I will talk about sexism in Islam now
And you might already know this but
Islam is not a feminist religion
No one should be surprised to be honest but many are “not convinced” about that point
So I will now provide only two verses in the Quran , that Muslims try to interpret in many ways , or a certain way that makes them sound less fucked up than they already are
-I will start with the infamous verse 4:34
“Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand”
The verse is quite self explanatory
women are supposed to be quiet and obedient and listen to their husbands,if the man senses “arrogance” from them he can do as said in the verse.
The fact that some Muslims are blind to what this verse really is about,is absolutely absurd, because the word(اضرِبوهُنّ) means (hit/strike them) and if one doesn’t find this to be a problem, then theyre clearly the problem.
-There’s another verse that is a continuation of who a man is allowed and not allowed to marry , in verse 4:24
“…Also forbidden are married women,,,except female captives in your possession This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these..as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication…”
This talks about how it’s not okay to marry an already married woman,but it’s okay to marry slave/captive women,the fact that slaves are even normal to have in Islam says a lot about god and Islam in general ,doesn’t it?
Islam is certainly not a religion that supports women
I’ll jus add one more verse cause ,why not? verse 4:11
“Allah commands you regarding your children: the share of the male will be twice that of the female…”
Muslims often say (women are so loved by Allah that he wrote a whole surah about them) I’ve heard this countless times , but the verses I provided now are all from Surah al-nisa
And clearly , it doesn’t seem like Allah likes women that much, does it…
Everything in islam is made to protect us. Maybe you’d lke a bit of enlightenment.
First of all, I’m ok with feminism but no need to push off the boundaries.
The first verse you mention, does not claim violence over women. You should see how it scales how men should react and violence is the last option.
We females are amazing and beloved by our God just as men are. That’s equality and kindness that I fear if you’ll ever understand. The women in Quran are heroes. There’s a whole sunnah dedicated to them, An-nisa.
Though no woman figure in the Qur’an is explicitly named as a prophet or messenger, the Qur’an depicts women’s characters, wit, and spiritual excellence. In numerous instances the needs and desires of women or girls are heard by God in Qur’anic stories.
There’s a saying that goes: “Women should read surah Maryam on regular basis to understand that they don’t need anyone else except Allah for provision”
Islamic law emphasizes the contractual nature of marriage, requiring that a dowry be paid to the woman rather than to her family, and guaranteeing women’s rights of inheritance and to own and manage property. Women were also granted the right to live in the matrimonial home and receive financial maintainance during marriage and a waiting period following death and divorce.
Islam literally invented women’s rights thousand of years ago.
The historical record shows that Muhammad consulted women and weighed their opinions seriously.
Women prayed in mosques unsegregated from men, were involved in hadith transmission, gave sanctuary to men, engaged in commercial transactions, were encouraged to seek knowledge, and were both instructors and pupils in the early Islamic period. No woman held religious titles in Islam, but many women held political power, some jointly with their husbands, others independently.
In Islam men and women are different yet equal. Women are treasured in all forms – as humans beings, believers, daughters, sisters, mothers, wives…
Here are 11 quotations depicting women’s equality to men and status in Islam – belonging to the Qur’an and the ahadith (sayings/teachings) of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).
“The most complete believer in faith is the best in morals, and the best among you is the best to their wives.” (Tirmidhi)
“And among God’s signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males […] for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquility and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect.” (Qur’an, 30: 21)
“They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them.” (Qur’an, 2: 187)
“O Messenger of Allah! Who is most deserving of my fine treatment?” He said, “Your mother, then your mother, then your mother, then your father, then your nearest, then nearest.” (Narrated by Abu Hurairah – Bukhari and Muslim)
“Observe your duty to Allah in respect to the women, and treat them well.” (Prophet Muhammed’s Last Sermon)
“I went to the Apostle of Allah (PBUH) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.” (Narrated by Mu’awiyah al-Qushayri – Abu Dawud)
“Verily, women are the twin halves of men.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi.
And this one is important:
8. “And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women.” (Qur’an, 2: 228)
9. “Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing womenthat they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms.” (Qur’an, 24: 30-1)
10. “When one of them gets a baby girl, his face becomes darkened with overwhelming grief. Ashamed, he hides from the people, because of the bad news given to him. He even ponders: should he keep the baby grudgingly, or bury her in the dust. Miserable indeed is their judgment.” (Qur’an, 16: 58-59)
11.“Their Lord responded to them: “I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female – you are equal to one another.”
