The Real MSPA Reader

Literally 99% Fandom, 1% Asshole Please just ask me anything it'll really brighten up my day. I'm older than 18 if that bugs you.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

The threats are losing your job.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have the right to a job at company X, if you do not meet their requirements for employment (Provided said requirements are within legal bounds).

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

It’s still threats.

[punished-ghost-of-tamale]

What they fail to grasp it's the sheer amount of this happening in other aspectsof society. You can't shop for food, cloths, get gas or work. if you don't get Vax or mask up. Sure they ain't forcing your hand directly but indirectly they are telling you to starve and die if you don't play along.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Oh no, how dare anyone require you to... put on a fucking mask? Really? That’s the end of the world to you?

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Google does, which is sourced from Oxford Languages.

You don’t have to work for the government, though. By your definition of coercion, I’m being coerced to wear pants to work. If I want to wear shorts, that should be my right, correct? Even if there are very good reasons to require pants, like health and safety.

I’m not fucking my bosses. I’m sure as hell not fucking the government  (Even if I do, at times, feel fucked over by them). Vaccines aren’t anything like sex. This is such a weird fucking analogy.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Apparently, they replied and then, clearly confident in their arguments - blocked me. Lmao.

[ricwulf-again]

Nah, you’re just a spastic and I’m not going to engage with someone who thinks “lol, nobody is forcing you” is an argument despite the mountains upon mountains of force. 

What’s disgusting is that there is a good chance you’re abusive with the way you justify the use of force like you do.

[ultramaga]

the-real-mspa-reader is this you persuading someone to give you money?

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to get vaxxed. What an overdramatic reaction.

[tendie-defender]

[hominishostilis-enhanced]

Imagine watching this footage of cops literally beating the shit out of people for existing in public without permission, and then trying to spin those people as “immoral whiners” because it’s totally not a human rights violation you guys WHADDABOUT DUH COOF!?

Get fucked loser

[siryouarebeingmocked]

It's absolutely amazing how many BLM supporters and ACAB folks superglue their tongue firmly to the boot when the cops go after anti-lockdown/mandate protesters.

I also like how Skoil had an entire stereotype queued up for their "guess", which is just a personal attack that's a frantic attempt to change the subject.

[ricwulf-again]

>footage of state thugs assaulting protestors >audio over the top talking about creeping authoritarianism and fascism "i BeT yOu'Re JuSt An AnTiVaXxEr!!!!!!" The more these retards run their mouth, the more totalitarianism against their stupid asses sounds enticing.

[shadewriter13]

I’m someone that got the shot. And 2 boosters.

And I think the above crack downs, beatings and police brutality is unneeded, bullshit, and really some people should be losing badges or going to jail for it(and it’s not the protesters).

Even if everyone got the shot and we were all hunky dory and everything is gonna be fine with 2 more booster shots in us...., why the fuck would governments back pedal on the powers they gave themselves and the crack downs above?

Because it’s bad?

Yes. Yes it’s bad. What are you going to do about it? Protest? OH WOW I guess we have another anti vaxxer hate mob going out of control, I guess we better get the billyclubs.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Having a cause doesn't give you permission to break the law. That goes for these chucklefucks as much as Antifa.

[tendie-defender]

When the law is unjust then rebellion is demanded.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

What law is unjust here, exactly?

[tendie-defender]

This video is in Europe they are/were demanding Vax passes, forced vaccinations, losing jobs because you refuse to get vaxed.

Those are unjust.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Forced vaccinations would certainly be unjust, if they were happening, but the first is a public health mandate that is not only legal, but a benefit to society, while the last is not the purview of the government outside of government jobs. (And yes, employers are allowed to require vaccinations, and no, that's not unjust. You can always go work somewhere that doesn't require them)

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

That’s not how that works.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No one is being forcibly injected with vaccines.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

In a way they are. Forced to take an injection or lose their jobs and livelihood. That’s coercion.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

First of all - that's not a forced injection. Second of all, up-to-date vaccinations have always been something that can be required by employers, especially in medical fields.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

Yea, it’s forced. Even in those cases it’s forced.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have to work in the medical field, or for the government. You have the choice to find gainful employment elsewhere, or adhere to the legal employment requirements of your current employer.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

Not now it works, my man.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Do you believe you have the right to a specific job?

