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[neni-has-ascended]

I actually just bought The Caligula Effect since it was like 1/3 price. It's alright so far, a bit slow, but that's down to the way I've been playing. How do you feel the anime compares to the writing of P1 and P2? Apparently a P3P/Golden type rerelease is being made, with a new route and characters.

What surprises me is that the anime so far shows some writing traits that I associate more with the Hashino-era Persona games than the Satomi-era Persona games, especially in how the individual characters’ issues are portrayed and such. It makes me wonder if Satomi hasn’t been keeping up with the series from the outside after leaving Atlus. So far, I’m really happy with what I’ve seen tho. I gotta catch up with the last couple of episodes still tho.

I know about Overdose! I’m probably gonna buy it if I like the Anime all the way to the end-

[mangakachan]

Hey, I don't know if you can help with this, but the side stories all fit at some point during the manga right? I mean aside from the Kousagi story. I know that but where in the manga do they fit? (I mean obviously Casablanca Memory is during the Dark Kingdom arc and the exam battle series is before Dead Moon, but is there more concrete placement?

You pretty much have it down. The Hammer Price shop takes place after the Dead Moon arc and before the Stars arc. But not all of the stories fit neatly into a linear story line. The Princess Kaguya story takes place between the Death Busters and the Dead Moon arc, but also essentially retcons the whole “Outers going away to raise Hotaru” plot. Given that Naoko Takeuchi didn’t plan all of this out in advance and sorta made stories up as she went, I’m not surprised that there are hiccups and plot holes in the story line.

[tfwiki]

Did all of the guiding hand get made members of the 13/sort of equated to members of the Aligned 13 during the ask Vector Prime stuff?

They did! Well, except for Primus himself. Solomus and Epistemus were established to be members of the “multiversal singularity” version of the Thirteen that now doesn’t exist any more, while Mortilus and Adaptus indicated to be members of the group in one or multiple other universes, after the singularity nature of the Thirteen was shattered, and the membership of the group became fluid. Vector Prime confused Adaptus for Amalgamous Prime in one instance; logical, as in their respective universes they’re responsible for the creation of the transforming cog, and hence the father of transformation.

[neni-has-ascended]

What extra things would you like in an updated P5? You've said you think Akechi's Co-op needs changing, but where could any new stuff fit? It would seem like the only place for anything like a bonus dungeon would be after valentine's day. I feel like *Spoiler Character* could have an s link and a bonus boss.

Yeah, basically, do what P4G did; add a bonus month, remove most of Akechi’s automatic rank-ups (like, leave in the scenes, but don’t have them count as rank-ups anymore), and add the ability to hang out with him after school, giving him a Confidante more similar to Marie’s and Adachi’s Social Links in structure. More hanging out with the guy is really, really desperately needed for his full potential as a character to be realized.

Adding more stuff with the secret waifu(tm) would also be very appreciated, as I love her design and was sad at how underutilized it was. If you could somehow make an Aeon Social Link out of her (She’d even fit the Arcana, since she symbolizes Judgment just as much as Sae does, albeit in a different way), that’d be especially great.

More closure to the issue of the moral ambiguity of what the Phantom Thieves did would be amazing, since the game kinda just dropped that plot thread like a hot potato after bringing it up, simply painting all villains as so irredeemably terrible that the issue seemed like a moot point. I mean, it’s briefly touched on in the final dungeon again, but it just wasn’t enough. A bonus dungeon to resolve the issue of that, by having the party members be forced to face the moral problems with what they did (while still coming out with no regrets and a feeling of empowerment), while also addressing the duality of the protagonist’s own personality (which I find incredibly fascinating) would add a LOT to the game.

In fact, most of this could even tie together: The dungeon could be a trial given by our secret waifu (with her as a boss in the end), given by her out of her need to clear up her last remaining doubts regarding your and your party’s true motivations (which could be the theme of the Aeon Social Link... her wanting to trust you, but also feeling the need to judge you still), and the party members could be faced with P2-esque visions inside it for Mini-bosses.... (With each Mini-boss you defeat granting one of your characters a third tier Persona, granted they already have their second tier Persona.)

