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[subottomvik]

Welcome to Sub Bottom Viktor week! More to come soon!

[ellie-r2]

Viktor deserves to have soulmates for Jayce the same way Jayce has soulmate for Viktor

[cupidsncheerios]

its so wild to me how underpoliticized jayvik is in fancontent, especially considering how incredibly political their league roots are

like. arcane set up two character arcs about assimilating into oppressive cultures, living with disability and trying to change the nature of life & death, and working to change the world and help the downtrodden only to be stopped by capitalism every step of the way and then forced to confront the fact that your efforts did more harm than good, and fans have NOT DONE ENOUGH to make these characters leftists. nuh uh. not on my watch.

anyway tune in next week for my fic where viktor takes jayce to a communist meeting and they make awkward eye contact with a guy they're pretty sure is silco the whole time

[therunnerwizard]

I want to understand why some people find the notion of Jayce being a caretaker so repulsive and out of character?

While we have canon scenes where Jayce tried to assist Viktor on the bridge and he actively protect hexcore from Heimerdinger cause it has a chance to cure Viktor.

Why is the idea of Jayce loving Viktor as a disabled person ick some of you so much?

[therunnerwizard]

I can forgive Jayce for almost everything he has done to Viktor.

Breaking his promise and resurrecting Viktor without his consent? Cool, we do crazy things for love.

Being a classist asshole on the bridge scene? He was under political pressure and he did what he thought was the best, he also apologized right after so yeah, no issue.

Making weapons using hextech even after he knows how much Viktor despises the idea?, sure, yeah it's reckless but also he's on the council that time, he needs to protect his people.

Blasting Viktor's chest and killing him at the commune?, nvm, he promised mageViktor to stop Viktor, so it's necessary.

I can forgive him for almost everything but one scene.

The scene where Mel sidelined Viktor when they discuss how they should make weapons using hextech and Mel clearly said "The choice is yours" to Jayce ALONE and don't even ACKNOWLEDGE Viktor as co-founder of hextech, as if Viktor opinion doesn't matter.

Jayce should correct her on that, saying something like the choice will always be from both of them cause they're "partner", co-founders of hextech. But no, he doesn't correct her, he lets the notion that Viktor has no voice in their creation festering and I hate it.

[academicblorbo]

I wish I could agree with you, since I hate how ignored Viktor is during that scene, but Mel says that it's Jayce's choice because Jayce is the one literally in control of Hextech. The whole point of him being voted in the Council was to administrate the Hexgates and be responsible for Hextech

[therunnerwizard]

I know, but him being in the council responsible for the hextech doesn't mean he should allow people to forget that Viktor is also the co-founder of hextech hence have a saying on the matter too. The decision should be from both of them, that what he should emphasize to Mel that time. I know what he did was not from a ill intent of shadowing Viktor contribution or dismissing Viktor as co-founder, but his lack of action is what annoyed me. He brags about Viktor being his partner all the time even in front of the whole council (when they announce the notion to give zaun their independence), but when he actually sees how dismissive Mel towards Viktor he can't even correct her?. His political standing should not give him more power in hextech than Viktor is, aren't he the one said they're equals, partner?. His political standing is to protect hextech and regulate it so people do not misuse it, not to give him the greenlight to decide whatever he wants without Viktor input.

[therunnerwizard]

I can forgive Jayce for almost everything he has done to Viktor.

Breaking his promise and resurrecting Viktor without his consent? Cool, we do crazy things for love.

Being a classist asshole on the bridge scene? He was under political pressure and he did what he thought was the best, he also apologized right after so yeah, no issue.

Making weapons using hextech even after he knows how much Viktor despises the idea?, sure, yeah it's reckless but also he's on the council that time, he needs to protect his people.

Blasting Viktor's chest and killing him at the commune?, nvm, he promised mageViktor to stop Viktor, so it's necessary.

I can forgive him for almost everything but one scene.

The scene where Mel sidelined Viktor when they discuss how they should make weapons using hextech and Mel clearly said "The choice is yours" to Jayce ALONE and don't even ACKNOWLEDGE Viktor as co-founder of hextech, as if Viktor opinion doesn't matter.

Jayce should correct her on that, saying something like the choice will always be from both of them cause they're "partner", co-founders of hextech. But no, he doesn't correct her, he lets the notion that Viktor has no voice in their creation festering and I hate it.

[therunnerwizard]

I have never been in a fandom space where people hellbent to do whatever it takes to stir dramas

Like, searching ao3 fanfiction and do moral crusade because the fic is horrible and nasty but wait, -check notes- the fic was tagged properly, it's proship content, death dove don't eat kinda thing

And then demand the whole fandom take action against it? While most of us aren't even aware of the fic in the first place?

