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Announcement 📢:
I’m moving as I couldn’t use this blog to comment and message anyone for weeks now.
Please let me know if you want to follow my new blog by reblog this post since I couldn’t receive any message and can’t comment at all.
I’ll try to follow some of the mutuals that I know from this blog.
See y’all later ✌🏼
18
"It was his now, his companion and solace – this severed head – his fantasy become real, his own private stimulant, and as he stood there, moving his hand towards the artificial restoration of peace, a boy of eighteen in a solitary house in the quiet Ohio countryside took his first step towards madness." _The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer, Brian Masters_
Reaction to Jeffrey Dahmer's death by some people who knew him directly:
He had limited access to people. But apparently, just as it happened in the chapel, someone was able to get close to him. He never expressed fear. From the day he was arrested, he felt he deserved everything he got <small>
- Shari Dahmer (stepmother of Jeffrey Dahmer).
“This is not justice, this is murder. I hope that whoever did this will not become a national hero. This is the sad ending of a very sad story. He caused so much pain to the families and now, unfortunately, his family will feel the same.
Michael McCain (District Attorney for Milwaukee County, Wisconsin).
“Today the chickens came home to roost. Now that he's dead, his stuff isn't needed as evidence. They will cost over $100 000. The auction for fans of the grotesque will bring even more.
Thomas Jacobson (lawyer representing eight families of victims)
“I found Dahmer more pleasant, polite, free from prejudice and noble than other people imagined him to be. He sincerely repented for his crimes, correctly realizing that he would not have killed if he did not drink. He had a sincere desire to understand what led him to such perverted sexual activity.-
- Park Dietz (the psychiatrist who found Dahmer sane).
Someone teach me to post in very tiny font please ?
Kid jeff holding a cat(not Jody)
Kid Jeff holding his childhood’s cat which he have to leave behind when the family move to Bath, Ohio 💔💔
Buffy ❤️ I still don't get why you have to sell a cat because of moving? I mean their new home was about 6000m2! The cat meant so much to Jeff and so little to his parents 😑
I don’t understand it either. Would it really have been that difficult to transport his cat? I can’t imagine having to leave my pets behind. :(
The Last Statement.
"I just want to say that I hope God has forgiven me. I think He has. I know society will never be able to forgive me. I know the families of the victims will never be able to forgive me for what I have done. But if there is a God in heaven, I promise I will pray each day to ask them for forgiveness when the hurt goes away, if ever. I have seen their tears, and if I could give up my life right now to bring back their loved ones, I would do it. I am so very sorry."
Kid jeff holding a cat(not Jody)
Kid Jeff holding his childhood’s cat which he have to leave behind when the family move to Bath, Ohio 💔💔
"This, their first interview, lasted for nearly six hours from 1.30 a.m. until 7.15 a.m., and it would be followed by another two hours later and many more such marathon talks over the next two weeks. The suspect was now not only resigned and co-operative, but anxious to confess, to relieve his soul of its massive burden, to purge himself of intolerable poisonous memories. ‘I think in some way I wanted it to end,’ he said much later, ‘even if it meant my own destruction.’He referred to the confession as ‘cleaning out . . . refreshing’."
-The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer- chapter one: The Charges
(photo taken from the metropoles.com website)
Side note: and yes, I started reading the Brian Masters book. I hope to enjoy this reading a lot and learn more about the mind of this human being in question.
Jeffrey Dahmer quotes
“I just get angry with other people who think they have a right to somehow try to blame my parents for what happened. That’s not right at all. No one has the right to do that because they’re totally innocent. They had no knowledge of it. And that angers me. There comes a point where a person has to be accountable for what he’s done. Can’t go around making excuses, blaming other people or other things. So I alone am the one who is responsible for what’s happened. The only motive that there ever was was to completely control a person–a person I found physically attractive. And keep them with me as long as possible, even if it meant just keeping a part of them.”
“I separated the joints, the arm joints, the leg joints, and had to do two boilings. I think I used four boxes of Soilex for each one, put in the upper portion of the body and boiled that for about two hours and then the lower portion for another two hours. The Soilex removes all the flesh, turns it into a jelly like-like substance and it just rinses off. Then I laid the clean bones in a light bleach solution, left them there for a day and spread them out on either newspaper or cloth and let them dry for about a week in the bedroom.”