 Actually, I’m loving this idea, now I really hope they do something like this. ^^;

The mini-bosses represent the heavenly virtues, all mirror previous bosses of the game in some way without being an actually being the same boss again, and have to be fought with only the protagonist + one other party member, depending on which miniboss you’re fighting, and the music for the miniboss fights is a Velvet Room-style remix of “Rivers in Desert” and the music for the boss is a new song with riffs from “Aria of the Soul” and somebody stop me, I am liking this all WAAAY too much...

(Also: ADD MORE SCENES OF THE CHARACTERS JUST BEING TEENAGERS TOGETHER, GOSHDARN IT. THAT WAS WHAT MADE P3P, P4 and PQ SO FUN!)

[neni-has-ascended]

I got spoiled on the traitor's identity months ago but even as things are in the playthrough I'm watching it's pretty clear who it is if you know they're going to join, I feel like it could have been better hidden. Unrelated to that, do you think Theodore should have been available to the male MC in P3P?

Actually, I was more confused as to why Elizabeth was available for the FeMC! While it made for some really cute scenes, the Velvet Room Attendants are very clearly supposed to represent the guest’s Anima/Animus, which is why Theodore exists in first place; they need to be the opposite sex and gender of the protagonist to make sense in the Jungian context. Honestly, Elizabeth being available for FeMC raises so many question I am sure were never intended to be raised. 

[neni-has-ascended]

Do you think Q could have had other characters as DLC without story presence (I'm particularly thinking FemC and Adachi.) And on a different topic in IS I've never quite understood Jun's position. He seems to have it out for Tatsuya more than the other two. Is he conflating him with Sudou somehow?

The thing is, Chronos summoned only Persona Users who he believed fit to calm Niko’s spirit into the rift, so I doubt Adachi would qualify. However, a DLC with FeMC I can imagine, though that would make the timeline even more confusing as it already is and would potentially case jumbled memories in the P3 characters (and since, as P2 and PQ show, the memories of Persona Users are quite powerful, that could potentially make the situation even worse, so it might be better to not touch onto that after all.) Though, having an AU of PQ with FeMC would definitely have been possible. Fun fact, I actually do have a headcanon that Chronos actually went through several groups of Persona Users (and wiped their memories each time) before he wiped his own memories (fully becoming Zen) and summoned the final group (P3&P4) that ended up freeing Niko’s spirit. In my head, there’s an entire interlude story, where the P1 and P2 casts ended up in the rift as well, with somewhat different dungeons, where they failed at calming Niko’s spirit but succeeded at sealing away the more aggressive half of Chronos when things escalated, and Rei’s cardigan was actually a gift from Lisa... stuff like that.

Oh, and talk about a segway, while we’re at P2 stuff, you’re other question: From how I remember it, Jun ended up blaming Maya’s “death” on Tatsuya because 

a) In their Featherman games as children, Tatsuya always played the Red Ranger and, thus, was the leader, so if he’d spoken up sooner, he could have prevented Lisa and Eikichi from locking Maya in the shrine.

and

b) Tatsuya eventually ended up locked into the shrine with Maya (because he *did* speak up against Lisa’s plan in the end), however, when the shrine burned down Maya went missing (the children presumed her dead) while Tatsuya survived with a stab-wound. 

As I see it, Jun was projecting the responsibility for Maya’s “death” onto Tatsuya because not only did he have the deepest emotional bond to Tatsuya out of the kids, meaning he felt the most betrayed by him; he also still remembered him as the leader AND as the last person who was with Maya before she “died”, so in the mind of his child-self (he was a really young kid at the time) Tatsuya became the most obvious scapegoat needed in order to distract Jun from his own guilt for not stopping Lisa and Eikichi.

However, it’s been a while since I played P2. I might be missing something here. If I do, please tell me. 

[neni-has-ascended]

Have you any advice on getting fool cards in innocent sin? Advice I see seems contradictory. Sorry to bother you.

Friend, you are talking to someone who played through all of Innocent Sin without ever fusing anything more complex than a Pixie. :’D I’m afraid you’re at the wrong address here.

However, I think this thread may be of help to you:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/611279-shin-megami-tensei-persona-2-innocent-sin/60405132

Good Luck!

[stevetbqh]

I mean, the one actual 48 girl might not be Sakura....

She’s the only one the kpop fans know besides MAYBE Jurina