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One of these is not like the other
New York City - New York - USA (by B Lucava)Â
WaitâŠwhat?????
Is someone over there finally seeing the light of day or was this a Freudian slip?
The Beginning⊠This is it. The moment when I saw the hint of feelingâŠ.little glancesâŠ.just a touch of sparkâŠ..noticed a certain something in the air. And my shipper heart fluttered for the first time. AND IâLL BE DAMNED IF IâLL BE THROWN OVERBOARD BY TOM FUCKING KEEN!!
either he doesnât know what fetish means, or he knows EXACTLY what fetish means.Â
Fetish - So Red has sexual feelings for Liz? Of course he does. Liz is not his daughter. SorryâŠ..
red: *kisses liz on the forehead/cheek/eye/not lips*
liz: you missed
red: what
liz: what
nailed it
This is not hate. Just curiosity. Why do people ship Liz with her father (Red)?
Ah! There is a very simple answer to that. Lizzington DO NOT believe Red is Lizâs father or related in any way. Red has told Liz on many occasions he is not her father and that her father is dead. And according to Red and the writers and executive producers of The Blacklist, Red does not lie to Liz. Â A few examples of dialog in the show between Red and Liz:
Episode 0110: Lizzie to Red: âAre you my father?â Red âNoâ
Episode 0122 Â Red to Lizzie: âLizzie look at me. Â Iâm telling you with no uncertainty, your father is dead. Â He died in that fire.â
Episode 0222 Â Lizzie to Red: âI remember. I remember everything. The night of the fire, I know what happened. Â And I understand why you didnât want me to find out. When I pulled the trigger, when I shot Connolly, it came back to me. it was like I was there. Â I could hear them arguing. He was hurting her. And I know why my father died that night. I shot himâ. Red to Lizzie:Â âYeahâ
Episode 0314 Red to Lizzie: âYour parents loved each other very much. The Cold War was hardâ too hard for your father. When the Soviet Union was collapsing, he took you from her. She gave up everything to follow him, to follow you. Your mother, despite what heâd done, she wanted him back. She wanted them to be a family. As much as it pains me to say it, he was probably⊠the only man she ever really loved.â Lizzie to Red: âAnd I shot himâ Red to Lizzie: âYour mother was never the same after that. The man she loved killed by the child she adoredâ it was⊠just too much. Two months later, she went to Cape May and left her clothes on the beach, walked into the ocean, and was never seen again.â Lizzie to Red: âSo, that night, I killed both my parents.â
Below from Episode 0406:
Also some tweets from the TPTB to support Red not being Lizâs father:
A couple of things here. Red would be an absolute monster if he really was Lizâs father to let his daughter believe not only did she shoot and kill her father but that her mother committed suicide because of this. Just look at the dialog above from E0314. She thinks she killed both of her parents. No one except the extreme DGâs would want a father like this. And do you really think Red is a monster? Lizzington does not thatâs for sure. And since we believe that Red is really a good man underneath, we believe him when he tells Liz he is not her father and if he was, he wouldnât let her think that she killed her father and go through all that pain. That just does not seem like Red at all.
Also the way E0422 was set up, it was very obvious that TBL was doing funny business with the DNA test. First they made it very clear that they are testing 30 year old blood for the test. What? Why not use recent DNA from Red? Easy enough to get, especially since his blood was in the box during the Anslo Garrick episode.
Second they emphasized that Liz did get Redâs DNA in Montreal but threw away the results before she read them. I mean what? This is a woman dying to know who her parents are. And she throws this test away? Then later asks him in Anslo Garrick if he is her father? She wants to know. And yet she threw away the results. Again TPTB are setting us up here.
Third when she tells Red he is her father, Red does not confirm it at all. I mean the cat is out of the bag here if the DNA was really his. Why not confirm or even acknowledge what Liz says to him? Instead he looks pained and not happy.
Fourth is the conversation between Red and Dembe right after this scene:
Dembe: âYou didnât deny it?âRed: âI didnât.âDembe: And she thinks thatâs Kate secret?Red: âYes.âDembe: âSo she doesnât know about the suitcase?âRed: âNot yet.â
So Dembe wonders why Red didnât deny it. He knows Red is not her father. But Red has a bigger secret. The bones in the suitcase. I believe the bones will prove that our Red is not the Raymond Reddington whose DNA matches Liz. Either our Red is an impostor or the DNA Raymond Reddington is an impostor. And Red impersonating Raymond Reddington is part of the larger mission he and Dembe spoke about in E0420. And Red is scared for Liz to find out what it is.
The Blacklist is a complicated story. It is about a twisted relationship, shown to be very ambiguous. The simple answer is Red is Lizâs father. That is what the common fan believes. But if you dig in you will see it is so much more complicated that that. Who is Red? Is he an impostor for Raymond Reddington? What is his mission? What is Lizâs role in all this? There is nothing simple about this at all. And I do not for a minute believe that Red is Lizâs father. That is the easy way out and James Spader sure is not playing it that way.