“I should have gone to college and gone into real estate and got myself an aquarium, that’s what I should have done.”
“I think in some way I wanted it to end, even if it meant my own destruction.”
“I wish I hadn’t done it.”
“I’d rather be talking about anything else in the world right now.”
“If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway.”
“I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing.”
“If I was killed in prison. That would be a blessing right now.”
“It’s a process, it doesn’t happen overnight, when you depersonalize another person and view them as just an object. An object for pleasure and not a living breathing human being. It seems to make it easier to do things you shouldn’t do.”
“It’s hard for me to believe that a human being could have done what I’ve done, but I know that I did it.”
“It’s just a nightmare, let’s put it that way. It’s been a nightmare for a long time, even before I was caught … for years now, obviously my mind has been filled with gruesome, horrible thoughts and ideas … a nightmare.”
“This is the grand finale of a life poorly spent and the end result is just overwhelmingly depressing….. a sick pathetic, miserable life story, that’s all it is.”
“To this day I don’t know what started it [the killings]. The person to blame is sitting right across from you. It’s the only person. Not parents, not society, not pornography. I mean, those are just excuses.”
“When you’ve done the types of things I’ve done, it’s easier not to reflect on yourself. When I start thinking about how it’s affecting the families of the people, and my family and everything, it doesn’t do me any good. It just gets me very upset.”
“Your honor, it is over now. This has never been a case of trying to get free. I didn’t ever want freedom. Frankly, I wanted death for myself. This was a case to tell the world that I did what I did not for reasons of hate, I hated no one. I know I was sick or evil, or both. Now I believe I was sick. The doctors have told me about my sickness and now I have some peace.”
“I’d rather be talking about anything else in the world right now.”
The pain, regret guilt and remorse all in one.
Can you please name me a few books you know Jeff had read?.
It can be everything from magazines,newspapers even movies/ tv series you know he had watched (not porn! Please) i really curious what was his taste in books /movies. Especially in books.
Thank you for your help ☺️
Hello :) I'll try and list everything I know about:
Books
In prison he asked one of his pen pals for a copy of "To Hell And Back"
The Bible (obviously)
He read books on fish and gardening/ plants (4 books on fish were found in his apartment at the time of his arrest)
He owned a Latin learning kit
A guide on learning DOS
He read, of course, his dad's book "A Father's Story" and perhaps (but not sure!) Master's "Killing for Company"
Magazines
He asked pen pals for subscriptions of InTouch, Stars and also other magazines
He had access to "Pentecostal Evangel" and more religious magazines.
Newspaper
Sometimes he got access to regular newspaper and tabloids (the famous headline "Milwaukee Cannibal kills cellmate" he showed in court)
He had a subscription of "The Christian Science Monitor"
Movies
He loved the Star Wars movies ( a copy of Return of the Yedi was found in his apartment)
The Exorcist movies ( a copy of The Exorcist III was found in his apartment)
[and we know he watched "Fire Birds" in prison 😅]
Shows
Had an episode of "The Bill Cosby Show" taped
When he came home from work he watched TV , the show "Geraldo" was mentioned in The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer
Some random facts about Jeffrey Dahmer that I learned from "Across The Hall" by Vernell Bass
At the time when Jeff moved into 213 there had been several break-ins at the Oxford Apartments. The tenants were worried and helped each other out. Jeff bought himself a security system (for about 400$). It made a 'funny light ringing sound' every time he either entered or left his apartment.
It could not be overheard so Pam and Vern knew that every day during the week Jeff left his apartment at 10:05pm to catch the bus at 10:15pm (to get to work) and returned at 8:30 in the morning.
Jeff told Vern that he had his phone working for not more than a week because it was too expensive to keep.
Jeff didn't seem to be afraid of the dangerous neighborhood. If someone suspicious tried to come up to him he just kept walking like 'don't bother me, so I don't bother you'.
Usually Jeff used to take the rear exit of the building to get to his apartment. To Vernell it was no surprise to see Jeff wander around someone's backyard at 9pm or use short cuts in order to get to the apartment building.
The other tenants complained about the an awful smell lingering in the building for more than seven months. After Pam realized it must be coming from 213, Jeff blamed it on a broken freezer. He bought several Air Wick deodorizers to try to cover the stench.
