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@utena-explained
omg there is 736 followers?!
Yooooooo thank you! Thats wild man!
-Mod Moo
What is Utena quest? :o
This is Utena Quest!
Its a horror utena fan fic (with a little bit of a what if story in there) I drew and wrote myself! Think of it like an adventure game and its structured like Ruby Quest! uwu
-Mod Moo
hi! ive actually just started watching Utena and am s00per confused abt a lot of the things in the show, and was really happy when i found this blog but was wondering if it was still active..?
Mod Moo:
Ello!
I guess its best to say its semi-active. REAL LIFE is kinda a time eater. So u can still send in questions! They will be answered as best we can! (I might close the ask box soonish cause BACK LOG YO)
omg there is 736 followers?!
Yooooooo thank you! Thats wild man!
-Mod Moo
Hi followers!
Uh yeah its been awhile uh both me and Mod Cristina got busy with real life stuff. like for me it was college. I’ve graduated btw! I’ve got other projects around so I’ll only be coming here sometimes (omg a lot of the picture links r dead cause ohtori.nu moved servers ffff).
So if you want more Utena from me I have a horror fic called Utena Quest! Its done in a chose your own adventure style so I’m always looking for people to participate! (Think like Ruby Quest). Might have another fan fic in the future! ;)
Anyway I’ll come around and answer questions from time to time. uwu
-Mod Moo
Can you explain some of the symbolism in the movie, because it was really strange.
Mod Cristina:Oh, yes, the movie is strange and abstract and hard to decipher at some points, especially the first time you watch it. The good news are that we can explain our take on most of the symbolism. And I said most because, like it happens with the anime, occasionally we find some details where my fellow Mod the Touga Expert and I are still scratching our heads as much as everybody else.The problem is, the symbolism is so thick and there is so much of it in the movie that we don’t know which part of it were you interested in and when we considered trying to cover all the symbolism in the movie we realized we would not live long enough to finish that post. So if you could give us some specific symbols or tell us the things you were more confused about, we will work on that immediately. In the meantime, you may find some useful information in previous questions about the movie here. We also have one coming soon about the symbolism of butterflies in the infamous scene with Shiori and Touga.
I don't remember the episode but Miki is talking to his father and Anthy seems to appear in his fathers room while he is on the phone and (I guess?) she's masquerading as his new stepmother?
Mod Moo:
We kinda answered this one. Niether of us have a for sure answer tho. One time I was talking to one of my friends and she figured that Anthy wasn’t really there but she was Miki’s mental stand in since Miki views her as the ideal woman. Like I said we don’t have a very good answer for this one as stated in that post. orz
In the black rose arc, what is the significance of the picture frame in the elevator? Why does it move from butterfly to caterpillar to leaf?
Mod Moo:
The pictures represent the rider’s state of mind slowly descending into a mental breakdown. So the picture starts doing a backwards metamorphosis to show the rider regressing into a broken state of mind, instead going forward they are being dragged back into their deepest darkest feelings and being drowned in them. Its to show that their issues are only made worse going to this “therapy” session which has the opposite effect real therapy sessions are suppose to go. These ones are designed to mentally break the rider so they can turn them into a Black Rose Duelist. In short the pictures show the mental state of the elevator rider.
My take on this:
I might argue that not only are the duelists regressing into a broken state of mind but also regressing in to a sort of primitive state of pure emotion: the root, the thing that feeds their distress (eg. the leaf feeding the caterpillar). They do not just regress emotionally, they are literally “going back” to the root feelings of inadequacy that their painful emotions feed on.
Ooo yeah thats a nice take on it!
-Mod Moo
In the black rose arc, what is the significance of the picture frame in the elevator? Why does it move from butterfly to caterpillar to leaf?
Mod Moo:
The pictures represent the rider’s state of mind slowly descending into a mental breakdown. So the picture starts doing a backwards metamorphosis to show the rider regressing into a broken state of mind, instead going forward they are being dragged back into their deepest darkest feelings and being drowned in them. Its to show that their issues are only made worse going to this “therapy” session which has the opposite effect real therapy sessions are suppose to go. These ones are designed to mentally break the rider so they can turn them into a Black Rose Duelist. In short the pictures show the mental state of the elevator rider.
I have a question about the high-school. To my understanding, the movie sort of drives the point forward that the school isn't exactly a physical place, but rather a metaphorical one. And towards the end of the series, it sort of drives that point forward. What do you think?
Mod Moo:
Ohtori in the movie and Ohtori in the show are two different places. The movie one is as you say not in a physical place as shown by how Utena and Anthy leave it and how it looks visually. The show one is for sure in a physical place, it visually tells us that through how the school is pretty much grounded in reality cause unlike the movie it isn’t floating nor moving. Also unlike the movie we get more then just the high school and middle school and in the game we even meet people who have physically graduated from there. However both place have something metaphorical in common, they are both isolated from the outside world. The movie one is in a non-physical place with nothing else besides it. Leaving the movie’s school is literally entering the real world. The show one is on an island and I assume only Ohtori and the city its in are the only civilization there. The island is close to Tokyo or the prefecture that Tokyo is on. I realized this is where Ohtori is near due to the address on Miki and Kozue’s letter, it says Saitama (the prefecture) Ogikubo (an area of Tokyo), Tokyo. Point being that show Ohtori is also cut off the the rest of the world but in a more realistic way. So since both have that theme they come off with the same message. So in short, movie! Ohtori isn’t a physical place while show! Ohtori is but they are both isolated places from the rest of the world hence the message to smash the world’s shell and break away from the isolated toxic environment that is Akio’s domain. And thats what I think. 8)
What the heck was Akio doing to his fiancée (whose name I forgot) in episode 32?