Claiming we all support the fic like we all working on it like some fucking big project?

You can't expect people to know every single problematic thing that happened in such a big fandom as this one. Freak people exist, they create freak stuff and as long as they keep it on their bubble it should be fine.

Also, they are kinda self-sustaining too, they have their own authors, artists, audiences. And always always tag their works properly

If you get jumpscare by their work then it's on you

Block them, mute them

How many times should people tell you to curate your own space, protect your own peace?

I even block a lot of big javik artist and author cause they also create for ships I don't like

While some of you really out did yourself by searching the fic just to condemn the whole fandom as racist, incel-rap3-enabler

[therunnerwizard]

I never trust a Jayce hardcore fan who hates any version of Viktor, might it be the og Viktor, mage Viktor, herland Viktor.

And vice versa, I can't trust you if you said you love Viktor but just see Jayce as his accessories for shipping.

How can you hate half of their soul?.

[therunnerwizard]

If Jayce really viewed Viktor merely as a "lab partner" he will left him alone in that astral plane to atone to his sin. No buts, no what ifs.

If hextech was still his dream, he will be back to Piltover and rebuild the city after the war. You won't let a mere "lab partner" tarnish your life long dream.

If his tendency of suicide force him to end it with Viktor, as in "he would love to go back, but that also imply he will let Viktor die alone, and he won't do that".

Why? Why can't he let his "lab partner" die alone? Aren't they just a co-worker? Mere colleague, strictly professional relationship?

While he has so much to fix? A city and reputation to rebuild, family, friend, and a woman he love waiting?

Oh, maybe because this "lab partner" is no longer just a "lab partner" but a "partner" partner?

Or maybe cause he finally realize that he don't want to bring magic to the world? All he want is his partner back.

He has no reason to stay, yet he did anyways.

If Jayce was truly a man of duty and honor, a man who knows what his obligation is, he will comeback to Piltover, his main goal is to stop Viktor, to broke the mind hive and he did it with Ekko's help. His obligation is to serve his people, as a councilor, as a man who invented hextech, he should be back, rebuild his city, secure the hextech, etc etc.

But he didn't come back, he stayed with Viktor cause he knew that all of these horror will not be happening if he just let Viktor die. Yet he can't let him die, not in this timeline, not in other timelines.

So no, he's not stayed out of duty or obligation. Cause he already achieve his objective, to stop Viktor and broke the mind hive.

He stay because he want to. Because it's Viktor he want to be with at the end of all these.

What part of "We finished this together" make you translate it into "I was forced to stay here, manipulated, brainwashed beyond my understanding that I need to die with Viktor, that's my obligation, that's my duty."

[therunnerwizard]

For a ship that widely and openly hated its kinda amazing that jayvik have 15k+ works on ao3, daily fanart wips, weekly and monthly vine.

I think people do connect with their story and want to create arts based on their interpretation of their relationship.

Cause you can't force an artist or writer to draw or write something that they don't care or relate to.

[therunnerwizard]

People are saying we turned the end of jayvik as a hurrah yaoi win rather than what its really mean which is Jayce sacrificing himself to finish what Viktor did.

Man...

We can't really enjoy anything at this point without getting backlash.

I mean it's still a win tho? We finally have them confessing to each other, finally finishing what they start together.

Viktor will not have the ability to do what he did without Jayce doing all that necromancy to him. If he just let Viktor die it will be it. Yet he can't, he can't let Viktor die, no matter how many timelines they doomed together, he will always choose to bring Viktor back to life. And just like that the circle continues.

They phrase it as if Viktor forced Jayce to stay, to take part in sacrificing himself to break the circle, but Viktor did not do such thing? He asked Jayce to leave, he was ready to die ALONE to atone to his sin. If you watch the scene closely you can see that the arcane tries to separate Jayce and Viktor TWICE. Yet Jayce swim forward grabs Viktor's hand and doesn't let go.

It was a conscious decision from Jayce part, that he chose to end it with Viktor. He chose to be there rather than go back to his mom, his friend, his people.

Does that make him selfish? Maybe. But should you blame Viktor for it? No, cause that was Jayce's decision to stay.

People then complain that we twist everything to romantic nuance. But since when sacrificing yourself - to or with- someone you love viewed as anything less romantic?

Aren't Jack from Titanic viewed as the most romantic man cause he sacrificed himself to save Rose?

Yet here they blame people for "reading too much into it" when watching a scene of two men dying together while embracing each other???

[therunnerwizard]

Thinking about how Viktor is the last missing variable for Jayce to complete his hextech research, to create magic and bring it to the world. To make his dream come true.