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

The threats are losing your job.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have the right to a job at company X, if you do not meet their requirements for employment (Provided said requirements are within legal bounds).

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

It’s still threats.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

The threat of unemployment if you fail to meet company employment standards is neither illegal nor immoral.

[tendie-defender]

[hominishostilis-enhanced]

Imagine watching this footage of cops literally beating the shit out of people for existing in public without permission, and then trying to spin those people as “immoral whiners” because it’s totally not a human rights violation you guys WHADDABOUT DUH COOF!?

Get fucked loser

[siryouarebeingmocked]

It's absolutely amazing how many BLM supporters and ACAB folks superglue their tongue firmly to the boot when the cops go after anti-lockdown/mandate protesters.

I also like how Skoil had an entire stereotype queued up for their "guess", which is just a personal attack that's a frantic attempt to change the subject.

[ricwulf-again]

>footage of state thugs assaulting protestors >audio over the top talking about creeping authoritarianism and fascism "i BeT yOu'Re JuSt An AnTiVaXxEr!!!!!!" The more these retards run their mouth, the more totalitarianism against their stupid asses sounds enticing.

[shadewriter13]

I’m someone that got the shot. And 2 boosters.

And I think the above crack downs, beatings and police brutality is unneeded, bullshit, and really some people should be losing badges or going to jail for it(and it’s not the protesters).

Even if everyone got the shot and we were all hunky dory and everything is gonna be fine with 2 more booster shots in us...., why the fuck would governments back pedal on the powers they gave themselves and the crack downs above?

Because it’s bad?

Yes. Yes it’s bad. What are you going to do about it? Protest? OH WOW I guess we have another anti vaxxer hate mob going out of control, I guess we better get the billyclubs.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Having a cause doesn't give you permission to break the law. That goes for these chucklefucks as much as Antifa.

[tendie-defender]

When the law is unjust then rebellion is demanded.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

What law is unjust here, exactly?

[tendie-defender]

This video is in Europe they are/were demanding Vax passes, forced vaccinations, losing jobs because you refuse to get vaxed.

Those are unjust.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Forced vaccinations would certainly be unjust, if they were happening, but the first is a public health mandate that is not only legal, but a benefit to society, while the last is not the purview of the government outside of government jobs. (And yes, employers are allowed to require vaccinations, and no, that's not unjust. You can always go work somewhere that doesn't require them)

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

That’s not how that works.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No one is being forcibly injected with vaccines.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

In a way they are. Forced to take an injection or lose their jobs and livelihood. That’s coercion.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

First of all - that's not a forced injection. Second of all, up-to-date vaccinations have always been something that can be required by employers, especially in medical fields.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

Yea, it’s forced. Even in those cases it’s forced.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have to work in the medical field, or for the government. You have the choice to find gainful employment elsewhere, or adhere to the legal employment requirements of your current employer.

[antelopian]

Tell me you've never been working class without telling me you've never been working class

"having a good cause doesn't mean you should break the law"

Does this guy know what resisting the government even IS?

"being forced to get a jab or lose your livelihood isn't being forced"

Clown Alarm🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Stop deepthroating the Boot, worshipping the pedophilic elite won't get you anywhere

"hurr durr no one's holding you down and physically injecting you by force so you're not being coerced, I'm so smart. Don't mind the cops beating civilians haha"

[the-real-mspa-reader]

I work in hospitality. Stop assuming, it just makes you look like an ass.

