ok now it's time to circle back to that spanish journalist talking in a podcast saying that back then vale was good friends with sete so when sete became a threat to him he locked himself in his house with his friends and told them "make me hate sete". soooo how insane is that....?
i should be posting some 2746 thoughts so i don't leave the audience starving ... but i'm not able to come up with anything yet ... maybe i will do tonight.
you guys know you are free to send me YOUR 2746 thoughts though, so send away anytime !! đ
I got a idea of ABO dynamic. Vale is an alpha (for sure) and Casey is a beta has also beta wife. However Vale insisted that he can smell Casey and he should bond with him.
In 2024 I made a rushed chronology on Pedrenzo (can be fond here X), and I think it's time to add more to this and correct some things.
Pre-World championship.
Dani and Jorge started into racing in the same way, thanks to their dad's passions. Dani used to cry when he saw his dad in his bike and he wasn't on it.
They both started to train in abandoned parking lots, but there ends the parallels. Dani started with his first bike and as a hobbie. He would spend the whole morning running in there and with a make shift circuit his dad draw. Antonio started to record this sessions just no not get bored, and in the afternoon, they watch it together. It's in this rewatch where Dani started to ask or points where they can change 'the circuit'. For Dani and Antonio it was a hobby.
Jorge in the other hand started with a bike his dad made for him when he was 3 years old. Chicho was a frustrated rider and tried to push his passion into his son. Chicho used to take Jorge to the parking lot everyday after preschool and stay there until Jorge mastered what Chicho wanted or reached a number of repetitions. More than a game, it become a spartan training.
They both started to race and their path didn't cross until 2000 at the Spanish Championship (CEV). However, but they have know about each other before that. They are both close to age (19 months to be precise is what separates them) and both were pretty small. At this point, they use the other rider as a reference more than as a rival as they both are fighting against people older and more experience than them with the handicap of their age and height.
In 125cc (2002 and 2003)
During this period of time, is when their rivalry started, but it was pretty tame. Itâs also important to note that it was mostly external factors that started it rather than the riders itself. Dani was racing for Telefonica and Jorge for Caja Madrid, which made them two very young rider, with lots of talent and pretty promising carrers fighting against each other, in Spanish teams. Their teams werenât friendly against each other, and their manager also used to be rivals.
All of it, made the riders feel like they had to beat the other in the track at all cost. It got to the point on wanting to know the otherâs position to see if they have placed higher.
We also had their characters component, that is something that will follow them their whole life. Dani is quite and calm. He does things behind close doors and the talking on the track and was so unfriendly and distant with the media. Where Jorge is loud, very loud, and he uses the media and does the talking in the open. He had also an entitled attitude (his star hairstyle didn't help his case), but he always spoke with the truth, which is something the media loved about him.
They also had 0 contact outside track between them, not even a âhiâ when meeting at the paddock. There's a notable exception to this, and that was in Malaysia 2003, where Dani won his only 125cc championship (and the first one of his 3 consecutive tittle).They shared a podium, and according to Jorge in that moment of euphoria everything vanished and they were just to young men talking about bikes and the race for a bit. Jorge cherish this memory, but Dani doesn't remember it, too euphoric about his tittle. Once the podium ended, they went back to not talking.
In 250cc (2005)
In here their 125cc rivalry is intensify and it becomes something in between them. They are still Spain's bright future in the sport, still managed by two ex-riders that didn't get along and still in Spanish teams with Spanish sponsors (this time Movistar and Fortuna). THry also had the same bike, a Honda.
Dani was already 2 times World Champion and the rider to be beaten after he stayed for a second year in the category. Jorge was the new commer, and the force to be beaten. Jorge admits he wasn't ready to fight for the championship that year, and all he wanted to do was cause cahos and havoc. Apparently that made Dani, and his people, to see him as a competitor and a threate even when he really wasn't one. But Jorge was cocky, and ready to fight.
There was also the talking everyone did on the media, that fueled their rivalry and some gestures, or lack of them in some cases. Everyone was accusing everyone of doing things. (mostly Puig, AmatriaĂn and Jorge).
In this year, the thing between them got much worse as they made contact on track several times. Germany is mentioned as the time that set everything into flames, but Catalunya was the turning point. They were close to each other and in practice Jorge was leading. Dani managed to get pole that weekend, but the team, the media and everyone was tense. The tension was so big that at some point Antonio did a bird flip to the camera but it's unknown if it was for Jorge, the team or both. That lit a race in Jorge that translated into him crashing into De Angelis after Dani overtook him (he had a bad start).
