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Dreamer AU Masterlist
This isn't necessarily a masterlist, and is instead a collection of the posts I think are most important to understand the AU. Miscellaneous post can be found by searching character through the tags, or just reading through the blog. I have a lot of posts so organizing them all in a masterlist would be impossible.
A guide to the Dreamer AU
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who's obsessions for the dreamer is most likely to turn into resentment when their feelings are not reciprocated. Like I feel that based on some characters personalities they have the possibility of blaming dreamer for not receiving what the want from the dreamer. Marika for sure lol, but who else?
One hundred percent it's Miquella. As i've been getting back into Elden Ring content, I've wanted to engage more with the complexities behind Miquella's villainy, which is something I think i've kinda failed to do so on this blog, which kinda sucks. Miquella is definined by his desire to control, which reflects his curse in a lot of ways. His naivety in believing he can fix the Lands by controlling others is ultimately what leads to his demise, but it's not something I view as strictly antagonistic if that makes sense. I do think that Miquella genuinely wants to help people, but I think, its almost a juxtaposition to Ranni's ending, he believes that a more Compassionate Age can only be achieved through stripping those of their free will. It reflects the mentality of the Greater Will somewhat. That through the guidance of Grace and the Two Fingers those in the Lands Between will follow a strict Order dictated by Marika, and that Order is what maintains peace within the Lands.
All of this to say, Miquella likely believes that he is doing everything he does for Dreamer for their greater good, and that accepting his love is what is needed for them to truly achieve happiness. But because Dreamer doesn't accept it, he's driven by resentment and fear. If you were convinced someone you cared for deeply was doing to be left behind in a cruel, horrible world, and they refused to be helped, you too would begin to feel not only a deep fear, but an anger at their refusal. But I also think Miquella simply just feels betrayed. They are his greatest friend and dearest companion, and after everything he's done for them, he wishes that Dreamer would simply choose him, live in his Kinder Age with him, by his side. I think, at the end of his life, Miquella feels a lot of anger and regret, even if his care for Dreamer never wains.
As you guys have noticed, I've been trying to answer some old asks and get back into writing for this blog. I'm sorry for being so absent, but if you guys want to send in asks, please feel free to do so!!
Who did think is the most ‘dangerous’ to the dreamer?
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Marika or Radagon are definitely up there, not necessarily because they pose a specific threat, but because they are extremely strong and influential. Their powers make them extremely imposing, but it's their influence that makes them dangerous. When Dreamer disappeared before the Shattering, there was a search for them all over the Lands Between, where anyone related to their disappearance was to death. These searches were headed by Radagon, greatly ruining the appearance of Dreamer across the Lands. In terms of physically, I think it really depends. Since Dreamer isn't a god, nor a demi-god, Dreamer is technically weaker than most. However, there aren't many who have the power to hurt them, with the protection many provide to them. There's only a few that might genuinely attempt to bring harm to them, like disgruntled ex worshippers of theirs, or those who believe they were the root of the Shattering. Mogh is one of the few major characters to actually potentially pose a threat to Dreamer. He doesn't have a strong relationship with Dreamer like his brother, so even before his compelling, he doesn't necessarily find himself close to Dreamer. After being compelled by Miquella, he's driven by jealousy and anger, something I imagine Miquella implanted himself in order to prevent them finding the Land of Shadow.
I've had this weird scenario running around my head for a bit and some things might be wrong.... but! If i'm remembering correctly during the Age of Dreams (or even before it with some serious practice and training) the Dreamer's dream may be able to affect the reality of the Lands Between right? if that's the case is it possible for the cultists who are making those perfumes and medicines to also make something similar to those spirit ashes? or even the mimic? using the Dreamer's power as a sort of conduit to give their nightmare/dream a physical form?
This is actually a really fascinating idea, because i think it's really possible.
Dreamer's potential Age of Dreams is similar to the other endings of Elden Ring where we (sorta) see the world changing as a result of a coming of a new age. For example, in The Age of the Duskborn, the sky and air is ashen grey, or in the Age of Order, the sky and air is bright gold. I've interpreted this as the world coming forth a new age for a corresponding new Elden Lord. However, since Dreamer's Age of Dreams is literally something dreamt up by Dreamer, the world henceforth is build on top of that Dream.
