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My opinions on Yoonmin, shipping, and being a Yoonminer

Disclaimer:

My opinions are mine and opinions not unequivocal fact. I love talking about yoonmin I won't debate about them though. I'm gonna talk about yoonmin but also about other ships (i'll censor) and shipping at large. LETS GOOO

Thoughts on Shipping:

I think "btsp0ly" is a weird cop-out that ot7ers do to enjoy how gay BTS is without having to actually think too hard about who really REALLY could be in a relationship. I don't think anyone thinks all 7 members are in an ACTUAL polyamorous relationship and if they do....well 😬

I do think shipping in general is harmless, HOWEVER, some people do too much, I cannot imagine going in the solo direction or being upset at other members for breathing near my ship. Like,,,grow up LMAO.

The world has progressed past j*k**kers. They're like dallas cowboy fans, or t**mp supporters, they don't win in the end and when they do it's not enough for them/what they actually wanted. Being around them is like driving through a sketchy ass town lock your doors and accelerate past, DO NOT INTERACT.

Thoughts on being a Yoonminer:

It's fun! Yoonmin is a ship that requires a lot of patience and paying attention and if you're willing to do that it can be very rewarding.

I think old school yoonminers tend to harp a little bit more on past yoonmin than new school yoonminers do. It's not a bad thing but it's now how I like to spend my time. Yoonmin is doing so much right now and in the past 4-5 years if it's older than 2019 I probably won't reference it or bring it up.

Yoonminers who try to figure out if ym is upset with each other because they're not all over each other are a little (???) you went through years with crumbs but them not being lovey dovey one day is enough for you to decide they're fighting? Odd. tighten up.

Thoughts on Yoonmin:

I think Yoonmin are in some type of comitted romantic relatonship and have been for at least 2-3 years. Whether they would label themselves as boyfriends, partners, or "figuring it out" I don't know but their actions lead me to believe that the likelihood of it being platonic is lower than the likelihood of it being romantic.

While I usually don't put a lot onto "omg this kpop duo is matching" yoonmin match a LOT. like a little bit more than makes sense if it wasn't intentional? It kind of makes sense because we know they live next to each other but the idea that these two cuties literally coordinate outfits to go into work together is too much like they're so cute???

I'm now fairly certain yoonmin had some type of "disconnect" or "breakup" that led to Jimin dating that lady. My insticnt says they decided to cut off whatver they had going on pre-2020 to protect the group and their hearts as enlistment inched closer and closer. I think Jimin was heartbroken and decided to escape in alcohol and 😬 bad decisions. I really think that if you have listened to the Face album and read the lyrics and listend to what Jimin has said of the album none of this sounds too farfetched or like too much of a surprise.

To that account I think they got back together sometime in 2021-2022 and have been together and quite frankly really happy ever since.

I think Yoongi and Jimin really value their privacy and are actually very protective of what they have. With Jimin being maybe even more conscious and cautious. As a maknae line member Jimin is subject to a lot of scrutiny so I think anything they choose to share is deliberate and should be valued for that deliberateness.

I also think they'll never be t**k**k. I don't think we're ever going to get overly playful on stage, hanging all over each other in offical content (although yoongi 👀 ive seen you), flirting on IG and weverse, the very patented maknae line vibe from them. That's just not how they are with each other and I know it doesn't diminish what they have at all. I think people have to stop wanting that from them and be satisfied with what they do give because they give a lot more NOW than they did in the past.

Yoonmin are definitely "quieter" in South Korea. I think this is for a few reasons. I think it's the obvious cultural implication. But I also think that Yoonmin have arranged their lives so that they can spend a lot of time together without us knowing about it. So they're quieter to us maybe but it doesn't mean they're not seeing each other. We know from Jimin and Yoongi's own mouth that they do see other even if theyre not posting about it.

I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times. Jimin is just as obsessed with Yoongi as Yoongi is with him. Those that think it's unrequited or one sided just do not know Jimin or quite frankly Yoongi that well. This really could be an entire seperate blog post so I won't dive too deep but know that Jimin is right where he wants to be in terms of Yoongi's affecitons and he asked for it.

Yoongi slapping Jimin's ass on a weverse live was crazy but what was crazier is Jimin didn't flinch or look shocked or say "hyung!!" like he just went with it??? it clearly happens more often that we know.