Islam invented the quality between males and females.
I’d like to conclude it with a beautiful quote.
Saying that Allah doesn’t care for his creation is even worse than saying that a mother doesn’t care for her own child.
I don’t see the sexism you’re talking about. If feminism is “power over men” than you’re right, islam is not a feminist religion. But if feminism is about respecting women’s rights and enabling them to have the same rights as men do, then you’ll see that islam does not only respect women’s figure, but it holds women in a position so dear.
In a broken world, you despise something that is not broken but which is filled with hope, kindness and peace, and that is islam. I truly hope I’ve enlighten you a bit so you can see things more clearly.
Wow islam that tells women to be raped by their husbands created human rights, what cr*p.
Firstly surah nisa is not dedicated to women I’ve read it, barely says anything about women. “The women in quran are heroes” really cus there is only one woman mentioned in quran by name.
“Violence is the last option” why? Why the hell is it even an option why should men be allowed to beat their wives.
“Women prayed in mosques unsegregated from men” blatant lies they were not women even today are segregated in mosques from men, women are advised to pray at home and that has greater reward than praying at the mosque for them. Heres the link
“Women held political power some with their husbands other independently” really who go on name a few, if women actually held political power how come we don’t know any.
Pls stop lying.
And the hadith you mentioned about angels collecting women’s tears yeah its fake. Here’s a link.
The narration that angels curse the man who makes a woman cry is unfounded Assalamu Aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh I have read this had
Lol islam created human rights what a joke.
In Islam women have the same rights as men wow how funny considering men are allowed to beat and rape their wives and that wives should obey their husbands and clear ayahs in the quran tell you that its because men have more than women.
If women need no one for provision other than allah, then why do women need guardians, why are women not supposed to leave their house without a guardian, if they don’t need anyone for provision why are women told to be obedient to their husbands why!??
Really historical record shows Muhammad took consulted women and took their opinion. Where does it say that, no seriously where cus never ever once have i ever heard such a thing, seriously where are your sources for this.
Also for the quranic ayahs with your half baked proof let me show you the full thing. Also can you pls link the hadith you used I’d like to see the full version or if its actually a hadith in the first place.
Ayah no 2:187
The ayah talks about sexual relationships between a man and a woman during ramadan. Idk what you were trying to say by sourcing this.
Ayah 30:21
Again still don’t see your point this ayah just says females were made to be your wife so you can have pleasure with them.
Ayah 2:228
“Men have a degree over them(in responsibility and authority)” same ayah that you used to say that men and women have equal rights over each other, when you look at the ayah it literally says men have more rights over women. Again lies.
Ayah 16: 58-59
Again i don’t see your point with why you added this, this ayah talks about how people would think of killing their daughters and allah didnt like how they associated what they didn’t like to him, i.e how they blamed having a daughter on him. Allah didn’t even condemn them so what was your point.
Ayah no 24:30-31
What was even the point of adding this ayah your clearly showing how men and women are unequal, men have to lower their gaze and guard their chastity while women must lower their gaze and cover their entire body their hair and even their faces all because they should be different from the other women who are called jahil.
Listen i get why you decided to “correct” people by adding lies about your religion so Islam wouldn’t look bad. I know you must have had the privilege to not be forced to islam or maybe you didnt either way not everyone gets that privilege just because because you find islam beautiful doesn’t mean it is islam is a nightmare for a lot of people and you making posts trying to lie about how “wonderful” it is isn’t helping anyone your making people who were forced to follow Islam lives worse by blatantly lying about islam your making it seem like people have a choice like women who were forced to cover up had a choice, like people who are forced to follow Islam and are threatened to be killed by their families if they leave have a choice. Not everyone has the same experiences as you not everyone sees Islam as a miracle after it tortures them. I don’t know why you feel the need to keep defending your religion with lies but can you at least stop lying, nobody is hurting you, nobody is threatening you, nobody is taking away your rights by talking about their own experiences if you have a problem with someone talking islam you can ignore their post. Can you pls stop lying that’s all I’m asking just stop lying, I’d really like it if you stopped talking about Islam like its a miracle to people who clearly stopped following it who have been tortured by it but that’s up to you. We may live in a broken world but islam isn’t a light for a lot of people its what broke them.
Please, I do not need to lie, nor do I need to make my religion look good. The reason why I wrote this reply isn’t a selfish one. I wrote it because i wished I could reach to you in a good way, but if I’ve hurt you in any way, I apologize.
