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@tobi-smp

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here's a new pinned post that I'll probably flesh out later

my name is ray ! I also go by tobi, card, or luigi ! I made this blog for minecraft smp related content (and I Will probably still interact with that from time to time), but I've taken a step back from that after many Many controversies and allegations from that space.

for now ! this will be a multi-fandom blog ^^ where I put my thoughts and spam people with one million images in a row as needs be.

this is my old pinned for posterity [Link] (I simply put too much work into it for people to not be able to find it)

in light of current discourse, I’d like to address an issue that I’ve seen a few people bring up. No, dream isn’t technically a serial killer, as while he has Murdered multiple people it wasn’t in a pattern. rather a more accurate term would be Mass Murderer

one of the first things dream ever did in lore was organize and execute a mass murder, wherein the most number of lives lost in a single event on the server occurred and has yet to be passed.

However, I would like to offer to the court the fact that dream had Overtly Stated to tommy that he had intentions to kill people so that he could experiment with the revival book. and while typical assessments of what makes a serial killer verses your every day murderer don’t include discussions on magic or intentions for revival, I Do Think that this experimentation would count as a definable pattern to the murders if it could come to pass. with the first of these being Ghostbur’s Death in service of Wilbur’s Revival.

so my assessment is that c!dream is a mass murderer Aspiring To Be a serial killer, thank you for your time.

@stellocchia said: wouldn’t tommy’s death itself count as the first death if he were to start experimenting? [end transcription]

that’s a good point and one that I considered ! however, while I’m certain that dream had considered the Possibilities of experimentation before he knew that the revival book was real, I don’t think he was willing to risk until it was confirmed for sure. tommy’s death was more likely a Crime Of Passion because dream felt insecure when he felt the power he had over tommy was slipping. the primary goal was the prove a point, not the experimentation itself. though he Absolutely got the idea from what he did to tommy and had Threatened to do it to him.

the scary thing is that we technically don’t know whether he did or not. nobody was watching and it wouldn’t be the first time that tommy repressed memories of the things that dream did to him. if we didn’t have the vods to see what happened in exile then how much would we know about it based on what tommy’s told us?

WE DID IT FOLKS

LAZARBEAM, VIKK, TOMMY, AND GHOSTBUR ALL KNOWINGLY MURDERED FOR TESTING THE REVIVAL BOOK (and can’t forget him stalking tommy with the threat of death and revival and death and revival and death an-)

WE’VE GOT OUR PATTERN WHICH MEANS WE’VE GOT OUR SERIAL KILLER!!!!!

this is still one of if not The best posts I’ve ever made

I just found out that you can see the operator Physically Reaching Out towards jay at the end of 80 so now all of you have to know too Happy Halloween

#marble hornets #slenderverse #spoilers

it’s not a ctommy summer without ctubbo

can I be real for a moment, I got out of high school and that was it for me. no binder no bra no bralette sports bra whatever the hell, and you could not pay me to go back. getting squeezed sucks unfathomable amounts of ass

all the power in the world to my trans brothers that find joy from binding, it should always be an option available to Anyone who wants it. but I simply cannot fault anyone who chooses not to, myself included cause god Damn

I DO genuinely find it commendable that there's so much overt queer representation in overwatch, but I don't think I'll ever get over them queercoding a fat leather daddy and his dirty twink for half a decade then deciding they had to stop talking to each other once it came time to canonize their queer characters For Real

it's been a bit over a year since I finally finished this thing, and the reception has been genuinely CRAZY to me. I still get comments on it regularly from people watching the musical for the first time and that's SO SO COOL... especially since I was never well known (or known at all) in the fandom beforehand

I put my soul into this thing and watched it every day for a month straight when I finished it, so ! if you've never seen be more chill maybe give it a go ?

alex marblehornets 🤝 techno "technoblade" blade stringing the protagonist along in a horrible act of betrayal, not out of hatred but because some part of them is Desperate to believe they can be happy together, that their lives have the chance to intertwine, even though they know there's no hope

and the anger that replaces that desperation when it all finally falls through

bigots in the queer community not comprehending that there's nothing less queer than a bigot

What's the Hobbit fan-cut called because I've for a long time thought that there's enough there with the existing movies that if someone did some creative remixing, it would make a nice popcorn movie. I wanna see how other people have done it to test this theory.

from what I've seen there's a few different attempts ! but the one I've watched was the m4 studios hobbit book edit ! [Link]

it cuts down the trilogy into one extended-edition sized movie ! specifically with the goal of taking out everything that isn't book-accurate

the editing is honestly Very impressive, especially with how much needed to be done with the battle of five armies to make it book-compliant. I'd really say there were only a few places where the editing is quite evident, but not enough to take you out of the movie !

like I said, I actually really enjoy the movies additions, and found myself missing them while watching the cut down version (though it Did inspire me to watch the extended editions, which is how I exclusively watch the movies now jfklsadlk)

BUT, if you've tried watching the hobbit trilogy and bounced off of it, I'd honestly suggest giving this a try ! a friend of mine Really liked it, and I really enjoyed and appreciated the experience myself <3

you can even download box art and print off your own disk to add it to a physical collection !

need gandalf and bilbo fanart like this

honestly, I'm glad that I watched that fan-cut of the hobbit that tried to make it completely book accurate, because it Really made be appreciate the movie original content even more. that intro with baby bilbo and the cute little interaction with him and frodo are SO sweet

and on the ONE hand, a part of me really enjoys (and misses) that sweeter aspect of book bilbo where he always seems jovial and polite by default, but the way they Play a grumpier bilbo is SO endearing it's hard to be mad at. the old man grunts and body language Especially

"well of Course this minority group deserves to be degraded all the time, they Never face any real discrimination unlike Me" - person who spends all day every day discriminating against said minority group

it’s also interesting to me the amount of people who saw the idea of paedophilia in the story as bad because Writing About Immoral Things Is Bad and not, y’know, the IRL implications (because. while it’s not impossible for art about CSA to be made ethically it’s not happening around mr “age of consent jokes about my uncomfortable teenage friend are the height of comedy” dream). like the issue isn’t that CSA Is Weird And Icky it's that the server wasn’t a safe space for that story to be told. because. of prior inappropriate action from the adults. and also the No Regulation Nightmare Zone that’s online entertainment but that’s a whole other rant. like again it’s not even a “this would be a failure of safety” thing half the time it’s just “ew conflict” being applied to a situation where it’s extremely inappropriate to act like that’s the problem.

context: [Link]

no yeah YEAH exactly.

like, the play was Always "well Obviously c!dream isn't an obsessive abuser, which means that if You're making him one it's because YOU want to see content of an adult obsessing over a teenager" with the implication being that someone could Only be compelled by art depicting that sort of abuse for their own sexual gratification

and it was SO insidious, because it was Both a silencing tactic (shifting the goal of the conversation from asserting Basic Facts about the story over to defending your own reputation and personhood) AND an attempt to get the people they wanted to shut up ostracized from the community as a whole, a tactic that they pulled All The Time

which is SO unbelievably slimey, Especially when taken with what'd happen later (excusing Real Life child exploitation, and abuse within their own community).

and like, I agree. there's no reality where the smp would've been an appropriate or Safe environment to explore csa or sexual abuse, and nobody was expecting it to.

but it's just. this implication that exploring child abuse, or sexual abuse, through art is Inherently gratifying. that it's a taboo not just because the subject matter is Difficult, but because the Only reason anyone would engage with it at all is to get off on it. the idea that it could be cathartic for victims of abuse to explore their feelings, or see their experiences taken seriously, never seems to occur to them. or that someone could just have Empathy for characters that experience abuse and come out of the other side of a difficult piece of art feeling like they understand the suffering real people experience better.

and it's Really clear that it's just because they never cared, they just saw it as a convenient weapon to use against fans who liked the characters "wrong." they didn't like the fact that their little googoo bear was a child abuser serial killer, so they decided they'd call everyone pedophiles (or "suspicious" if they were cowards) until it went away (which, of course, it never did)

and MAYBE if they ever Did take the time explore the emotional experience of being groomed they Would've taken it seriously when it actually mattered. because when the dream allegations and the wilbur allegations came out Suddenly the implications didn't matter anymore