Yoonmin washing up together a few times in america is one thing. Yoonmin washing up together, sharing a studio together, living next door to each other, coming in the same car to work together and then leaving together to hang out after they've worked together is quite another. I said this on a different post but I really think if they're not romantic...that's actually kinda crazy...LMAO. Like they're behavior is better explained through a romantic lense than a friend lense so sorry. they're literally this tweet:

That's all I have for today! Keep it cute in the replies and if you want a long in-depth answer to anything feel free to leave me an ask and say if I can answer it publicly.

[yoonminschoice]

here's my thing

about people who like and acknowledge yoonmins bond but quickly rush to say they don't feel it's romantic...to me everything they do would actually be weirder if romance was a non factor.

Like yeah sorry I think it's odd to move next door (maybe even on the same floor) with the man you have zero romantic feelings for that you already lived with for 7 years.

Id find it odd that despite living next door all the time to each other you go to a completely different city and choose to share a bathroom and a studio for making music.

I would think it's a bit strange for a man to simply be your friend and for you to clam up under his gaze on national television.

I'm not saying its not possible truly best friends exist, truly close friends who can't live without each other is possible.

I just think the truth is right in front of us. Yoongi and Jimin are special to each other beyond the group and they've established that time and time again.

I truly believe if it was anyone else people wouldn't rush to move romance off the table because either theyre really REALLY close and want to be close so often so much that their friends notice and tease them about it and nothing has been acted on orr there is romantic feelings. I truly feel the romantic feelings seems more likely especially given the circumstances.

As for me, sometimes I don't know about yoonmin. Despite all the evidence mounting I remain open minded that I can be wrong. My heart tells me they fell for each other some years ago and have acted on it in the most recent years. It's hard to tell what that relationship is fully from the outside but something casual? Something platonic? No I don't think so.

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Omg I agree with your take so much. I started shipping Yoonmin back in 2018 when I was first introduced to BTS. Back then I just thought they'd look cute together and thought shipping them was just for fun but here recently Yoongi has made me think he's actually in love with Jimin. I'm unsure if Jimin feels the same but I hope he does. I dont know if we'll ever know but its clear to me as well that I'm not delusional with Yoongi at least. He's madly in love with Jimin. Do you think we'll ever know how the two truly feel given the society they live in and how taboo same sex relations are over there. And do you think that maybe Jimin sees how much Yoongi cares for him but maybe he's battling with his sexuality? Sorry for coming out of nowhere and I hope my thoughts made sense, I just needed to talk to someone about this😭 during Jimin Fallon when they crowd went absolutely crazy for them , they didn't seem to mind it. That gave me hope that they know the fans ship them and they don't mind it.

And to this I offer, Yoongi is acting like this because Jimin wants and likes it. Jimin told Yoongi back in 2020, I want you to long for me more actively. This is a basic translation, but it's straightforward in its request, and the basis of the conversation is important too. Jimin went to Yoongi's Music Video, and from what we saw/ what Jimin communicated, yoongi played it cool with him being there. A little too cool for Jimin's liking. It's not a secret that BTS didn't have much free time, so a member visiting another member when they didn't have to might not have been a massive deal, but it certainly wasn't required of them and should have been appreciated a little louder.

I think since then, Yoongi has been very focused on showing Jimin, outwardly, his appreciation and care for him.

Now 2022/23 onwards, I think it's something else entirely. I think something changed between Jimin and Yoongi permanently when Jimin was going through a hard time back in 2022. We don't know what that hard time was explicitly, but based on suchwita, what Jimin hinted at in face, and ahem, kmedia, we can kind of take a guess. I think the comfort that Yoongi brought to Jimin during this time might have evolved into something more 👀 if you want me to expand on this let me know and I will.

While we don't see Jimin being asked questions about Yoongi to make him flustered, we do see him being obvious in his own Jimin way. From seeing Yoongis concert three times, to wearing his merch constantly, to mentioning Yoongi multiple times in promoting his own solo content, to talking about the birthday they shared together and sitting next to him in official Arirang promo. Jimin is more subtle than Yoongi but I think that has more to do with personality than it does lack of affection or reciprocation. I'm human just like you, and I'd love to hear Jimin be more open about how he feels about Yoongi. Thankfully, military enlistment is a thing of the past, so if Jimin chooses to share his affection for Yoongi with us then he has time to do that. But I highly doubt Yoongi isn't receiving that affection on a weekly, if not daily basis. Regarding Jimin's sexuality, I obviously am not in his head, but I don't think he's battling! I think his Jimin ID Chaos photo shoot that was splashed in the Bisexual coloring was enough for me to place him very firmly in the LGBTQ+IA community, while still not being provocative/firm enough for him to make real waves in a more conservative Korea. I think Yoonmin is keenly aware that fans ship them and if anything, may have tried to avoid prying eyes in the past. I think they're more comfortable with themselves and their role within Hybe now so more obvious moments will head our way but I'm not sure when or if we'll ever have official confirmation.