Hope you understand it now #Anon, even if you donât agree. Letâs see how this plays out in the end.
Hey thanks for the gifs :) Â Hereâs to our favorite power couple:
Letâs take a brief look at the composition of this moment. Itâs one of my favorites in â301âł. I think itâs a very intriguing amalgamation of verbal (=âsmokeâ) and visual (=mirrors) clues, and I donât think itâs an accident. Smoke and mirrors is a term referring to deception, the distortion of the truth, and here it appears to comment on what is silently yet intensely transpiring between Red and Liz.
Lizâs reflection is a key element that receives further emphasis when she says, âI look like [my mom], donât I?â And the idea that Red is drawn to her because she is a reflection, a mirror image, of her mother is alluded to. But Red never confirms this to be correct. Instead, he starts talking about manufactured smoke that draws the attention away from the real fire, and he even gestures to Lizâs reflection. The camera is also pointed at their reflection.
Why?
Because this close resemblance (which interestingly enough wasnât a big deal until now) is yet another example of manufactured smoke (stirred up in a hurry just like the Troll Farmerâs deception) designed to draw attention away from the âreal fireâ, i.e. that Red has feelings for Liz, not for a reflection of her mother.
Lake Dlinnoe. Saint Petersburg region, Russian north west.
Liz interrupted Redâs story the second he started talking about another woman he found attractive
Red: Every morning, all I saw before me was possibility. That and a gorgeous housekeeper named Putu, who used to â
Liz: Thanks, but, no, thanks.
Do you think the fact that Southern Cross, played in 5x8, is about a ship significant to lizzington or a coincidence??
Well not sure. Yes, Southern Cross is about a man who sails across the Pacific after a failed love affair. The Southern Cross itself refers to a constellation by which sailors in the southern hemisphere have traditionally navigated. You could reach and say constellation = stars = Polaris (The North Star). âThatâs how sailors used to find their way home.â (Red to Liz in E03x02 - Marvin Gerard).
One other interesting fact. Southern Cross is performed by Crosby, Stills, and Nash. You know what else they performed? Our House, also featured in the Polaris scene in the shipping container.
Make of that what you will :)
Who is Who in The Blacklist: the spies, their agencies and all the others.
A handy guide of who is who in the Universe.
Raymond Reddington: Ostensibly Naval Intelligence.  But Phillips tells him itâs good to be home in front of the FBI building (Red has been in the US often since 1990). Red might be an undercover FBI.  Red worked counterintelligence. Velov describes him as  the KGBâs greatest enemy. He said that in 1992 when he created the Hans fake-kidnapping scheme he was trying to become the criminal the world thought he already was, speaking to me of a cover created for a purpose, as a criminal. Apparently he was married to Carla Reddington, and had a child (biological or not is not known) called Jennifer, who was relocated  with a new name with her mother in 1990 after extensive interrogation and investigation after Red disappeared. He apparently had a long affair with Katarina Rostova, a KGB agent (according to what he told Liz) and fathered her daughter.  He seems to have a long association with her father, to the point of storing his ultimate escape plan in his garage. He apparently has other relationships to other law enforcement agencies.  We know of MI6.
Harold Cooper: Assistant Director of Counterterrorism. Â Former Naval Intelligence. Youngest agent ever appointed to the Pentagonâs combined investigation and intelligence task force (by then in the FBI already). Â His actual knowledge of Reddingtonâs affairs is still unknown, but he ran an operation in Kuwait in 1987 with Red, and he was in the combined task force that rescued Reddignton after a Russian operative, codenamed Seaduke, whom Red was tracking made him and had him abducted and tortured for 10 days. Â Red seems to know Charlene and his kids. Cooper describes himself as a golden boy once. His background is linked to his father being persecuted for marching with MLK. Labeled an enemy of the state. Marrried (at least was) to Charlene.
Alan Fitch (RIP) : Assistant director of National Intelligence. The core mission of the ODNI is to lead the IC in intelligence integration, forging a community that delivers the most insightful intelligence possible. ODNIâs National Centers integrate and coordinate the activities of the entire IC, or in some cases,broader U.S. Government in the ICâs major mission areas: counterterrorism, cybersecurity, counterproliferation and counterintelligence. He was in the cabal, leading the conservative faction and holding back Peter.  He seems to break cover once, leading me to think he was also in an undercover mission infiltrating the cabal, even if at times he seems to have acted against Red (my theory, not canon). Alan knew the task force was in danger when only 3 people knew it: Kinky, his assassin and Tom Keen. He seems to have been the Decembrist, organizing the Kursk bombing to end those opposed to the end of the Soviet Union and the one who got Kirchhoff daughter out of the USSR and faked her death. He told Red he sent a lot of guys because Red had taken something of value from âthemâ. His last words were to direct Red towards Leonard Caul who wrote the cypher and created the fulcrum. The safe  where the information was was located was in St. Petersburg. Suspect Fitch to have been an undercover operative in the cabal and former military. Marrried to Margaret and father of someone. Buried in Arlington.