Then Germany happened. In this race, Jorge made contact with Dani and it resulted with a crash for Jorge and a bend exhaust for Dani. It also lead to the infamous moment where both Dani and Puig refused to say it was Jorge and called him a rider or that rider. After the race, Puig and AmatriaĂn started a media war in between. Jorge felt at that moment Puig wasn't taking him seriously.
Due to his excess of aggressiveness (and probably unconsciousness and stupidity), Jorge got a race ban (Malaysia 2005) after he made contact at the Japanese GP with De Angelis (again) and Dani (again). Jorge used to blame Dani for that because instead of helping him, Dani used that opportunity to remember all past actions and contact orge had such as Catalunya and Germany. That was the nail in Jorgeâs coffin according to Lorenzo.
Older Jorge will admit he deserved it and that it was a turning point for him.
They both have admired they hated each other. It probably helps the age at what the were fighting each other with all the pressure. But it's also that because they were teens/young adults it didn't last very long.
So by the time Dani moved to MotoGP, they were at each otherâs throats, specially with the media, and with Dani as a 3 times Word Champion and Jorge still needing to prove himself.
We have to mention something from this period of time, after Dani won the 125cc championship, he got Colacao as an sponsor. And thanks to the add they did, Dani got the fame he was a good kid and he had never broke a plate. Jorge was still entitled and cocky. And this is important because Spain got split in between team Pedrosa and team Lorenzo. Dani's fan where more preppy type while Jorge's where more on the bad side of the law looking.
This fact is important because Dani didn't change his attitude, but after that add, people saw his as a kid. It gave the false apparent that the country had seen him grow.
MotoGP (2008-2018)
When Jorge made his debut in MotoGP, media expected them pick their rivalry where they left it, and it kind of did after just one race. In the Spanish GP that year, Jorge, Dani and Collin Edwards were the riders in the front row, and while they were waiting to be interview, Jorge wanted to shake hands with Dani, but it never happened. Pedrosa walked past them leaving Lorenzo and Edwars confused.
That got to the ears of King Juan Carlos I, who was the king of Spain and is a fan of the sport. After the race, both Dani and Jorge were on the podium and the king forced them to shake hands. It was done with good intentions and to try to clean the air in between them and show it was a misunderstanding, but instead, it's considered the lowest point in their careers.
Years later, Dani has said he hated that moment, and for Jorge it was more a bump of hands, and unpleasant gesture. Instead of cleaning the air in between them or cleaning their image it made it all worse. It looked like they couldnât be in the same room if they werenât forced to share the space.recently, Dani revelead that it was a big misunderstanding, at least the first part. Dani had had surgery on the hand that off season and he was still in pain, so he didn't want to shakes hands with anyone.
This is the first and most well documented clash they had in MotoGP, but apparently there was another one in Qatar that Ii couldn't get so much info about. Apparently Dani didn't congratulate Jorge on hos good results in his debut. Dani doesn't remember any of it.
On track they keep fighting hard against each other, more cleanly this time, and still with the same mentality as in 125cc and 250cc. If I canât win because there are other riders doing/having a better day than me, at least I have to beat Dani/Jorge. Allegedly, 2008 was the worse point in their rivalry, but when asked them directly, Dani will say it was in between 2008-2010. For Jorge, that rivalry started to dissipate in 2009 because apparently in 2010 they started to say 'hi' to each other.
Their rivalry got to that point it split the whole country. People were genuinely asking if you were Team Dani or Team Jorge. There are still videos of young Spanish riders having to choose (the MĂĄrquez used to be die hard Dani fans and Rins was team Jorge all the way).
Little by little, after fighting so much and for so long against each other, and sharing so many space and podiums together, their relationship moved from bitter rivals, to just rivals, to the rival I respect. Dani said that for him the big change was 2012, when their championship fight was the closest ever. Dani realized that he had been fighting his whole life with Jorge, therefore, they are as good as the other. Their rivalry had made them grown as riders because they had to outsmart and be better on track than the other, so it was a hats off moment.
Maybe that change got a name and a surname, Casey Stoner. Casey had won the 2011 World Championship and they both wanted to beat Casey. They joked that maybe if Jorge couldn't do it maybe Dani could. Jorge theorized it was because Dani didn't want Casey, his teammate, to beat him with the same bike. maybe the rumors that Marc was going to be Casey's teammate for the 2013 season affected them.
In 2012 we also had the first physical approach between them. It was also in Qatar when they hugged for the first time, and it was a symbol of them finally burying the hatchet.