To be honest, I can’t fully grasp how Islam can break a person. I know that there are people who are forced into the religion (which is horrible) and I know that there are people who hate it, disregard it, disrespect it. However, I’ve always respected such people because they didn’t hate islam itself, they hated muslims, which is a big difference, and I understood that.
Muslims aren’t perfect, but to me islam is. It makes me feel better and it really helps with issues I face in daily life.
I hope you understand that I do not intend to lie because that would be against my morals. And I’m more cautious of it than anyone else.
Genuinely, I feel bad for you. For real. I really pray that you find the right path again in your life, maybe in a way that will make you happy and less upset than you already are.
You can’t blame a religion for your or anyone’s trauma. Islam doesn’t force you to join, humans do. Those kind of muslims are no where near the best kind, nor do they stand for what islam stands for.
However, you don’t have the right to offend what we hold high and close to us. Calling sort of names to our prophet and such. If you’re against our ideals that’s fine, but that gives no right for you to push the limits.
Just to explain,
“Wow islam that tells women to be raped by their husbands created human rights, what cr*p.”
- Many people defend such acts by quoting prophetic traditions about discouraging women from refusing their husband intimacy when he desires it. According to one such tradition, a husband, after being refused, is described as ‘going to bed angry’. If non-consensual intercourse was permissible, then why was such an act not mentioned as an alternative to accepting the refusal? The text that these people refer to, highlights that a wife should give importance to her husband’s sexual needs. However this does not justify or encourage the use of force.
“Firstly surah nisa is not dedicated to women I’ve read it, barely says anything about women. “The women in quran are heroes” really cus there is only one woman mentioned in quran by name.“
- Like you said, Mary (Maryam – مريم) is the only woman mentioned in the Quran by name. However, there are some women mentioned in the holy Quran as figures and great example;
SARAH: A Dream Fulfilled The story of Ibrahim’s wife Sarah occurs several times in the Qur’an although she herself is mentioned only twice in Surah al-Dhariyat (51:24-32) and in Surah Hud (11:69-76). Angels in human form were going to Lut and his people; on the way they called on Ibrahim and his wife. He took them for human beings and offered them the customary hospitality. He was surprised when the guests did not eat, from which he found out they were Angels. Ibrahim was scared and wondered what was the reason for their visit. Sarah was amused at her husband’s worried face and laughed at him. The Angels turned to her and gave her the good news that she would have a son (Is’haq). She could not believe it and exclaimed: “Oh, woe to me! Shall I bear a child now that I am an old woman and this husband of mine is an old man? Verily that would be a strange thing indeed.” (11:72) The Angels told her that nothing was impossible for Allah. In the story Sarah is depicted to have the reaction of an ordinary woman who longed for a child. In spite of being the wife of a Prophet she reacted to the good news very naturally without pretence.
In Surah al-Qasas (28:7-13) three women are mentioned in Musa’s story: Musa’s mother, his sister and the wife of Pharaoh, and in Surah Taha (20:38-40) his mother and sister are mentioned. The wife of Pharaoh as an example to believers appears in Surah al-Tahrim (66:11).
BILQIS: A Wise Queen Bilqis, the Queen of Sheeba, is portrayed in the Qur’an (Surah al-Naml 27:20-44) as a wise and influential and above all a real leader. She ruled her people in a democratic way. She made every decision after consulting her counsellors. Prophet Soloman (Sulaiman) was told about her power, kingdom and magnificent throne.
MARYAM: The Virgin Mother Her mother’s story before her birth (Surah al-Imran - 3:35-37) and indeed her own story (Surah al-Imran - 3:37-50; Surah Maryam - 19:16-33) are among the most moving ones in the Qur’an.
Let’s not forget about Eve.
However, there are women who are mentioned in the Qur’an as examples of treachery and evil doings are only three: Nuh’s wife, Lut’s wife and the wife of Abu Lahab.
here’s the souce: https://www.gulf-times.com/story/558102/Prominent-women-mentioned-in-the-Qur-an
“Violence is the last option” why? Why the hell is it even an option why should men be allowed to beat their wives.
- Islam doesn’t encourage violence at all.
