YCS: Your work explores the presence of history and memory upon the modern landscape, reflecting on such topics as war and women's issues. What particularly fascinates you about this theme and how did it come to be your main photographic interest?
DM: I never set out to be a photographer who works mainly in the landscape, in fact, when I was younger I simply thought that landscape photography was about taking pictures of pretty places when you were on holiday – how little did I know. It was going to Newport that changed things; I was introduced to interesting, thought-provoking work in which landscape was being used to comment on political, historical and even emotional issues. I realised that landscape can have a voice, no –that landscape does have a voice. It made me look at everything around me very differently.Previously, I had noticed (and often photographed) the evidence of previous use on the land – most of us have images of agricultural buildings or impressive industrial structures somewhere in our collections. What I hadn’t tuned in to as much was how the subtle marks or traces can invite the observer to connect with either real histories, or to construct new narratives. The key word here for me is ‘connect’; there was a point when I felt a shift from experiencing the landscape through my physical senses to engaging with it on a deeper metaphorical level.
When it comes to women’s issues, I have always been political – with a lower case ‘p’ (in fact in the early 1970s I was ‘thrown out’ of the Brownies for being subversive after having repeatedly complained about the disparity between what the boys and girls were allowed to do.) At Newport, I was struck by the male dominated photographic world: for example, at the time on the Documentary course, all of our main lecturers were men. There were brilliant women in the Arts faculty, but our official contact with them was rather limited. If the lecture programme was to be believed, it was men that had made and were making all of the important work. I think I was a source of some amusement for some of the other students and staff as I was always asking, ‘But what about the women? Where are the women photographers?’ Visiting lecturers didn’t get away lightly either; for example, I remember asking Simon Roberts if he could recommend any contemporary women landscape photographers to me to look at and he was flummoxed – when put on the spot, he couldn’t come up with a single name.
The two interests – in the politics of being a woman and the links between landscape and history –came together for the first time in a project called ‘The Grid’ at the beginning of my second year at Newport. I was given a square of a map and challenged to find a project based within that geographical area. One day, during my wanderings through the South Wales countryside I met someone who told me that ‘Just over the hill used to be a big house, but it’s long gone now.’ I went back to my ‘grid’ – there was nothing obvious to suggest that a large country house had once been there, so I headed off into the town’s main library and started looking at old maps. Once I had located the house it wasn’t too difficult to discover who its owners once were. It turned out that a previous inhabitant had been a Viscountess Rhondda and after more digging I discovered that she was responsible for women being able to sit in the House of Lords. Here was an important historical figure, who had once lived a few miles from the university and I had no idea that she had existed.Around about this time, one of my lecturers, the wonderful Clive Landen had run a Large Format workshop and the combination of project and the pace of LF started to change the way that I worked. I became slower and more contemplative; my work became less descriptive and more conceptual.
You also picked up on the theme of war in my work – this came about initially because I wanted to make a project about my grandfather who had been a career soldier in the 1930s and who had fought during WWII, landing on a Normandy beach and going on to help liberate Holland. I have to admit that there was also an opportunist motive too for making work about my grandfather at this time, rather than waiting. I was trying to be ‘time-clever’ as I was due to graduate in 2013 and the 70 th anniversary of D-Day was to take place in 2014. I hoped that if the work was good, it might receive some attention. In the end, I didn’t make the project. My personal tutor, Paul Reas (who now is Course Leader at Newport) asked in his famously direct fashion, ‘Who’s going to be interested in your grand-father?’ It only took a couple of seconds of ‘hurt’ to realise that he was right. My grandfather, who in my eyes was a wonderful man and a hero, had experienced a ‘normal’ war. Yes,he was involved in some terrible and no doubt terrifying events, but there wasn’t a clear story. My explorations into granddad’s war would have to wait. Instead, I would bring together my three main strands of interest: the lives of women, landscape and war.
YCS: There is a distant engagement to your images, expressed in layers of passed time and unobtrusive composition, then extended by inclusion of archival material and text. Can you expand on why this is your approach? From where did it evolve?
DM: I’m not sure what you mean by ‘distant engagement’, but I am glad that you have picked up on the‘layers of passed time’ in some of my images. When exploring any landscape with my camera, I consciously change how I think; I deliberately shut out any thoughts associated with personal everyday concerns and shift into a form of meditation. I try to tune in to how others may have experienced the place in which I stand, how they may have seen and felt about what they could see at the time. It sounds fanciful I realise and only really works for me when I have someone particular to imagine – which is why working on ‘All England Waits’ was so powerful for me – I was thinking about individual named women and having read their letters, I had specific pieces of their life stories to focus upon. In fact, working on the project felt like a form of collaboration and often I would have‘conversations’ with the women; I would ‘talk’ to them about their worries, their concerns and the hopes that they had for the end of the war and the return of their menfolk. Had I ever bumped into anyone when working, they would no doubt have thought I was just a little bit unhinged.