Breaking the law is, surprise, illegal. I agree that there are causes worth demonstrating for, but it’s generally possible to do so in a way that is legal. Furthermore, there are certainly causes worth breaking the law for (Though I don’t think this is one of them), knowingly doing so does invite the consequence of breaking the law.

You don’t have the right to work for the government. You’re calling me a bootlicker, and yet you’re demanding... that you be allowed to work for the government?

But wait, you used a clown emoji and some shit insults - how am I ever to combat such debate prowess?

[antelopian]

You base your morality on what a governing entity declares illegal. I have nothing else to say to you.

And you are downsizing all the government overreach and fascist power grabs as "being allowed to work for the government"

Shame on you. You disgust me. 'i work in hospitality'. Yeah you're a clown.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Oh no, how dare I... want doctors and nurses to have up-to-date vaccinations? This is what passes as monstrous these days? Good grief.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Google does, which is sourced from Oxford Languages.

You don’t have to work for the government, though. By your definition of coercion, I’m being coerced to wear pants to work. If I want to wear shorts, that should be my right, correct? Even if there are very good reasons to require pants, like health and safety.

I’m not fucking my bosses. I’m sure as hell not fucking the government  (Even if I do, at times, feel fucked over by them). Vaccines aren’t anything like sex. This is such a weird fucking analogy.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Apparently, they replied and then, clearly confident in their arguments - blocked me. Lmao.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Ooh boy, they’re still replying despite still having me blocked. I’m sure what passes for intellectual arguments in your pea of a brain is so incredibly persuasive that you felt the need to protect yourself from seeing any replies to it.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[hominis-eternal]

Oh good, vaxxoids are recycling the old “You just want a haircut!!” arguments from two years ago so they don’t have to admit people are being unpersoned from society with forced medical procedures

Little shits said the same thing even when “haircut” became “go buy food at the grocery store” and then became “you must show papers to have a job” and finally “police come to your house and take you to a camp”

They always have to mitigate it down to a mere inconvenience because they already know that if they weren’t such a good obeyer, they’d hate having these things done to them

It’s fucking embarrassing watching these idiots twist themselves into knots in order to justify this shit, they literally can’t admit it’s wrong because it’s been so long now that it means admitting they’re complicit.

[uncle-cazador]

No one sent a bunch of kids to a stadoum in Australia and forcifully injected them against their will

No one is rounding up first nations people in Canada and forcifully injecting them against their will

No one is grabbing disabled people on the street in America and forcifully injecting them against their will

No one is being fired en masse in France & Italy for not being vaccinated

Prisoners across the globe arent being forcifully vaccinated against their will

Parents arent jabbing their perfectly healthy kids for no god damned reason

Must be nice living in your delusional world OP

[the-real-mspa-reader]

So, the first three aren’t actually happening. The fourth is not only legal, but fine. Employers are allowed to require up-to-date vaccinations, and people don’t have the right to work at specific companies. The unfortunate truth of incarceration is that prisoners lose many rights, it’s true, including medical ones, and oversight is extremely important.

Finally, if parents are getting their kids vaccinated, that’s a good thing. Bravo to them.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[anamericangirl]

So, like, not having an “immutable right” to go bowling means it’s okay for government or anyone else to take away your freedom to choose to go bowling if you don’t comply with their demands?

By that logic there was nothing wrong with 1930’s Germany banning Jews from partaking in everyday actives. People don’t have an immutable right to go shopping or get their hair done.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

The governments of the world regularly take away your freedom to go bowling.

It’s called imprisonment. If you don’t follow the law, you don’t get the freedoms it allows.

If you don’t like the idea that government can and will decide which rights you have, go somewhere without it.

[anamericangirl]

You go to prison if you commit a crime. You don't just get imprisoned and your freedoms taken away on a whim.

You have a very egregious misunderstanding of governments and rights.

Government absolutely does not decide what rights you have. You have certain rights regardless what the government says about it.

