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QUEEN INDIS
Had a wonderful time working on this Indis commission for @valacirya - such a brilliant vision and it was really fun to work with the description and brief. Also has had the consequence of giving me Indis brainrot and I've just been reading a lot about her, ie an excellent side effect.
commission info here
Women can have brother-wives too! (This post is about Indis and Ingwion)
Indis: "I have joined the people of the Noldor, and I will speak as they do."
Also Indis: "It is said that the Vanyar (z) pronunciation was used by the children of Indis, second wife of Finwe, though this was not liked by the general people."
QUEEN INDIS
Had a wonderful time working on this Indis commission for @valacirya - such a brilliant vision and it was really fun to work with the description and brief. Also has had the consequence of giving me Indis brainrot and I've just been reading a lot about her, ie an excellent side effect.
commission info here
I'm calling this the Indis Stare™, all of her descendants inherit it.
I agree that the Sindar were not a monolith and that the Mithrim especially had a justified grudge against Thingol, but I don't think that anti-Thingol sentiment was as widespread among the non-Iathrim Sindar as fandom likes to believe. One of the obvious reasons is that the vast majority of them followed the Ban. The other is this quote which suggests that many of the Sindar under Noldorin rule still trusted Thingol to protect them.
"The most part of the Grey-elves fled south and forsook the northern war; many were received into Doriath, and the kingdom and strength of Thingol grew greater in that time, for the power of Melian the queen was woven about his borders and evil could not yet enter that hidden realm."
Given that Noldor factionalism was partially to blame for the Bragollach, I also imagine that a bunch of Sindar who previously disagreed with Thingol's politics might have changed their minds.
@ataeri commented: "to be fair though, before the dagor bragollach, the sindar and noldor in many parts of northern beleriand "became welded into one people" with some remaining differences (see: Of the Return of the Noldor) though i imagine a split happened when the fleeing grey-elves knew(?) they'd be welcomed in doriath, but the noldor would perhaps not. alas, that is only speculation, since the noldor in question did not go there."
That's a really good point! I would add though that I personally don't consider that merging to be without conflict, given that the Noldor had all the military and socioeconomic power and looked down on the Sindar. I 100% believe that a significant number of non-Iathrim Sindar genuinely preferred the Noldor, but I think there were just as many who were far more ambivalent even during the Long Peace. I even have to wonder about the Sindar in Gondolin because, no matter how loyal they were to Turgon, I can't see them completely ignoring the fact that none of the lords were Sindarin, and that Turgon himself held a "might makes right" ideology. All in all, I think that a) Thingol's soft power among the Sindar grew significantly after the Bragollach, and b) if they had had enough military strength, there would have been a lot more independent Sindarin strongholds.
Okay, last Thingol post, I promise! I feel like the fandom assumes that he had a much bigger army than he actually did. Because even during the First Battle, Thingol needed Denethor's reinforcements to defeat just the eastern host. They suffered heavy losses and the Laiquendi refused to fight ever again. So I really don't think he had enough of a force to turn the tide at Nirnaeth Arnoediad. I understand disliking him for not fighting, but blaming him for Morgoth's takeover makes zero sense. Oh, and I just realized! The Girdle was inarguably a bastion against Angband and saved a lot of lives, so what if Thingol knew that Melian wouldn't be able to sustain it if he died, and that was also one of the reasons he didn't fight; he couldn't risk his own life and therefore the lives of his people.
One of my favorite things about Thingol is that he lets the Guest-elves live within the Girdle despite them not considering him their king, and gives their chief a permanent place in his council. Actually the importance of autonomy is one of his defining traits since Cuivienen. He's most concerned for the freedom of the Sindar when the Noldor arrive. He has to be persuaded to let the Haladin settle in Brethil, but (very uniquely) has an equal alliance with them. And he's specifically stated to be the only king to foster a human (compared to the various Noldor-Edain friendships that, while close, were still that of lord and vassal).
What makes his character even more interesting is that despite all of the above, he doesn't respect his own daughter's autonomy.
One of my favorite things about Thingol is that he lets the Guest-elves live within the Girdle despite them not considering him their king, and gives their chief a permanent place in his council. Actually the importance of autonomy is one of his defining traits since Cuivienen. He's most concerned for the freedom of the Sindar when the Noldor arrive. He has to be persuaded to let the Haladin settle in Brethil, but (very uniquely) has an equal alliance with them. And he's specifically stated to be the only king to foster a human (compared to the various Noldor-Edain friendships that, while close, were still that of lord and vassal).
I agree that the Sindar were not a monolith and that the Mithrim especially had a justified grudge against Thingol, but I don't think that anti-Thingol sentiment was as widespread among the non-Iathrim Sindar as fandom likes to believe. One of the obvious reasons is that the vast majority of them followed the Ban. The other is this quote which suggests that many of the Sindar under Noldorin rule still trusted Thingol to protect them.