I think the dream smp had a shockingly evocative depiction of non-sexual grooming that featured an adult with an unhealthy attachment towards a teenager. and that it's honestly Natural that victims of grooming would be drawn to this depiction, Especially during covid when people were using streamers as a supplement for emotional fulfillment when they Couldn't see their friends in person.

and like. I Both think it's sort of natural for victims to want to explore their feelings about their csa through a story like that, A N D that it's utterly fucking ridiculous that dream apologists spent years Insisting that people only saw these characters' relationship as abusive because they just want an excuse to depict pedophilia

it's not inherently sexual to depict child abuse or grooming, but it's also valid to explore the experiences of being a victim through art. why did anyone trust tumblr teenagers and 20 year olds with nuance in 2020

#dsmp #dream situation #discourse #monologuing about the dream smp in 2026

I've mentioned it off-handedly a few times, but we all know about incredibly plausible reading of c!dream manipulating wilbur into killing himself in pogtopia because he was jealous right?

he intentionally enabled Both wilbur And schlatt while Also trying to prove to tommy that he's his friend, but Only when noone's watching

giving Tommy Specifically a chest full of items (more than he gave techno), addressing the "tyrant" book to tommy [Link], participating in the pet wars even After he said he couldn't associate with pogtopia and even when it was Against sapnap, saying he isn't friends with tommy when they're in front of other people and then hanging out once they're alone

conversely, not stepping in when schlatt violated the rules of the treaty between l'manberg and the wider smp (something we know Full Well he didn't actually care about) and instead seeking out a partnership with schlatt, enabling wilbur with the tnt, intentionally sowing doubt and paranoia with the lie about there being a traitor in pogtopia, Causing that paranoia in the first place by using eret's betrayal to hurt them (he never Needed eret to push that button, he could've blown up l'manberg himself, but it was the psychological aspect that mattered), the way he CHEERED when wilbur blew the place up, the way he happily told tommy that wilbur was the traitor when he was gone

c!dream being jealous of wilbur's relationship with tommy is so So very possible, especially considering he's shown to be more than willing to kill to keep people away from tommy after

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Oh yeah, I forgot this wasn’t like The Take on that.

c!Dream wanted what c!Wilbur had. He wanted power, he wanted respect, he wanted friendship, and specifically he wanted these things as they related to c!Tommy. I know I joke about brothers (derogatory) a lot- but what c!Dream wanted WAS to be c!Wilbur to c!Tommy. He might have not necessarily wanted to be his brother specifically (though I think it’s very likely he did- his whole motivation is wanting a big happy family and it’s not like his obsession with c!Tommy exists separately to his many other obsessions- obsessions over control, over being loved, over never being alone, ect.) but he wanted to replace c!Wilbur, and he wanted to do that Forever.

I mean, he literally attempted to kill Ghostbur later on to make sure he was the only sort of mentorly figure that c!Tommy had to guide him anymore. And I don’t think it’s a stretch to see c!Dream's behaviour in Exile as a deliberate mimicking of c!Wilbur's in a lot of ways- only much, much worse. While he does have a genuine, albeit very warped, sort of brotherly love to c!Tommy, he also sees him as both an entertaining experiment and as a tool to be used. It’s very much an exaggeration of the worst ways c!Wilbur would lash out and neglect c!Tommy, but fully intentional and cruel. He’s not poking and prodding out of a need for validation, he’s doing it to break c!Tommy.

Hell, even Logstedshire can be compared to the ravines of Pogtopia in a lot of ways. c!Dream's relationship with c!Tommy is very much a twisted, incredibly dark mirror of c!Wilbur's relationship with c!Tommy- very much what it could have been if c!Wilbur had truly been the sort of villain he saw himself as- and I don’t think that’s unintentional. I mean, it’s almost certainly a deliberate writing choice to a degree, yes, but I mean in-universe. I think it’s very probable c!Dream is trying very hard to mimic c!Wilbur to get c!Tommy to be as unhealthily attached to him as he was his brother, and the fact c!Wilbur Being Alive was an obstacle in that means he’d be a target.

It’s also very similar to why he targets c!Tubbo, and his relationship with c!Tommy is a twisted reflection of c!Clingy too, but that’s for another day.

LITERALLY LITERALLY LITERALLY

like, when l'manberg emancipated it was in land that had never been claimed by dream. they didn't take resources that dream couldn't have anymore, they didn't take land from him

what wilbur took was People. dream wanted what wilbur had. and what wilbur had Was A Family.

it's not Just that dream got wilbur out of the way to get to tommy. it's that dream wanted to Be wilbur. wanted to Be the general that tommy respected, wanted to Be the brother that tommy would follow to the ends of the earth and back.

but he didn't know How to do that through love, and importantly he didn't want to lose the control necessary that Vulnerability requires. so he used what he Did know. pain and control.

I think a lot about the disc war finale. about dream trying to use his friendship with tommy as a reason to keep him alive and only resorting to telling him about wilbur and the revival book when that Failed.

the whole point was that he was using people's greatest attachments against them, and he'd been so hoping that he was able to replace what wilbur was for tommy. And He'd Failed.

a failure that stung worse than losing the fight, a truer sign of loss than tommy killing him

A thing that I think is interesting to note about this that I think lends even more credibility to this take is seeing what finally convinced Dream to actually bring Wilbur back, and that was that Tommy didn't want him back anymore.

When Tommy came back he begged Dream not to bring Wilbur back, but a detail that people unfortunately seem to forget is that he specifically stated that Wilbur at that moment was the worse option for him between the two.

And I'm actually gonna refresh everyone's memory on the exact quote Tommy used in the revival stream:

“Do NOT bring back Wilbur. Ever! Promise me you’ll never do that, alright? Dream, Dream, you are nothing, you’re nothing, you’re fine Dream! We can be friends if you don’t bring him back! You’re not even- all the tragedies you’ve done-”

Of course, Dream's answer to that plea was a straight-up refusal. (“It’s not up to you. It’s up to me because I- I have that control”). And we know from one of the streams with Sam trapped in prison that this is exactly why he brought Wilbur back. Because he thought that, by then, Wilbur's presence would hurt Tommy the most. He thought he'd won out.

After all, for Tommy to offer his friendship as long as Wilbur stayed dead... well, why would he think otherwise?

a side note: this is also Exactly why I truly do think there was something retconned about tommy's stay with wilbur in limbo. even in a moment of panic, no matter how horrible limbo itself is, to have tommy say that wilbur was WORSE than dream says So So Much.

it's not a simple matter of fear or anger, there was something done or said that made tommy see wilbur as Dangerous and we just simply won't ever know what that was meant to be. it's one of the many reasons why I wish the creators would go over the full list of dropped plot points.

because obviously wilbur Wasn't intended to be this huge imposing villain post revival. but there was obviously an intent to make us think he was.

but back on topic fjklasdkljafsd

excellent Excellent point stell. dream can Claim that he wanted wilbur to break him out, but even if wilbur Had spontaneously become a super villain there was absolutely no shot that he'd ever have the ability.

for all that wilbur had Influence that influence never came from like. Material Skill. it was his ideals that people latched onto. Words Over Weapons makes all the sense in the world from someone who was rather shit with weapons.

and more to the point, dream Never would have revived wilbur if he thought that wilbur was capable of taking tommy away from him. if he had Any intention of letting wilbur anywhere Near the server again before this point then why not use his revival to try to barter for his freedom right away?

he could've offered to bring wilbur back in exchange for his freedom that very first visit with tommy, he could've offered it after months of torture. But He Doesn't. he doesn't even Consider It, doesn't Mention It, until tommy's told him in no uncertain terms that he doesn't want it to happen.

it'd make no sense if dream had seriously considered reviving wilbur as an option before. but it makes all the sense in the World in this context.