I don't know if you've ever heard of the Constitution but it's a very important document that limits the power of the United States government. It makes it very clear that the government is not allowed to make laws or mandate things that violate personal freedoms or civil rights.

When you commit a crime, you forfeit your freedom and certain rights. That's why you go to prison. But the government can not make a rule or law that violates your rights just by its existence. They are not allowed to tell you what health decisions you must make and punish you if you don't make that decision.

But it's nice to know you value government rules far more than human rights. You probably would have supported Hitler if you'd been around during WWII because Hitler wasn't breaking any laws. He made the laws and he was in charge of the government so it was all good, right? People who fought against his laws deserved what happened to them because they weren't following the government rules, right? Everything would have been fine if everyone had just complied. After all, the government decides what rights people do and do not have so if Hitler decided Jews didn't have certain rights then I guess there was nothing wrong with his treatment of those people because he can't violate rights if they don't exist.

Do you think laws can be unjust? Do you literally believe the government gives and takes away rights? And do you believe people who break laws, no matter how unjust the law, deserve punishment? You think it's really as simple as "just follow the law. If you don't like it go somewhere without it."?

[the-real-mspa-reader]

>I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the constitution

Two things. a) Most of the world isn’t American.

b) The constitution does not, in fact, guarantee your right to go bowling.

>government is not allowed to make laws or mandate things that violate personal freedoms or civil rights

Then challenge the mandates in court. Should be easy, if it’s so clear cut, right?

>They are not allowed to tell you what health decisions you must make

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine.

>You probably would have supported Hitler

Nope.

>Do you think laws can be unjust?

Yep.

>Do you literally believe the government gives and takes away rights?

Yep. Because they do.

>And do you believe people who break laws, no matter how unjust the law, deserve punishment?

That depends. I consider anti-lgbt laws disgusting, and obviously support lgbt people living in countries that have them. On the other hand, I consider health mandates a good idea. Laws aren’t unjust simply because you don’t like them. Otherwise, every law should be considered unjust, since every law is disliked by someone.

>You think it’s really as simple as “just follow the law. If you don’t like it go somewhere without it”

For 1st world countries? Absolutely.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

The threats are losing your job.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have the right to a job at company X, if you do not meet their requirements for employment (Provided said requirements are within legal bounds).

[antelopian]

*50s white man voice*

"it's legal for me to require applicants not be black. Therefore, you do not meet the requirements for employment. This is legal, therefore it's moral and correct. You also can't protest about it. Just follow the law and use your designated water fountain."

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Health mandates are, in this case, both legal AND moral. The public good outweighs the private.

And before you out yourself as a white supremacist, no, discrimination against black people is not in the interest of the public good.

[tendie-defender]

[hominishostilis-enhanced]

Imagine watching this footage of cops literally beating the shit out of people for existing in public without permission, and then trying to spin those people as “immoral whiners” because it’s totally not a human rights violation you guys WHADDABOUT DUH COOF!?

Get fucked loser

[siryouarebeingmocked]

It's absolutely amazing how many BLM supporters and ACAB folks superglue their tongue firmly to the boot when the cops go after anti-lockdown/mandate protesters.

I also like how Skoil had an entire stereotype queued up for their "guess", which is just a personal attack that's a frantic attempt to change the subject.

[ricwulf-again]

>footage of state thugs assaulting protestors >audio over the top talking about creeping authoritarianism and fascism "i BeT yOu'Re JuSt An AnTiVaXxEr!!!!!!" The more these retards run their mouth, the more totalitarianism against their stupid asses sounds enticing.

[shadewriter13]

I’m someone that got the shot. And 2 boosters.

And I think the above crack downs, beatings and police brutality is unneeded, bullshit, and really some people should be losing badges or going to jail for it(and it’s not the protesters).

Even if everyone got the shot and we were all hunky dory and everything is gonna be fine with 2 more booster shots in us...., why the fuck would governments back pedal on the powers they gave themselves and the crack downs above?