2012 also gave us the iconic marriage proposal (please watch the whole video, it explains Pedrenzo rivalry up to 2012).
The once bitter foes Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa may have a more amicable relationship on and off track these days, but that doesn't mean
2012 is also the year the championship that upsets Dani the most. He was so close that he needed a lot of time to digest and make peace with it.
From then on, their relationship improved a lot. It could also be that they both had change their managers by 2013, so part of what it set their rivalry wasnât in the equation anymore. Jorge had to change his after it was know AmatriaĂn's drug addiction in 2006 (and when he was in the middle of a battle in between AmatriaĂn and Chicho and Jorge and Chicho). Dani waited until 2012 to change managers because he needed to grow as a rider beyond Puig.
They also had grown from kids to adults!
In 2015 Dani invited Jorge to Sete Gibernauâs (ex-ride, and Daniâs friend and coach) 'ranchâ/track for a training weekend among other riders. Jorge ended up getting injured, and Dani went out of his way to check on him because Jorge was fighting for the championship that same year. Jorge got injured in the collarbone and Jorge himself admitted it was dumb because he just wanted to win against Dani when racing with smaller bikes. Apparently Pedrosa was miles faster than any other riders (other riders that seem to had been there are Ălex Rins and Pol and Aleix EspargarĂł). Dani said he did it because he knows how difficult is to ride with an injured collarbone, and how an injury like this could hinder Jorge's chance to fight for a championship.
In 2017, in Jerez, Dani and Jorge shared a podium together, and in that memorable occasion, they shared a hug. They didn't need an intervention from the King this time. For Dani it was very emotional. He had come from several bad seasons, and having a close call with retiring after a bad crash (he didn't because he had signed a 2 year contract extension for 2017 and 2018 with Honda).
In 2018, when it was announced that Jorge was moving from Ducati to Honda and was going to replace Dani. Jorge tried to convince Pedrosa to stay in the championship by switching to the Petronaâs Yamaha team. It was pretty public with Jorge saying how a much smoother bike will suit Daniâs riding style.
Dani really considered staying 2 more years, but at the same time, he didn't want to crash and spend so much time on a hospital bed. he was done suffering. He also felt he was on borrowed time, 2 extra years to be exact. But he was really tempted by that Yamaha.
If that wasn't enough, that wasn't the first time Yamaha had tempeted Dani. In 2016, when Jorge signed with Ducati, Dani was one of the options to replace him. Ultimately they went with Maverick after Suzuki let him leaves, but he was close, so close. If Suzuki hadn't done it, Dani would had been Vale's teamate for the 2017 season.
Jorge and Dani exchanging helmets at the end of the 2018 season
After MotoGP
Now they have a pretty good relationship they even talk with each other via whatsapp. They can be in the same room and laugh and talk for hours about racing, including their 250cc races. Jorge will be the one pulling all the moments and remembering the weirdest stuff and Dani will look bamboozled because he doesnât remember that. In fact, among all DAZNâs pundits, Jorge is the one that makes Dani smile and talk the most.
Theyâre pretty quick to mention the other rider when possible (specially Jorge), and they are pretty open when asked about their battles in and out of the track. In fact Jorge will jump at any opportunity to mention and praise Dani. Dani will need a bit more of coaxing, but he will also talk and praise Jorge.
In fact, Jorge doesn't lose any opportunity to say how much Dani impresses him whenever he does a wildcard.
In 2024 we saw a resurgence on their rivalry that turned out to be a PR stunt, but it still let us hear Dani say he wanted to punch Jorge. it was supposed to be a boxing match, but turned out to be an interview. Jorge asked more questions related to their riding careers, while Dani went for more personal questions.
Summary of Dani and Jorge's relationship over the years. First photo is pretty early in their relationship. You can see that they arenât interested in each other. Itâs basically a photo for the media.
The middle one is Jerez 2008 and you can see how forced their handshake is. The king gets the wrong hand, and all of them are confused and wants to be done with it.
And the last one, itâs more than a handshake. They are truly happy and comfortable around the other. They want it.
We all know that Vale loveeeee Casey, keep saying that he is fast and his greatest rival blah blah blah. But Casey hold a more avoiding attitude to Vale (like the hug in Austria, Casey just want to ESCAPE!!). Which is pretty similar to the relationship between Pecco and Fabio. Pecco always admire Fabioâs talent, said that Fabio is not only talented in this generation, but also among whole history of MotoGP (sth like that, interview in 2022 maybe?). Meanwhile Fabio didnât talk lots about Pecco.
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