(I Do also enjoy the fan content where tommy Pretended to be afraid of wilbur to trick dream into reviving him. tapping into This Exactly.)

To your point at the beginning, I think the very existence of the fan content where Tommy pretended to be scared and of the whole theory of "Ghostbur is actually cWilbur bathed in sharpie now" talks volume about the tone dissonance there was between cTommy's reaction to meeting cWilbur in Limbo and Revivedbur.

And I'm gonna go further and say that I think the retcon possibly happened after cWilbur's actual revival stream because of how genuinely horrified all of Bench Trio was at it.

And, don't get me wrong here, post-revival cWilbur was still a major dick, especially to cTommy (I'm still not over him listening to cTommy tell him about getting beaten to death in prison by cDream on top of the hotel roof and just... ignoring all of that to call cDream a hero some more. Like... we don't talk enough about how messed up that was), and he did end up getting cRanboo killed (and yes, their death was on cWilbur's hands, he literally rigged the explosives).

But he was nowhere near being a bigger danger than cDream.

That said, I like to interpret that as cWilbur doing what he's done best since Pogtopia while they were dead and playing on all of cTommy's fears that he undoubtedly still knew oh so well because of the whole "seeing cTommy as an extension of himself" thing which makes him think that cTommy deserves all the suffering he thinks he does thing.

Regardless, at the moment of Tommy's revival his fear definitely impacted cDream's decision making going forward because cWilbur was no longer a threat. And, from a certain point of view, it wasn't even a wrong way of thinking on his part because cWilbur did end up leaving without cTommy, removing himself entirely and leaving the Big Brother™ position up for grabs AND leaving cTommy more vulnerable than ever.

So, truly, if they'd been a bit more competent with the finale, we could have had a tragic ending of cDream getting exactly what he wanted all along without, you know, the cringy "cTommy apologizing because cDream is human too :(" that we got. What a waste of a wonderful setup for a great tragedy

I’ve spoken before on why I think the prison was built for tommy, but I just wanna take a moment to talk about why I Don’t think it was designed for technoblade

for the sake of argument lets say that you’re mr wastaken, the dust has settled with the revolution only for a surprise in the elections (that you’d been pushing for but ultimately couldn’t cause by yourself) to up-heave everything and put you in a more advantageous position when Suddenly the techno “The Blade” blade joins the server.

it’s hot off of the heels of your duel with the man, and while one fight in one specific circumstance doesn’t indicate how every outcome between you two would end it Does leave you with a respect for his abilities and fear of what he could do if put on the other side of a conflict from you. so you gather up supplies to meet him in a show of good will and it goes about as well as you could hope. you establish each other as a respectful neutral ground and open up possibilities for a future relationship.

you follow the conflict for a while, trying to ride that line between pulling strings and never showing your hand while you try to work around unknowns to lead to Both parties’ destruction without placing blame on yourself.

technoblade is there of course, but he’s not in it for the same reasons that his partners are, that comes to an obvious head. technoblade wants anarchy, the complete destruction of organized system of governments. and while his ideals of total freedom are counter to your end goal, they’re tantalizingly relevant to the means with which you want to achieve that end.

there’s paranoia in the ranks of the pogtopians, about loyalty and about trust, and schlatt already sowed the seeds for that distrust to specifically center technoblade. so you press on that fracture, encouraging it to splinter, with a rumor about spies that sends people scrabbling to find people they can trust, encouraging pogtopia to fracture under the surface while you try to enable wilbur to succeed in manberg’s destruction.

the moment finally arrives, schlatt is dead and the people leftover are just about ready to start licking their wounds and rebuilding stronger. you stoke the anger you already know techno is going to be feeling, you taunt and push him in private where no one else can see and that fracture finally flourishes into a break. it goes better than you ever could’ve imagined.

wilbur dead, schlatt dead, the country torn apart, the children and young adults left alone, and techno runs off hanging an arrow over Both of their heads as he promises to destroy them again if they rebuild. pulling attention squarely away from you as the paranoia that’d been seeded and bloomed in pogtopia is allowed to grow and flourish in new l'manberg.

you and technoblade were technically on opposite sides of the war but you were on the same Ideological side in the end and you know that matters more. you both cheered when l'manberg burned, and you were allowed to get away with it because technoblade was louder.

the first thing you do after the dust settles is pick up your plan to separate and isolate tommy from the remnants of l'manberg by trying to frame him. your ultimate goal here is to get tommy away and get a hold of the discs so you can destroy the now purposeless l'manberg once and for all while you build your attachments museum to try to control the people that’ll scatter in the aftermath.

technoblade now lives in the woods out of everyone’s way, isolated and (as far as you know) ally-less. based on everything that has happened up until this point, what are the odds that you read him as a threat that has to take priority right now? so much so that you commission a prison the day After tommy’s exile, the main moving piece of your main plan for your main goal?

Theoretically you could, perhaps, be worried about the potential of technoblade identifying you as a threat once everyone else has been crushed, when you’re allowed to take your role as the unquestioned leader of the server. after all, techno is an anarchist and presumably doesn’t see you as the threat that he should Because you haven’t gained the power you think you ought to have.

and maybe we could even say that the seeds of a god complex are slowly budding inside of you as you work towards your goal of getting that control. maybe you’re Bitter that you have to be careful around technoblade, that technoblade was strong enough to beat you in Any context, even if you Could use that to your advantage in an alliance. maybe your ego matters more because you think you can do it alone.

so lets assume for one moment that dream Did design and commission the prison specifically for technoblade. and now you have the conundrum of trying to find some way to get techno in there.

techno has all of his lives and all of the free time in the world to stockpile and train and build up his sanctuary that you haven’t dared to step foot in, careful to avoid stepping on toes before the shoe has dropped.

you keep your eyes and ears open, you learn that new l'manberg intends to try to kill technoblade. this should be perfect, this should be fate itself lining up to hand you exactly what you need. new l'manberg will leave techno vulnerable, maybe even Kill him, and you can swoop in with an advantage you never could’ve gotten anywhere else, fully armored standing against a weaponless techno.

the perfect and Only opportunity to march him to an impenetrable prison. you could even frame it as you doing l'manberg a favor, lean even Harder into the manipulation you’re pulling on tubbo. you might even gain favor with the members that’ve been more openly suspicious and hostile towards you.

but you don’t do that, do you? you approach technoblade directly and warn him about what’s to come. you lead him towards the one item that’d guarantee that he’d get away without losing a life and you swoop in to save him in person. you give him just enough for him to escape, just enough to not incriminate yourself, and you gain both a favor and a reinforcement of your ally-ship with him.

what you’ve set up now is a mutual relationship wherein you’ll both stand together against l'manberg Rather Than getting him out of the way. who are people that you’re fully confident in your own ability to destroy, in your own words they only still existed because you wanted something from them. their leader is weak, the only person that gave them value is in your hands, and the most spit-fire among them is the weakest of them all in your opinion. and your favor is? going to do what?

how does this set you up at an advantage if your ultimate goal, something that you consider a priority nearly on par with tommy’s exile, is to get technoblade into the prison? are you going to use the favor to ask him to walk in? hey techno, can you scrub the floors of this high security prison I just have laying around without any weapons or armor and without telling anyone where you’re going? thanks <3

not only does technoblade have value as a willing asset to dream in a way that practically nobody else does (maybe only second to punz), but the logistics of his actions leading up to and during hog hunt are Not consistent with trying to catch techno while he’s vulnerable and haul him away to a maximum security lock box.

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Just adding, but the prison was not built for c!Tommy, as clarified in the Final Disc War by c!Dream himself as you can see here (time stamp 52:15)

https://youtu.be/sYWs7zme-eI

I’m well aware of what dream said, I don’t think he was telling the truth. it wouldn’t be the first or last time that dream lied and it wouldn’t even be the only thing that dream lied about During the disc war finale.

