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@themonge23
I think both should be affordable and readily available.
Perhaps. However, insulin is an absolute necessity for millions of people whereas ammunition is not.
That's where we disagree.
Let's start talking about banning things that are not an absolutely necessary but used responsibly by the vast majority of users:
Coffee
Ice cream
Alcohol
Et cetera, et cetera
Want y'all below-average-I.Q. motherfuckers to understand something:
Laws are not preventative, laws are punitive.
You can’t punish someone for a crime until after they’ve done it, assuming you even catch them or can prove that they did it.
Gun Control is an attempt at preventative lawmaking, which ignores due process and punishes innocent people for the actions of the guilty.
It’s a massive Authoritarian conflict of interest.
So stop it.
Well fucking said ‼️‼️
This guy gets it.
An apparently hot take
Nobody outside of the military needs a weapon capable of firing 600 rounds per minute. Yes, people kill people, but guns allow people to commit mass murder.
> "...600 rounds per minute."
Kiddo, ya don't know what you're talking about.
You’re right. Most mass shootings in America involve AR-15s, which are only capable of firing an average 400 rpm. Because that’s so much harder to kill people with.
You're telling me you could pull a trigger 400 times and perform 14 reloads in a minute?
You don't know what you're talking about, kiddo.
You keep repeating the same thing, but the fact still stands that semi automatic weapons are what allow massacres that, for instance, kill 29 people in the span of a few minutes.
You're argument is not congruent with legal standards applied to other areas.
Ignoring for the moment that the second amendment exists and all of this is moot because of its existence; lethal potential doesn't really matter here.
Look at alcohol: it had at least as much potential for more damage in irresponsible hands, is in no way required by anyone to live, and is in no way being considered for a ban. Whenever a child dies at the hands of a drunk driver there are no mass calls to ban alcohol. We even tried that once and reversed it.
Or, on the other hand, consider vaccinations. They undoubtedly save lives but are not legally required. Furthermore, whenever a requirement is levied, say by a school, it is often vehemently argued.
What you need to understand is the VAST MAJORITY of firearms do nothing to harm human beings. So a gun control is no different from prohibition for the sake of the statistical minority who kill humans under the influence of alcohol. It's an oppressive legal stance.
mass shootings are as normal to see on the news as the weather report.
they’re now selling bullet proof backpacks for students.
gun control now, before it’s too late
What specific gun control laws would you propose and how would they work effectively and realistically prevent attacks like this and/or create an overall safer society in America?
The really troubling extrapolation from the gun control argument is the ignoring of the perpetrator to highlight the tool. Gun control advocates almost never push solutions directed at the shooter (short of blaming police and family members for not stopping it before it happened).
This implies that gun control advocates are totally ok with homicidal sociopaths... As long as they don't have guns.
Should i try to apply a wash to this thing or just glue on the canopy and call it good?
@fattoler, @enrique262, do you want to weigh in on this?
I vote wash.
Per the maintenance manual you have to perform a 14 calendar day inspection (aircraft wash) upon accepting custody of a new aircraft.
I got some questions:
Why was that reload a jittery shit show?
Why is your group at 10 yards sloppier than a three dollar whore despite having a magnified optic?
Why are you slapping that trigger like it's that three dollar whore's floppy tits?
Where's your controlled trigger reset there, guy?
Why the fuck are you walking around with an unloaded rifle right after encountering a violent threat?
Better yet, why are you walking around with an unloaded rifle at all? This is the equivalent of a concealed carrier walking around with an empty pistol.
Why did you fire 9 rounds, but only put 7 on paper?
Why, as the PRIMARY MARKSMANSHIP INSTRUCTOR, can't you keep your rounds on paper at 10 YARDS with a FUCKING RIFLE???
I'm just saying. You didn't even try to make this look good.
PS - Your recoil management is poor. Sorry, not sorry.
Do better, Marines.
I get it... You take a couple classes and feel empowered to shit all over a video that is purely designed as a recruiting tool without any clue of the purpose of the Marine Corps marksmanship program. As such I feel compelled to provide some insight.
First, Marines don't shoot often. It's very easy to shoot more practical training courses than the average Marine.
Second, this Marine's primary objective (as an instructor) is to train 18 year old recruits who have never fired a weapon; his secondary objective is to train Marines during annual qualification to meet basic battlefield marksmanship standards.
Third, every martial organization trains to it's lowest common denominator. SEALs shoot a ton and are way better shooters for it. They need to be and their standards reflect. Troops of the line don't need that level of proficiency. And frankly, it's not affordable at scale. A rifle company could easily be as proficient as a SEAL team, but the cost of ammunition alone would be insane; let alone all the other variables. That's why SOCOM units exist; if we had an entire Marine Corps of Raiders it would be too expensive... And there aren't that many high quality individuals in the military. But wouldn't it be glorious?
