The Chronicles of Ice and Fire

A Love Story

[oadara]

Daenerys & Jon Snow: ASoIaF Foreshadowing v.2

We know that Dany and Jon share many parallels throughout the series and I’ve noted many of them here. But in this post I’m looking at moments that tie the characters together with more than just parallels.

This first quote is from The House of The Undying. The visions shown to Dany here are believed to pertain to the three men she will marry. The first is a clear reference to khal Drogo, the second is a bit more ambiguous, I believe it is in reference to Hizdahr and that Victarion will tie him to the prow of his ship as Euron has tied Aeron (I predicted this back in 2014). The third is clearly Jon Snow. The blue flower is in reference to Lyanna (Jon’s mother) and the wall of ice is The Wall of ice where Jon serves in the Night’s Watch. 

DAENERYS ACOK

Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness… . mother of dragons, bride of fire …

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These quotes make a subtle connection between Dany and Val.  Jon as we know is very attracted to Val. He first describes Val’s hair as pale silver; Dany of course has pale silver hair. In fact it is one of the most distinguishing features about her. So the connection here is that Val is a substitute for Dany. Also, note that the moon is mention, which as we know is strongly connected symbolically to Dany throughout the series, ex. “Moon of my Life”.

JON ADWD

The light of the half-moon turned Vals honey-blond hair a pale silver and left her cheeks as white as snow. She took a deep breath. The air tastes sweet.

DAENERYS AGOT

The old woman washed her long, silver-pale hair and gently combed out the snags, all in silence. The girl scrubbed her back and her feet and told her how lucky she was.

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In these quotes we find a connection between a dream lover of Dany and Jon Snow. In her dream/vision Dany’s lover is a comely young man whose face is hidden in shadows. Jon is described by Ygritte as having a sweet face (comely) and in the two additional quotes below we see Jon describe himself as being in the shadows and we see Mel describe his face as hidden in shadows. These descriptions associate the young lover Dany sees with Jon Snow.

DAENERYS ACOK

Lying abed in her narrow bunk, she found herself wondering how it would be to have a man squeezed in beside her in place of her handmaid, and the thought was more exciting than it should have been. Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow.

JON ASOS

Ygritte helped pull him up. “He’s bleeding like a butchered boar. Look what Orell did t’ his sweet face.”

JON AGOT

Tyrion Lannister had claimed that most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it, but Jon was done with denials. He was who he was; Jon Snow, bastard and oathbreaker, motherless, friendless, and damned. For the rest of his life –however long that might be– he would be condemned to be an outsider, the silent man standing in the shadows who dares not speak his true name

MELISANDRE ADWD

The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half-seen behind a fluttering curtain.

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This pair of quotes make an interesting connection between Jon Snow and khal Drogo (the man Dany has loved the most). Dany describes the khal’s face as hiding the thoughts within, while Tyrion describes Jon’s face as giving nothing away (hiding his thoughts).

Like the quote above where Jon describes Val’s hair in the same way as Dany’s hair is described, we see Dany describe Drogo in the same manner as Tyrion describes Jon. Making a connection between Jon to Dany and Dany to Jon and what they are attracted to and who they love.

DAENERYS V AGOT

“The khals face did not often betray the thoughts within.” TYRION II AGOT

“Tyrion notes that Jon has the traditional Stark face in everything but name long, solemn and guarded a face that gives nothing away.”

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Although the timeline is unclear, Jon was stabbed and presumably killed within the same time that Dany found herself alone in the Dothraki sea. Dany hearing the wolf howl could be the author making a connection between Jon’s death and how Dany would feel about it.

If Dany knew who Jon was to her, his death would be incredibly sad but most importantly it would be lonely. Jon of course is Dany’s last living relative, although she does not know this. That this wolf howl brought such strong emotions to Dany is definitely something of interest.

JON ADWD

“Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. “Ghost,” he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold … “

DAENERYS ADWD

“Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry. As the moon rose above the grasslands, Dany slipped at last into a restless sleep.“ 

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This quote is a lot more obvert then the previous ones. Here Dany is pondering what her life would have been like had her family lived. She considers that had her brother’s son Aegon lived he would have become king. 

The interesting part of course is that goes on to ponder that had “her brother’s son” lived they would have married. We know of course that one of her brother’s son still lives and she very well might marry him after all.

DAENERYS ADWD

“A crown should not sit easy on the head. One of her royal forebears had said that, once. Some Aegon, but which one? Five Aegons had ruled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him. “

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These two quotes work twofold I think. First they note the absolutely yearning that both Dany and Jon have to have a family of their own. This is something that is very important to the two of them. And second, there want of having a child, Jon yearning for a boy and Dany yearning for a girl.

For Jon he believes this has been denied to him by being a bastard (he wouldn’t want to father any other bastards by having children) and also by being a member of the Night’s Watch where he has vowed not to have any children.  And as we know for Dany she believes herself to be barren due in large part to Mirri’s curse/prophecy. This is especially traumatic for Dany as her identity as a mother is very important to her and a large part of who she is.

JON ASOS

“I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall.”

DAENERYS ADWD

“I will never have a little girl. I was the Mother of Dragons.”

~*~*~*~*~

Here the author winks and nods at us as Jon is wishing for the very same thing Dany has, three dragons. 

JON ADWD

“He might as well wish for another thousand men, and maybe a dragon or three.”

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Finally, this pair of quotes is both a parallel and a connection between Dany and Jon. Both find themselves laying next to the person they love/are attracted to, as Jon ponders his lost of Ghost and Dany wakes from her nightmare not even the presence of these people they care about can drive the deep loneliness that they both feel.

This is also important thematically to Dany and Jon’s arc. As mention above they have a deep yearning for family, most specifically a family of their own. Both have always felt isolated to an extent from everyone else and so it seems that we are being told that something is missing for the two of them, and this perhaps is one another.

