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any questions for the one and only Hater please send them to the ask box
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why is he choking the cat
Thoughts on the concept of love?
it’s pretty cool
Huh. Wouldve thought you hated it
I hate a lot of things
but not love
I do however hate people who think aro/ace people aren’t lgbtq or are just “faking it”
Very interesting insight into the perspective of a dedicated hater, thank you!
I hate Adam and Eve
Thoughts on the concept of love?
it’s pretty cool
Huh. Wouldve thought you hated it
I hate a lot of things
but not love
I do however hate people who think aro/ace people aren’t lgbtq or are just “faking it”
Thoughts on the concept of love?
it’s pretty cool
hullo <|:) do you like my purple hat
fucking stupid I want to burn it alive
how ya been?
unfortunately my hat is not living <|:( so you will not be able to do that
pretty good!!! nice to see that your hating skills have improved since last time, you seem to have become much more bitter
I e been training yk
it’s not to hard once you get into the swing of it
seems like it. must be pretty hard to come out of that cycle once you get into it, hah
you ever,, make some time for not hating? worried that too much might start to have a negative effect on your overall well-being, ya know
Other then the feeling of never ending loneliness nope!
Im always hating no matter what!
hullo <|:) do you like my purple hat
fucking stupid I want to burn it alive
how ya been?
unfortunately my hat is not living <|:( so you will not be able to do that
pretty good!!! nice to see that your hating skills have improved since last time, you seem to have become much more bitter
I e been training yk
it’s not to hard once you get into the swing of it
hullo <|:) do you like my purple hat
fucking stupid I want to burn it alive
how ya been?
i'm not really a hater so much as a disliker. occasionally the fires of hate burn within me but mostly i just encounter things and go hm. don't like that.
Do I know the fucking person for you
hand to god I do not understand why people are so angry about the announcement of two (2) new horror Mickey Mouse public domain projects because the point of public domain is that. you could take the same character and make a semi-ambitious project yourself? like you understand that’s what public domain means? fundamentally what it entails, is that there’s no finite amount of space for art to occupy?
if some dumbfuck on the internet making stupid horror feat. Mickey Mouse pisses you off so bad then just take the same character and do something else with it. have him team up with sherlock holmes and winnie the pooh. have him make out with the grinch. it’ll all hold as much cultural significance in the long run anyway. go ham. let your spite fuel you. stop being such a giant baby about creativity.
it’s amazing because this site is all about “make bad art! do it scared but do it anyway!!! it’s for you and no one else!!!!!” and then when people actually do do that. you get everyone knee-jerk complaining about how it’s the kind of bad art they don’t personally approve of because THEY have better original ideas that THEY can make with that concept.
and then they don’t. but they’ll reblog more “make bad art!!!!!” posts like it counts for something.
I think my objection here is not, "it'll be bad," but, "I'm incredibly tired."
At some point in the recent past - the early 2000s or so - it became popular to become deeply cynical about everything. Call it Internet humor or South Park humor or whatever you care to call it, but its main thesis was that everything is stupid, nothing matters, and things like innocence, joy, wonder, and hope were qualities to be scorned. It's a jaded outlook that made people feel smart and edgy, but it also gave rise to many of the bad qualities we see within society today.
I'm a firm believer in the theory that the stories we tell shape our ways of thinking, which in turn shapes our attitudes and personalities. Writ large, this means that stories we tell ourselves are the stories that shape our society.
So - the Steamboat Willie horror movie. Set aside the fact that it is a shameless and deeply cynical cash grab that is content to use shock tactics to earn press and stir controversy. Focus instead on the premise itself. Steamboat Willie is one of the first incarnations of Mickey Mouse. Mickey symbolizes a ruthless entertainment conglomerate to many adults. But to children, Mickey is a fun character, a friend. You can argue that kids today wouldn't recognize the Steamboat Willie character, but they will absolutely know that it is Mickey Mouse. Twist your reasoning as you like, but at its heart Mickey symbolizes innocence, joy, and wonder. He represents qualities pop culture and broader society seem hellbent on destroying.