Someone said maybe they'll pull a Dan and Phill, and while I'm not a fan it's possible! When any danger or threat is long gone, maybe they'll tell us exactly what's between them.

[yoonminschoice]

its time for a poll

What is yoonmins relationship?

theyre spiritually married (blah blah gay marriage isn't legal in Korea blah)

Theyre in a long term committed romantic relationship

Theyre in a committed romantic relationship that started in the last 2-3 yrs

They're friends with benefits who are exclusive

They're friends with benefits who aren't exclusive

They're best friends and there's nothing romantic going on.

A secret 7th thing.

Voting ended onJun 3

[yoonminschoice]

Yes ,please expand!

Taking a trip to delulu land so if that's not your vibe, my apologies.

I think that for whatever reason, during a weird time in his life Jimin dated someone lets call her, a-lady.

I think Jimin dated a-lady because he wanted to. I think he dated her when he was lonely and was seeking something/anything outside of his role as Jimin to help him feel grounded and more like a person and less like an idea.

I think he quickly found that to a-lady he was still a concept, something to be used, or flashed around and while he was able to walk away from that I think he had some kinda destructive behaviors that followed. Which is what he explored on Face, and I feel like what they were referring to on suchwita when they said Yoongi saw Jimin going crazy in real time. I get the impression from behind the scenes of Face that Yoongi and Jimin spent long periods of time talking about love and relationships, and from there, perhaps confessions were spilled which I think we kind of get a taste of on Muse. (Keeping in mind that their art is not 1 to 1 how they feel, but art to be felt and applied to our lives more than theirs)

All I can say is, from 2022 onward, Yoongi doesn't seem too shy about letting Jimin know how he feels, and I don't think he would be doing that if it hadn't been discussed extensively in private. I just don't see Jimin being comfortable with it, even if Jimin himself isn't fumbling over himself to say how he feels.

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An island of our own: Yoonmin and the island motif. 🏝️

I've noticed that the idea of being alone with someone on an island often comes up often between Yoonmin and I find it fascinating.

Yoongi has said a few times that if he could bring anyone to to a deserted island he would chose Jimin.

Here's a link to one of the times Yoongi says this in an interview:

buy love yourself: answer on itunes

[TRANS] TVDaily Relay Talk w/ BTS - Suga TVD: You have to immediately go to a deserted island tomorrow! TVD: If you can only take 3 things w

Jimin then brings it up again in 2019 when asked the same question:

Fast forward to 2020 Yoongi mentions on the Jimin episode of his radio show that again hed go with Jimin to a deserted island.

So throughout the years, Jimin and Yoongi mention this idea of being alone on an island together. Now while Jimin and Yoongi haven't to my knowledge had that chance to be completely alone on an island they have had an experience with just the two of them in Hawaii

Jimin in 2017 mentions that in Hawaii they went stargazing together:

Fast forward to 2022, Yoongi and Jimin do an AD for Jeju island where it is decidedly just the two of them

The idea of an Island for two even shows up within Yoongi and Jimin's Music.

Here is the song eight by IU Ft Suga where he mentions an Island that the two within the song both built

lyrics credit here

Again the idea of an island shows up within Telepathy:

Lyrics Credit: Trans cr; Faith | Spot Check cr; Mary, Aditi & Yein @ bts-trans

In 140503 Yoongi expresses not wanting to be left alone on the island

Lyrics credit: Trans cr; Vicky & Sylvia @ bts-trans

Finally we have Jimin's debut with the word island, in Be Mine where he also mentions wanting it to be just him and one other person:

Lyrics Credit: Trans cr; Annie | Spot Check cr; Aditi @ bts-trans

So we can see even in lyrics that Yoongi and Jimin both have mentioned the idea of being on an island with just another person 👀. And based on the several interviews where Jimin or Yoongi mention the idea of being on an island together I think we can do a little 1+1=2 here.

I think the idea of getting away to a place where only the two of them can be is something special to yoonmin. The idea of their own little paradise in the ocean that is their fame and notoriety sounds healing in a time where they make special efforts to see each other amongst their busy schedules. I hope that yoonmin can find their own little island soon.