Something similar could happen with those who follow Dreamer, likely before the shattering, where they use pretty taboo practices to create "living dreams." If this is before the Shattering, I imagine this would be pretty controversial, since the process likely involves practices that are experimental and not fully understood to most perfumers. In order to mimic the level of power Dreamer has, there has to be a level of exploitation at play, like abusing the nightmares of the omens, luring them in with the promise of soothing them only to extort their nightmares for their own gain. This creates a divide in those who follows Dreamer, some believing that the extortion of dreams and nightmares goes against the kindness of Dreamer and Miquella, and others believing that in order to bring about the Age of Dreams, there needs to be a strict order established. Sadly, I think the more harsh fundamentalist of Dreamer's practices were the only ones to remain after the Shattering, so seeing these living nightmares wander the Lands Between is much more common.
anything related to D Hunter of the Dead? 🥺 there is an ABSOLUTE drought of content for him anywhere and while he was (basically) in a canon relationship with rogier of some sort that was in the past and i still love the potential of him with dreamer
I think D's relationship with Dreamer is heavily dependent on Dreamer's association with Godwyn and Deathroot. D was a Golden Order Fundamentalist and viewed Deathroot as a scourge on the Lands. Realistically, D or Rogier likely wouldn't know much, at least early on, regarding their relationship with Marika and her kin, especially if we believe the Tarnished hides that for their own safety. However, at some point, I think that D would eventually place slight blame onto Dreamer for the curse of Deathblight, and unlike Gurranq, who had a previous relationship with them, would hold no favor for them. I think this is only more likely if Fia were to embrace Dreamer due to her relationship with Godwyn.
Do you think there are any notable cases of people (whether god, demigod or otherwise) being scared of the dreamer?
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It's way more common for those to be afraid of Dreamer pre Shattering, since Post Shattering Dreamer hasn't been around or respected in many years. However, I think they're more feared for what they represent, rather than for themself. Dreamer has significant sway in royal politics and the Capital, whether they like it or not, because they have so much connection with Marika's family. It's commonly understood that Dreamer is the reason why the Ancient Dragon Cult would pursue any harmful Dreamer messaging, why those at Raya Lucaria are loyal to Dreamer, and why Dreamer has most of the perfumers in the Capital worshipping them and their Dreams. When Marika instills punishment towards anyone who suggests Dreamer is not welcomed by the Golden Order, it's easy to be afraid of them. It's very different post Shattering, where the fear that is instilled is because of their perfumers going insane, but the fear is also not as common since most common folk view Dreamer in a negative light due to believing they were a cause for the Shattering.
So, what exactly are Miquella’s intentions for Dreamer? Like, in the long run, what plans does he have?
Also, love your writing! Even beyond the subject matter, you have a really good authors voice
So firstly, I want to apologize for being so absence from this blog, I've been going through a bit of a writing slump and getting asks like these really make my day. I don't think my stuff is the best, but I'm happy you guys enjoy it.
When it comes to Miquella's intentions, I think they're very broad and lofty, mimicking his intentions for the Lands Between. Similarly to how he wants to create a "Kinder Age," Miquella desires to create an era where him and Dreamer are no longer forced to suffer. They both are unified by their powers, things that uplift them along with restricting them, and in a strange way, suffering is not so bad when you are doing it with others. But like how he desires to find a cure for his sister, Miquella wants to free Dreamer of their restraints, and believes by doing so they will ascend and never leave his side again.
I honestly like keeping Miquella's intentions vague, because it makes the entire AU more interesting in my opinion. Just a thought though.
Rykard sounds like the type of dad that gets given a dog that says we don't need a dog, we should put this dog back, and then is regularly seen being the main manager of the dog who is now dressed in a cute little outfit
This is literally him.
I think the difference between Rennala's and Marika's family is how they express love, and how that shows through the game. We do know that Marika's children have a lot of love for each other, examples are the statues of Godwyn embracing Miquella and Malenia in the Haligtree, or Miquella's and Malenia's whole relationship, or even Miquella and Radagon making spells for each other. However, I think Marika is someone who takes her role as Queen more seriously than her role as a mother. For every moment where Marika is shattering the Erdtree due to the assassination of Godwyn she's locking her omen twin children up in the sewers beneath Leyndell. A major thematic point of the Shadow of the Erdtree is that Marika hides away her dark and unwanted past in order to paint herself as this eternal and perfect Queen. In comparison, Rennala is characterized by her love for children, not just hers. In some ways, she is so blinded by her love for her children that it warps and destroys her mind.
I DO NOT want to imply that Marika is worse because she's a "worse mother" or that Rennala is better because she's likes kids, this fandom is already steeped his misogyny I don't want to contribute to it. What I'm trying to convey is that I think Rennala's children have a stronger connection with family due to their mother. Ranni being the one to save her mother during her boss fight, Rykard having portraits of Radahn in his manor. This even extends further with Rykard and his relationship with Tanith and how it was generally positive. What I'm trying to say is that Rennala's side of the family feels more connected on a family level while as Markia's feel more strained, which it think affects how they treat Dreamer.