But, Viktor is also the last thing he wants to hold till the end of the time, cause at the end he realizes that he doesn't want to bring magic to the world, all he wants is his Viktor, by his side, cause Viktor is the magic he has been chasing his whole life. Viktor is his dream.

[therunnerwizard]

If they ever want to include Viktor and Jayce into the next spin-off it should be unravel like this:

Jayvik having their peaceful cottage-core life with 2 adopted cats when the trouble knocking on their door.

Viktor looking up to Jayce and reaches for his hand saying "Let's do this one more time as partners" with a smile on his face, Jayce brings Viktor hand to his mouth to kiss the ring he forge for them and says "As husbands." he replies

[therunnerwizard]

If we can agree that the sex between Mel and Jayce is not a manipulative move but a consenting and result of 7 years of yearning. In that case, we can also agree on Jayce choosing to be with Viktor at the end, not because of some pity or some self-righteousness bs but because he truly loves and wants to be with Viktor.

I think the fandom strips Jayce so much of his own agency that they think he cannot fall in love with 2 different people in his life, in which both love shapes him the way he is.

Jayce was in love with Mel, she is listed as his former lover in their official wiki page ffs. But people are still running their mouths, saying their sex scene is just a political manipulation move. Mel also genuinely grows fond of Jayce; she even warns Ambessa to not play around with Jayce. That Jayce is off-limits. While they both don't have canon lines saying they love each other, we can say so by observing how the character was animated, the underlines of their expression etc etc

And Jayce is in love with Viktor. I think the necromancy is enough reason to say that he cannot panthom live without Viktor. He chose to bring him back to life even without his consent, and by doing so, he doomed everyone else to their early grave. He chose to dust into cosmic matter rather than going back to his former life, going back to his people, his MOM, just to be with Viktor.

That "But you were never broken, Viktor. There is beauty in imperfections. They made you who you are. An inseparable piece of everything I admired about you." is the last nail in the coffin.

If that line was between m/f characters, their ship will be the most canon thing ever, even if the creator says it just a brother and sister love, no one will take that shit.

So, downplaying his ability to love and reducing it to he only can fall in love with one person his entire life is kind of an insult to Jayce as a complex character.

[therunnerwizard]

It's frustrating for me that jayvik canonly have those lines and still consider not canon by the majority of the fanbase??

"In all timelines, in all possibilities, only you can show me this." "You were never broken, Viktor. There is beauty in imperfections. They made you who you are. An inseparable piece of everything I admired about you." People will argue about how their actions towards each other lack the romantic nuance. It makes me wonder what "romantic" nuance we are looking for to make it canon? a kissing scene? a sex scene?

It also begs the question that if the kissing and sex scene happen under other influences, is it still considered romantic?

Cause what happened between Jayce and Viktor is the text book yearningtron1000. They doomed multiples timelines just to be together dammit, choosing to dust into cosmic matter, mingle themselves together in astral plane just because they can't help thinking of losing each other again.

Viktor really asks Jayce to go back, to leave him alone to deal with the aftermath. He gives Jacye the chance to come back as a hero, as the world's savior, but Jacye says, "Let's do this together" instead.

And people also said that Jayce decided to go with Viktor out of obligation? Cause he is the founder of Hextech he feels the responsibility to destroy it too, but wasn't it will be more beneficial for him to come back as a hero? If his obligation is to serve his people, he will choose to come back, to build and fix what Viktor has ruined with their Hextech. Yet this man chose to ascend into fabric of the universe cause he didn't give a damn about everyone else but Viktor.

Cause as he said, He thought he wanted to bring magic to the world, to help humanity through their Hextech, but in the end, all he wanted was his partner back. And since they're not doing all the science again, not building prototypes again, what does that "partner" imply? hmm??

So, whether you like it or not, they're the endgame, not because they chose to die together, but because they cannot live while the other is gone.

[therunnerwizard]

I need to get this out of my system.

Was reading a usual shipwar comment and someone says that Viktor is also manipulative to Jayce cause he persuaded him out of suicide to monopolize Jayce's hex tech research to himself, to make him feeling something of his old boring life. To give him a purpose.

If Viktor really thinks that he can monopolize the research by himself, all he needs is to stole it and go back to zaun. He was smart enough to come out with the hex core, figuring the initial way the hex tech work might take him months but he can do it by himself.

But he didn't did he? He persuaded Jayce out of suicide cause he believe in him, Viktor put himself as a coreteral, his title as assistant of the dean, his long journey from undercity to where he was. He was betting on a lost dog, if he-they- failed he risks being exiled, all his hard work will be gone. He will be back becoming just a cripple from the undercity.

With that many things to lose, I don't think his action of persuading Jayce out of suicide is a manipulative move.

[hatedbyiife]

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