(dream didn’t just want tubbo dead because he wasn’t useful to him anymore, he has a prison for that, one that he was already taking tommy to. and barring that he wasn’t beyond locking people up in the attachments museum to control people. he had henry, he had the discs, surely tubbo was useful by the very nature of tommy’s attachment to him. there was no reason to kill tubbo unless there was an ulterior motive. moreover, dream should know more than anyone that the server had attachment and chaos before tommy joined. he intentionally cut those attachments away after all.)

dream as a character rarely gives the flat out truth, especially not to Tommy. he’ll often show tommy his true colors in a way that he won’t for other characters, but he has a vested interest in controlling tommy. people throw around the word “gaslighting” a lot, but dream’s treatment of tommy in exile is right on the money for the Real definition, in trying to make someone doubt their own perception of reality so you can control what they believe and what they feel.

in my opinion, dream doesn’t want tommy to know that tommy is His attachment because that give tommy power over him even when he has literally nothing else. we know that dream thinks of tommy as fun, and we know that the image of an idealized past that he used to justify his actions during the disc war finale just did not exist. that the importance that he placed on tommy did not exist. it was the same with doomsday, he told tommy that the server would be at peace now but when pressed about Why he did what he did the answer that he had was that it was more Fun to do it this way. that it was fun to hurt everyone and make tommy watch.

it’s interesting, because he makes these almost token efforts to try to obscure his attachment to tommy only to give away his hand with the slightest provocation. and he seems to Genuinely believe that tommy already feels that attachment, that tommy understands the fun dream has with him. chips down, his life on the line, and dream tries to convince tommy that they’re Friends and that they have Fun. not that he could fix the server or bring whatever peace he supposedly wants to go back to, but that he’s as important to tommy as tommy is to him because they’re both in on the game.

so no, I don’t take his word for it when he says it. especially not with how much evidence to the contrary there is. like I said, I’ve already talked about this before [Link 1, Link 2, Link 3], but to go over it again

1: exile was premeditated. dream griefed half the server trying to frame tommy Specifically to whip people up into a frenzy and confront tommy just days after the 16th. it was only after that didn’t bare fruit that dream latched onto tommy burning george’s house, which george didn’t have any say or agency in.

2: exile was unlawful imprisonment if not outright kidnapping. dream didn’t want anyone to be able to visit tommy and actively scared away and sabotaged people who tried. he didn’t want tommy to run away and threatened to kill him first and then hunted him down second. none of this is consistent with what a real exile should look like and certainly not what’d been agreed upon in court.

3: dream commissioned the prison the Second Day of tommy’s exile, which means he’d had the idea for longer. which means he had the idea While He Was Actively Trying To Kidnap Tommy.

4: Multiple Times throughout exile he told tommy that he was going to be stuck with dream forever. he straight up said Multiple Times that tommy would never go back, that he and tommy were going to be together for “a while.” and this didn’t end in exile, far from it. on top of the obsidian grid, when we Know that dream was planning on putting tommy in pandora’s vault, he looked him in the face and said that their story would never be over because tommy was too fun. and again, when he finally proved that the revival worked how he hoped it would he loudly declared that he and tommy would be immortal Together Forever.

that was the end goal, dream wanted tommy to himself Forever. that’s why he orchestrated exile, that’s why he wanted tommy in pandora’s vault, that’s why he wanted the revival book. dream told tommy that exile was his own fault just the same as he denied his initial reason for creating the prison

5a: pandora’s vault itself, for two reasons. first, the cell doesn’t offer any protection to the visitor, which seems odd if the whole point is to contain someone that dream thought was Dangerous enough to warrant the cell. technoblade nearly killed quackity by pushing him in lava and quackity was Armed when visitors shouldn’t be. if dream wanted to visit a caged lion then he’d put precautions in place to protect himself from the teeth, but he didn’t.

5b: pandora’s vault was Intentionally designed with tommy’s triggers in mind, both from what dream would’ve seen before tommy was exiled and from things that dream planned on doing To tommy in exile. people argue about whether or not this was intentional in character but we Know that it was intentional from the cc’s perspectives, and we have to ask Why that would be if it wasn’t meant to mean anything. the blackstone, the claustrophobia, the potatoes, “put your things in the hole tommy,” the lava, the lack of sunlight, etc etc etc.

6: if dream Had an answer for who the prison was really for that Wasn’t tommy then he could have given it to sam when he was accusing him. dream was trying to bargain for his own life and his own free will during that argument, sam thinking the prison was built for tommy was to dream’s detriment. if he could tell sam that he’d intended it for Technoblade he’d at least be able to tell sam it was for one of his enemies. anything but the child that sam was so attached to (that dream Knew that sam was attached to, that he was already trying to exploit that attachment to in that conversation). but he said nothing, he had nothing to say to counter it.

7: it’s pandora’s Vault. a vault is made to hold your precious valuables, and tommy stands as dream’s only and strongest attachment.

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It’s just not something that would make sense to lie about, specially in the situation they were in. Why would c!Dream lie about having build the prison? What advantage would he get out of lying??

Actually, if you actually think about it, outright saying the prison was for c!Tommy would be a much more efficient way to make him afraid. And about the “oh the prison was made with c!Tommy’s triggers in mind”, like it’s a prison, it’s supposed to be a confined space, and in Minecraft specially, you can’t really make an inescapable prison without lava, it’s just logical. You also mentioned that c!Dream didn’t want anyone visiting c!Tommy during exile but. He got visitors, multiple times actually, damn, even Lazerbeam (I don’t know how to write his name) visited him, even Drista visited him!

Also let’s not forget that c!Dream was being, you know, tortured and c!Sam is very much his abuser, so I think it’s quite illogical to expect c!Dream to go like “Well Sam you see the prison wasn’t actually built for c!Tommy” when that would make c!Sam very mad.

And I see you’re going with the “oh yeah c!Dream (an adult) wants c!Tommy (a teenager) to himself” path and I personally find this weird as fuck, so I will cut this conversation here, have a good rest of your day!

it’s not fucking cute for dream apologists to “imply” that people directly acknowledging what happened in the story are being creepy or unsettling while refusing to acknowledge how that reflects on c!dream as a person.

is it creepy and unsettling for a grown man to be obsessed with a teenager? is it? okay, then tell me why dream was making tunnels to connect their houses, hiding in his walls, actively stalking him, to the point that other characters Noticed and Commented on it back during the original Disc Wars before l’manberg.

tell me why dream singled tommy out when he declared war on l’manberg, addressing tommy first and associating l’manberg itself with being childish, when Wilbur was the president. why dream specifically Chose to kill tommy in the final control room Instead Of Wilbur (the chests were labeled, he had Punz kill wilbur, he went for tommy intentionally). tell me why he accepted the duel for l’manberg’s freedom when he’d already won, tell me why he accepted the trade for the discs when he’d won the war And the duel.

tell me why he messaged tommy and Only tommy when he and wilbur were exiled asking if he was okay, tell me why he delivered tommy a chest of supplies and left a handwritten note sucking up to him about how great l’manberg was to convince tommy that he was on his side and was his friend when we knew from his own mouth that he never respected l’manberg’s freedom or it’s status as a nation at all. tell me why he happily betrayed his long time friend’s trust to help tommy in a petty war, giving tommy access to mars when he hadn’t even asked for it and fighting in the war with him after he’d Explicitly said that he couldn’t risk people seeing him openly partner with pogtopia in the note he’d left for tommy. tell me why he denied ever being on tommy’s side in front of other people when he switched to join schlatt in exchange for the revival book, but he Happily helped tommy get supplies days before the war that he was fighting Against tommy when tommy was alone. tell me why he made eye contact with tommy and Laughed when tommy turned down the presidency because he had unfinished business.

tell me why on the 18th, Two Days after wilbur’s death when dream Already Had the revival book, dream spent an hour Actively trying to frame tommy for griefs all over the server Specifically With The Intention of getting people to confront tommy over it. [Link] and when that failed to get the results that he wanted he took control over the situation when tommy griefed george’s house (none of it coming to even a Fraction of what dream had done trying to frame him) when george himself didn’t even know what dream was trying to do. why dream made an entire Speech about Control Over Tommy being the literal Only Thing that he wants or cares about. tell me why he sought out control over tommy Over keeping his long time friends that he’d known longer when tommy Was Intentionally Staying Out Of The Way. when tommy had rejected presidency And vice presidency. why he prioritized Tommy over any of the Actual cabinet members.