Ahmed Ali’s explanatory note on his translation of this verse: “For the three words fa'izu, wahjaru, and wadribu in the original, translated here ‘talk to them suasively,’ ‘leave them alone (in bed - fi'l-madage’),’ and ‘have intercourse’, respectively, see Raghib, Lisan al-‘Arab, and Zamakhsari. Raghib in his Al-Mufridat fi Gharib al-Qur'an gives the meanings of these words with special reference to this verse. Fa-‘izu, he says, means to 'to talk to them so persuasively as to melt their hearts.’ (See also v.63 of this Surah where it has been used in a similar sense.) Hajara, he says, means to separate body from body, and points out that the expression wahjaru hunna metaphorically means to refrain from touching or molesting them. Zamakhshari is more explicit in his Kshshaf when he says, 'do not get inside their blankets.’ Raghib points out that daraba metaphorically means to have intercourse, and quotes the expression darab al-fahl an-naqah, 'the stud camel covered the she-camel,’ which is also quoted by Lisan al-'Arab. It cannot be taken here to mean 'to strike them (women).'
(https://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/muslim/translation.html )
Despite the Prophet’s inherent distaste for harm towards women, there has been an attempt to argue for the permissibility of domestic violence based on an interpretation of a specific verse from the Quran (4:34). Contention ultimately arises on the issue of spousal abuse in Islam from a misreading of this particular verse.
This verse states that if a husband fears his wife’s egregious or defiant behavior, he should follow a three-step procedure to solve the situation.[16] First, he must verbally advise her against her actions and correct her mistakes. If this does not improve the situation, he must then “abandon” her bed as a display of his disapproval. If that too does not prove effective, then the final measure has been translated as administering a symbolic gesture of physical discipline (ḍaraba). This multi-step procedure was arguably instituted as a means to regulate an initial surge of anger by requiring the husband to essentially cool down and not impulsively inflict harm upon his wife.
According to the famous early Makkan jurist ʿAṭāʾ ibn Abi Rabah (d. 732 AD), ḍaraba does not refer to hitting at all; rather, it is a symbolic gesture that reflects one’s anger.[19] He firmly contended, “A man does not hit his wife. He simply expresses that he is upset with her.”
Moreover, the Prophet proclaimed, “Would one of you beat his wife like a slave and then sleep with her at the day’s end?!” thereby emphasizing the absurdity of someone harming his wife.
source: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/tesneem-alkiek/islam-and-violence-against-women-a-critical-look-at-domestic-violence-and-honor-killings-in-the-muslim-community
Considering the time, yes, islam invented women’s rights;
For example, all nations deprived women from the rights of inheritance. It was only Islam that recognized the right of inheritance for women. Allah the Almighty states:
لِلرِّجَالِ نَصِیۡبٌ مِّمَّا تَرَکَ الۡوَالِدٰنِ وَ الۡاَقۡرَبُوۡنَ ۪ وَ لِلنِّسَآءِ نَصِیۡبٌ مِّمَّا تَرَکَ الۡوَالِدٰنِ وَ الۡاَقۡرَبُوۡنَ مِمَّا قَلَّ مِنۡہُ اَوۡ کَثُرَ ؕ نَصِیۡبًا مَّفۡرُوۡضًا
“For men is a share of that which parents and near relations leave; and for women is a share of that which parents and near relations leave, whether it be little or much a determined share.” (Surah al-Nisa, Ch.4: V.8)
یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا لَا یَحِلُّ لَکُمۡ اَنۡ تَرِثُوا النِّسَآءَ کَرۡہًا
“O ye who believe! it is not lawful for you to inherit women against their will.” (Surah al-Nisa, Ch.4: V.20)
A wife can buy and sell her property in accordance with her wishes and she has absolute control over the gains received.
Also, before the advent of Islam women were often treated worse than animals. The Prophet wanted to put a stop to all cruelties to women. He preached kindness towards them. He told the Muslims: “Fear Allah in respect of women.” And: “The best of you are they who behave best to their wives.” And: “A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good.” And:“The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is.”
I mentioned the ayah about the new born daughters to say how messed up things were back then and how Islam tried to change it.
“Again still don’t see your point this ayah just says females were made to be your wife so you can have pleasure with them”
- It says the pleasure living with them, not having pleasure with them, as they are a source of peace for men.
“Men have a degree over them(in responsibility and authority)” same ayah that you used to say that men and women have equal rights over each other, when you look at the ayah it literally says men have more rights over women. Again lies.‘
It says that men have a degree over women when it comes to responsibility and authority, meaning that men have more responsibilities than women (even though now days men rarely take responsibility). This is by what “guarding” means. The Qur'an states that men are the guardians of women, and thus responsible for earning livelihood for the family and female relatives.