JON ASOS

Jon wondered where Ghost was now. Had he gone to Castle Black, or was he was running with some wolfpack in the woods? He had no sense of the direwolf, not even in his dreams. It made him feel as if part of himself had been cut off. Even with Ygritte sleeping beside him, he felt alone. 

DAENERYS ADWD

Beneath her coverlets she tossed and turned, dreaming that Hizdahr was kissing her … but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himself inside her, his manhood was cold as ice. She sat up with her hair disheveled and the bedclothes atangle. Her captain slept beside her, yet she was alone.

[winelover1989]

Last Jonerys Chapter Transition in ADWD

The 8th and the last chapter transition for Jonerys ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) is the most crucial for both of their stories and has a very parallel storytelling structure. Jon allows Tormund’s host of Wildlings through the Wall and breaks the news to the Watch. Dany goes to the opening of the fighting pits where Drogon crashes the party. 

Their chapters begin with, Dany with her handmaidens, deciding to leave for the fighting pits despite her feeling for the blood sport and Jon trying to come up with a compromise. 

She would rather have drifted in the fragrant pool all day, eating iced fruit off silver trays and dreaming of a house with a red door, but a queen belongs to her people, not to herself.

Tormund : “Whatever happened to that sweet lad I knew?” They made him lord commander.

Dany takes a long ride with Hizdahr to the fighting pits.   

“Have you ever seen such an auspicious day, my love?” Hizdahr zo Loraq commented when she rejoined him. He helped Dany up onto the palanquin, where two tall thrones stood side by side. “Auspicious for you, perhaps. Less so for those who must die before the sun goes down.” “All men must die,” said Hizdahr

Jon meets Val outside Tormund’s tent. Context : She’s Mance’s sister in law, Stannis’s prisoner after the Wildling battle and the one Stannis offered Jon as a wife to seal the alliance with Wildlings when Jon was offered legitimacy & Winterfell, which he rejects. Similar to Dany’s situation, just as Hizdahr helps her bargain for peace with Harpy sons & Yunkai, Jon allowed Val to go beyond the Wall after Stannis leaves so that she can convince Tormund to bring his host and make peace with Jon. Jon & Val ride back to Castle Black and yet again,Jon makes observations which strongly resonate with Dany. 

Then Ghost emerged from between two trees, with Val beside him. They look as though they belong together. Val was clad all in white; white woolen breeches tucked into high boots of bleached white leather, white bearskin cloak pinned at the shoulder with a carved weirwood face, white tunic with bone fastenings. Her breath was white as well … but her eyes were blue, her long braid the color of dark honey, her cheeks flushed red from the cold. It had been a long while since Jon Snow had seen a sight so lovely. “Have you been trying to steal my wolf?” he asked her.

They are all convinced she is a princess. Val looked the part and rode as if she had been born on horseback. A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her.

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[oadara]

The Silver Heroine Project

After the events of these past six weeks, I’ve come to realize that now more than ever it’s time for women to write our own stories. To create our own heroines, to allow them to be complex, dark, dangerous, powerful, ambitious, and unapologetic. Allow these women to fall and to seek redemption, because really, how many heroines you know have been allowed redemption?

I want to use this anger, resentment, hurt, frustration, whatever it is you are feeling and focus it into something useful, something that can not only help us work our way through these murky waters but to help us create something solid and lasting. I don’t want to just be upset for a moment, just to let it go until the next moment we find ourselves disappointed because we’ve allowed others to tell the stories we want to hear.

With this in mind, I’ve decided to create “The Silver Heroine Project”. What exactly is a Silver Heroine? Symbolically silver is defined as (https://symbolism.fandom.com/wiki/Silver):

“…representative of moon energy and is the balance between black and white. It is the color of the Greek goddess Artemis (Roman aspect: Diana). It is symbolic of purity, strength, clarity, focus, and the feminine energy. In alchemy, silver is one of the noble metals.”

We all know the tropes for female characters and most of them fall either on the light side or the dark side of the archetypes spectrum, but the in-between is a murky area where few heroines are allowed to reside. I think it’s time for the anti-heroine to rise, for the fallen heroine to be redeemed, I think it’s time women stopped being held to different standards. We fight for equality in our everyday lives, it’s time we fought for equality in our stories.

The Silver Heroine Project is a repository of short-stories (or comics, poems, songs, or however you chose to express your story) that will showcase the flawed heroine. I want to collect these stories not only to entertain us but also to inspire us. A place to go back to and remind ourselves that these types of heroines exist and that they are worthy. What I have in mind is for us to create original stories, with original characters whose stories have meaning and whose endings aren’t beholden to the current expectations of what a heroine should be.

So, what am I looking for? I’m looking for volunteers to help with the project and storytellers. I have already created a blog to serve as our “headquarters” for now thesilverheroineproject.tumblr.com. You can write/create your story however you wish, the sky is the limit. I want to clarify that these heroines can appear in any genre:

Thriller

Horror

Mystery

Comedy

Romance

A romantic tale is not a requirement and a male partner isn’t one either. I think our heroines would benefit from a diverse world where sometimes love is part of the journey and sometimes it’s not. However your Silver Heroine appears to you, that’s how you should create her. I will ask that you reflect on the common tropes assigned to female characters and make an effort to break out of those tropes to find a new path for your heroine to walk.

SIlver Heroine Appreciation Week

June 23-29, 2019

To get things started we´ll begin with a challenge!

The Silver Heroine Project will be hosting a week-long appreciation for our beautifully flawed heroines. We are hoping that you’ll join us and participate and will share your creation with all of us. 

With the intention of reaching as many many people as possible, the week will have different prompts for each day so everyone can participate. It can be stories, edits, poems and songs, metas and anything else you can create or come up with.

We’ll be posting the prompts later next week. 

We’ll follow the tag

#silverheroine, #thesilverheroineproject, and #silverheroineappreciation2019. We’ll be reblogging your creations. 

P.S. Thank you to @adecila for being so amazing!!! <3

Would appreciate the signal boost. 

