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Seriously, what the fuck is up with the Duffer Brothers doing interviews and giving the dumbest answers to questions about the plot and all? It's either they are just dumb or they are fucking with us, there literally is no in between.

krrmnvv

love the theory about will being the one who creates the illusion of 'winning' in the end. this is what vecna could be talking about when he said will would help him one last time. the finale being full of missing puzzle pieces, mike saying the puzzle is in vecna's mind, 'i'm not vecna' / 'you sorta are', will being called an 'illusionist' in the credits... since when is he an illusionist?

this makes so much sense.

LOVE bylers and how much more intellectually stimulating our story is compared to theirs. also, it's funny how we're the only ones who care about analyzing their shit—the color of mike's rug in the basement, the extras' poses, everything—even after they called us 'noise' they have to shut down once again 🤡 we're in an abusive relationship.

i don't trust the duffers anymore. they're just not that smart after all. but our story? our story is brilliant.

beaneske

ok, I am currently subjecting myself to the "Happy Sad Confused" Interview/Podcast with the Duffer Brothers (not a good idea), and they just said, that in their mind, the "ideal happy ending" for El would have been to be married to Mike.

I feel sick. Combined with the Hopper comment about her becoming a mom, this really looks so fucking bad. Like, in their mind, all El could possibly want is to me married with kids?? Like hello?? El would want to see the world, be with her friends, go on adventures?? also like if El had a kid, wouldn't that kid potentially have powers too? Which could be abused in the future too which is literally the reason she (tried to) kill herself??

God I hate the Duffers so much.

mioakem

oh and don’t forget what the highest rated episode of the whole season was

frozenfrogz

Mike Wheeler was and always has been in love with Will Byers and nothing, absolutely nothing, can sway me from this belief. That is the look of a closeted queer boy in love with his best friend.

raindr0psnroses

i miss the mike wheeler that would jump off a cliff just to save dustin’s teeth :(

demibanshee

I absolutely LOVE how the duffers were like "you guys are noisy and delusional" and our response was "um actually your entire finale was delusional, here's a theory that those 2 hours were actually conjured by the series' VILLAIN, and they're all stuck in CAMAZOTZ and none of it is real, WITH EVIDENCE."

And in like 4 days it has gotten mainstream and caused the ga to start noticing the plot holes as well. I love this for us.

astrangerthingsblog

kinda crazy not believing byler endgame is coming when they gave us this:

!!!! A DOOR OPENING??? c'mon now

soon followed by this:

will going to the open door as we see mike in the background. paralleling max and lucas btw:

(when we dont even see dustin going up.. hmm, wonder why they didn't bother when we're saying goodbye to all of them?)

and then THIS???

and then they tell us no ur not hallucinating, it really is this he's thinking about:

and finally???? this:

mike literally smiling in front of the open door. and then going through said door. (and the coloring is purely blue and yellow!!!)

but you can call me delusional if you like. i'm not even worried ab it

reddthekingg

mike wheeler, in 35 years you'll hear good luck babe on the radio and I sincerely hope you cry so hard you crash your car

miwipilled

The duffers thinking Karen sleeping with a high schooler would be “hot.” Them saying “I enjoyed watching a child in severe pain.” (about noah), Sadie’s discomfort with the unscripted kiss made them want to do it more, saying "You've got to entertain yourself some way"... they are sick in the head wtf 💀

doctor-bastard

“I’ve been down this rodeo before”

sticklystag

is that. is that will’s art binder?? IS THAT WILL’S ART BINDER???? MICHAEL IS THAT

faaremi

This is what happened off-screen trust me🤞

sticklystag

I feel sick to my stomach

they’re even paralleling each other in the pictures…byler you deserved better than homophobic writers that didn’t care about your special bond

tozierbarnes

Stranger Things 5 - From a Working Filmmaker

As someone who studied film and works in the industry, the thing that really gets me about Stranger Things 5 (Vol 2 + Finale specifically) is that it's become pretty obvious that the Duffer's "it's ambiguous!" answers for every single ending plot point is code for "we didn't know how the fuck to end this"

Now, caveat, filmmaking is a subjective art form and *technically* there's no wrong way to make a movie or tv show (Tubi would literally be out of business if there was lmao). HOWEVER, I can say with 100% conviction - if I had submitted the scripts for episodes 5-8 to any of my screenwriting professors in school and then answered "IDK/It happens off-screen/It's up to the audience" for every single question someone had about a plot point (hole), that shit would have been RIPPED apart.

An ambiguous ending isn't a bad thing (see: Inception), but it has to be done right. If your entire finale is filled with loose ends and confusing everyone from the GA to people who over-analyze every single episode, at some point, you've gone off track. 1. WHY the 18-month time skip at the beginning (and end) of the season if you're not going to show us what happened? You mean to say all they did between season 4 and 5 is Go To School, Meet at the Squawk, Start Crawls, Rinse and Repeat? And you're telling me the first time Hopper had the "time to move on" talk with Mike was EIGHTEEN MONTHS after the final battle????? Why? Was Mike avoiding him? Was he putting on a happy face for everyone? 2. Why was the final battle so... anticlimactic? The Duffers claimed the demogorgons weren't there because "Vecna wasn't expecting it," but I'm not sure. I think most people assumed the demos lived somewhere around the Mindflayer/Vecna's lair. 3. What the hell was going on with Mike's vision? Did he really hallucinate everything? Was Kali actually alive long enough to pull this off? How tf did El pull him into her mindscape with all that kryptonite? (I believe the Duffer said it was in his head, but the ambiguity of it all still means there's a ton of divide amongst fans).

4. WHY DID MIKE NOT SAY I LOVE YOU BACK (even like, platonically, my guy she's literally about to die!!) 5. I'm not even going to get into the Byler of it all. If there are hours long video essays and 400 page powerpoints with evidence towards the ship, how can you come online and claim you were "never working towards it" and that the fans were just "external noise"???? Did Finn and Noah and the set designers and the costume designers and the editors and everyone except the Duffers just like, decide to rebel at some point? Long story short, if the Duffers were going for a "tied up with a neat bow" ending, they missed the mark big time. If they were going for an "open ending to please most of the audience", imo they also failed because they have literally no answers or explanations for why or how anything happened.

isosceles-is-never-here

“Hey, well, if we’re both going crazy, we’ll go crazy together, right?”

“Yeah, crazy together.”

Needed some wholesome Mike & Will. I’ve also been wanting to draw knight and wizard versions of them, but it’s eluding me..

[I tried to channel artist Will by only using the HB pencil brush to mimic colored pencils. Coloring is my least favorite part of drawing but I pushed thru for the vibes]

paladinwhatsit

conformitygate has breached the wwe premises

im laughing so hard

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