Because it’s bad?

Yes. Yes it’s bad. What are you going to do about it? Protest? OH WOW I guess we have another anti vaxxer hate mob going out of control, I guess we better get the billyclubs.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Having a cause doesn't give you permission to break the law. That goes for these chucklefucks as much as Antifa.

[tendie-defender]

When the law is unjust then rebellion is demanded.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

What law is unjust here, exactly?

[tendie-defender]

This video is in Europe they are/were demanding Vax passes, forced vaccinations, losing jobs because you refuse to get vaxed.

Those are unjust.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Forced vaccinations would certainly be unjust, if they were happening, but the first is a public health mandate that is not only legal, but a benefit to society, while the last is not the purview of the government outside of government jobs. (And yes, employers are allowed to require vaccinations, and no, that's not unjust. You can always go work somewhere that doesn't require them)

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

That’s not how that works.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No one is being forcibly injected with vaccines.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

In a way they are. Forced to take an injection or lose their jobs and livelihood. That’s coercion.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

First of all - that's not a forced injection. Second of all, up-to-date vaccinations have always been something that can be required by employers, especially in medical fields.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

Yea, it’s forced. Even in those cases it’s forced.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have to work in the medical field, or for the government. You have the choice to find gainful employment elsewhere, or adhere to the legal employment requirements of your current employer.

[antelopian]

Tell me you've never been working class without telling me you've never been working class

"having a good cause doesn't mean you should break the law"

Does this guy know what resisting the government even IS?

"being forced to get a jab or lose your livelihood isn't being forced"

Clown Alarm🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Stop deepthroating the Boot, worshipping the pedophilic elite won't get you anywhere

"hurr durr no one's holding you down and physically injecting you by force so you're not being coerced, I'm so smart. Don't mind the cops beating civilians haha"

[the-real-mspa-reader]

I work in hospitality. Stop assuming, it just makes you look like an ass.

Breaking the law is, surprise, illegal. I agree that there are causes worth demonstrating for, but it’s generally possible to do so in a way that is legal. Furthermore, there are certainly causes worth breaking the law for (Though I don’t think this is one of them), knowingly doing so does invite the consequence of breaking the law.

You don’t have the right to work for the government. You’re calling me a bootlicker, and yet you’re demanding... that you be allowed to work for the government?

But wait, you used a clown emoji and some shit insults - how am I ever to combat such debate prowess?

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

So you’re a waiter.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

And once again, you’re assuming. Remember what I said about looking like an ass?

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[anamericangirl]

So, like, not having an “immutable right” to go bowling means it’s okay for government or anyone else to take away your freedom to choose to go bowling if you don’t comply with their demands?

By that logic there was nothing wrong with 1930’s Germany banning Jews from partaking in everyday actives. People don’t have an immutable right to go shopping or get their hair done.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

The governments of the world regularly take away your freedom to go bowling.

It’s called imprisonment. If you don’t follow the law, you don’t get the freedoms it allows.

If you don’t like the idea that government can and will decide which rights you have, go somewhere without it.

[anamericangirl]

You go to prison if you commit a crime. You don't just get imprisoned and your freedoms taken away on a whim.

You have a very egregious misunderstanding of governments and rights.

Government absolutely does not decide what rights you have. You have certain rights regardless what the government says about it.

I don't know if you've ever heard of the Constitution but it's a very important document that limits the power of the United States government. It makes it very clear that the government is not allowed to make laws or mandate things that violate personal freedoms or civil rights.

When you commit a crime, you forfeit your freedom and certain rights. That's why you go to prison. But the government can not make a rule or law that violates your rights just by its existence. They are not allowed to tell you what health decisions you must make and punish you if you don't make that decision.