[sheikah]

Do you think Jon and Daenerys will have a healthy relationship?

Hi,anon! Thanks so much for this ask. Yes, I do think their relationship will behealthy, and there are so, so many reasons for it that I’d love to gush abouthere. 

1.      Troubled Pasts

Jon and Dany both had experiencesin their childhoods that shaped their perception of society and other people insimilar ways.

As a bastard Jon was viewed andtreated as inferior at Winterfell during his youth. Despite Ned’s love we cansee that this had a profound effect on Jon’s personality and led to his laterself-doubt and “broody” attitude.

From the beginning of AGoT we seefrom Cat’s treatment of Jon and the fact that he is barred from the high tableat the feast honoring Robert that Ned’s attentive parenting, Robb’s friendship,and Jon’s close, loving relationship with Arya aren’t enough to make him trulyfeel like an equal member of the Stark family.

Similarly, Dany is told by Viserysfrom a young age that they are royalty deserving of a better life. He tellsher about their home and family, but she never gets to experience any of this.Instead she is shuffled around from place to place, never allowed to feelsecure and content in a real home. The only constant in her life is Viserys andhe is abusive.

Things don’t really get better forthem from there. Jon is allowed to go to The Wall and no one aside from Benjeneven attempts to warn him what his life there will be like, and even Benjen’swarning is lukewarm. Tyrion gives him a more realistic picture of what theWatch is but by that point Jon doesn’t want to turn back from his decision.

So as a young man Jon is thrown into a hard life in one of the most unforgiving climates of this universesurrounded by people who resent him for his family name—a family name hedoesn’t actually get to reap the benefits of out in the world. Thorne callinghim “Lord Snow” sets him apart from his brothers and puts a target on his backfrom the beginning. But Jon overcomes this and finds common ground with hisbrothers, starting with Sam, so that he can develop friendships with his newcompanions.

When she is sold to the dothraki,Dany is also an outcast. Physically she sticks out like a sore thumb amongstthe dothraki and she can’t speak a word of their language. She’s a young girland a virgin who is given to an enormous, intimidating brute of a man who rapesher. In spite of this she ingratiates herself to him and the rest of the dothrakito try and make the best of her situation, learning their language and earningthe friendship of her handmaids and the love of her husband.

2.      Similar Worldviews

These experiences gave both Jonand Dany a look at what it is like to be a marginalized person in Planetos.Class discrimination in Jon’s case and misogyny in Dany’s show them both howhard it is to make a place for yourself in the world if the circumstances ofyour birth happen to put you outside the ranks of the privileged nobility.

Because of that they both make ittheir business to help the downtrodden and underprivileged people in theirrespective regions. Jon doesn’t execute Ygritte when ordered to do so,partially because it goes against his sensibilities to behead a woman, but alsobecause he hasn’t fully bought into the prejudices of his society. Andhis relationship with Ygritte allows him to see that the Free Folk are justpeople like him.

So while it’s true that Jon needsthe wildlings in the war against the White Walkers, he also brings them Southto bring them under the protection of The Wall because he believes in equalityand as someone who was treated as less than because of his birth, heunderstands to some extent what it’s like to be a wildling. And supports equaltreatment for them.

Across the world, Dany’sexperiences with the dothraki made her a champion for women in the largelypatriarchal culture in Essos. She tries to defend the women from the shepherdvillage, even though Mirri Maz Duur thinks her efforts are too little, too late.

But when Drogo dies and the strongof his khalasar desert her, Dany is just as happy to have the allegiance of thewomen, children, and elderly who are left to her when the others leave. She wants to care for peoplewho can’t care for themselves, and continues this crusade in the liberation ofthe slave cities.

She was essentially sold to Drogoas a slave and as such she cares deeply about the atrocity of slavery, refusingto sail for Westeros until Ghiscari slavery has been abolished entirely. Shealso liberates the women of the dosh khaleen, who are living in their own sortof slavery under the authority of the khals until Dany frees them.

Jon’s egalitarian views resultedin the men who are supposed to serve and obey him murdering him instead. Dany’ssimilar choices led to her own subjects attempting to murder her.

So we can see that equality andfreedom are important values to both Jon and Dany. And both of them faceddoubts and resistance from not only their enemies but their friends and allies, too, on their quests to improvethe quality of life for the wildlings, the dothraki, and the slaves. 

So in one another, Jon and Dany will finally findanother person who 1. Understands what it is like to be a leader/ruler 2.Understands what it is like to have to make the unpopular decisions and 3. Iswilling to put themselves on the line to help the least fortunate people in theworld.

They also both know when violenceor drastic measures are necessary. We’ve seen Jon execute people against hisown hesitation on the matter, with Janos and then Thorne, Olly, and the othertraitors. This is something he obviously struggled with but he still did itbecause it is what needed to be done. At the same time, we know that Dany hashad to execute people who have challenged her rule, a rule that keeps peopleout of the chains of slavery. She was forced to execute Mossador and make anexample of the former master who she fed to Viserion and Rhaegal, and while Ithink she learned from this mistake later, she crucified the masters for theircrucifixion of the children. So both of them have experience with making thetough choices and facing the consequences.

This is very important for twopeople who are in positions of power when it comes to their relationship. It isessential that they share these values if their relationship is going to work.

3.      Important Differences/Yin and Yang

But I am not here to try and saythat it will all be perfect. Jon and Dany have a lot of differences inpersonality. There is a reason we often look to them as the ice and fire of theseries, besides the obvious reasons of their family names, the cold and hotclimates they hail from, etc.

Dany has the fire, passion, andalso the hot temper. She is impulsive and quick to anger. But her passion alsomeans that she loves deeply and feels happiness just as intensely as she doessadness and rage.

While we have occasionally seenfits of rage from Jon, he is typically more stoic, harder to rile, and moreforgiving.