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Whose bones are those?
Letâs establish a few facts first. Kaplan wants to destroy Red and his relationship with Liz:
The bones in the suitcase will facilitate that - destroying Red and hurting Liz:
The name of the person whose bones Kaplan dug up has to be a name Tom recognizes. He looks shocked when he first sees the DNA results.
And he has a look of total disbelief below. But then - what? Now I get it.
And whoever has the bones has great power. Per Ian Garvey to Tom in E05x08
âWhatever you imagine the answer might be, itâs better than that. Reddingtonâs power is legendary. With this, I control that power.âÂ
And in the scene below, it appears that Tom may have feared that Red would shoot him, because he knows how much the bones identity reveal could hurt Red:
One other note. Red sat on the bones suitcase when he was with Tom. That would be disrespectful and unlike Red if the bones were of someone Red cared a lot about.
So letâs go over some possibilities that are being discussed:
1) The bones are Redâs âotherâ daughter (ballerina girl, bubble girl). Problems:
Tom may not recognize the name. Even if he did, he would not be shocked. So what if Red has âanotherâ daughter? And how would it hurt Liz? And why would Garvey want these bones? And why would Tom think Red would kill him over that?Â
2) The bones are a sister/brother/twin of Liz. Problems:
While Tom would be surprised over Liz having a sibling, he would not have a look of total disbelief (even if he recognized the name). Why would this hurt Liz and/or Red? And Garvey does not care about Liz (he left her to die) so he would not be interested in a sister/brother/twin. And no reason for Tom to worry Red would kill him over that.
3) The name of the person whose bones they are is well known, i.e. a world leader, head of the CIA, etc. Problems:
What would this have to do with Red or Liz? At first glance, it would not be very obvious. Whoeverâs bones these are, Tom needed to tell Liz right away.
4) The bones are of Lizâs mother Katarina Rostova. Problems:
Tom and Liz already think she is dead so seeing her name associated with these bones would not shock Tom this much. And I doubt he would look up in total disbelief. And how would Katarinaâs bones hurt Red? The DNA report does not say how she died, just identifies who she is. Red already told Liz that her mother died from committing suicide.
5) The bones are of the real Masha Rostova. Problems:
Yes Tom would be shocked but how would Liz not really being Masha Rostova hurt her? In fact she would be safer if she wasnât Masha Rostova. And how would Elizabeth not being Masha hurt Red? And if this is what Red whispered to Kirk (Elizabeth is not Masha but your daughter Masha is dead) why would Kirk release Red over this? And how would these bones hold power over Red for Garvey?
6) The bones are of the real Elizabeth Reddington:
What if the bones are of Redâs only daughter and her name was Elizabeth? Tom would recognize the name and be shocked. And it would make Redâs statement to Kirk true âYes, Elizabeth is my daughterâ. And this would also mean that Liz is not Redâs daughter, but someone he is hiding by using his daughterâs ID. This is my second favorite theory (the last one being my favorite). Problems - Why would Garvey think these bones would give him power over Red? And Garvey did not know who Liz was, asking her what her name was so she does not seem important to Garvey at all. (âYou must be the wife. Whatâs your name, darling?â)
7) The bones are of the real Raymond Reddington (which means Red is an impostor):
Would Tom be shocked? Yes
Would he show disbelief? Yes
Would this knowledge hurt Liz and possibly destroy Red and Lizâs relationship? Yes
Would the fact that Red was not found to be the real Raymond Reddington destroy him and take away his power? Yes
Would Ian Garvey feel that the bones of the real Raymond Reddington give him power over Red? Absolutely
Would Tom fear Red could kill him to prevent him from telling Liz that Red is not who she thinks he is, and in fact not her father at all? Yes
If Red whispered to Kirk that he is not the real Raymond Reddington, instead Red is xxxxx (perhaps someone Kirk knew) this could be enough that Kirk lets him go? Yes
In conclusion, out of the 7 possibilities I presented, only one meets all of the criteria, including why Garvey wants the bones and why Red would not care that he sat on the suitcase with the bones in them. The bones are of the real Raymond Reddington.
If nothing else, we know that Red deeply loves Liz. As much of an unknown quantity as he is, and as questionable as his motives and his methods may be, we know that he loves her. Cooper has the longest relationship with Red outside of presumably Liz. Iâve known him for some time and I know that heâs deeply affected by this.
Harry Lennix regarding Redâs feelings for Liz.
For more quotes from the cast regarding the aftermath of Lizâs death follow the link.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/27/blacklist-liz-funeral-hunt-killer?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
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my dad looks at me this way, too.
Fathers looking at daughters in a creepy way is a far larger problem than I ever expected.
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