A recent example: I was watching a clip of two people debating a historical topic which is widely discussed in the secondary literature. Entire articles and books have been written about it, and instead of actually engaging with the topic seriously, one of them literally goes to the wikipedia page for it and starts reading it. The other person has never heard of the topic, so they can do nothing but try to deflect. So this was considered an EPIC WIN AND TAKEDOWN for the wiki reader. Is this serious? Is this how you obtain knowledge? Is this how you effect actual political understanding in people?