So when Dany wants to go all “fireand blood,” or when Jon doesn’t want to act rashly when she does, we can counton arguments and disagreements. But any healthy couple has these. No one isgoing to agree 100% of the time, and people often say opposites attract. So Jon’sand Dany’s differences are important, too, because they need to balance eachother out.

When Jon is full of doubt, Dany’ssurety will push him to action. When Dany acts on emotion, Jon can counsel herand make sure action is warranted. It’s like a yin and yang that I think willwork beautifully.

They even look like the yin and yang—Dany with her pale eyes and silver-whitehair, often wearing white and pale pastels, while Jon is every bit the man inblack. They complement one another in every possible way.  

4.         Common Protests

I often see people worry about the incest, but I don’t think we have a real reason to worry about that. As we know, GoT/ASOIAF is set in a fictionalized, fantasy version of medeival Europe where incest was more commonly practiced. But even if that weren’t the case, there is precedent in the series for this kind of incest, and I’m not just talking about Targaryens.

Jon and Dany are nephew and aunt, which is not a particularly close family relation.

In immediate ASOIAF history we see cousin incest that is completely acceptable and not alarming to the family members. Joanna Lannister and Tywin Lannister (Tyrion, Cersei, and Jaime’s parents) were cousins. Rickard Stark and Lyarra Stark (Ned, Brandon, and Lyanna’s parents) were cousins.

Earlier in history Jonnel Stark married his niece Sansa Stark. And Edric Stark married his niece Serena Stark.

In current ASOIAF history Aeron Greyjoy wanted to marry Asha/Yara to her uncle Victarion.

And none of this takes into account the several examples of incest in Targaryen ancestry. Since the Targaryens have strange features and some extra abilities they are not like regular humans and incest does not effect them the way it would normal people so even sibling incest is common for Targaryens (remember Jon and Dany are both Targaryen). It is a misconception that Aerys II represents all modern Targaryens or that all would be mad as he was because of incest.

So I don’t think that this would be an obstacle to Jon’s or Dany’s feelings about the other. If anything they will be elated to have a family to be a part of.

5.      Loneliness

Finally, in spite of how far they’vecome, both Jon and Dany are still lonely and desire companionship. The famousparallel that I see mentioned all the time in the Jonerys fandom comes to mind:

Jon in ASOS:

Jon wondered where Ghost was now.Had he gone to Castle Black, or was he was running with some wolfpack in thewoods? He had no sense of the direwolf, not even in his dreams. It made himfeel as if part of himself had been cut off. Even with Ygritte sleepingbeside him, he felt alone.

Dany in ADWD:

Beneath her coverlets she tossed and turned, dreaming that Hizdahr waskissing her … but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himselfinside her, his manhood was cold as ice. She sat up with her hair disheveledand the bedclothes atangle. Her captain slept beside her, yet she wasalone.

Even with Davos and Tyrion as their respective advisers, even withTormund and Edd and Missandei and Jorah as friends, they still lack somethingthat only they can provide each other—a real partner. Someone who is theirequal and who can understand their struggles and support them. We have seen that both Jon and Dany have the capacity for love, realromantic love, not just marriages of convenience or necessity. And when ithappens, I think it will absolutely be healthy, and as happy as a relationshipcan be in the turmoil they are living through currently.

Lastly, it is something that we can believe GRRM is in favor of too based on the years of foreshadowing, discussed here by @oadara.

Thanks for giving me a reason to talk about my faves, anon :)

[ktwrites]

The Jonerys connection is real. It's always been real.

Jon in ACOK: "Will he (Ghost) howl for me when I'm dead, as Bran's wolf howled when he fell?"

Dany in ADWD: Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry.

[targaryens-restoration]

Jon and Daenerys -Survivors (Paralel scenes)

Jon and Daenerys -Survivors (Paralel scenes)

Guys this is my bigest gift for every Jonerys fans. I was working whole day because I wanted to gift you all happiness.  Happy Weekend Jonerys Family. we are the greatest fandom I know <3  I am so proud of you all <3  This is the bigest chemistry,love and couple in whole tv history. HBO made the bigest love during  years without Dany and Jon’s reunion. this is the greatest work of showrunners,writers and of course genial GRRM. I am very happy how every scenes followed each other How every scenes are inspiration of  each other two dragon who was borne for each other. Just enjoy and be happy.  watching video and subscribe my chanel .  I hope you  alll like it. Thank you 

[ktwrites]

The Jonerys connection is real. It's always been real.

Jon in ACOK: “Will he (Ghost) howl for me when I’m dead, as Bran’s wolf howled when he fell?”

Dany in ADWD: Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry.

[the-stormborn-chronicles]

In honor of the debut of The Stormborn Chronicles Blog I’m hosting a Daenerys Targaryen Giveaway! Woot! Woot!

The last day of the contest is November 24, 2018 until 12:00 pm EST. You’ll have over a month to enter and to increase your entires. At the end of the contest, I will be reblogging with a “contest over” post and any reblogs after that will not count towards the contest.

RULES:

Must be following The Stormborn Chronicle blog (I will verify this). New followers are welcome, but don’t just follow me for the giveaway, that wouldn’t be very nice, would it?

Likes AND reblogs count. However many reblogs you want, but please be kind to your followers.

No giveaway blogs or inactive blogs.

Your askbox must be open so I can contact you. If you don’t reply in 3 days, I’ll pick another winner.

You must be willing to give me your mailing address so I can send you the prize if you win!

PRIZE

You will receive a beautiful and unique blank journal featuring Daenerys’ dragon eggs on the front cover of the journal along with a Daenerys and Drogon bookmarks.

Let’s have some fun and Long May She Reign!

[instantbouquetface-me]

Jon and Dany: Don’t just listen to them, look at them

It occurs to me that the two moments that convinced me that Jon and Daenerys truly love one another (even if they may not fully realize it at that point) are both moments where the words don’t tell us anything of the sort. But what we see visually is enough to convince me.