"The most part of the Grey-elves fled south and forsook the northern war; many were received into Doriath, and the kingdom and strength of Thingol grew greater in that time, for the power of Melian the queen was woven about his borders and evil could not yet enter that hidden realm."
Given that Noldor factionalism was partially to blame for the Bragollach, I also imagine that a bunch of Sindar who previously disagreed with Thingol's politics might have changed their minds.
"And amid the tale of defeats of that time the deeds of the Haladin are remembered with honour: for after the taking of Minas Tirith the Orcs came through the western pass, and maybe would have ravaged even to the mouths of Sirion; but Halmir lord of the Haladin sent swift word to Thingol, for he had friendship with the Elves that guarded the borders of Doriath. Then Beleg Strongbow, chief of the marchwardens of Thingol, brought great strength of the Sindar armed with axes into Brethil; and issuing from the deeps of the forest Halmir and Beleg took an Orc-legion at unawares and destroyed it."
- The Silmarillion, Of the Ruin of Beleriand & the Fall of Fingolfin
Forgot to include the rest of the quote: "Thereafter the black tide out of the North was stemmed in that region, and the Orcs dared not cross the Teiglin for many years after."
"But the mothername which Indis gave to him was Ingoldo, signifying that he was partly of both the Ingar (people of Ingwe), her own kin, and of the Noldor. By this name he also became generally known; though after the rule of the Noldor was committed to him by Manwe (in the place of his elder brother and his father) he took the name of Finwe, and was in fact usually called Ingoldo-finwe. Similarly the third son was Arafinwe and also Ingalaure (because he had the golden hair of his mother's kin)."
Orodreth canonically being a mountaineer is super underrated.
Came across yet another fuckass take on the Teleri 🚬
Every take from that side of the fandom has me sitting like the stoned taxidermy fox, because what book are they reading?? It's two dang pages that tell us that Sirion and Balar were close allies, Maedhros initially regretted the Second Kinslaying and the Feanorians were scattered, Sirion was stalling for time when they launched a surprise attack, Gil-galad came as soon as he could, and the survivors moved to Balar with him. You know what though? It's my fault for expecting them to have read the whole book, because they clearly missed this part: "But Morgoth thought that his triumph was fulfilled, recking little of the sons of Fëanor, and of their oath, which had harmed him never and turned always to his mightiest aid."
I would love to know more about Indis fingolfin feud if you'd like to share!!!!
Ooh thank you for asking, and I am so sorry about the late reply!! Okay so in my mind, they were not close after Fingolfin's teenage years. You mentioned their similar temperaments in your brilliant fic, and to add on to that I think with Fingolfin there was an intensity underneath that concerned Indis. There was love between them, but a lack of understanding and respect that was made all the more obvious by how in sync Indis was with Findis/Finarfin. So even though I think their parting was bitter, it was also the "easiest" if that makes sense. The other thing is that I hc Indis taking on a central leadership role post-Darkening. Not that she wasn't grieving, but I think having her two favorite kids and her Vanyarin family did leave her in a better place emotionally than the others. She was more angry than anything else, and completely done with being patient and diplomatic. Her Vanyarin superiority complex was vindicated in her mind and she had both a very specific vision for what a rebuilt Valinor should look like and the power to realize it (I am always thinking about the semi-canonical Vanyarization of the Amanyar Noldor). All of which is to say that the Indis a re-embodied Fingolfin meets is harder, prouder, and the most influential elf in Valinor.
There is still love buried deep down but Indis's priority is Valinor and especially Finarfin. There wasn't too much of an issue while Fingolfin was still in the Halls because the Exiles stayed on Tol Eressea (a decision I hc her to play a role in) but now that he's back and the Valar have allowed them into Valinor proper, she has a problem because they're loyal to Fingolfin and openly refuse her, Ingwe's and Finarfin's authority. Fingolfin doesn't want Finarfin's throne but neither is he willing to be his subject. And intertwined with the political stuff are the personal grievances; one of Indis's grudges is that the Exiles ran away and even now harp on about Beleriand, so why are they ruining her home that she worked so hard to rebuild when they clearly don't want to be here (she should get to be a lil immature and petty, as a treat). Also, I think their arguments are longer and therefore 10x more headache-inducing than Feanor vs Fingolfin because they have the exact same confrontation styles. Anyway, my headcanon isn't particularly interesting, I mean, post-First Age Valinor would be politically/socially divided regardless (there are many wonderful fics about this); I just think about Indis a lot and thought it would be funny to make her Fingolfin's Rival™, which is ultimately actually good for the both of them and sets a strong foundation for reconciliation (personal and "national").
Thinking about the Vanyar having a spring kite festival <3