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i need a theory on how yoongi lives in the same complex as jimin and no one knew about it

Hello Anon! When I received this ask I had to take 80 years and 50 additional days to lay down. Just like I had to when I first heard about it because like OMG?!??! It's just so???? Combine this information with the fact that: Jimin said when Yoongi enlisted that they had been calling a lot and contacting a lot. (two different words for two different actions and we know Jimin isn't big on texting.) Yoongi and Jimin have both mentioned multiple times that they've met up with each other pretty frequently. Yoongi IMPLIED that he was with Jimin during or shortly after Like Crazy went #1 on billboard The Birthday Hotteok. I can really go on and on and ON about this information but there's really no separate theory other than now it makes sense as to why they'd been able to make time for each other with their busy schedules. Other than the fact that they wanted to so they did. I imagine living within walking distance of the other can definitely make a difference and helps with privacy. (((also I ALWAYS thought that Jimin told Yoongi in person that he was going to film AYS?! and while this doesn't directly confirm that theory it would make more and more sense with them living super close)))

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My opinions about Yoonmin

aLRIGHT so. to be clear these are my opinions, nothing I am stating is unequivocal fact, some of these opinions may be unpopular, some of them are about yoonmin some of them are about purveying narratives surrounding them, either way this is all just me thinking out loud

I don't know or care if yoongi and Jimin ever went through a "breakup". More than likely any tension that people cite as "breakup tension" is stress or exhaustion from being global superstars and has little to nothing to do with how they feel about each other.

To THAT POINT if yoongi and jimin ever had any type of breakup it wouldn't make their relationship less real or less valid, people who lose their shit at the implication that they've ever had a rough patch are weird and should look inward and take it down a notch.

I don't think Jimin gets enough credit for how obsessed he is with Yoongi. The fandom, rival shippers, and sometimes even yoonminers like to act like Yoongi is the only one down bad but it's so clearly mutual with Jimin often initiating more public displays of affection.

I think it's very possible that Yoongi has written songs for and about Jimin. Do I think we've heard them? Not sure. But I know Jimin has heard a few.

Room 779? Boring. Overdone. Easily disproven. IN THE SOOP CAMPER VAN CUT FOOTAGE I n t e r e s t i ng. was initiated by yoonmin in front of us. hard for anyone to deny.

People who consistently dismiss yoongi and jimin as being brotherly or even dad-son like are being so weird . They are not related and their age gap is literally two freaking years. You'll usually hear this from rival shippers whod rather close their eyes cover their ears and say lalalalla than make room for nuance.

The deliberate cutting short of Yoonmin moments from official content I think is done with yoonmin's knowledge and cooperation. I think they both value their privacy and Big Hit, while not perfect, has worked extremely hard to give it to them so that they can retain a sense of normalcy.

In order to fully understand Yoonmin you have to watch full length content and not edits. Edits are not able to do justice to their dynamic. I watch full length content on their YouTube and weverse and for older stuff, I use BTS Subs which sorts subtitled videos into era and by member.

I think Hybe is very deliberate about which duos they show and don't show as often. I think the duos that get more screentime, are deemed as "safe" they bring in the money, the Twitter trends, and serve as a distraction while presenting little to no risk to the actual business of BTS. (Iykyk)

I think Jimin and Yoongi have gaming nights over at jimin's house and that's why there's two chairs in that one room in his house.

I think yoonmin were very strategic about constantly referencing each other in 2023 and hanging out in private while letting fans know about it (new York, both birthdays, sushi date, working out etc). I think they're testing the waters to how it feels to be more open with the fan base

I am not as concerned with the logistics of Yoongi and jimin's relationship (monogamous. Vs poly , married vs dating, etc) I certainly don't think their relationship is platonic and I doubt it's been platonic anytime recently.

I think some of the most damning evidence that Yoongi and Jimin had something going on is how Jimin acted when Yoongi was out for surgery and how they clung to each other after Yoongi was fully back.

Yoongi and Jimin consistently say romantic and soft stuff to each other and I find that more interesting to analyze and theorize about than their ""bickering"" dynamic

I don't think the start date of yoonmins relationship matters so much and idk why people argue about it lol. They've always been "🏳️‍🌈 👁️👁️?"So who cares when they made it "official"

And that is all for todayyy. What are some of YOUR opinions about yoonmin.