First for Daenerys, I knew when she reacted in the following manner to Jon’s declaration that he would be going with the expedition: 

If one just looks at the actual wording in the conversation here, it seems like a confrontational moment. It seems like she is trying to forcibly hold him there against his will. But if you look at Dany’s expressions, or listen to her voice, it becomes clear that she’s deeply afraid that Jon will be throwing himself into a dangerous situation and wants to stop that from happening. And it was here that I knew for sure that Dany had lost her heart.

As for Jon, the moment that convinced me that he loved Dany was this:

Why? Because on the face of it, it seems to go against 7 seasons of characterization for Jon Snow. The character we have seen from the very beginning would not push his men behind and rush forward to get rescued himself first (by the way if he were to jump and take her hand, he is more likely to pull her down than her pulling him up; I mean Jon is not very tall but Dany is even smaller, and not extraordinarily strong physically either as far as I know). No, Jon doesn’t rush to her as he is desperate to save himself. What happens here is more primal. He thought he was about to perish here. And suddenly he sees the one he loves and for a moment, all other thoughts abandon him, other than the thought of going to her, of making that connection. And that is reflected in the actions of both of them here. This hardly seems like the best angle for Jon to climb Drogon. Nor is Dany physically in a good situation to pull him up. But this is spontaneous.

I have seen some argue that the fact that Jon turns away after this to fight the wights is somehow foreshadowing that he does not intend to stay with her. Or even (I kid you not) that the reason he turns around and starts fighting again is because he thinks this is the last chance he’ll ever get to make a dash for Night’s King without bending the knee!

To which I can only say… well nothing. It’s hardly deserving of an answer. It simply doesn’t match the character of Jon as we have come to know him. The normal expected course of action for Jon, the one I was expecting to see here, would have been something like the following:

The Dragon comes down and Jon yells “Come on. get on it quick before they get here, I’ll hold them off! Get the Wight!…” etc. and direct the evacuation while fighting off the Wights. It is the Jon of 5x08 (Hardhome) that one would expect to see.

And eventually he does do exactly that. But this rushing to Dany in between is a major aberration for the character we have known for 7 seasons. And for me at least, that was when I knew that he had fallen for her too.

[oadara]

Random Though

I’ve been ruminating about this for a long time now. A few years at least. And just thought I’d share. 

So, a thought that has crossed my mind is the possibility that Targaryens can bond to one another they way they bond to their dragons. And what made me thing about this was not so much the successful parings but the unsuccessful ones. 

I’m thinking specifically the forced parings of Aegon the Unworth and Naerys Targaryen and Aerys II and Rhaella Targaryen. Now, these were really bad parings, most specifically for the females. 

Now, as we know having the ability to bond with a dragons is a very particular thing. If you tried to mount a dragon who did not wish you as his rider, we’ll you’d be dead. So if we could imagine how a forced paring would go, if it could be done, then we could predict it probably wouldn’t go well at all. I guess what I’m saying is that not only were these couples not compatible but because of their dragon blood the problem was compounded and cranked up to 11.  

On the other hand if we use the examples of Jaehaerys I and  his sister Alysanne and Jaehaerys II and his sister Shaera then we see the other side of the coin. For the first Jaehaerys, it was probably an arranged marriage but it ended up becoming a very successful and for the most part very happy marriage. For the second Jaehaerys, he ended marrying his sister in secret against his parents wishes. By all accounts they were also very happy and clearly yearned to be with one another. Which even if they are Targaryen’s it’s peculiarly especially because they weren’t being forced to marry one another as it had been done most times in the past. 

Perhaps when the first Valyrians did whatever they did to bond with the dragons whatever bit of dragon blood they had caused them to bond with each other and then once that happened with time it became tradition. But maybe it was suppose to be more natural? 

Just a super random thought. 

ETA: This wouldn’t be the case for ALL Targaryens. Just like only certain Targaryens were able to bond with dragon this “theory” would only apply to those who had the “je ne sais quoi” which allowed certain Targaryens to bond with dragons. 

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Jordi Maquiavello: THE END of Game of Thrones - Analysis of the theme of Jon and Daenerys - Translated to English

Hey - so I was looking at this video the other day and didn’t see an English translation for it. Thankfully, the video wasn’t very long and so I decided to translated for the non-Spanish speakers.

In the video Jordi discusses the version of “Truth” that Ramin Djawadi presented during his appearance in KCRW. As those of you who have heard the version know, it’s quite different from the original version that appeared in season 7. Jordi believes it contains clues about the fate of Jon and Daenerys in season 8.

TRANSLATION  TO ENGLISH

0:31     Since this appeared about Ramin Djawadi’s appearance in KCRW many of you have asked that I do an analysis of his composition and I think it gives us some important information regarding season 8. If we look back at the theme of “Truth” which appeared in season 7 of Game if Thrones, it was built in phases, just like the romance Jon and Daenerys. This theme became viral and contributed to Ramin’s Djawadi getting a Grammy nomination. By the way Ramin (mumbles something) the nomination.  

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A symbol in Game of Thrones and what it can mean for Jon and Daenerys.

I don’t think I will surprise you when I tell you that Game of Thrones’ makers are dedicated. This dedication for example gave us a very subtle and repeated symbol before our face for years and very few noticed it, not even saying how many went into analysing it.

What symbol am I talking about? Well actually I would use plural here, but they all go back to meaning one thing.

I’m not sure who was given the job to put those symbols in there, as they are taken from ancient art and mathematics, for example these ones:

It’s a Greek Letter Phi, which symbolies The Golden Ratio, which is shown on the right.

So it’s the same thing really, just one has a specific symbol to define it, like we could write 3,14…..or use the Pi symbol. And they reveal a hidden link between two obvious characters and foreshadows their fate.