Rykard clearly has a lot of care for his family, he offers Tanith a tonic of forgetfulness before he's consumed by the serpent in Mt. Gelmir, and Tanith shows a level of loyalty that, in my opinion, could only be expressed by someone truly in love. It's also worth mentioning that Tanith is from outside the Lands Between, so even when he was still loyal to the Golden Order, he cared more about the ones he loved. So I do believe that Rykard's relationship with Dreamer would be out of genuine care, even if it takes a very long time to express this. He views Dreamer as someone with so much potential, and extension of himself and Tanith, trying to nurture them into a true Royal of the Golden Order, even if he does find himself disapproving with the Golden Order at this time. I also love to imagine that a large reason for why Rykard completely disavows the Greater Will is Dreamers disappearance.
who has the most romantic and parental yandere tendencies
Romantic wise, it's surprisingly Godwyn. He spends a lot of time attempting to court Dreamer, even after his proposal is turned down. He's very driven, obsessed with the idea of him and Dreamer being together until the end of time. His love for Dreamer is so strong that even after he's killed he still dreams of them.
I remember touching on it briefly, but I do think that Rykard and Tanith are very parental. Marika and Radagon operate more like in laws, while Rykard and Tanith fully step into the roles of parents, though slowly. Rykard hates Dreamer early on into their appearance due to them not being blessed by grace, but through pressure from his family he learns to accept them, albeit in the most apprehensive way possible. By the time Dreamer leaves however, he's embarrassingly close to them, and feels bouts of guilt for their disappearance. I think Rykard's genuine love and care for his family (as shown by him having portraits of Radahn in his manor) is what makes him, and by extension Tanith, so close to Dreamer.
Would you say that the dreamer has made the lands between a worse or better place, mixed, or they largely didn’t affect it
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it really depends on who you ask. Those who are lower class in the lands between basically worship Dreamer, even after the shattering. They view them and Miquella as the only potential saviors of the lands, and find themselves wishing for Dreamers return even long after they've disappeared. this also includes those like the Dragon Cultists and those who were generally close to the royal family. However, there are a few people who believe Dreamer to be a fraud and the cause of their predicament. Hight class individuals look down on Dreamer as if they were a curse. In many ways, their presence did indirectly lead to the Shattering, so could you really blame them. I don't think it's a black a white answer.
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I randomly found you blog and I’ve been obsessed, so I thought I should throw an ask. For my first ask, I’ll guess I’ll ask this. Pre and post shattering, would would you say is the greatest fear of each god/demigod (or at least the ones you want to say) in regards to the dreamer?
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Pre-Shattering, the biggest fear many of them have is their deeper secrets being revealed. It's not just Marika who has things to hide, it's all of them. It's almost like mutually assured destruction, because they all understand that any one of them could betray the other. They're very careful not to reveal too much because of what it could do to Dreamer. Their fears aren't totally unreasonable either, because when Dreamer learned the truth of Mogh and Morgott's containment, they left fr a very long time.
Post Shattering its definitely Dreamer Ascending. An Age of Dreams would mean the Lands Between is consumed by a never ending dream. It would also mean sacrificing Dreamer's mind for this dream. The Lands Between would basically hinge on Dreamer's endless slumber. It's a terrifying thought, basically hiding the true "Lands Between" and replacing it with a Dream. In truth, most of them are more afraid of losing Dreamer, so they do anything to prevent Dreamers ascension.
I think that when Dreamer was in Yharnam she met Gascoigne and his wife Violet and they treated Dreamer like their child and - At least I did - The music box was a gift for Dreamer.
In my interpretation, the note on the lid is a message from the Old Hunter and his wife to the dreamer. I also think that the lullaby from the music box is one of the few things the Dreamer remembers from his stay in Yharnam.
I think that when she was in the Realms, she subconsciously hummed the melody or played it on the harp/piano, and Marika/Radagon and the Demigods, hearing the lullaby, felt a bit of anxiety, but also nostalgia, as if the remembrance of a lost...
Ngl, it's been so long since we've talked about Bloodborne that I had to reread some of my older posts.
Anyway, a major aspect of Dreamer during their childhood is that Gehrman severs Dreamers connection with the Moon Presence out of guilt that a child so young has the love of a Great One. In an alteration to Bloodborn's canon, this is what causes Gehrman to be stuck within the Hunters Dream, both as punishment and as a way for the Moon Presence to serve as a partial connection to their child. The result of this severed connection is that Dreamer no longer remembers their Dream within Yharnam or elsewhere (which is abused by the Healing Church in order to learn more about their connections with the Great Ones).
