship.

Proverbs 23:7 – "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he" The full verse in context is about a person's insincerity. The remembered phrase matches the KJV but is often taken out of context.

In conclusion, many supposed Mandela Effects in the Bible arise from differences in translation, common misconceptions, or contextual misunderstandings rather than supernatural changes to the text. rasalhague888:

There is one more, regarding Matthew 18. Cite it. ChatGPT:

Certainly! Another commonly cited example of the Mandela Effect in the Bible involves a verse from Matthew 18. Specifically, it concerns Matthew 18:20. Many people remember the verse as saying:

"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them."

However, some individuals claim to remember it differently, with the wording being slightly altered, such as:

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, I am there among them."

The difference is minor, and variations can be attributed to different Bible translations or personal recollections, rather than a supernatural alteration of the text. The King James Version (KJV) states:

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

The New International Version (NIV) renders it:

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

These slight variations in wording across translations might contribute to the perception of a Mandela Effect. rasalhague888:

Yes, and there is more. Contrast KJV and NIV versions of Matthew 18:16. ChatGPT:

Certainly! Matthew 18:16 is another verse where people often notice differences between translations. Here's a comparison of the King James Version (KJV) and the New International Version (NIV) of this verse:

Matthew 18:16 (KJV): "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

Matthew 18:16 (NIV): "But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'"

Key Differences:

Addressing the person: KJV: "if he will not hear thee" NIV: "if they will not listen"

Additional persons: KJV: "take with thee one or two more" NIV: "take one or two others along"

Purpose of additional persons: KJV: "that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established" NIV: "so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'"

Analysis:

Pronouns and Perspective:

The KJV uses singular pronouns ("he," "thee"), reflecting a direct, personal address.

The NIV uses plural pronouns ("they"), making the instruction more inclusive and less personal.

Wording of Witness Testimony:

The KJV phrase "in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established" has a formal tone.

The NIV rephrases it to "every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses," which is clearer to modern readers.

Quotation Marks:

The NIV includes quotation marks around the reference to the testimony of witnesses, signaling a direct citation from Old Testament law (Deuteronomy 19:15).

These differences are typical of the stylistic and linguistic updates found in modern translations like the NIV compared to the older, more formal language of the KJV. Such variations often lead to discussions about the Mandela Effect, though they primarily reflect translation philosophy and updates in language use. rasalhague888:

Case 2. Yes, the NIV replaced the word 'more' with 'others along'. A completely unnecessary substitution. It adds nothing to the meaning, and is less concise. ChatGPT:

Your observation highlights one of the common critiques of modern Bible translations: the alteration of wording that may not significantly change the meaning but does affect the conciseness and familiarity of the text. Let's look at the specific change again:

Matthew 18:16 (KJV): "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

Matthew 18:16 (NIV): "But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'"

Key Differences:

KJV: "one or two more" This phrase is direct and concise.

NIV: "one or two others along" This phrase is slightly longer and perhaps less direct.

Analysis:

Conciseness:

The KJV's use of "one or two more" is shorter and more to the point.

The NIV's "one or two others along" uses additional words ("others" and "along") which might be seen as redundant without adding significant clarity.

Familiarity:

Many readers are accustomed to the phrasing of the KJV, which has been in use for centuries. Changes, even if minor, can stand out and cause confusion or the perception of an alteration in meaning.

Translation Philosophy:

The NIV often aims for a balance between word-for-word and thought-for-thought translation, sometimes resulting in additional words to ensure clarity for contemporary readers.

The KJV tends to stick closer to a word-for-word translation, maintaining the brevity of the original text.

Your point about the substitution being unnecessary is valid from the perspective of maintaining conciseness and familiarity. Many such differences between Bible translations can lead to the perception of discrepancies, contributing to discussions about the Mandela Effect. However, these changes are typically the result of translation choices rather than actual alterations of the biblical text.

[silli-rose]

Hey people I wanna do this thing where you guy pick two or more people or anyone. And it can be ANYONE and I want to draw them for you guys. Sounds good? Okay ((My best buddy picked out those two above x3))

[alexenglish]

I’m allowed to like bruniall AND miss blonde Niall. 

I’m bisexual, it’s written on the permit.