But it's nice to know you value government rules far more than human rights. You probably would have supported Hitler if you'd been around during WWII because Hitler wasn't breaking any laws. He made the laws and he was in charge of the government so it was all good, right? People who fought against his laws deserved what happened to them because they weren't following the government rules, right? Everything would have been fine if everyone had just complied. After all, the government decides what rights people do and do not have so if Hitler decided Jews didn't have certain rights then I guess there was nothing wrong with his treatment of those people because he can't violate rights if they don't exist.

Do you think laws can be unjust? Do you literally believe the government gives and takes away rights? And do you believe people who break laws, no matter how unjust the law, deserve punishment? You think it's really as simple as "just follow the law. If you don't like it go somewhere without it."?

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I know OP isn’t one, but I gotta wonder about the overlap between the sort of leftists who say “basic necessities like food, water, and housing shouldn’t be held hostage unless you work” and the ones who say “lol, it’s just a vaccine. It’s no big deal. Just take the shot so you can work, ya baby, nobody’s forcing you.”

[giographixnola]

My right to go bowling is 100% immutable.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No. It’s not.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[anamericangirl]

So, like, not having an “immutable right” to go bowling means it’s okay for government or anyone else to take away your freedom to choose to go bowling if you don’t comply with their demands?

By that logic there was nothing wrong with 1930’s Germany banning Jews from partaking in everyday actives. People don’t have an immutable right to go shopping or get their hair done.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

The governments of the world regularly take away your freedom to go bowling.

It’s called imprisonment. If you don’t follow the law, you don’t get the freedoms it allows.

If you don’t like the idea that government can and will decide which rights you have, go somewhere without it.

[durkin105]

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Oh no, someone called me a bootlicker! whatever am I going to do?

Come back when you have an actual argument.

[tendie-defender]

[hominishostilis-enhanced]

Imagine watching this footage of cops literally beating the shit out of people for existing in public without permission, and then trying to spin those people as “immoral whiners” because it’s totally not a human rights violation you guys WHADDABOUT DUH COOF!?

Get fucked loser

[siryouarebeingmocked]

It's absolutely amazing how many BLM supporters and ACAB folks superglue their tongue firmly to the boot when the cops go after anti-lockdown/mandate protesters.

I also like how Skoil had an entire stereotype queued up for their "guess", which is just a personal attack that's a frantic attempt to change the subject.

[ricwulf-again]

>footage of state thugs assaulting protestors >audio over the top talking about creeping authoritarianism and fascism "i BeT yOu'Re JuSt An AnTiVaXxEr!!!!!!" The more these retards run their mouth, the more totalitarianism against their stupid asses sounds enticing.

[shadewriter13]

I’m someone that got the shot. And 2 boosters.

And I think the above crack downs, beatings and police brutality is unneeded, bullshit, and really some people should be losing badges or going to jail for it(and it’s not the protesters).

Even if everyone got the shot and we were all hunky dory and everything is gonna be fine with 2 more booster shots in us...., why the fuck would governments back pedal on the powers they gave themselves and the crack downs above?

Because it’s bad?

Yes. Yes it’s bad. What are you going to do about it? Protest? OH WOW I guess we have another anti vaxxer hate mob going out of control, I guess we better get the billyclubs.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Having a cause doesn't give you permission to break the law. That goes for these chucklefucks as much as Antifa.

[tendie-defender]

When the law is unjust then rebellion is demanded.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

What law is unjust here, exactly?

[tendie-defender]

This video is in Europe they are/were demanding Vax passes, forced vaccinations, losing jobs because you refuse to get vaxed.

Those are unjust.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Forced vaccinations would certainly be unjust, if they were happening, but the first is a public health mandate that is not only legal, but a benefit to society, while the last is not the purview of the government outside of government jobs. (And yes, employers are allowed to require vaccinations, and no, that's not unjust. You can always go work somewhere that doesn't require them)

[ricwulf-again]

>mandates aren't a use of force It's literally the use of coercion, which can only be done by the application of force. If you cannot understand this, you are too stupid to be having this conversation. The fact you've already got two boosters proves that to be a fact though.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No one is forcing you to go to the movie theatre, though.

