We the people respectfully ask that the State of Michigan bring criminal charges against Jonathan Frost for the murder of Deven Lee Guilford. Please mail, email, or fax your letters to:
Bill Schuette, Attorney General
G. Mennen Williams Building, 7th Floor
525 W. Ottawa St.
Lansing, MI 48913
What follows are some critical questions/concerns about this incident that were gathered from various sources on the net, which demand answers that the public is entitled to.
Supreme court US overrides that (headlight flashing) as freedom of speech. Even if..why pull a person over if you know you’re not gonna write a ticket? You’re proving the stop was pointless. A warning could have been given verbally with no license. This was a fishing trip, and I’m not sure the cop didn’t have his brights on as a police tactic. Which could be construed as entrapment.
It is common practice to flash your lights if the other person’s are too bright…then if they flash back and are even brighter then you know they don’t have their brights on….This Cop was fishing and itching to bust some kid which ended up costing an unarmed child his life.
Saying no to a police officer, and being unarmed, perhaps deserves arrest, but should never cost you your life. A police officer is not a judge, jury, DA or an executioner.
I don’t think it’s conducive to a good relationship between law enforcement and the public.. I mean, I completely understand where LEOs are coming from, but you can’t blame civilians (Americans, especially) for having trouble grasping the whole picture. We’re so focused on independence and individuality that it backfires when you think about authority/compliance/etc. Granted, anyone with a cursory understanding of how society works knows what an interaction with law enforcement means, but I think we grossly overestimate how many civilians actually have that knowledge.
With the lights so bright he (Deven) would have just thought it was just another civilian. He would have flashed his lights cause he cares for other people, trying to prevent a fatal accident. But these bright lights belonged to a cop with a vengeance and a point to prove. I’m a cop dont think I’m wrong.
Frost admitted about his own lights: “I have been flashed a couple of times… They are brighter on that vehicle [Frost’s vehicle] than they are on normal cars.” OK. Case closed. Officer Frost committed the definition of entrapment and completely violated the very meaning of the 4th Amendment in our bill of rights when he used a law (literally against having bright lights) to pull over 3rd vehicle for "flashing” him as a courtesy. That was Frost’s first crime. Frost’s second and worse crime was to instigate a violent conflict with a teenager peacefully and verbally defending his 4th amendment rights because the kid wouldn’t “obey”.
I live in the sticks of Michigan and police can have backup pretty quick here. Why didn’t this officer wait for backup and defuse the situation the right and lawful way?
If the stop was part of a deliberately unjust stop that might be a hook to murder. That’s essentially how the Baltimore cops were charged with murder.
Anyone can buy a fake police badge off the internet. Citizens should ask for proper identification if they get pulled over on a dark, deserted road…
Frost was defensive from the beginning. Why did he automatically assume that Deven flashed his brights b/c he thought frosts brights were on? “I did not have my brights on.” And your point is??? Bottom line, frost was already amped up b/c the other two ppl he pulled over complied without question and he had to let them off the hook. He was looking for a fight, and never thought he would come across a kid who could hold his own pretty decent.
It sounds like the officer was annoyed that people thought he had his bright lights on, pulled over the young man for flashing his brights, and then the officer allowed the situation to escalate to the point of killing the young man.
The Assault on Deven Lee Guilford
There was no reason to pull Deven from his car over a phone call, even if the prosecutor stated that Frost had probable cause because of recent police “bulletin boards” regarding “sovereign citizen associates.” Officer Frost should’ve just told Deven to put the phone down, or to not make a call in the first place if he was so worried about militia coming to get him.
The public should know that this boy was severely beaten, then tasered. Then shot four times in the chest He was shot to the temple. The officer’s camera fell off. This boy was from a very religious family. The boy weighed 145 pounds. He had never even had a ticket before.
…the cop should have sensed that he was agitating the driver, if you are agitating the driver and you have him on the floor you need to be careful what that person may do. You can make demands all you want but ultimately you want to preserve life and avoid a confrontation while safeguarding the public.
Where is the justification for tasing the suspect? He was lying face down! Where was the threat to frost? There was no threat. You don’t taser a suspect who is lying face down.
I think frost tased Deven because he figured he (Deven) wouldn’t get back up to defend himself. The intent to hurt was strong with frost… I saw the video, Deven was on the ground and then frost smacked the phone out of his hand, then the taser. Really? Seems like frost just wanted to hurt a teenager cause he figured there was nothing Deven was gonna do about it…
Did the police investigate the actual damage that frost alleges Deven inflicted on him? Could this have been self inflicted? The time between Deven on the floor and Deven on the cop seem too sudden, and to cause this kind of damage.
What was preventing the officer from asking the child to relax while he called for some backup? What was so important about getting that child’s information at that very moment he felt the need to resort to violence?
No trained cop, should be scared of a defenseless 17 year old kid. HE was obviously many, many feet away when he was shot, which is why there were multiple shots to ensure they land.
Given the circumstances, could frost have made the decision to use other non lethal means to subdue Deven, like mace or even a night stick? Why didn’t frost have these other non lethal options on him? OR did he.
The Cop instigated everything that happened here. The Cop escalated the situation not the scared kid…The cop chose to pull by force the kid out of the car, taze him for no reason, and then shoot an unarmed kid…Sorry that is murder no matter how you look at it.
1st or 2nd degree murder? Was there malice? Did the police officer pull Deven over with any kind of intent to do him harm?