tell me why he lead tommy to a specific location and told him that he had to stay there or he’d die. tell me why he told tommy that he wasn’t allowed anywhere that civilization had been touched when the rules of his exile should By Law only include l’manberg and greater smp (meaning the badlands, manifoldland, techno’s cabin, mexican l’manberg/el rapids, hell even little penis island All should’ve been fair game for tommy to go to (sidenote: au where tommy moved into little penis island during exile. I don’t think it would’ve been better but it would’ve been funnier)). tell me why he was watching tommy, why he was visiting him every day, why he was creating arbitrary rules that he was forcing tommy to follow at the threat and Action Of physical abuse when absolutely None of that was discussed in court and no one was there to see what he was doing to tommy.

tell me why he told sam he wasn’t Allowed to follow them because he wasn’t allowed to know where tommy’s exile location was when sam wanted to give tommy pie. tell me why he intercepted and destroyed the mail that ranboo left for tommy Multiple Times, with ranboo having to change the location of where he kept them in fear of dream stopping communication again. tell me why badboyhalo seemed Scared to be caught visiting tommy, why he felt the need to hide that he was giving tommy presents for fear of what dream would do to him. tell me why dream Lied to tubbo when tubbo asked about tommy, when he told tubbo that tommy didn’t want any visitors to stop him from seeing tommy. tell me why he Straight Up Murdered mexican dream when md said he was going to move in to logstedshire, why the thought of tommy having permanent company that wasn’t his lead dream to taking three canon lives and sending someone to limbo.

tell me why he went out of his way to convince tommy that nobody else cared about him, that he was the only friend that tommy had and that maybe that was Always true. why he told tommy about how much better everyone was doing when he was gone, why he lied to tommy when he asked if tubbo had asked about him, why he encouraged people engage in the physical abuse he’d been doing with tommy and Laughing about it. tell me why he allowed tommy to throw a party specifically the goal of sabotaging the invitations so only he comes, why he took the opportunity to send ghostbur to melt in the snow so tommy wouldn’t even have the ghost of his dead brother as company. tell me why he specifically lied about handing tubbo the invitation on purpose so tommy would Know that tubbo chose not to come rather than it being an accident, tell me why he lied about tubbo intentionally destroying his “your tommy” compass so tommy would well and truly believe that tubbo hated him. tell me why he said “it’s not like they want you anyways” verbatim.

tell me why he actively tried to convince tommy that he was his friend while he was isolating and abusing him. why he presented himself as a savior figure at the party and spent the night giving him gifts and playing with him after so thoroughly convincing tommy that nobody loved him. tell me why he was telling tommy that he didn’t hate him while he was hauling him out of l’manberg, why he lied about having destroyed his things the second time he did while insisting that they were Friends. tell me why he tried to Convince tommy that they were having fun even while he was hitting tommy every day, even while he Openly knew that tommy was suicidal.

tell me why he physically abused tommy, mentally abused tommy, emotionally abused tommy, why he gaslit him, why he isolated him, why he stole his things and made him helpless so he’d be Dependent on him. tell me why he kept tommy in a death grip when tommy had already been stripped of everything and had no one else to rely on.

tell me why he reacted the way that he did when he found the chests. tell me why he destroyed everything tommy had, why he killed tommy’s only food source, why he destroyed tommy’s nether portal, why he told tommy he wasn’t allowed to have any more visitors at all, why he told tommy he had to start over again, why he told tommy that he would Never kill himself, all over a couple of chests that we Never see him say tommy wasn’t allowed to have on screen. tell me why when he visited punz that day he said he’d be checking back soon because he Knew how far he was pushing tommy, how he nearly said that he wanted to make sure that tommy was still under his control but backed out when he realized what he was about to let slip.

tell me why he hunted tommy down when he ran away, going to techno’s house Twice and confronting them at the portal. tell me why he was so invested in getting the other disc in the first place when he’d Fully said that the only value he had in them was as tools to control tommy. tell me why he kept l’manberg around after the end of the manberg v pogtopia arc SOLELY because tubbo had one of the discs in his enderchest and dream knew he had to manipulate tubbo to get it.

tell me why he declared doomsday after he got his hands on the discs. tell me why the confrontation on top of the obsidian grid happened. tell me why there was Zero hesitation when he told tommy that he hurt l’manberg instead of just burning the discs because it was more Fun that way (confirming that it Was a way to punish tommy). tell me why he told tommy that their story was never going to be over while he had possession of the revival book and while his prison was being completed.

tell me why he built a shrine of Gold in his attachments museum for the discs. tell me why he bothered keeping attachments of tommy’s in the attachments museum when he fully intended on getting tommy out of the way. tell me why dream said in Explicit Words that tommy was the most important person on the server, that he brought attachment to the server, that he brought chaos to the server, that he was the Key to controlling the entire server. tell me why he elevated tommy’s importance to justify Keeping Him Forever, in those Exact Explicit Words, in pandora’s vault with the use of the revival book. tell me why he Specifically told tommy to bring tubbo to the disc war finally Just so he could kill tubbo in front of tommy when tubbo wasn’t “useful” anymore, despite the fact that he had a whole ass prison with multiple cells that he could’ve kept tubbo in. despite the fact that he had no problem throwing skeppy into the attachments museum. tell me what connor does for dream that tubbo apparently can’t do to justify why tubbo had to die over anyone else that wasn’t immediately “useful.” tell me that it has nothing to do with his desire for control over tommy.

tell me why when he was surrounded and tommy was threatening him he didn’t Start with the revival book, he started by saying that tommy wouldn’t kill him for the same reason that he wouldn’t kill tommy, because they’re Friends because they’re Important to each other. tell me why when tommy asked he said that they had fun together in exile and with the wars. tell me why he was Genuinely shocked when this didn’t work, why he Genuinely thought that tommy was as invested in him as he was tommy. tell me why he gave up power and freedom for tommy’s life, why tommy threatening to kill himself made dream give himself up.

tell me why when tommy asked dream what he missed in the prison dream listed tommy Separately from his friends and his stuff, not a person but a possession. tell me why he talked about tommy and ONLY tommy in between visitors, tell me why he described what he did to tommy in exile to sam (why he described abusing a teenager). tell me why he wouldn’t so much as talk to sapnap during his visit but he was back to being damn near cheerful for tommy’s second visit (the next visit after).

tell me why it was HEAVILY implied that dream used the enderwalk state to get ranboo to trap tommy in the prison with him. tell me why he insisted to tommy that they were going to have fun, that they were going to bond, that it was going to be Like Exile. tell me why he insisted that exile was Fun to tommy As he was having a mental breakdown. tell me why he only killed tommy to make a point, tell me why he killed tommy when he was afraid of losing the control he had over him.

tell me why he immediately decided that they were going to be together Forever as immortals once he realized the book was real. tell me why he would say that.

and again, tell me why one of the first things he did during quackity’s first visit was ask him if people thought him killing tommy was “cool.” tell me why one of the first things he did when we saw him alone with technoblade was ask about tommy, tell me why he asked about tommy Multiple Times.

it is not in question whether or not dream wanted to lock tommy away forever and keep him alive with the revive book for all eternity, because he Explicitly Tried To Do That On Screen first during the disc war finale and Second when he killed and revived him. that’s what happened, that’s what he said he wanted to do and almost did do. the question is whether that was his plan from the very beginning or whether he isolated and abused tommy for the sake of it and came up with the rest of it later.

is that weird? do you think it’s Weird that he did that and that he wanted that? then what are you doing defending him? what are you doing Denying that he did these things when they happened on screen?

you’re ignorant and in denial and you’re not going to make that my problem. if you can’t handle that dream horrifically abused and obsessed over a teenager then this isn’t the media for you and you should find something else to invest your time in rather than trying to sanitize and erase it.