Jeff owned a knee length terry cloth bathrobe which he sometimes wore when opening the door.
Jeff's apartment was always very neat and very clean - except for one time when Vernell saw Jeff having a guest around ; then his place was a mess.
Jeff's bedroom was secured with an extra padlock.
Talking about groceries Jeff was interested in 'getting more for less'. One time he made a joke that he 'doesn't eat any food'.
The framed pictures on the wall in Jeff's apartment had been there for the last couple of weeks before his arrest (so Lionel and Shari never saw them), also the 'surveillance camera' in the corner of his living room was a rather new item – and so was the wooden demon wall hanging above his window.
Okay, so with the mention of the decor being kind of a recent addition, I'm wondering if he was trying to move his plans for the shrine ahead quickly as he was spiralling or whether the whole plan occured to him shortly before his arrest? I haven't read Brian Masters, maybe he goes into that.
Also... the Air Wick deodorizers ... I'm just at a loss for words
Yes, at that point Jeff already had a very detailed picture of the shrine in mind. He said 'If this [his arrest] had happened six months later, that's what they would have found.' (quote from "The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer") @changing-the-wheel
Thanks for the quote! I guess I was wondering whether he knew that was his plan all along, from the time he moved to his apartment or whether he "branched out" later, seeing as he apparently bought the wooden demon only six weeks before his arrest. Whether this "spiritual" component played a role before or whether he created the idea to kind of retroactively imbue the whole thing with some deeper "meaning". It kind of seems like he created the idea to "reassure" himself as things got more and more out of control, as if he wanted to put order back into chaos? But I'm speculating. It's so strange to me that he first dehumanized people in the extreme, using them as objects and then reverted to a concept where he wanted their spirits to be in a sort of communion with him? Very strange and paradoxical, but then again this is Jeff who we're talking about. Looking at BPD symptomatology, people with Borderline traits struggle with something called "object constancy", which is at the heart of their abandonment issues. Object constancy stems from a concept learned at an early age, where kids find out that objects (but also people) don't cease to exist when they're not sensed. Later in life people might know that intellectually, but won't be able to self-soothe and be calm when someone isn't around. And Jeff here literally created his own collection of artifacts to keep people with him. I think that with the shrine, he created this kind of symbolical order where he could experience his own bizarre version of kinship, when in real life he was never able to fit into the social order out of a deep sense of alienation.
Jeff with his grandma and grandpa
A payslip from Dahmer's job at the Ambrosia chocolate factory
Back in the day that was a lot of money, appx. 60 000$ in today's value. life was different. everything was cheaper, accessible. the hell was he complaining for 24/7?
maybe if you didnt buy 1000 gallons of hydrochloric acid and 5 thousand porn magazines every other day Jeffrey you'd have money to afford decent meals and clothing. maybe you'd take off that goddamn hush puppy shoes
Also, didn't he buy like a really expensive Turquoise ring?? 🧐 I think I read that in the shrine or one of the books about him, how he liked jewelry. He was just kinda dumb with his money. Idk what he was so mad at "well off" people for.
YES. THE HELL HE NEEDED THAT 1600$ RING FOR IN FLORIDA WHILE HE DIDNT HAVE A ROOF OVER HIS HEAD? GODDAMN.
And a 2500$ laptop he didnt even open?
BRO WAS STARVING WITH A TURQUOISE RING ON HIS FINGER.
Sometimes you have to treat yourself, I get it.
He also bought that $400 security system for no reason. He was terrible with money, I can relate to that. I'd rather buy a banging ring than eat any day.
Jeffrey being a drama queen as usual🙄🙄🙄
His rent was only $300 without furnish while Mr Bass’s apartment was $350 with partial furnish. Dude earn so much money but spent 85% of them for Newport and Alcohol. 💀
“Jeff was ready to meet God. It was me who wasn’t ready to say goodbye. I thought we would be two old men (someday) studying the Bible together. I wasn’t going to give up on him.” - Roy Ratcliff
"I wasn't going to give up on him" why does that make emotional
I truly believe that Jeff was completely sincere in his conversion. Listening to Roy Ratcliff and reading his book, it's clear to me that Jeff was searching for purpose in life. The issue with Jeff is that he took everything, including religion at face value. I commend Roy was trying to tell him that his actions make him a Christian, not doing everything 'right'. Because I do think, religion became an addiction for him. I also don't think he turned to religion as a 'get out of hell' free card, because many times he talked about being evil and not being able to have God's grace. Roy continually told him that he needed to love and accept himself first, and he would find God that way. I'm never going to judge anyone for finding peace and solace at the worst moment of their life.