I want to explain what those two mean before showing them used in the show. D&D obviously never directly explained any of it, but they had suggested that its meaning agrees with the mathemathical meaning. They said that “we see the creation of absolute evil, (referring to the Night King), but since we can see its creation, it isn’t really absolute”,  Golden Ratio is all about proportions, which you can see in the pic up there. It is often called the Magic Ratio or Divine Proportion. So if Night King is a part of this and represents evil and those symbols being about proportions and balance, who is the good to balance the evil in the story?

These two symbols are shown in different ways on the show.

 They can use the Phi Symbol inself:

 Season 1 Episode 1 with bodies that later become the wights, spread in a weird pattern, the first time we see them, we are shown this symbol right before:

Or Season One Episode 10 when Daenerys Targaryen burns Khal Drogo’s body, setting the pyre rather strangely.

And then we see her in the middle of it.

With the spiral pattern, that means Golden Ratio.

In Season 3 Episode 3, when we see the dead horses, cleary the White Walkers’ doing with Jon Snow being the one in the middle, his companions a bit to right.

And obviously in Season 6 we see those two shots.

Connecting us to the creation of The White Walkers - the evil

Before that we’re shown these two:

Dany in the middle of a circle, which are connecte both to the Phi and Golden Ratio.

And in the middle of a spiral:

Did you ever wonder why the Dothraki did that? It was so weird the first time I watched it.

And for me, the most important part in 7x04. When both of those connected to these symbols characters go into a cave, full of them.

Other easter eggs were present in the series as well, but only these two were shown in the middle of them, and Jon is already directly connected to WW and later Dany becomes too. They are the two leaders who are fighting them now. 

So what does it mean?

As i said, all those symbols mean balance. Between good and evil perhaps. They are the ones who will fight the evil, not eliminate it all maybe, some losses are bound to happen, but find the balance. Betweem life and death. Love and Duty. And Ice and Fire.

It’s another argument for them being the title’s meaning, if that wasn’t obvious already. Those symbols mean them balancing the NK,but also each other. All their parallels (READ ABOUT THEM HERE) connect them and also contrast them,as they faced similiar problems for different reasons, but with the same outcome that eventually got them together. Their fates are prophetic. They are borh tied to prophecies and magical events. 

So if all this is right, they are the ones to defeat the dead with their union. Their love scene was called a Union of Ice and Fire. Their fates were always bound together.

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Cinematic Jonerys

It’s easy to forget sometimes that cinema is a language in itself. Every shot should have a purpose, chosen in a way to propel the story forward, much like a every choice of word should help build a novel. There is a lot of talk lately about how the finale of 7x07 was framed and whether or not it’s cinematically meant to be seen as romantic or ominous. This is something I’m going to attempt to address, but looking at this one scene is like walking in during the middle of a conversation. You don’t have context to the story and things can be a bit confusing. So what I hope to address is the way that cinema has told the story of Jon and Dany’s romance, as well as address the boat scene itself.

This is going to be as unbiased as I can get and not all of it might be to your liking. As with any art form, this is my interpretation and where the evidence has lead me, no different than analyzing a book. Hopefully this can help others see it from a different point of view, clear some things up or just make for interesting debate.

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Just what good did Jon x Dany bring?

I mean really? Seriously? I am sick and tired of seeing this silly argument. 

As it goes, it says that Jon and Sansa (in case you were wondering which faction of the fandom considers this a sane question) coming together won back the North, and regained Winterfell etc. What good did Jon and Dany coming together ever bring?

First of all, I insist on mentioning this before anything else: This is comparing apples and oranges.

Why? Coz and Jon and Sansa are not a romantic pairing. They are brother and sister. That is what they see each other as. Despite posts and posts about their attraction based on arguments that essentially boil down to “ignore the context and see their interactions, if two people who were not siblings looked and acted like that with each other you’d see it as romantic” (this is expressed a thousand different ways with different ways of articulating it) that pesky context is there. (I discuss this further here where I belabor a point that should not be in need of belaboring). Jon and Dany are a romantic pairing. 

Ok, fine. That vented, lets return to the topic of this post.

So I don’t know which show some people were watching, but the one I watched had Daenerys show up in Westeros in season 7 as a ready made, magically crafted solution to all of Jon’s problems at this point. In one stroke:

1) She has control of an island that has huge amounts of Dragonglass. You know, the very thing that has been shown to be the weapon that kills the Army of the Dead, in a story line building for years.

Lets remember, by the way that Dragonstone is quite close to King’s Landing. If Jon had tried to acquire it otherwise (before Daenerys showed up) it is doubtful that Cersei would have ever allowed it. She may even have managed to take him prisoner (and then we’d see what ‘prisoner’ really means in Westeros). Daenerys’ presence there blocks any such possibility.

2) She has two armies and dragons following her. Both of these armies are now going North to fight the Army of the Dead. And in case you don’t realize what this truly means, consider this: You know which is the best cavalry in this world that everyone finds hard to beat? It’s the Dothraki.

You know which force actually has managed to face the Dothraki and forced them away? Let Jorah Mormont narrate it:

Khal Temmo had many times their number and could easily have flanked the small forces, but to the Dothraki, men on foot are made only to be ridden down. Eighteen times the horselords charged and eighteen times the Unsullied locked their shields, lowered their spears and held the line against twenty thousand Dothraki screamers. When the Khal’s archers rained arrows on them, the Unsullied lifted their shields above their heads until the swarm passed; and then they held the line. In the end only six hundred Unsullied remained, but more than twelve thousand Dothraki lay dead - including Khal Temmo and all of his sons. The new Khal led the survivors past the city gates where one by one each man cut off his braid and threw it down before the feet of the Unsullied, defeated and shamed forever.

And then, recall that the Unsullied are modelled after the soldiers of the ancient Ghiscari empire. These legions were effectively invincible until the Valyrians defeated them. You know what the Valyrians’ decisive advantage was? Dragons.

Yes, dragons. Heretofore extinct magical creatures that just happen to breathe Fire, i.e. another thing that kills the Army of the dead.