Now this conversation is over.

proudfreakmetarusonikku

why were people so angry when you mentioned the story had conflict in it instead of being kumbaya camping parties like actually this is an unique thing I’ve seen bc it doesn’t even apply to just stuff like this people legit treated any conflict Existing as Immoral

I don’t know if I’ll ever have the kind of conviction I did in 2020-2021, I was a demon in the streets

but it’s Crazy how dream apologists were calling people pedophiles left and right for acknowledging the on screen plot that happened right there in the story, and then turned around and didn’t give a shit when dream enabled actual for real sexualization of minors

“ermm, it’s pretty Weird how you want an Adult to be obsessed with a Teenager so badly” it’s pretty weird how your streamer is a predator but okay

proudfreakmetarusonikku

it’s immoral to have an evil character but it’s totally moral to justify minors being sent pornography. and also a Wild amount of big c!dream accounts ended up being wss and then shut down when ppl called them out for it like that was a thing I saw happen on Twitter in real time.

I’ve spoken before on why I think the prison was built for tommy, but I just wanna take a moment to talk about why I Don’t think it was designed for technoblade

for the sake of argument lets say that you’re mr wastaken, the dust has settled with the revolution only for a surprise in the elections (that you’d been pushing for but ultimately couldn’t cause by yourself) to up-heave everything and put you in a more advantageous position when Suddenly the techno “The Blade” blade joins the server.

it’s hot off of the heels of your duel with the man, and while one fight in one specific circumstance doesn’t indicate how every outcome between you two would end it Does leave you with a respect for his abilities and fear of what he could do if put on the other side of a conflict from you. so you gather up supplies to meet him in a show of good will and it goes about as well as you could hope. you establish each other as a respectful neutral ground and open up possibilities for a future relationship.

you follow the conflict for a while, trying to ride that line between pulling strings and never showing your hand while you try to work around unknowns to lead to Both parties’ destruction without placing blame on yourself.

technoblade is there of course, but he’s not in it for the same reasons that his partners are, that comes to an obvious head. technoblade wants anarchy, the complete destruction of organized system of governments. and while his ideals of total freedom are counter to your end goal, they’re tantalizingly relevant to the means with which you want to achieve that end.

there’s paranoia in the ranks of the pogtopians, about loyalty and about trust, and schlatt already sowed the seeds for that distrust to specifically center technoblade. so you press on that fracture, encouraging it to splinter, with a rumor about spies that sends people scrabbling to find people they can trust, encouraging pogtopia to fracture under the surface while you try to enable wilbur to succeed in manberg’s destruction.

the moment finally arrives, schlatt is dead and the people leftover are just about ready to start licking their wounds and rebuilding stronger. you stoke the anger you already know techno is going to be feeling, you taunt and push him in private where no one else can see and that fracture finally flourishes into a break. it goes better than you ever could’ve imagined.

wilbur dead, schlatt dead, the country torn apart, the children and young adults left alone, and techno runs off hanging an arrow over Both of their heads as he promises to destroy them again if they rebuild. pulling attention squarely away from you as the paranoia that’d been seeded and bloomed in pogtopia is allowed to grow and flourish in new l'manberg.

you and technoblade were technically on opposite sides of the war but you were on the same Ideological side in the end and you know that matters more. you both cheered when l'manberg burned, and you were allowed to get away with it because technoblade was louder.

the first thing you do after the dust settles is pick up your plan to separate and isolate tommy from the remnants of l'manberg by trying to frame him. your ultimate goal here is to get tommy away and get a hold of the discs so you can destroy the now purposeless l'manberg once and for all while you build your attachments museum to try to control the people that’ll scatter in the aftermath.

technoblade now lives in the woods out of everyone’s way, isolated and (as far as you know) ally-less. based on everything that has happened up until this point, what are the odds that you read him as a threat that has to take priority right now? so much so that you commission a prison the day After tommy’s exile, the main moving piece of your main plan for your main goal?

Theoretically you could, perhaps, be worried about the potential of technoblade identifying you as a threat once everyone else has been crushed, when you’re allowed to take your role as the unquestioned leader of the server. after all, techno is an anarchist and presumably doesn’t see you as the threat that he should Because you haven’t gained the power you think you ought to have.

and maybe we could even say that the seeds of a god complex are slowly budding inside of you as you work towards your goal of getting that control. maybe you’re Bitter that you have to be careful around technoblade, that technoblade was strong enough to beat you in Any context, even if you Could use that to your advantage in an alliance. maybe your ego matters more because you think you can do it alone.

so lets assume for one moment that dream Did design and commission the prison specifically for technoblade. and now you have the conundrum of trying to find some way to get techno in there.

techno has all of his lives and all of the free time in the world to stockpile and train and build up his sanctuary that you haven’t dared to step foot in, careful to avoid stepping on toes before the shoe has dropped.

you keep your eyes and ears open, you learn that new l'manberg intends to try to kill technoblade. this should be perfect, this should be fate itself lining up to hand you exactly what you need. new l'manberg will leave techno vulnerable, maybe even Kill him, and you can swoop in with an advantage you never could’ve gotten anywhere else, fully armored standing against a weaponless techno.

the perfect and Only opportunity to march him to an impenetrable prison. you could even frame it as you doing l'manberg a favor, lean even Harder into the manipulation you’re pulling on tubbo. you might even gain favor with the members that’ve been more openly suspicious and hostile towards you.

but you don’t do that, do you? you approach technoblade directly and warn him about what’s to come. you lead him towards the one item that’d guarantee that he’d get away without losing a life and you swoop in to save him in person. you give him just enough for him to escape, just enough to not incriminate yourself, and you gain both a favor and a reinforcement of your ally-ship with him.

what you’ve set up now is a mutual relationship wherein you’ll both stand together against l'manberg Rather Than getting him out of the way. who are people that you’re fully confident in your own ability to destroy, in your own words they only still existed because you wanted something from them. their leader is weak, the only person that gave them value is in your hands, and the most spit-fire among them is the weakest of them all in your opinion. and your favor is? going to do what?

how does this set you up at an advantage if your ultimate goal, something that you consider a priority nearly on par with tommy’s exile, is to get technoblade into the prison? are you going to use the favor to ask him to walk in? hey techno, can you scrub the floors of this high security prison I just have laying around without any weapons or armor and without telling anyone where you’re going? thanks <3

not only does technoblade have value as a willing asset to dream in a way that practically nobody else does (maybe only second to punz), but the logistics of his actions leading up to and during hog hunt are Not consistent with trying to catch techno while he’s vulnerable and haul him away to a maximum security lock box.

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Just adding, but the prison was not built for c!Tommy, as clarified in the Final Disc War by c!Dream himself as you can see here (time stamp 52:15)

https://youtu.be/sYWs7zme-eI

I’m well aware of what dream said, I don’t think he was telling the truth. it wouldn’t be the first or last time that dream lied and it wouldn’t even be the only thing that dream lied about During the disc war finale.