[durkin105]

No one is forcing you to speak. Shut the fuck up or get shot. This isnt the use of force because you can shut the fuck up.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

I have a right to free speech. It’s against the law to shoot people.

You don’t have the right to go to the movie theatre. It’s not against the law to bar you from doing so.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[theindependentconservative]

My coworker cannot get the vaccine, she cannot get any vaccine, she can’t even get the flu shot.  She has r/r MS.  She is banned from going into the city to meet with her clients.  She has been kicked out of her university because she cannot get the vaccine even though her professors had already offered her distance learning options.

Sure - no one’s forcing her.  She just can’t forward her career or education under threat of arrest.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

I’m sorry for your friend, and the system shouldn’t be preventing people with legitimate medical exemptions from going about their lives.

Most people do not have legitimate medical exemptions.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Google does, which is sourced from Oxford Languages.

You don’t have to work for the government, though. By your definition of coercion, I’m being coerced to wear pants to work. If I want to wear shorts, that should be my right, correct? Even if there are very good reasons to require pants, like health and safety.

I’m not fucking my bosses. I’m sure as hell not fucking the government  (Even if I do, at times, feel fucked over by them). Vaccines aren’t anything like sex. This is such a weird fucking analogy.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Apparently, they replied and then, clearly confident in their arguments - blocked me. Lmao.

[tendie-defender]

[hominishostilis-enhanced]

Imagine watching this footage of cops literally beating the shit out of people for existing in public without permission, and then trying to spin those people as “immoral whiners” because it’s totally not a human rights violation you guys WHADDABOUT DUH COOF!?

Get fucked loser

[siryouarebeingmocked]

It's absolutely amazing how many BLM supporters and ACAB folks superglue their tongue firmly to the boot when the cops go after anti-lockdown/mandate protesters.

I also like how Skoil had an entire stereotype queued up for their "guess", which is just a personal attack that's a frantic attempt to change the subject.

[ricwulf-again]

>footage of state thugs assaulting protestors >audio over the top talking about creeping authoritarianism and fascism "i BeT yOu'Re JuSt An AnTiVaXxEr!!!!!!" The more these retards run their mouth, the more totalitarianism against their stupid asses sounds enticing.

[shadewriter13]

I’m someone that got the shot. And 2 boosters.

And I think the above crack downs, beatings and police brutality is unneeded, bullshit, and really some people should be losing badges or going to jail for it(and it’s not the protesters).

Even if everyone got the shot and we were all hunky dory and everything is gonna be fine with 2 more booster shots in us...., why the fuck would governments back pedal on the powers they gave themselves and the crack downs above?

Because it’s bad?

Yes. Yes it’s bad. What are you going to do about it? Protest? OH WOW I guess we have another anti vaxxer hate mob going out of control, I guess we better get the billyclubs.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Having a cause doesn't give you permission to break the law. That goes for these chucklefucks as much as Antifa.

[tendie-defender]

When the law is unjust then rebellion is demanded.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

What law is unjust here, exactly?

[tendie-defender]

This video is in Europe they are/were demanding Vax passes, forced vaccinations, losing jobs because you refuse to get vaxed.

Those are unjust.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Forced vaccinations would certainly be unjust, if they were happening, but the first is a public health mandate that is not only legal, but a benefit to society, while the last is not the purview of the government outside of government jobs. (And yes, employers are allowed to require vaccinations, and no, that's not unjust. You can always go work somewhere that doesn't require them)

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

That’s not how that works.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

No one is being forcibly injected with vaccines.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

In a way they are. Forced to take an injection or lose their jobs and livelihood. That’s coercion.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

First of all - that's not a forced injection. Second of all, up-to-date vaccinations have always been something that can be required by employers, especially in medical fields.