None of the critiques you brought up are invalid, your expectations are just misplaced. I generally don't have a problem with what you're saying and just want to give a different point of view.
So USA, 152 days in 2019 and 150 shootings so far.
And yet, there’s no gun problem.
If you say so.
It is so crazy. What’s worse is that most of us want gun control but all the politicians are getting big money to stop it from happening. I was just in St. Louis with someone and they were afraid to be there. I felt like a total ass because I joked that we’re just as likely to be shot anywhere else. The truth is so scary you have to joke or you’d never go outside.
If you knew that gun crime is half of what it was in 1993 then you might realize that you’d been lied to and America is safer than you realize.
Weirdly enough, as gun crime was decreasing many states were enacting pro-gun legislation.
Although most Americans think the number of gun crimes has risen, the U.S. gun homicide rate has actually stabilized somewhat in recent year
Everyone keeps saying it's a gun problem.
Why is no one is saying we have a homicidal sociopath problem? Are you ok with these people's behavior if they simply don't have firearms? They'll just find some other means to do bad deeds, all while punishing the law abiding persons.
Everyone says it's a gun problem because they are told it's a gun problem.
How to solve the 2A debate, say people can have guns, but only the guns that were made as of the second amendment being written.
If you want anything else then you should have to go through military training.
military training is ass lol
Some of the worst shooters I’ve ever seen were in the Army with me.
…to be honest though I think some kind of mandatory (but readily available/easily accessed) training as a requisite for firearm ownership isn’t an intrinsically bad idea
by using this image against me are you saying that you can’t think of any kind of training course that would be a good idea? make sure people have a solid grasp of the fundamentals of gun safety and operation?
was it the word mandatory? it was the word mandatory wasn’t it
Deal! But I get full access to every weapon system I received training on (list not all inclusive)
M16A4, M203, M249, M240G, M2, Mk-19, and I received an AT4 demo.
Sorry non-vets, every Man for himself.
This is a really interesting situation. A women in California, for example, are on a sex strike against men, presumably in California, over a law in Alabama. Men who have absolutely NO WAY of affecting laws in Alabama.
So there's that.
As the nation mourns the latest tragedy in “gun free zone” Chicago, a recent report compiled by Jacob Paulsen at ConcealedCarry.com shows that armed citizens facing possible mass shooters are able to stop the potential massacre 94% of the time. Paulsen’s study is inspired by John Lott’s consistent analysis of crime and gun laws. While …
But but…the narrative
FBI UNIFORM CODE OF STATISTICS THE CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL.
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That’s why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides……Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It’s pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarming the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power.”
Remember, when it comes to “gun control,” the important word is “control,“ not “gun.”
The gun control discussion is based on emotion - this is why it only really comes up whenever an emotional event occurred (e.g. Connecticut, Las Vegas, Florida, etc.). Objective statistics are generally ignored by gun control advocates, except when they are skewing them in favor of their agenda.
Here we go internet. You want to know why a significant portion of America, including the President, claims they have lost faith in the media? This picture is why. A simple article about things that may cause cancer... Nothing crazy. And coal is one of them - no surprise.
But one problem: for those of you who may not know, this is a picture of cooling towers for a nuclear power plant. Those may be coal fired pants on the background, but The Business Insider couldn't find ANY OTHER picture in the vast reaches of the internet? Common really? Not a problem right? Except people form opinions based on this stuff, and those opinions inform policy.
This is either negligence or laziness or politically motivated.
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Do you want holes in your ceiling? Because this is how you get holes in your ceiling.
And you won’t be hearing out that ear anytime soon afterwards
Baby girl needs trigger discipline.🤦🏻♀️
Isn’t it hilarious when people can’t tell a BB gun from a real gun? I think so.
Aight, but my point still stands. You can still hurt yourself or someone else with a BB gun when you’re being unsafe with it.
Great example of why words matter.
The rule is: treat every WEAPON as if it were loaded.
Doesn't matter if it's a BB gun or a firearm or a squirt gun. Reason: muscle memory. Humans aren't good at dealing with exceptional situations. Also, no one other than you knows that's a BB gun; looks real enough.
Safety rules are for your safety and everyone else's; don't get upset because you're wrong and someone else is trying to help you be right.
I don’t care if I am called a “fake conservative,” we need federal voting guidelines. When every one of the 50 states has its own voting guidelines, chaos ensues. And Florida apparently has a different set of rules for every county.