So consider this: The three most powerful military resources in the history of ASOIAF that Daenerys has assembled over seven seasons, are now heading North to confront the apocalypse. This has come from the Jon x Dany alliance (and I am not even speaking of the romance here).

Yet all that those with certain shipper allegiances see is that the Night King ended up with Viserion. That this is the end result of the Jon Dany alliance. Well, this makes as much sense as declaring Rickon’s death the conclusion of Jon and Sansa coming together.

Why? Because the Jon/Dany collaboration is not over. In fact, its most important part is yet to come.

And while we’re at it, lets also dismiss this nonsense about Jon being a political moron and Sansa being the political genius. Yes, she has hung around with many cunning people and understands court intrigue better. But lets recall what her advice to Jon was in 7x02 (supported by the Northern and Vale Lords, by the way): to send an emissary.

Could an emissary have gained the results Jon did? Of course not. And remember that Daenerys ended up offering her entire forces before Jon bent the knee. Which basically means that the so-called political fool Jon Snow pulled off the greatest diplomatic miracle of the entire series!

So lets stop hearing about how nothing good came from this meeting (which of course we won’t coz these accusations are repeated ad nauseum as facts until those repeating them probably believe in them as such).

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Moth to a flame - Jon’s POV on sailing through the romantic journey of the Jonerys ship in S07

I’ve discussed Jon & Dany’s mirroring arcs in great detail in what’s practically my Jonerys Thesis which ends at the worlds colliding and these two finally meeting. I got an amazing request to write a meta from Jon’s perceptive on him falling in love with Dany. So let’s take this season apart with a scalpel to explore Jon’s romantic journey in S07. Let’s start with the most basic premise - Jon doesn’t know Dany.  We need to put aside our understanding of her character and view her as a stranger, whose help he needs to save the North from a zombie apocalypse and everyone in his life packed him a nice baggage of prejudice before he left Winterfell. 

The Bias he starts out with: 

Dany’s father brutally murdered Jon’s uncle & grandfather and her brother kidnapped & raped Jon’s aunt to his knowledge. 

Jon’s father, Ned, fought in the rebellion to overthrow the Targaryens. 

The Northern Lords & his sister are sure he would be killed or burnt alive if he meets Dany.  

She sailed to Westeros as a foreign invader and the Westerosi expect a conquest as scary as Aegon’s in an already war torn, bankrupt and politically unstable country at the brink of a zombie apocalypse. 

Cersei’s ‘Mad King’s daughter’ propaganda is spreading like wildfire. 

Political differences: 

I talked about this in my Jonerys meta as well but the House values of Stark & Targaryen contradict in terms of avoiding the game to focus on the threats that winter brings vs dominating the game with godlike power of dragons. These values were only amplified when Jon joined The Night’s Watch, which completely avoids politics to focus on threats beyond The Wall and when Dany was left with the burden of ‘The Last Targaryen’ with sole responsibility & resources to restore her House’s honour. 

I will explore how this conflict in their belief system comes into play in most of their scenes until their goals finally align. But to begin with, Jon receives an order from Dany to come bend the knee, similar to the one Cersei sent him. The Starks have conflicts with Targaryens and Lannisters at a very similar level & Jon is at a place politically where he detests any political ambition other than protecting the realm from White Walkers considering how the “Game of Thrones” destroyed the realm and left it too weak to survive a zombie apocalypse. He doesn’t know all the good she has done in Essos or why people follow her, all he can see is yet another person who wants the Iron Throne based on their birthright. 

What draws him to her :

The North has no ammunition to fight the White Walkers & their army is too small. There is no hope for their survival come winter. He is motivated to meet her only when he realises that Dragonstone has abundance of Dragonglass & Dragons along with her massive army which could give them a fighting chance.

Jon personally doesn’t hate Targaryens. In the books it’s mentioned that many of his personal heroes from history were Targaryens and it’s natural to be fascinated by the presence of a dragon riding Targaryen after reading so much about them in myths & legends. 

He is terrified of the worst case scenario that could await him but the best case scenario is that she represents hope for life. She could just be harbinger of summer they need. After all, she is someone who returned dragons to the world, these magical creatures he had only read about & believed to be extinct. Not to mention that she commands the greatest amry in this sexist world, something almost every character who hears of her accomplishments is intrigued by. 

With all that in mind, let’s breakdown 7x03 - The Queen’s Justice - Strangers/Foes to Potential Allies

Beginning : There are three conflicting feelings he starts out with which stand in his way of a successful military alliance. 

Intimidation - After countless warnings and reminders of the magnitude of the danger he is putting himself in, the Dothraki seizing his weapons & boat makes him paranoid that he might be a prisoner. Drogon’s little welcome must have been terrifying for someone seeing a dragon for the first time & Dany’s introduction was too intimidating, regal & formal. 

Attraction - Jon was visibly shaken after seeing her for the first time and by Kit’s own admission, he wasn’t expecting someone so beautiful and of the same age. It added a positive note for a moment during their small talk. But maybe this pushed him to cling onto his other two emotional responses harder, since he couldn’t afford to have a crush at such an inopportune time. 

Bias - As soon as the difference in their political goals is introduced and she insists he bends the knee (my meta on both their perspectives on bending the knee), there is a rift between the two - coldness & formality - as they push each other’s buttons to get the other to submit & get behind their respective agenda 100% with no compromise. Not to mention, growing up as a bastard surrounded by arrogant Highborns & not knowing Dany’s journey and everything she went through to earn her titles, her claims make her seem like another privileged Highborn on a throne from his perceptive. 

Looking into the Mirror : Jon’s first attempt at pushing her buttons involves reminding her of the things her father did to his family due to which she can’t lord his ancestor’s vow over him. “Break faith? Your father burned my grandfather alive. He burned my uncle alive. He would have burned the Seven Kingdoms–”

I’m sure he expected pushback, instead she apologises “My father…was an evil man. On behalf of House Targaryen…I ask your forgiveness for the crimes he committed against your family. And I ask you not to judge a daughter by the sins of her father.” Not only did the apology shatter his first impression & bias a little but her her words mirror his own & appeal to who he is deep down as a person. ( Gif : @midqueenally)

Together : She extends an olive branch and offers him some hope that maybe he really can convince her to join his cause, “Together, we will save this country from those who would destroy it.” This is when Jon presents a counter offer of his own which backfires a little, “Because I need your help, and you need mine.”

