If you had to estimate how old do you think Valdemar is?? If it’s on the realm of 100000 years that’s like. Enough for humanity to have literally evolved a bit and I think that’s both really funny and really interesting, especially considering that “civilizations” as we know them arose a few thousand years ago
OOOOOOH interesting, I just replayed a bunch of Valdemar scenes and I didn't come to a great conclusion, I only played a little bit tho admittedly I was too excited to answer this to focus on reading.......
we know from Nadia's route, that they are at least a solid 1000 years old (OBVIOUSLY MUCH MUCH OLDER THAN THAT but I'm talking solid evidence here)
they also self-describe as "ancient" in Portia's route-
-and we ABSOLUTELY know that to be true for many reasons
for one, the 777 year cycle Vesuvia undergoes. we do not have a clear idea of how much this has occured, but i can solidly say that this has occurred at least 3 different times, probably many many more (Portia's route XVII if you want more details)
so, if the 777 year cycle has happened at least 3 times (LIKELY MANY MANY MORE BUT I WANNA GO OFF OF SOLID EVIDENCE HERE) then that means Vesuvia was founded 2,331 years ago
2,331 years ago, you will recall, Valdemar was already incomprehensible. meaning they've been at this demon business for a while beforehand..... point is theyre like OLD old like 2 thousand years at the YOUNGEST... not even accounting for however long it took them to become incomprehensible all those years ago