(dream didn’t just want tubbo dead because he wasn’t useful to him anymore, he has a prison for that, one that he was already taking tommy to. and barring that he wasn’t beyond locking people up in the attachments museum to control people. he had henry, he had the discs, surely tubbo was useful by the very nature of tommy’s attachment to him. there was no reason to kill tubbo unless there was an ulterior motive. moreover, dream should know more than anyone that the server had attachment and chaos before tommy joined. he intentionally cut those attachments away after all.)

dream as a character rarely gives the flat out truth, especially not to Tommy. he’ll often show tommy his true colors in a way that he won’t for other characters, but he has a vested interest in controlling tommy. people throw around the word “gaslighting” a lot, but dream’s treatment of tommy in exile is right on the money for the Real definition, in trying to make someone doubt their own perception of reality so you can control what they believe and what they feel.

in my opinion, dream doesn’t want tommy to know that tommy is His attachment because that give tommy power over him even when he has literally nothing else. we know that dream thinks of tommy as fun, and we know that the image of an idealized past that he used to justify his actions during the disc war finale just did not exist. that the importance that he placed on tommy did not exist. it was the same with doomsday, he told tommy that the server would be at peace now but when pressed about Why he did what he did the answer that he had was that it was more Fun to do it this way. that it was fun to hurt everyone and make tommy watch.

it’s interesting, because he makes these almost token efforts to try to obscure his attachment to tommy only to give away his hand with the slightest provocation. and he seems to Genuinely believe that tommy already feels that attachment, that tommy understands the fun dream has with him. chips down, his life on the line, and dream tries to convince tommy that they’re Friends and that they have Fun. not that he could fix the server or bring whatever peace he supposedly wants to go back to, but that he’s as important to tommy as tommy is to him because they’re both in on the game.

so no, I don’t take his word for it when he says it. especially not with how much evidence to the contrary there is. like I said, I’ve already talked about this before [Link 1, Link 2, Link 3], but to go over it again

1: exile was premeditated. dream griefed half the server trying to frame tommy Specifically to whip people up into a frenzy and confront tommy just days after the 16th. it was only after that didn’t bare fruit that dream latched onto tommy burning george’s house, which george didn’t have any say or agency in.

2: exile was unlawful imprisonment if not outright kidnapping. dream didn’t want anyone to be able to visit tommy and actively scared away and sabotaged people who tried. he didn’t want tommy to run away and threatened to kill him first and then hunted him down second. none of this is consistent with what a real exile should look like and certainly not what’d been agreed upon in court.

3: dream commissioned the prison the Second Day of tommy’s exile, which means he’d had the idea for longer. which means he had the idea While He Was Actively Trying To Kidnap Tommy.

4: Multiple Times throughout exile he told tommy that he was going to be stuck with dream forever. he straight up said Multiple Times that tommy would never go back, that he and tommy were going to be together for “a while.” and this didn’t end in exile, far from it. on top of the obsidian grid, when we Know that dream was planning on putting tommy in pandora’s vault, he looked him in the face and said that their story would never be over because tommy was too fun. and again, when he finally proved that the revival worked how he hoped it would he loudly declared that he and tommy would be immortal Together Forever.

that was the end goal, dream wanted tommy to himself Forever. that’s why he orchestrated exile, that’s why he wanted tommy in pandora’s vault, that’s why he wanted the revival book. dream told tommy that exile was his own fault just the same as he denied his initial reason for creating the prison

5a: pandora’s vault itself, for two reasons. first, the cell doesn’t offer any protection to the visitor, which seems odd if the whole point is to contain someone that dream thought was Dangerous enough to warrant the cell. technoblade nearly killed quackity by pushing him in lava and quackity was Armed when visitors shouldn’t be. if dream wanted to visit a caged lion then he’d put precautions in place to protect himself from the teeth, but he didn’t.

5b: pandora’s vault was Intentionally designed with tommy’s triggers in mind, both from what dream would’ve seen before tommy was exiled and from things that dream planned on doing To tommy in exile. people argue about whether or not this was intentional in character but we Know that it was intentional from the cc’s perspectives, and we have to ask Why that would be if it wasn’t meant to mean anything. the blackstone, the claustrophobia, the potatoes, “put your things in the hole tommy,” the lava, the lack of sunlight, etc etc etc.

6: if dream Had an answer for who the prison was really for that Wasn’t tommy then he could have given it to sam when he was accusing him. dream was trying to bargain for his own life and his own free will during that argument, sam thinking the prison was built for tommy was to dream’s detriment. if he could tell sam that he’d intended it for Technoblade he’d at least be able to tell sam it was for one of his enemies. anything but the child that sam was so attached to (that dream Knew that sam was attached to, that he was already trying to exploit that attachment to in that conversation). but he said nothing, he had nothing to say to counter it.

7: it’s pandora’s Vault. a vault is made to hold your precious valuables, and tommy stands as dream’s only and strongest attachment.

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It’s just not something that would make sense to lie about, specially in the situation they were in. Why would c!Dream lie about having build the prison? What advantage would he get out of lying??

Actually, if you actually think about it, outright saying the prison was for c!Tommy would be a much more efficient way to make him afraid. And about the “oh the prison was made with c!Tommy’s triggers in mind”, like it’s a prison, it’s supposed to be a confined space, and in Minecraft specially, you can’t really make an inescapable prison without lava, it’s just logical. You also mentioned that c!Dream didn’t want anyone visiting c!Tommy during exile but. He got visitors, multiple times actually, damn, even Lazerbeam (I don’t know how to write his name) visited him, even Drista visited him!

Also let’s not forget that c!Dream was being, you know, tortured and c!Sam is very much his abuser, so I think it’s quite illogical to expect c!Dream to go like “Well Sam you see the prison wasn’t actually built for c!Tommy” when that would make c!Sam very mad.

And I see you’re going with the “oh yeah c!Dream (an adult) wants c!Tommy (a teenager) to himself” path and I personally find this weird as fuck, so I will cut this conversation here, have a good rest of your day!

it’s not fucking cute for dream apologists to “imply” that people directly acknowledging what happened in the story are being creepy or unsettling while refusing to acknowledge how that reflects on c!dream as a person.

is it creepy and unsettling for a grown man to be obsessed with a teenager? is it? okay, then tell me why dream was making tunnels to connect their houses, hiding in his walls, actively stalking him, to the point that other characters Noticed and Commented on it back during the original Disc Wars before l’manberg.

tell me why dream singled tommy out when he declared war on l’manberg, addressing tommy first and associating l’manberg itself with being childish, when Wilbur was the president. why dream specifically Chose to kill tommy in the final control room Instead Of Wilbur (the chests were labeled, he had Punz kill wilbur, he went for tommy intentionally). tell me why he accepted the duel for l’manberg’s freedom when he’d already won, tell me why he accepted the trade for the discs when he’d won the war And the duel.

tell me why he messaged tommy and Only tommy when he and wilbur were exiled asking if he was okay, tell me why he delivered tommy a chest of supplies and left a handwritten note sucking up to him about how great l’manberg was to convince tommy that he was on his side and was his friend when we knew from his own mouth that he never respected l’manberg’s freedom or it’s status as a nation at all. tell me why he happily betrayed his long time friend’s trust to help tommy in a petty war, giving tommy access to mars when he hadn’t even asked for it and fighting in the war with him after he’d Explicitly said that he couldn’t risk people seeing him openly partner with pogtopia in the note he’d left for tommy. tell me why he denied ever being on tommy’s side in front of other people when he switched to join schlatt in exchange for the revival book, but he Happily helped tommy get supplies days before the war that he was fighting Against tommy when tommy was alone. tell me why he made eye contact with tommy and Laughed when tommy turned down the presidency because he had unfinished business.

tell me why on the 18th, Two Days after wilbur’s death when dream Already Had the revival book, dream spent an hour Actively trying to frame tommy for griefs all over the server Specifically With The Intention of getting people to confront tommy over it. [Link] and when that failed to get the results that he wanted he took control over the situation when tommy griefed george’s house (none of it coming to even a Fraction of what dream had done trying to frame him) when george himself didn’t even know what dream was trying to do. why dream made an entire Speech about Control Over Tommy being the literal Only Thing that he wants or cares about. tell me why he sought out control over tommy Over keeping his long time friends that he’d known longer when tommy Was Intentionally Staying Out Of The Way. when tommy had rejected presidency And vice presidency. why he prioritized Tommy over any of the Actual cabinet members.

tell me why he lead tommy to a specific location and told him that he had to stay there or he’d die. tell me why he told tommy that he wasn’t allowed anywhere that civilization had been touched when the rules of his exile should By Law only include l’manberg and greater smp (meaning the badlands, manifoldland, techno’s cabin, mexican l’manberg/el rapids, hell even little penis island All should’ve been fair game for tommy to go to (sidenote: au where tommy moved into little penis island during exile. I don’t think it would’ve been better but it would’ve been funnier)). tell me why he was watching tommy, why he was visiting him every day, why he was creating arbitrary rules that he was forcing tommy to follow at the threat and Action Of physical abuse when absolutely None of that was discussed in court and no one was there to see what he was doing to tommy.