Gaining Perceptive/Humanising Insight:

Despite Dany’s reminder of the size of her armed forces, Jon for the first time tries to gain perceptive on Dany & her moral compass in terms of why she doesn’t use her army to sack King’s Landing while still remaining mostly sceptical about her, “at the very least, you’re better than Cersei.” But Jon’s pitch isn’t very articulate and has two issues:

He makes her feel like he’s being condescending when he says, “we’re children playing at a game, screaming thatthe rules aren’t fair.” A mistake he soon understands when Dany tells Tyrion, “and now he’s calling me a child.”

He tries being direct, “Your Grace, everyone you know will die before winter’s over…” but as he talks about the army of the dead, he soon realises that he sounds like a mad man to these people but he sticks to it. 

In season 3, Mance Rayder told Jon that it was impossible to unite the Wildlings until, “I told them we are all going to die if we don’t go down south.” In every doomed negotiation, this is how Jon closes the deal but it doesn’t work at all with Dany. These two have an ‘unstoppable force meets an immovable object’ grade conflict and Dany tells him that she is not some naive Targaryen princess. She tells him about everything she had to go through to get where she is and why she has little to no faith in myths & legends. To her benefit, even Jon was sceptical about dragons until he saw one with his own eyes. Her candid disclosure of all her hardships, adds to a shift in his bias for a moment.

Undoing : Being backed into a corner by her & Tyrion into a political debate which is mostly handled by Davos, Jon clings even harder to his preconceived notions “I mean no offence, Your Grace, but I don’t know you. As far as I can tell, your claim to the throne rests entirely on your father’s name, and my own father fought to overthrow the Mad King.” Just like that she is once again ‘The Mad King’s daughter’ and he pushed away whatever insight he gained into her earlier when there was hope of forming an alliance. When she excuses them, the thought of being a prisoner returns and he walks away clinging harder to the intimidating & biased first impression. 

This is evident by his talk with Tyrion later when he’s brooding & regretting his decision to come to Dragonstone. “Everyone told me to learn from my father’s mistakes. Don’t go south. Don’t answer a summons from the Mad King’s daughter, a foreign invader. And here I am, a Northern fool.” At this point, he doesn’t see any hope for an alliance or any good in Daenerys as a person despite Tyrion’s advice that he should consider talking to the people on the island to form a more informed opinion on Daenerys or try a more reasonable approach to forming an alliance. 

Recovery & Jonerys Theme: This time Jon approaches her with casual conversation about something that fascinates him, like dragons and they do connect for a moment until once again their opposing political views come up. But what changes everything, is Dany’s peace offering, “I will allow you to mine the dragonglass and forge weapons from it. Any resources or men you need, I will provide for you.”

This is the moment when Jonerys theme plays for the first time, focusing on Jon’s face and you truly see something stir within Jon, “Thank you. So you believe me, then, about the Night King and the Army of the Dead?” It’s the first time ever in a while that Jon seems hopeful, for a chance for survival & an alliance. Considering the prejudices that he was clinging onto, the generosity takes him by surprise and in this instance those prejudices faint. He might not completely trust her, know her or like her but now he’s not clouded by the bias he began this journey with, which now leaves him with three things…attraction, hope & frustration that she still doesn’t believe him. 

Environment : It’s so interesting that when the tension develops & builds between these two, they meet in a dark throne room, surrounded by advisers & guards. Dany is sitting on a throne & immersed in her hardened queenly persona & he is a defiant & challenging warrior on a mission. The conflict resolves out in the open, yet they have privacy. The surroundings beautiful & bright, just two Targaryens watching dragons fly into the horizon as the sun sets. Dany gentle & Jon defeated, stripped of their hardened exteriors. What’s more interesting is that they both had to descend stairs in both these scenes, Dany descends from the throne to come down to Jon’s level in order to help him understand her and Jon descends stairs in the second scene to once again try to reason with her.

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The second Jonerys chapter transition in ASOS ends with Jon seeing boobs for the first time & the Jon x Ygritte cave scene and leads to Dany bargaining to buy the Unsullied in exchange for Drogon, wearing her Qartheen dress to appear richer than she is, which in the books is cut in a way to expose a boob. Putting aside Jon’s rapey commentary on his relationship & self loathing for enjoying the sex & the fact that I prefer the show version of Dany freeing of Unsullied scene more, I love two very interesting parallels.

1. They both decide to part with their spirit animals. One starry night Jon says goodbye to Ghost because he has to leave him & climb the wall. Dany has a really difficult sleepless night after she offers to sell Drogon in exchange for the Unsullied.

2. When Jon is star gazing while searching for Ghost, he thinks “he was old friends with the Ice Dragon,” and a constellation named Ice Dragon whose Blue eye guides people North in this world.

Dany has a dream the night before she frees the Unsullied, “That night she dreamt that she was Rhaegar, riding to the Trident. But she was mounted on a dragon, not a horse. When she saw the Usurper’s rebel host across the river they were armored all in ice, but she bathed them in dragonfire and they melted away like dew and turned the Trident into a torrent.”

When she wakes up, she hears this creepy woman’s voice she presumes to be Quaithe even though there’s no one to be seen in light later, “Remember. To go north, you must journey south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.”

3. They are both really nervous about deception, Jon about how terrible a double agent he is & Dany about her plans for the slave masters… This is such a personal favorite :)

4. Jon wondering how Ygritte is always lingering nearby to keep an eye on him & Dany wondering how Jorah is always lingering when she goes out to get dinner air in the middle of a sleepless night & he shows up.