So my objection is not that this new film is bad art. My objection is that once again, we are delighting in a story that says that the qualities that make childhood beautiful are qualities that should be killed. Once again, we are telling a story that says that fictional childhood friends cannot be trusted, that ostensibly gentle heroes must be hiding monstrous traits, that taking solace in kindness is a fool's errand at best and a deadly mistake at worst. We are once again cheering an obvious cash grab and a mean-spirited creation, and when people complain, we crow that the cruelty is the point and we should like it.
True, no one has to see this film. True, people are free to make their own tales. But the fact that people are defending a story that says, "The innocence of childhood will kill you," is deeply, deeply disturbing.
but like I don’t think anyone is saying that??????
As you said it’s a shameless cynical cash grab not a declaration of death to childhood
a kid also probably looks up to Batman and Superman but at the same time there are stories in which Batman and Superman kill people does that mean those two characters are now dead in the eyes of a child?
yes Mickey represents Joy and Happiness and wonder and innocence but just because someone makes a shameless cash grab horror movie doesn’t mean that automatically destroys everything that Mickey stood for
Batman is a symbol of hope and justice but at the same time the Batman who laughs exists. Just bc these two coexist doesn’t mean Batman loses is status as a symbol for hope and justice it just means someone wanted money and figured that was the best way to go about it
The interesting thing about this perspective is that it presumes that bad art is divorced from intent.
We've had many interpretations of Batman over the years - the 40s incarnation was a noir-style detective; the 60s version was high camp. In 1986, Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns introduced audiences to a dark, dystopian Batman that one could argue forever altered the character. We wouldn't have had the darker edges in Batman: The Animated Series without Miller's work. That's not to say that The Dark Knight Returns is bad, necessarily - taste is subjective - but I think it's fair to say that it permanently altered the way that people perceive the character within the broader public consciousness. The 60s Batman is today referred to with a certain degree of condescension at best and outright scorn at worst. It is looked at as "bad art" now, a shameless cash grab. In many ways it was, but it also was a Batman that spoke to the zeitgeist of its time. Now, it's barely worthy of viewing by children. Another Batman has superseded the version that stood for hope and justice. The 60s Batman is, in many ways, dead in the public mind.
A quick search for "kids batman costumes" brings back results that are clearly more focused on the darker interpretations (Nolan, Burton) of the character, rather than the camp 60s one. The grey/blue color scheme is a rarity, not the norm. Society is already leaving it behind. Superman results are a bit different - that color scheme will always be associated with a certain degree of innocence due to its primary nature - but many of these costumes feature simulated musculature that is more keeping with Zach Snyder and the edgier comics from the 80s and 90s than the 40s cartoon or the 50s television show. The smiling, jovial Superman of black and white serials is dead in the public mind as well.
Today's culture cannot take its superheroes seriously unless they are angry, grim, and function on the border between vigilante and willing tool of a police state. Even young children now understand that, broadly speaking, heroes cannot be silly, or even fun. In the world of superheroes, innocence is something to be scorned. Hollywood is rebuilding the entire genre on that premise.
How did all of this start? There are different reasons. Frank Miller was mugged, and it enraged him, and made him long for a society in which the strong would defend the weak by any means necessary. Alan Moore viewed the superhero through the prism of Thatcher's Britain, noting with some cynicism (and no small degree of worry) that superheroes - powerful, untouchable beings whose powers rendered almost all forms of resistance futile - could just as easily be prone to fascism as, "truth, justice, and the American way." They could also just decide that our petty human squabbles were beneath them and leave us to twist in the wind while they took refuge in their fortress of solitude. Or Mars. Each superhero has been interpreted and reinterpreted through the authors that work with them, and each author leaves a mark that trickles down through the public consciousness until it becomes an unconscious knowledge. Few people know why Batman went from a technicolor comedy where heroes and villains dance the "Ba-tu-si" to an ostensible hero who manhandles a prisoner in custody. They just know it happened, and that this is Batman now. Even kids. Especially kids. They wouldn't blink at a Batman or Superman who kills now, because that's what we, as a society, have decided is right.