tell me why he told sam he wasn’t Allowed to follow them because he wasn’t allowed to know where tommy’s exile location was when sam wanted to give tommy pie. tell me why he intercepted and destroyed the mail that ranboo left for tommy Multiple Times, with ranboo having to change the location of where he kept them in fear of dream stopping communication again. tell me why badboyhalo seemed Scared to be caught visiting tommy, why he felt the need to hide that he was giving tommy presents for fear of what dream would do to him. tell me why dream Lied to tubbo when tubbo asked about tommy, when he told tubbo that tommy didn’t want any visitors to stop him from seeing tommy. tell me why he Straight Up Murdered mexican dream when md said he was going to move in to logstedshire, why the thought of tommy having permanent company that wasn’t his lead dream to taking three canon lives and sending someone to limbo.

tell me why he went out of his way to convince tommy that nobody else cared about him, that he was the only friend that tommy had and that maybe that was Always true. why he told tommy about how much better everyone was doing when he was gone, why he lied to tommy when he asked if tubbo had asked about him, why he encouraged people engage in the physical abuse he’d been doing with tommy and Laughing about it. tell me why he allowed tommy to throw a party specifically the goal of sabotaging the invitations so only he comes, why he took the opportunity to send ghostbur to melt in the snow so tommy wouldn’t even have the ghost of his dead brother as company. tell me why he specifically lied about handing tubbo the invitation on purpose so tommy would Know that tubbo chose not to come rather than it being an accident, tell me why he lied about tubbo intentionally destroying his “your tommy” compass so tommy would well and truly believe that tubbo hated him. tell me why he said “it’s not like they want you anyways” verbatim.

tell me why he actively tried to convince tommy that he was his friend while he was isolating and abusing him. why he presented himself as a savior figure at the party and spent the night giving him gifts and playing with him after so thoroughly convincing tommy that nobody loved him. tell me why he was telling tommy that he didn’t hate him while he was hauling him out of l’manberg, why he lied about having destroyed his things the second time he did while insisting that they were Friends. tell me why he tried to Convince tommy that they were having fun even while he was hitting tommy every day, even while he Openly knew that tommy was suicidal.

tell me why he physically abused tommy, mentally abused tommy, emotionally abused tommy, why he gaslit him, why he isolated him, why he stole his things and made him helpless so he’d be Dependent on him. tell me why he kept tommy in a death grip when tommy had already been stripped of everything and had no one else to rely on.

tell me why he reacted the way that he did when he found the chests. tell me why he destroyed everything tommy had, why he killed tommy’s only food source, why he destroyed tommy’s nether portal, why he told tommy he wasn’t allowed to have any more visitors at all, why he told tommy he had to start over again, why he told tommy that he would Never kill himself, all over a couple of chests that we Never see him say tommy wasn’t allowed to have on screen. tell me why when he visited punz that day he said he’d be checking back soon because he Knew how far he was pushing tommy, how he nearly said that he wanted to make sure that tommy was still under his control but backed out when he realized what he was about to let slip.

tell me why he hunted tommy down when he ran away, going to techno’s house Twice and confronting them at the portal. tell me why he was so invested in getting the other disc in the first place when he’d Fully said that the only value he had in them was as tools to control tommy. tell me why he kept l’manberg around after the end of the manberg v pogtopia arc SOLELY because tubbo had one of the discs in his enderchest and dream knew he had to manipulate tubbo to get it.

tell me why he declared doomsday after he got his hands on the discs. tell me why the confrontation on top of the obsidian grid happened. tell me why there was Zero hesitation when he told tommy that he hurt l’manberg instead of just burning the discs because it was more Fun that way (confirming that it Was a way to punish tommy). tell me why he told tommy that their story was never going to be over while he had possession of the revival book and while his prison was being completed.

tell me why he built a shrine of Gold in his attachments museum for the discs. tell me why he bothered keeping attachments of tommy’s in the attachments museum when he fully intended on getting tommy out of the way. tell me why dream said in Explicit Words that tommy was the most important person on the server, that he brought attachment to the server, that he brought chaos to the server, that he was the Key to controlling the entire server. tell me why he elevated tommy’s importance to justify Keeping Him Forever, in those Exact Explicit Words, in pandora’s vault with the use of the revival book. tell me why he Specifically told tommy to bring tubbo to the disc war finally Just so he could kill tubbo in front of tommy when tubbo wasn’t “useful” anymore, despite the fact that he had a whole ass prison with multiple cells that he could’ve kept tubbo in. despite the fact that he had no problem throwing skeppy into the attachments museum. tell me what connor does for dream that tubbo apparently can’t do to justify why tubbo had to die over anyone else that wasn’t immediately “useful.” tell me that it has nothing to do with his desire for control over tommy.

tell me why when he was surrounded and tommy was threatening him he didn’t Start with the revival book, he started by saying that tommy wouldn’t kill him for the same reason that he wouldn’t kill tommy, because they’re Friends because they’re Important to each other. tell me why when tommy asked he said that they had fun together in exile and with the wars. tell me why he was Genuinely shocked when this didn’t work, why he Genuinely thought that tommy was as invested in him as he was tommy. tell me why he gave up power and freedom for tommy’s life, why tommy threatening to kill himself made dream give himself up.

tell me why when tommy asked dream what he missed in the prison dream listed tommy Separately from his friends and his stuff, not a person but a possession. tell me why he talked about tommy and ONLY tommy in between visitors, tell me why he described what he did to tommy in exile to sam (why he described abusing a teenager). tell me why he wouldn’t so much as talk to sapnap during his visit but he was back to being damn near cheerful for tommy’s second visit (the next visit after).

tell me why it was HEAVILY implied that dream used the enderwalk state to get ranboo to trap tommy in the prison with him. tell me why he insisted to tommy that they were going to have fun, that they were going to bond, that it was going to be Like Exile. tell me why he insisted that exile was Fun to tommy As he was having a mental breakdown. tell me why he only killed tommy to make a point, tell me why he killed tommy when he was afraid of losing the control he had over him.

tell me why he immediately decided that they were going to be together Forever as immortals once he realized the book was real. tell me why he would say that.

and again, tell me why one of the first things he did during quackity’s first visit was ask him if people thought him killing tommy was “cool.” tell me why one of the first things he did when we saw him alone with technoblade was ask about tommy, tell me why he asked about tommy Multiple Times.

it is not in question whether or not dream wanted to lock tommy away forever and keep him alive with the revive book for all eternity, because he Explicitly Tried To Do That On Screen first during the disc war finale and Second when he killed and revived him. that’s what happened, that’s what he said he wanted to do and almost did do. the question is whether that was his plan from the very beginning or whether he isolated and abused tommy for the sake of it and came up with the rest of it later.

is that weird? do you think it’s Weird that he did that and that he wanted that? then what are you doing defending him? what are you doing Denying that he did these things when they happened on screen?

you’re ignorant and in denial and you’re not going to make that my problem. if you can’t handle that dream horrifically abused and obsessed over a teenager then this isn’t the media for you and you should find something else to invest your time in rather than trying to sanitize and erase it.

Now this conversation is over.

proudfreakmetarusonikku

why were people so angry when you mentioned the story had conflict in it instead of being kumbaya camping parties like actually this is an unique thing I’ve seen bc it doesn’t even apply to just stuff like this people legit treated any conflict Existing as Immoral

I don't know if I'll ever have the kind of conviction I did in 2020-2021, I was a demon in the streets

but it's Crazy how dream apologists were calling people pedophiles left and right for acknowledging the on screen plot that happened right there in the story, and then turned around and didn't give a shit when dream enabled actual for real sexualization of minors

"ermm, it's pretty Weird how you want an Adult to be obsessed with a Teenager so badly" it's pretty weird how your streamer is a predator but okay

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