Anyway, this would create a really unique relationship that Dreamer would have with Gascoigne and his Wife, because Dreamer is in and out of reality, their memory always fading. It's very sad to the married couple, who likely at this point haven't had their daughter, to be so attached to this child but for them never to remember you. To make memories that are constantly fading. So, I imagine that the creation of the music box is done to almost steady Dreamer within this reality, grounding their mind. It's not a cure to their severed connection, but it does help them retain some memories, or at least remember things that are important, like their sudo mother and father.
It's honestly kinda sad in so many ways, because it's likely Dreamer is really attached to Gascoigne and Violet due to their desire to have a normal childhood and parents, and the two in turn feel as though Dreamer is their own respite turn the Beast Plague. Though I couldn't imagine the jealousy that the Moon Presence would feel seeing Gascoigne and his wife embrace their child in the way they wish they could.
I'm just gonna put this post here in case there are new people who wanna know what I'm taking about.
In Elden Ring, butterflies are a sign of the presence of a curse or an Outer Deity, and the Dreamer, being a "Child" of the Moon Presence, probably has his butterflies too...
These butterflies, Dream Butterflies, which are ingredients for incense/perfume, would be surrounded by a lavender-blue glow and the night sky/space could be seen on their wings...
These butterflies can be found near the Dream Flowers (Which in my interpretation would look like Nymphaea caerulea) these flowers grow where the Dreamer once dreamed his dreams...
Of course, my assumptions and interpretations, which you may disagree with
I always imagined Dreamer having butterflies to represent them in a similar way that Miquella and Melania do. Miquella is represented with the Nascent Butterfly, and Malenia is represented with the Aeonian Butterfly. Dreamer's butterflies are likely different, since they're likely a manifestation of the Moon Presence itself, oftentimes only shown under moonlight since they are so thin. They carry a pale dust on them that is calming, being used in remedies and medicines before ever being used by Dream Cultists. Eventually, during Dreamers many departures, these cultists learned how to mimic the effect of Dreamers powers through these butterflies, often resulting in long, prolonged sleep, with dreams that were so lifelike you could confuse them for reality. These perfumes/incense were so powerful it was easy to get addicted to them before the Shattering, being another contributing factor in Dreamers poor image post shattering.
I cant remember if rykard had rya before or after the shattering? But i feel like either way dreamer and rya could be friends due to her personality, or with how young rya is, she could even view dreamer as an inspiration or mentor figure
Rya is so perfect, i love her so much
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Rya was adopted sometime after the Shattering, since I see it as the only way she would believe herself to be Tanith's daughter.
However, I could see Rya and Dreamer forming a close bond when they return to volcano manor for the short while. Dreamer feels very conflicted about what the Tarnished is likely to do to Rykard, especially due to their past relationship. They hide away in the manor trying to avoid everything, which is where Rya finds them. Tanith has waited for a long time for Dreamers return, pushing Rya towards them in an effort to appeal to them. Rya also feels conflicted, since it's clear what the Tarnished wants to do, but their friendship is genuine, since they're both two people who feel so unwanted in their own minds. Obviously, it's short lived, but those few moments make Dreamer feel actually seen.
Is it bad I lowkey want Dreamer to end up with the Tarnished... Like... 😭
No, I don't think it's bad. It's the reason why I don't really have a canon love interest for Dreamer. I think the Knight vibe that the tarnished gives off is really appealing. The Tarnished is someone who is fiercely loyal to the Dreamer, fighting tooth in nail to bring about their age of Dreams, and then to protect that age, it's very appealing.
(also this is just a little question, but sometimes I feel bad that I tend to neglect the female fromsoft characters, so I was wondering if you guys were cool with me making the Tarnished Female, or if you guys want me to keep the Tarnished gender neutral?).
I don't know If you said it once but what happens to dreamers Body when they travel to the lands between? Is their body still in their world or do they take it with them to the lands between?
And how do varré, blaidd (ignor If you talked about hin once), Millicent, leda, Ansbach, thiollier, rya, bostoc and iji?
Sorry If this is a lot.
Dreamers body stays in their world when they fall asleep, falling into a heavy sleep for those moments. Their body retains most physical changes with some minor changes. For example, if they're burned in the Lands Between, their scar might be a lot more faded once they return back to their body. However, if they were to achieve an Age of Dreams, their body in their world would die and they would essentially become with the self in their dreams.
Most characters to recognize the distinction between themselves and their body, other than Miquella and Ranni, who can tell that reader's body isn't completely theirs.