[officialmacgyver3-deactivated20]

Yea, it’s forced. Even in those cases it’s forced.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

You do not have to work in the medical field, or for the government. You have the choice to find gainful employment elsewhere, or adhere to the legal employment requirements of your current employer.

[antelopian]

Tell me you've never been working class without telling me you've never been working class

"having a good cause doesn't mean you should break the law"

Does this guy know what resisting the government even IS?

"being forced to get a jab or lose your livelihood isn't being forced"

Clown Alarm🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Stop deepthroating the Boot, worshipping the pedophilic elite won't get you anywhere

"hurr durr no one's holding you down and physically injecting you by force so you're not being coerced, I'm so smart. Don't mind the cops beating civilians haha"

[the-real-mspa-reader]

I work in hospitality. Stop assuming, it just makes you look like an ass.

Breaking the law is, surprise, illegal. I agree that there are causes worth demonstrating for, but it’s generally possible to do so in a way that is legal. Furthermore, there are certainly causes worth breaking the law for (Though I don’t think this is one of them), knowingly doing so does invite the consequence of breaking the law.

You don’t have the right to work for the government. You’re calling me a bootlicker, and yet you’re demanding... that you be allowed to work for the government?

But wait, you used a clown emoji and some shit insults - how am I ever to combat such debate prowess?

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Let's try walking you through this like you're Patrick, okay. Define coerce for me.

No one is forcing you to get a vaccine. You do not have an immutable right to go bowling.

[ricwulf-again]

Stop avoiding the question like a coward. Define coerce.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

co·erce /kōˈərs/ persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

[ricwulf-again]

You’re lying.

No definition uses “persuade”.

Regardless, you seem to agree then that using vaccination as a condition of employment is a threat, right? You can see how there is the clear and looming threat of unemployment as a force against a person, yes? It’s right there. That’s force. That’s coercion. That’s literally forcing people get vaccinated.

If this were a sexual scenario, the vast, vast majority to the point it could safely be said that EVERYONE would call that rape. Yet because it’s an untested vaccine with a lack of liability, you’re fine with the totalitarian nature of it all.

Even when you lie by adding qualifiers that nobody uses, you still end up showing that vaccine mandates are forcing people to get vaccinated against their will.

[anamericangirl]

So, like, not having an “immutable right” to go bowling means it’s okay for government or anyone else to take away your freedom to choose to go bowling if you don’t comply with their demands?

By that logic there was nothing wrong with 1930’s Germany banning Jews from partaking in everyday actives. People don’t have an immutable right to go shopping or get their hair done.

[antelopian]

Freedom and pursuit of happiness don't exist, clearly the only rights we have is to consume product, stay inside, and die

[the-real-mspa-reader]

Ironically enough, assuming you’re from the US by the DoI reference, Freedom and the Pursuit of Happiness are NOT, in fact, inalienable rights.

You do not have an immutable right to access private property, no.

[antelopian]

*keeps your child on my private property without your access against your will, then says "you don't have immutable access to private property :)"*

Sounds like you would've told on the Franks

*"persuades" you to give me money to inject something into you that you disagree with, holding your child as collateral* "it's your choice hahaha"

You're disgusting. Bootlicking trash.

And guess what? I'm vaccinated. I just believe in choice. These people aren't being given a choice. It is coercion, and spitting hairs about grammar doesn't change the reality of the situation. You're not arguing in good faith. You're a smarmy, smug cunt that's fine with the Boot coming down when it's not coming down on you. I have not respect for people like you.

Go defend the corrupt politicians and exploitative corporations somewhere else.

[the-real-mspa-reader]

That’s.... usually kidnapping? Which is illegal? But also, no, you don’t necessarily have the right to access private property just because your child is there. See: Prison, state care, etc.

Which government is holding children hostage unless the parents are vaccinated?

I believe in choice, as well. But choices are not without consequences. You have the right to not take the vaccine, you do not have the right to do so without consequence.