The inclusion of archival material and text has become integral in my practice. Again, it is about layering, about wanting to share a deeper, richer narrative: I am inspired by real people and real stories and this desire for detail comes from a sense of respect. In both ‘All England Waits’ and‘something comes over you’ I was inspired by materials held in the Imperial War Museum Archives and I wanted the words of these remarkable individuals to be part of the work. I don’t just lift quotes and create captions though: I find myself drawn to individual words and phrases and begin to draft and craft small prose poems from the original material. I try to hone in on the essence of the communication; it’s a process of distillation. I hadn’t really thought of it before your questions, but I suppose that this crafting of the language is another form of layering, it takes me, the second author another step away from the history – it adds texture to the narrative. Just as the women who were writing to their loved ones during the war were consciously considering what to include in the correspondence, so I am intuiting and choosing what to exclude. I am working with the past and the present, absence and presence. The use of archive photographs and ephemera - such as the envelopes - is slightly more complex and perhaps, for some audiences, problematic, as none of this material is linked directly to the wartime letter writers. For me the inclusion is another way of layering. Also, to be frank, I am fascinated by this direct link to history. It doesn’t matter that I don’t know the individuals within the portraits, or the person who wrote a particular address on an envelope: they help me to feel connected. Finally, as the text within ‘All England Waits’ is in the first person it gives the impression that this is one woman’s story and I wanted the work to honour all women who had to say goodbye to a loved one during wartime. The archival material does this for me. Selecting the material for inclusion in the project was fascinating and I very much enjoyed this part of the editing process.
You have also included a couple of images from ‘and something comes over you’ which was made for the Ideas Tap/Magnum Photography Award. This work, more than any other so far speaks about how history becomes imprinted on a landscape. The thing is that when you stand on any of the D-Day beaches (except at Arromanche), there is no obvious physical evidence of anything that happened on June 6, 1944 and it is impossible to know what visitors are thinking about when they stand on the sand and look out across the sea. I wanted anyone looking at the work to reflect on the history of these beaches and the only way I could think of how to do this was to incorporate testimonies of men who had been actively involved in the landings. I went back to the Imperial War Museum archives and began listening to oral history recordings. I felt very strongly that the testimonies shouldn’t be presented as traditional captions, separate from the images and separate from the locations and the solution I worked out was to write directly onto each images, along the horizon line.
YCS: What does photography mean to you? Of what part of you does it provide fulfillment?
DM: I’ve had a decent camera since the early 80s when I was sixteen, but photography only became really significant for me around 2005 when I started an evening class as a release from the pressures of teaching. Weirdly, it wasn’t making the pictures that excited me back then: it was being in the darkroom; I loved it. Now I am back working in education, photography once again is an escape for me. When on my own with a camera, it’s like being nurtured. The camera is a way of focusing on the world and on myself: it’s very powerful. It also has brought me into contact with many, many fabulous people and I count my photography-friends as amongst the most important people in my life. Photography is a blessing.
YCS: You achieved your undergraduate degree in documentary photography on the renowned course at Newport in Wales, having paused your teaching career to return to study. What made you take that life decision?
DM: Even though this was a huge decision (I had to sell my home to pay for my studies), it was really easy to make. I was feeling a bit ‘stuck’ in my job and had split up from my husband. I wanted to do something ‘just for me’; I wanted enrichment. I went down to the Newport degree show, met and chatted with the brilliant (then final year student), Gareth Phillips and thought, ‘This is the place for me.’ I didn’t go with the intention of making my living as a photographer (so it’s unsurprising that I haven’t become a freelancer), and I had no expectations about how being part of the Newport and wider photography family could transform my life. In personal terms, taking that career-break decision has been the best one I have ever made: so much has come from it.
YCS: Exhibitions are a recurring final resolve of your work - what particular presentation details are used to express the mixture of images, archive and text? What is your main aim for presentation and how are the display choices determined?
DM: I think I touched on this earlier in the interview, but it depends on what I am showing and where.For example, ‘All England Waits’ was conceived as a book and I had only ever shown it alongside a small selection of images prior to going to Broadstairs in 2014. For my degree show I presented the book on a wooden ‘tea trolley’ to refer to the focus on women and the domestic/home environment in the work, but when it was shown in The Millennium Centre, Cardiff I couldn’t include the trolley and so my partner made a beautiful wooden shelf and the book was ‘chained’ to it! The most important thing is that the work has to be able to speak to those who see it and it is vital that you consider the space/context in which it will be shown.