So there's a trickle down effect. Art, good or bad, is about an artist expressing their opinions, their emotional values, their spiritual truths. You can make the argument that this only applies to "good" art made by The Masters Of Their Craft, but plenty of objectively "bad" art is an attempt to make some sort of statement. Some of my favorite "bad art" is only enjoyable because it's trying to make a statement. Time Chasers is about the inevitable perversion that takes place when beneficial research is co-opted by corporate interests for monetary gain. I Accuse My Parents is a misguided, but sincere, attempt to remind parents that kids need stability at home. Just about every 50s film involving a giant, mutant creature is about fears about nuclear testing, the effects of the Green Revolution, and industrial pollution. Even The Room - yes, everyone's favorite bad film - is about a good man being slowly destroyed by an uncaring world.
So back to the original topic that kicked off this conversation - a horror movie based on Steamboat Willie. After my first post, I spoke with several of my friends to see if maybe I was being ridiculous. But all of them agreed with me to a certain extent. Some agreed with me that a movie in which a worldwide symbol of happiness being perverted into a murderer was mean-spirited and cruel. At least one worried about the inevitability of kids seeing it. The most charitable thing they were able to say about it was that the movie had nothing to say.
I try to give creators the benefit of the doubt when it comes to, "cynical cash grabs." Christmas singles are a guaranteed royalty check, but plenty of them are good. Some are even great. Music fans know why musicians make them, but it's fair to say that a broad majority of musicians don't go out of their way to record a low effort affair.
I had assumed that the creators of this film had a point, in the same way that Frank Miller did. After all, why bother to go through the effort of writing a script, auditioning actors, securing permits, hiring a crew and shooting a film if you have nothing to say?
"Because it's a shameless cynical cash grab, of course!" Well, yes. It's being made to take advantage of a newly available, highly recognizable piece of intellectual property. It is not there to say anything or do anything but make money for the person(s) who are betting that a combination of face recognition and shock value will make them fabulously rich. It's no different from a singing fish plaque.
The Steamboat Willie horror movie is not bad art. It's a stupid product that serves no purpose, aside from parting fools from their money. I was wrong to give the creators the benefit of the doubt by referring to them as filmmakers or artists. The people behind this cynical, shameless cash grab would be insulted.
I'm pretty sure the term they would prefer is, "opportunistic capitalists."
That’s a very interesting and well put together explanation and i definitely agree with you in some parts especially the finally paragraphs as you’re right Steam boat willie horror movie is just a stupid product which serves no purpose other then to make money
Although to be fair I’m not sure any kid would wanna dress like the 60s Batman for Halloween or just in general
but as you said back then that was the Batman, the best one, the one everyone immediately thought about and like you said that changed. So who’s to say that it can’t change again? While I still believe Steamboat Willie being turned into a horror movie won’t forever change his legacy I do understand your points and reasons however I still believe a couple of horror products won’t permanently pervert the character entirely
Let’s say we take this the opposite way and have someone like Freddy Krueger go into public domain and people start making kid friendly stuff with him. No matter how much kid friendly stuff is put out I believe that he will always be remembered as the creepy motherfucker who liked to say bitch and murder teens in their sleep. But as you said change happens frequently and could happen. Even though change happens most kid friendly versions of Batman still exist today I mean if you look at most of the 2000s animated shows those are kid friendly along with other media sources like video games (this is like half and half) you have the Lego Batman and Dc games which are always kid friendly
so while I see your point and understand most of it I still stand by my opinion that a couple other bad horror products won’t forever pervert a character as the original intent of the character is still always present even though not as much
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This is what I tried to explain to US platforms like Patreon when they suspended my account for having a nude statue as the background image: I live in Europe, I can go and see a nude statue within a 5 minutes walk. Children can see them, they're not in some 18+ container. I will never understand those policies.
Surprising! I thought you'd hate it, but this makes sense too.
I bathe in hatred
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This is what I tried to explain to US platforms like Patreon when they suspended my account for having a nude statue as the background image: I live in Europe, I can go and see a nude statue within a 5 minutes walk. Children can see them, they're not in some 18+ container. I will never understand those policies.
I’ve noticed that gore isn’t really allowed in other places but is perfectly fine in America but nudity which is more common in other places is pretty much always censored in America
what's your stance on the concept of hate?
well I enjoy it quite a lot, why do you ask
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