Is this a training issue? I don’t know what could have possibly justified the actions I witnessed in the body cam video. Officers in various European nations seem completely capable of deescalating tense situations without violence or bodily harm to citizenry.
Officer Frosts injuries came from his own weapons recoil. Eaton county should be ashamed for showing a photo that is obviously a recoil injury not caused by Deven. Notice the caption reads caused during altercation…not…caused by Deven.
Gun recoil is what caused frost to lose consciousness NOT anything Deven did. More lies from a peace officer of the law. Not exactly good qualities in a cop. FIRE FIRE FIRE him!
All it takes is one second and the cops will kill you. 7 SHOTS AT CLOSE RANGE IS EXCESSIVE.
I think anyone would be afraid of getting run over on a dark country road. That might’ve been a part of him (Deven) being reluctant to do so.
Frost could have waited, and he did begin the physical altercation, but I fail to see how anyone (without bias) would allow something like this to continue. The result of simply complying to orders notwithstanding, how does an LEO let things escalate like this? My thinking comes from working with/for people with disabilities. I can see this same situation playing out with someone with a TBI/behavioral issue, and stepping back and keeping things cool is way easier/safer/less sad than trying to meet force with force.
My problem with many of these incidents which involve active resistance (bracing, tensing, pulling away), is that the LEOs consistently avoid using strikes.
The officer’s story just doesn’t add up. Service revolver? Gun jammed? I don’t think so. I tend to think the officer had two guns on him, when the semi jammed, he decided to be a cowboy and go for the revolver. Forensic guys need to test the unfired bullet to confirm that it did indeed jam.
People say comply. You have seen what the cops do. They could use non lethal means. You get hit with a rubber bullets and it will take you to your knees. You heard the cop say I shot one…like he (Deven) was a deer. So what if he didn’t comply take him. Wait till back up arrives.I know sometimes they have to shoot if they are dealing with a hardened criminal. But a kid. Most 17 year old boys I could bend them over my knee.
So this kid deserved to be shot and killed over a fist fight with a grown man? If anything that cop should be thrown in jail for the inability to subdue a 150 pound kid.
Were samples of blood, tissue and dna ever collected from the gun Jonathan Frost used to murder Deven?
No investigation like this would be conclusive without frost having to take a series of lie detector tests administered from several outside agencies. The responding officers are also subject to the same scrutiny.
Knowing the make and model of Frost’s gun is EXTREMELY important. If he was using a seven shot revolver, it is impossible for him to have ejected a round and then fired SEVEN shots. Either he was using a pistol and he straight up lied and the prosecutor is letting him get away with it, or he killed this boy in cold blood with an eight shot revolver (which do not jam and unjam easily!!).
Did GLPD officers Schlossberg or Blievernicht or ECSD officer Tietsort at any point clean officer Frost’s firearm in the aftermath to remove traces of blood or other important pieces of evidence? Is there body cam or dash cam footage to confirm this suspicion? Did frost himself clean his own gun to remove traces of blood, dna and tissue knowing the gun would be surrendered as evidence?
Did the investigators question the two motorists who Frost pulled over before he stopped Deven? This is very important because they will tell us in all honesty how he behaved. He must have been annoyed at first, then turned into anger, angry enough to kill this young man.
Why did GLPD officer Schlossberg handcuff Deven instead of checking to see if he was still possibly alive? Did officer Frost make that order or did officer Schlossberg decide to handcuff Deven and “cover him”?
When will pictures of the crime scene be made available to the public?
I think he misspoke that it was a service revolver. When they were talking about the shooting, the sgt. said his gun malfunctioned (in his report not at press release) and then cleared the malfunction and fired again. Leads me to believe he meant service pistol rather than revolver? Also, the malfunction was said to be caused by pushing the pistol into the deceased’s body, which would cause it to be out of battery and therefore not fire.
Maybe it is just terminology but why will it take several weeks to review the case? Several months to investigate?
WHEN GOVERNMENT BREAKS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND AND FORCES EVERY ONE TO COMPLY YOU HAVE NO LAW.FEDERAL RESERVE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.9th AMENDMENT.READ AND DEFINE IT….YOU DON’T KNOW THE LAW….THEY FORCE YOU TO COMPLY BY JAIL OR FINE .THATS COERCION.NOT LAW…HITLER USED THAT LAW TOO. WOULD YOU COMPLY?
257.699 Multiple beam road lighting equipment; requirements and limitations. Sec. 699.
Except as hereinafter provided, the head lamps, or the auxiliary driving lamps, or combinations thereof, on motor vehicles shall be so arranged that selection may be made between distributions of light projected to different elevations, subject to the following requirements and limitations:
(a) Head lamps shall in all cases emit a white light. Auxiliary lamps may emit either a white or amber light.
(b) There shall be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of an intensity as to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 350 feet ahead for all conditions of loading.
© There shall be a lowermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 100 feet ahead; and under any condition of loading none of the high intensity portion of the beam shall be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver.
(d) Every new motor vehicle except motorcycles and mopeds registered in this state which has multiple beam road lighting equipment shall be equipped with a beam indicator, which shall be lighted when the uppermost distribution of light from the head lamps is in use and shall not otherwise be lighted. The indicator shall be so designed and located that when lighted it will be readily visible without glare to the driver of the vehicle so equipped.
So, it would appear, the cop was knowingly violating MCL 257.699© and then pulling cars over when they flashed him.
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