The residency and exhibition at The Old Lookout in Broadstairs allowed me the opportunity to explore how I could transfer my work from the book to the gallery space and I was able to show more images than ever before. To incorporate text from the book, I decided to handwrite quotes and snippets on small index cards and these were placed at intervals on the walls; although it was a pretty basic fix, I think that it worked well.
As far as using archival images and ephemera are concerned, so far I have chosen to scan the originals and then produce prints which are presented in the same frames as my original photography. I do this, rather than frame the original objects because I don’t want my work to be part museum exhibit – it’s more conceptual than that. Working with the text from ‘something comes over you’ presented a different challenge and solution (as described earlier.) I had made a multi-media version of the project and wanted to show this in addition to the prints at Broadstairs. It was my friend, the photographer Paul Gaffney who suggested that I extract the audio from the piece to create a sound installation in the gallery and this worked brilliantly. Hearing the crackly BBC recording, the sound of the waves and the voices of D-Day veterans whilst looking at the work, or out of the windows of The Old Lookout to the sea was powerful and engaging.
YCS: You have participated in artist residencies and workshops in the UK and abroad - why are these developmental experiences of such value to you? How will you further extend your growth going forward?
DM: I’ve been lucky enough to be part of two residencies and taken part in various workshops and all I would say to anyone who gets the opportunity to participate in either is – do it, if you can! The two residencies were very different. The first was in Denmark as part of The Independent AIR and was shared with different practitioners from a range of artistic disciplines. For a week, we showed and shared work and got to listen to and learn from the visiting speakers. You have to be an ‘open’person to get the most out of residencies like this one and be ready to hear some honest critique. If you immerse yourself in what is happening around you, the learning and development potential is enormous. Oh, and you also get to make great friends and contacts for the future… The second residency was completely different as I was offered The Old Lookout Gallery as part of the Obsolete Studio’s summer residency programme. I could do what I wanted with the space, as long as there was an opportunity for the public to see and engage with my work. I chose to have a solo show,create an image and text library and offer a workshop of my own. To be given the space for a week was incredible and I learned a huge amount about a lot of things, including curation. Photographic Artist, Sara Rejie co-curated the show with me and it was a real pleasure and honour to work with her on it.
Workshops can also be incredibly collaborative and although they are intensive and exhausting, the benefits outweigh the metaphorical pain. The trick is to find the right residencies and workshops for you. I have an issue with the expensive niche offerings that pop up every year – how easily can early career (or even mid or late career) artists find three thousand pounds for a few days of input? No doubt such sessions are wonderful, but… Luckily, there are individuals and organisations out there who do offer free or semi-funded development opportunities, so again – you just have to look carefully. I would love to do more workshops and residencies and I am sure that I will one day – the problem for me now is I am restricted to the school holidays.
YCS: Your work has been featured on the Firecracker platform, shortlisted for the Ideastap Photographers Award and recipient of the Reginald Salisbury Award. What is your approach for generating exposure of your work? Do you have a best tip for self marketing?
DM: I use social media to share my work – when I have something that I want to get out there. I do have a simple website and sometimes I will tweet a link to a page or two, if I think my work is relevant to a conversation that is happening elsewhere. I think I spend most of my ‘exposure’ time sharing other people’s work at the moment and I especially enjoy celebrating and ‘shouting about’ projects made by friends of mine who are doing well. My ‘best tip’ for self-marketing would be ‘Don’t be afraid of getting in touch’: if you think someone would be interested in what you are doing, email them, write to them, or even just send them a nice tweet. Share work by others, re-tweet links to exhibitions and publications: artists, curators, photo-editors really appreciate it when you take the time to get involved and if you do it in the right way, with positivity and good grace, they will like you for it and when you finally meet them, you have already begun to build a relationship.
YCS: You are employed as an English teacher, and use the summer break to produce your photographic work - is becoming a full time artist an ambition? How do you maintain your practice during the academic year? Do teaching and photography ever intersect?
DM: Gosh. It never was my ambition and I struggle to see how I would ever be able to become a full-time artist (I am so used to earning a regular and reliable salary!) However, I would love to be in a position where I could spend my time working on residencies and creating new projects.Maintaining any sort of practice during the academic year has so far proved impossible for me,however, this year I am determined to build in time to make new work! It’s about being clever with time and being organised and I still have much to learn about these two disciplines.
As far as photography and teaching intersecting are concerned – I am an English teacher and so I bring photography into the classroom whenever I can. I use images to prompt discussion, engender emotional responses, to illustrate points and as starting points for creative writing. I am so glad that I can use photography with my students as it allows me to have contact with images in a thoughtful way as part of my school routine and that contact is a reminder to me that there is a world beyond my classroom and I am part of it.
Image Copyright belongs to Denise Myers.