Note that in the society as a whole, men have the responsibility of providing protection and sustenance for women.
“Men are the protectors (Ghavamoon) and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what God would have them guard […]” Here the word “Ghavamoon” means a person who is responsible for someone else, or “one who stands firm in another’s business, protects his interest, and looks after his affairs, …”.3 God made men responsible for women because God has given them some excess strength compared to women. This excess strength is the physical ability of men and is the way men are created. Clearly men have stronger and bigger bodies than women, but they have less endurance than women. Being fair, God gave also more responsibilities to men when it comes to physical and tough activities like going to wars to defend the country, or defending property, etc.
“What was even the point of adding this ayah your clearly showing how men and women are unequal, men have to lower their gaze and guard their chastity while women must lower their gaze and cover their entire body their hair and even their faces all because they should be different from the other women who are called jahil.”
- It doesn’t say ‘cover you entire body’. The Qur'an instructs Muslim women to dress modestly, such in this ayah.
In conclusion, I see you’re an ex-muslim, and somehow I think that you use to like it, maybe you don’t know but whether you’ve studied it from pressure or out of interest, your knowledge is important and you should always seek more.
I know that you won’t be taking advices from a stranger, but I advise you to free yourself from the hatred you have for islam. If you don’t feel like a muslim anymore, that’s fine, but the least you could do is respect it, as an ex-muslim yourself.
As an ex Muslim myself i will never respect Islam, i will never stop hating islam, i will never give Islam another chance, i will never forgive Islam. Islam is a religion i can hate it and disrespect it all i want I’m not disrespecting people I’m disrespecting a seventh century paedophile who is also an idiot. Im an atheist i don’t even believe in the concept of god i don’t ever need to give Islam a second chance. So you can give up on trying to convince me otherwise.
You wanted to reach out to me and you said you didnt lie and it goes against your morals but all you’ve done is lied all your doing is lying you’ve gone from saying violence is the last option to full on saying that isn’t even the meaning the interpretation you gave is clearly false. Seriously are you even listening to yourself. If you feel bad for me and feel like is islam is perfect firstly islam is in no way perfect and if you don’t want anyone to criticise your religion, you should stop going to posts that are criticising Islam and no i don’t care if you hold islam highly and how dare you try to say i have no right to offend islam that i have no right to call your prophet names firstly if you actually study Islam it becomes clear Mohammed wasn’t a prophet just an idiot and i called him a paedophile which he is, he married a prepubescent 6yr old then consummated the marriage when she was 9 so yeah a paedophile. I will slander mock and criticise islam all i want i have every right to, you have absolutely no right to say i cant after how much its affected and ruined my life.
You really are disgusting, smearing your privilege all over peoples faces lying about your so called “wonderful” cult, disgusting really.
Heres a hadith with ayesha saying it herself she has never seen anyone suffer more than the believing women so maybe you should stop lying. The prophet didn’t stop any cruelties he just created more.
Are you even listening to yourself like seriously. “Women should give importance to their husbands sexual needs and doesn’t say to use force” it uses manipulation it tells women angels will curse them and god will punish them. That’s rape, that’s coercion telling someone they should give importance to someone wanting intercourse from them or they’ll be punished is rape, that is rape.
“Islam doesn’t encourage violence at all” when will you stop lying why don’t go say that to the quran that nicely says that people who were gay had their entire city destroyed because they were gay, that people who are gay should be beaten and stoned, that women should be obedient to their husbands, and cover their entire body your blind if you cant see the ayah i mentioned earlier clearly says so, not to mention the Quran also says jews and christians will burn in hell and drink boiling puss, that you shouldn’t befriend christians because u might end up following their religion and the Quran constantly says whoever disobeys islam will have a painful punishment. I study the meaning of the quran everything I’ve mentioned can be found in the quran im not adding ayahs cus i know u wont read it and I’ve honestly had enough of you. Seriously your pathetic and privileged and all you know how to do is smear your privilege on peoples faces. You think you and your religion i mean cult are so high and mighty but your both just full of lies. Your disgusting, disgusting for smearing and belittling peoples lives “you can’t blame a religion on someone’s trauma” when your whole bloody life revolves around that piece of shit cult you can. “Islam doesnt force you to join” islam has a F*cking death penalty if you leave Islam there are several countries where you can be killed for being an apostate those countries follow islamic law so yeah islam doesn’t force you to join how can it when in islam you’re born a muslim but it does kill you if you leave. Im going to end this post here seriously you can take your “privelaged” self and your “wonderful” cult and f*ck off. And for pete’s F*cking sake stop F*cking lying you dont care about anyone but you’re privelaged cult and yourself do you. I usually don’t use such language put you’ve pissed me off.