Mod Moo:
Her name is Kanae. -w-
Its hard to say for sure Anon, I talked about it in my analysis of Kanae here so I’ll just sum up what I say there. I assume Akio was disposing of her since he no longer has use for her. Its implyed by the music (called Fruit of Sin) and apple with the forks in it that Anthy and Akio were poisoning her. Either way, she was being disposed of cause that is the last time we see her in the show at all.
WHOOPS. You answered a question about Chuchu already. I was just wondering what the heck he's there for. You should link that in your already answered section maybe. Sorry!
Oh shit I didn’t have that linked! I’ll fix that! Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah why Chu Chu is there has been answered before.
-Mod Moo
Chuchu?? pls explain
Explain what? Uh he’s Anthy’s pet monkey but since he is Anthy’s pet he probably isn’t a normal monkey. Probably an immortal monkey and he can defy physics. Often used as comic relief, is dressed like Akio, knows how to fence, and is Ikuhara’s author avatar (yes really).
Uh yeah so thats Chu Chu? Did you wanna know something specific about him or??
-Mod Moo
Psst hey guys! I'm gonna open the inbox for awhile.
I wanna try and get into the swing of answering stuff again and now there is like only four questions left but some new ones could be a good motivation too! Also I noticed that some of the links in the previous posts are dead links due to Ohtori.nu moving, I will be fixing them as I can. o3o
Anyway, ask away guys!
Important note! Please check if the question you have in mind has been answered before or not. Thank you!
-Mod Moo
Mod Moo:
Um that is a very good question. What I have heard is that Chuchu is the one who chose who he would rest with as his egg. Or maybe it was an accident and Chuchu just fell asleep in a warm bed and became an egg.
Or well if you think about it who else could have taken care of the egg? Utena nor Anthy couldn't because otherwise Chu Chu would have done so in the first place and any of the other duelist most likely either would have thrown it away, ate it, or ignore it. So I know this is weird to say this but Nanami is probably the most qualified because she would be unlikely to do any of those things, and she did end up taking care of the egg so I guess Chu Chu was right to figure that.
I am still not really sure because this event happens once and is never brought up again but those are my best guesses.
Mod Moo:
I agree with everything what my partner said up there. As well as what you said Anon, Ruka's actions were horrible and cruel and to this day I'm baffled that anyone could sit there and think what he did was ok in any way shape or form. Ruka was indeed put in to wreck emotional havoc and become a parallel to the situation that caused Juri and Shiori's rift in their relationship in the first place. We the viewers may not think what he did was needed but Ruka sure as fuck thought so. He was dying, desperate, and jealous cause Juri would never love him the same way she loved Shiori and Juri being in emotional turmoil over her just made him feel justified in his actions. He even sleeps with her to feel more justified (i.e see her as a whore). But just cause Ruka thought it was right doesn't mean it was right. So yes Anon be mad at Ruka even if you can understand why he did what he did, it was still cruel and I personally think he emotionally smacked Juri way harder then Shiori ever did. Like imagine if your mentor suddenly betrayed you and tried to assault you like that. Yeah. Ok I better stop myself before I go into rant mode. Thats all I had to add.
Mod Moo:
Chuchu is talked about in the commentaries and I have my own theories as well. In the commentaries I heard that Chuchu is suppose to be the Prince who has truly given up; all he does is eat, sleep, and be babied by Anthy. Whenever Anthy is in danger he can't do anything and is powerless to change the situation Anthy is in. Even more evident that Chuchu is a fallen Prince is that he is dressed just like Akio, they share the one earring and a tie. When Anthy leaves Chuchu takes the tie and earring off, showing the shedding of the Prince role for good.
How I personally see it is Chuchu purpose is to be Anthy's familiar, it goes with her witch role pretty well, as well as filling the role as her animal companion one would expect a pure princess to have. Chuchu isn't a normal monkey thats for sure. He is for sure immortal like she is, but if you agree with the theory that it was him inside the egg it looks like he needs to be "reborn" every several years. So yeah I think his purpose was to fill in more of the roles Anthy is in. Also he is also there for comedy relief, the penguins in Penguindrum do a similar role as being symbolic as well as being comedy relief.
Another note: Ages ago I heard a theory that Chuchu was really the Monkey King or some sort of monkey demon that Anthy tamed. Granted I don't have any evidence for this but hey that would be pretty cool if it turns out Chuchu is secretly a super god or something lol.
Mod Moo:
Well yes but that is not the only thing the show is about. One could argue its about life roles, specifically gender roles which is where the Prince/Princess role comes from. When one grows up they are faced with a lot of gender expectations and feel pressure to conform and one of the things Utena is about learning that you don't have to conform, that you are free to chose your own path in life no matter what your gender is. So yes its one of the messages the show has to offer!