This is an interesting idea. The reason each state (and sometimes county) has its own laws is simply because the feds defer to the states. This is how the system was designed. And, in theory, is how the system should be. Each individual state should decide how it is represented in the Congress, not the other way around. In fact, one could argue that federal interference in this process is tyrannical and not in keeping with the founders' ideals. But with party politics being what they are and with national politics surpassing anything the founders could have foreseen it is a debate worth having.
The usual criticism applies: power once ceded (usually) can never be regained. So whatever the the people allow the feds to dictate will be that way ad infinitum.
Serious concerns
Used to be in a welding group on facebook, but left after realising it was basically 50% bitching about medical stuff, and 50% bitching over "DARN KIDS NOWADAYS WITH THEIR SAFETY EQUIPMENT, YOU DONT NEED GLOVES, RESPIRATORS OR EYE PROTECTION TO JUST DO A LIL' WELDING" (hyperbolic, but anyway) And dont get me started on the facebook "IF YOU WERE A KID IN THE (insert irrelevant decade here) YOU NEVER NEEDED SEATBELTS ETC" posts. No fool like an old fool rings true every damn day
LOL welding gloves and welding goggles are for pussies.
No I get this a lot too. Where I live the powdered metal industry is big and has thrived despite being the rust belt with a huge decline in industry. I know a lot of people who work in powdered metal factories and I ask them if they wear safety gear and most don’t. Many say stuff just like you were commenting and they’re like “I don’t need no respirator! My pa worked in the factory for 30 years and died at the rife old age of 60 and he didn’t wear a respirator! You millennial youngins’ are a bunch of pansies who are ruining this country!”
Like, think about it you’re breathing in powdered metal! Use some common sense!!! Ah well, it’s job security for me I guess.
Overhere it’s mostly the factory-owners decision to either withold any safety equipment or create a cultural environment on the workfloor where it’s considered ‘weak’ to use protective working gear. “..do you have ANY idea how much a #$%-respirator costs me ?! Open a f##in’ window-there’s your fresh air !” was a saying of one of my bosses..
Does your company have medical benefits? You should tell that boss about the cost of treating a person with pulmonary fibrosis compared to the cost of a respirator.
How does the company get away with openly failing to comply with OSHA standards? Seems like the company wouldn't risk the fines knowingly
Tonight my brother and his friends had a gun pulled on them. My brother, a sophmore in high school; his girlfriend, one of the nicest people I know; and their friends had a gun pulled on them by a fellow high school student.
They weren’t doing anything wrong. They had just finished playing in the pep band for our homecoming football game and were trying to enjoy the last half of it.
Until some idiot decided to get high or drunk and traumatise my friends for life.
I wasn’t at the game. I had left after the pep band was done at halftime to go Halloween shopping with my friends. Moments after I drop them back off at their car in the school parking lot I get a frantic call from my brother.
He wants to know if I’m ok. If I am at the game. If I am safe. I ask him what is wrong, but he won’t tell me. He just says come home because something happened at the game. He hangs up.
My first reaction was a shooting because sadly that is the kind of world we are living in. I frantically call my friends who I dropped off. They are just leaving from where they were parked in the school parking lot right next to the football game. They have just left and don’t know anything.
I call my other friends. Linnea, Emely, Payton. No one picks up. I fear the worst in the silent car ride home.
When I show up at home,
Everyone is alright.
Physically.
I hear my parents discussing in a hushed voices downstairs as I enter my brother’s room. He is crying.
Why did he deserve this? Why does anyone?
The thing that bothers me the most was that we could have stopped this.
We could have stopped this in March with the walkouts and national March for Our Luvez after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas tragedy. I marched with them and I raised my head to the sky hoping that something would change.
We could have stopped it every other time there has been an incident like this. But we haven’t.
Holes are left in people’s hearts. Desks and seats at dinner tables are left empty. Yet we have chosen not to act.
My brother was lucky. He and his friends were not hurt, but they will carry these nightmares with them for life.
As I leave my brother’s room, I tell him that I love him so much.
I sit down at my desk with a blank paper in front of me. I hold a pen in my hand.
I take a deep breath.
I have work to do.
What specific laws and/or gun control measured would you propose and how would they have worked to realistically and effectively prevented this event?
Here's a better question: why are you focusing on the weapon and not the fact that a teenager thought that it was rational to bring a weapon to a school function and threaten other teenagers with it? Why are you ok with the behavior but not with the tool? Why is the only way to have prevented this to get rid of guns, when clearly the individual is the problem?