I’m really sorry I’ve made you this annoyed and angry.
I still hold onto the points that I made but even if I continue to write end explain further, I have the feeling you’ll be replying again with such language which I do not prefer to have in my blog.
You hate what you hate, dislike whatever you want. However, your heart is heavy probably because your past experiences, thus I’m not pushing the matter further.
Wish you peace.
Firstly i only replied with such language because even after my multiple remarks and me constantly telling you to stop lying you went on and kept lying not only that but when i said that you are actually causing harm by spreading lies you did not listen. I literally showed that almost all your points were either not even points, were blatant lies or completely false. And you decided to lie even more after that. When i told you that not everyone has the same experiences as you and islam has been a nightmare to a lot of people you went on lying, not once have you apologised for lying or using fake information or causing harm you were deaf to everything i said to you and now you say id reply with such language again which you don’t want on your blog surprisingly you’ve belittled violence and actual rape not to mention the constant lies you told and somehow that’s perfectly fine by you.
Hon you’ve lied through your teeth literally wrote about rape and violence and said that it was okay. Im honestly worried something might be wrong with you. Are you actually ok cus the amount of cognitive dissonance you’ve shown is astounding. You belittled violence and rape and lied so much even after i told you so many times to stop, all I’ve asked you to do was to stop lying. Had you actually replied with another one of your lies i would’ve told you that you’re insane proved you were lying and left it at that. Im not an idiot to go on barking like a mad dog however i will not stand if someone decides to spread misinformation especially of a religion that has ruined mine and countless other lives.
And i do not hate without reason i hate islam because of all the lies and falsehood, i hate it because of all the lives its ruined because of all the harm its caused honestly hate is too strong of a word however i do feel sorrow for its followers and the people its harmed for that i can never forgive it. To be frank i hold nothing for Islam however i cannot stay idle while it continues to cause harm.
Secondly my heart is not heavy because of my past experiences i do not hold things theres no possible way i can they are so many things that are there, I’ve already lost count. And do not try to assume things about me when you have never even recognised your own mistake or even apologised for your constant lies.
I truly wish you are able to recognise your mistake i don’t care whether you apologise or not however i hope you recognise and reflect on your actions. I truly wish that you are able to find peace in something that isnt built upon baseless lies.
@beyondthewordsfan-blog I usually don’t tag people but im going to tag you because you’ve clearly shown you haven’t read any of my points so im going to ask you to read what i wrote because i have a feeling you didn’t read anything cus if you did you probably wouldn’t have lied so much. Take care.💕
Look, I had no bad intention whatsoever. I don’t know why I seem so bad to you and I don’t even know what I said to make you act like this.
Honestly, this is making me quite uncomfortable. I didn’t belittle rape and violence. I didn’t say those were okay.
I explained things as I view it and whether those are lies or not, people who make enough research can decide themselves. I have no intention to lie. I don’t want to lie. Why would I lie in the first place? I have no intention to fool anyone. Why would I?
As a proper debate, I claimed my points and so did you. Even though you attacked something that for some is an identity and a way of living, I never called you names, I never disrespected you.
However, I think it’s a waste of time to talk about respect to you.
Once again, there are a lot of ways a person can interpret different verses. And you have yours and I have mine, the truth only God knows.
I have no intention to lead people in my religion, but I can’t help but feel bad whenever someone disrespects it the way you did.
The harm you’re talking about, it doesn’t come from Islam, but from so claimed muslims with very strong traditional and cultural values they hold onto.
Living in a conservative country, I’m aware of those values, I’m aware the world is messed up.
You preach about sexism, rape and violence, but you go on and call me names,telling me that I need a therapist? Telling me that I’m not okay? Judging me by my beliefs? That doesn’t making you better than what you are framing Islam for. You are no one to judge, you are no one to accuse me or my religion.
Your opinions can be considered once you show them kindly and respectfully, otherwise it’s hard to see someone standing against violence talking and writing the way you do. Speak your mind, say your ideas, even create a protest if you want, but do it in a peaceful way.