Collecting: A Demonic Passion
"I have hunted butterflies in various climes and disguises: as a pretty boy in knickerbockers and sailor cap; as a lanky cosmopolitan expatriate in flannel bags and beret; as a fat hatless old man in shorts." - Vladimir Nabokov Disclaimer: I do not condone or romanticise, this is a discussion about psychology The other day I made a post about Jeff's shrine, speculating that his collection of artifacts from his victims may have been linked to his difficulty with "object constancy", a symptom associated with BPD and abandonment issues. It causes people to get unbearably anxious when their loved ones are not around or inattentive, due to a lack of awareness that people's affection does not cease to exist if it is not expressed constantly. In infancy, we learn that objects do not disappear if they're not sensed, i.e. moved out of sight. The same concept is applicable to other people's affection towards a child later on. Jeff of course exhibited this in an extreme way and started his own "production line" (as Park Dietz described it) to keep physical artifacts of his victims nearby, under his control.
Afterwards, I came across this article on collectors and wanted to share some of it with you, because I think it's interesting to compare.
First, let's consider the context as it applies to Jeff: He had an early interest in collecting animal bones as an amateur taxidermist and also collected insect specimen. I think there's an interesting theory that he might have had undiagnosed autism and this was his special interest early on. I want to stress that we're talking about his initial childhood interest, before he developed his paraphilias during his adolescence, at which point he also developed fantasies of enacting violence, likely as a consequence of displaced aggression that he wasn't able to direct anywhere. I wanna make another point, but I think it's an interesting theory, as undiagnosed autism must have deeply affected him, as it went unrecognised and he didn't receive the support he might have needed at an early age. Let's go back to the article. The following are quotes from the article: "There can be considerable ambivalence in collecting, and some collectors have spoken of it as a ‘disease’ or a ‘madness’ (Danet and Katriel). Nabokov refers to it as "my demon," himself as a "sufferer," and his passion as an "obsession." "A collection is "an obsession organized" and a collector's interest is not bounded by the intrinsic worth of the objects; whatever they cost, he or she must have them. But If collectors develop "any introspection," they begin at some point to sense that their collection "possesses" them (Aristides, 1988). (...) There can be an aggressive quality to collecting when it metaphorically resembles a hunt in pursuit of an object of desire (Aristides): "locating the prey, planning for the attack, and acquiring the prey," which then becomes a kind of "trophy" (Formanek, 2006). Philosopher Walter Benjamin wrote, "Collectors are people with a tactical instinct" (1931)." As I wrote earlier, I think Jeff's obsessive pursuit of collecting body parts for this shrine was a way for him to create some kind of symbolic order, an extreme case of maladaptive coping: I think he was driven by a need to feel his own bizarre form of kinship* as he generally could not build that with other people in a healthy way. What do you think about these quotes? Do you think they reflect his psychology in any way?
s/o to @ugly-ass-hush-puppies who is a Nabokov buff, I think
*In anthropology, kinship is the web of social relationships that form an important part of the lives of all humans in all societies
In Roy Ratcliffe's book, he says that David came to Jeff's memorial with a friend from college, and the woman who forgave Jeff and befriended Lionel and Shari came, as well as bringing her sister
Did Dave really came with a friend from college? I know Eddie Smith's sister forgave Jeff and she did came with her sister for Jeff's memorial service but Dave? That's news to me.
Psychotherapy session, 1987 by Tania Larionova
"I focused on sessions with his doctor, whose work was incorrect, unprofessional, and contrary to medical ethics. Dahmer would prefer to be in jail than visit the sessions. The therapist humiliated external, social, and financial aspects of the patient. During this therapy, 4 days after one of the sessions, Dahmer commits the first murder in the last 8 years and he kills Steven Tuomi."
-Dahmer's Confession: The Milwaukee Cannibal's Arrest Statements (John Borowski)
“Jeff was ready to meet God. It was me who wasn’t ready to say goodbye. I thought we would be two old men (someday) studying the Bible together. I wasn’t going to give up on him.” - Roy Ratcliff