There’s no need to bring each other down. No need to judge or perceive things in such way that makes you throw everything at Islam.
It’s funny how Islam is so much more and yet you focus on such topics that a lot of people misunderstand. You create such negativity as there’s not enough already in this world.
To the people who you say that life has been ruined by Islam, I truly believe that in their situation hides more troubles and problems than just Islam. There’s abuse and ugly things no one wants to find themselves on and it’s usually covered up by easily faulting Islam.
Furthermore, I believe in my religion and its ideals. I believe in its message and until I came across you, I never understood how strongly I have to hold onto them.
Yes, maybe I’m not the best informed person you can have a discussion with, I know some things, I’ve read some things, I’ve come across other things, I may be considered a beginner. But sometimes religion is not a matter of brains and logic, it lays in the heart and how you feel, thus it’s very hard to explain.
I wish we could talk more like friends and explain our points peacefully, but that may not be possible.
Still, I don’t think I have to apologize for anything. If I see myself lying, I’d apologize a hundred times and it’d still feel not enough.
Maybe you want to claim you’re right, maybe you seek some kind of justice for everything that has happened to people ‘because of islam’, but I assure you the problem isn’t in the religion, but the way people interpret it.
Let everyone believe what they want to believe, don’t judge me and my religion and don’t go crazy over a simple post. Because you’re not judging a book or a person, you’re judging a whole community of people.
Like there are people who left Islam, there are people who old strong into it, people who see it as hope and peace in their life and you can’t judge them for that.
Anyway, I’d like to end this debate peacefully. So, wish you peace once again.
When one says you’re lying after they’ve shown you proof and all the verses and hadiths this person provided , why can you not accept it? Why are you trying your hardest to ignore such a thing and be ignorant of it? This person showed you how wrong you are about certain points you have made,yet you can’t seem to understand that,you keep defending a point that has been proven to be wrong.
When one is criticizing such a messed up religion and idea ,you can’t ask them to stop, it’s not disrespectful to criticize something so clearly flawed ,as the person has provided all the verses and hadiths for.
The hadiths the person has provided are shouting their meanings loud and clear , you don’t need all the interpretations to make it sound less of a fuckery than it is, you read it word for word and understand the meaning , and as seen the verses or hadiths are clearly messed up ,If it was not Allahs’ intention to make it sound so bad, he shouldn’t have written it in a way that made it sound so bad and in desperate need of interpretation in order to be understood and not be perceived in a bad way.
And you are wrong, the harm does come from Islam and its ideas, the Quran and hadiths .The people who follow ,agree with ,and accept the Quran and hadiths to their last bits are the problem, like accepting all the the homophobic,sexist,pedophilic..and many more stuff in there that one agrees with and live their lives by ,so ofc the problems come from Islam
It’s not perceiving Islam in that way, it’s how Islam is, and once again , the verses and hadiths this person has provided you are solid explanation to that,please read them again
And yes focusing on the negative and flaws of an idea and talking about is called criticism , why should we talk about positives? Every religion has their positives,and it does not do anything or change anything.it’s that easy to understand.
Also you used the words “create negativity” nobody was creating negativity ,the person was showing you the negativity and criticizing them
And you have no grounds for believing that the situation has more problems/other problems , you’re not in it or experiencing it , i for one know that most of problems arise from Islam and the way it has turned my family and people I’m supposed to trust into such awful toxic people , so yes Islam is the reason for ruining lives , people kill in the name of Islam , cut hands in the name of Islam and its teachings , so you’re wrong.
And if you also see the problem as Allah not being clear and not even knowing how to write a “perfect book” for all to understand,then I’m with you, cause if you truly believe that the problem is not Islam but certain interpretations ,then that means Islam is easily misunderstood and that is Allahs fault.
And I don’t think that’s the best way to reach for the truth at all, everyone feels differently about a certain thing ,how can we determine which feeling is the right feeling? If something cannot be explained by logic and has no sufficient evidence for it, why should anyone be convinced of such thing?
Judging someone based on their beliefs isn’t bad when the belief is often times harmful and filled with ignorance and violence that should not ever be morally right, I would not want to be with someone who believes and lives by EVERYTHING Allah or muhammad have said to be right/wrong , because as the person here showed you, there are a fuck ton of awful things that one should never accept if they want the well being of the people around them.
So yeah , this is just some sort of response ,I didn’t mean to come in between the debate but , I just couldn’t help myself cause of some of the ridiculous things said
