L'anti-fé

 21 yo ][ french ][  INFP ][ conservative looking for discussion, but that doesn't matter since no one gives a f.

[peachy-political]

So I recently saw a post about how terrible the tags for men are on tumblr and decided to go further and check other tags.

To re-cap if you look up “men are…” you get: Men are trash Men are pigs Men are gross Men are the worst Men are slaves

If you type “women are….” you get: Women are superior Women are beautiful Women are slaves Women are amazing Women are objects

So only two negatives compared to the five negatives men get.

If you look up “white people are…” you get: White people are the worse White people are crazy White people are wild White people are demons.

But if you look up “black people are…” you get: Black people are magic Black people are amazing Black people are awesome Black people are racist

So this time its one negative compared to a complete four negatives.

Now if we look up “cis people are…” we get: Cis people are the worst Cis people are wild

Then look up “trans people are…” we get: Trans people are beautiful Trans people are valid Trans people are people

This time we have no negatives compared to a full two negatives.

Now lets look up “straight people are…”: Straight people are the worst Straight people are weird Straight people are exhausting Straight people are wild

Nothing came up for “gay people are…”, “lesbians are…” or “lgbt are…” but if you look up “gays are” you get: Gays are great

When will people learn hate gets you no where? When will people learn they are no better than the sexists, racists, transphobes and homophobes they are supposedly fighting against? Hating people based solely on the sex, race and sexuality they were born as is disgusting. Hating “majorities” is not progressive it’s regressive.

Stop normalising hate.

[respectfulmemes]

[europhobics]

[coolmanfromthepast]

“King Elessar, why is half your cabinet Orcs?”

“Because it’s the Fourth Age!”

[awesomeness2]

I LOVE EVERY BIT OF THIS 

[michigander514]

I hate to be “that guy”, but Frodo’s mithril shirt was Dwarven, not Elven. *adjusts glasses*

[red-faced-wolf-deactivated20251]

Ok but these are funny

[melonmemes]

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[radafayscage]

The dumbass spelt it wrong as well. Androcracy describes a system of government comprised of men, as denoted by the suffix -cracy. This term is entirely insufficient when we want to examine male authority in the private sphere. Patriarchy doesn’t disappear in domesticity - rather, that’s where it is largely perpetuated. Androcracy’s definition doesn’t cover that. It’s dumb and ineffective.

[auntiewanda]

That’s a good point, so the term is completely insufficient to describe the inherent authority granted by human society to male people for being male in all aspects of society, not just government. 

So yeah, @aerwoun is still talking out of their ass. 

[agrarianradfem]

Androcracy also doesn’t cover how power between males, public or private, is passed down. Patriarchy does. Father to son. Or male relative to male relative. That’s most common. That’s why heirs were and are a big deal. It’s why marriage exists and there’s such an emphasis on female virginity. Androcracy covers none of this.

[auntiewanda]

#yesterday a libfem used this word today a conservative#gosh I wonder why#it’s not like either has anything to gain from obfuscation of the language females use to describe their oppression

Yeaaah that’s why I said what is this sudden push? Horseshoe theory in action once again. 

[pronounrespecter]

“androcraty” what kind of covfefe is that

[aerwoun-blog]

“andro” = men “craty” = power power hold by men. Nice reference tho x)

[pronounrespecter]

cracy* but lmao ok

[aerwoun-blog]

Yeah, as I said, I spelled it in the french way at first. If this is the only thing that buggles you, then great.  Peace on you however. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[radafayscage]

The dumbass spelt it wrong as well. Androcracy describes a system of government comprised of men, as denoted by the suffix -cracy. This term is entirely insufficient when we want to examine male authority in the private sphere. Patriarchy doesn’t disappear in domesticity - rather, that’s where it is largely perpetuated. Androcracy’s definition doesn’t cover that. It’s dumb and ineffective.

[auntiewanda]

That’s a good point, so the term is completely insufficient to describe the inherent authority granted by human society to male people for being male in all aspects of society, not just government. 

So yeah, @aerwoun is still talking out of their ass. 

[agrarianradfem]

Androcracy also doesn’t cover how power between males, public or private, is passed down. Patriarchy does. Father to son. Or male relative to male relative. That’s most common. That’s why heirs were and are a big deal. It’s why marriage exists and there’s such an emphasis on female virginity. Androcracy covers none of this.

[auntiewanda]

#yesterday a libfem used this word today a conservative#gosh I wonder why#it’s not like either has anything to gain from obfuscation of the language females use to describe their oppression

Yeaaah that’s why I said what is this sudden push? Horseshoe theory in action once again. 

[pronounrespecter]

“androcraty” what kind of covfefe is that

[aerwoun-blog]

“andro” = men “craty” = power power hold by men. Nice reference tho x)

[aerwoun-blog]

To all the feminists that I’ve pieced off with my post

I would love to go on with the reblogs tonight, but sadly, I’ve realistic things to do. However, I will get on the tracks tomorrow.  (and however, my english get worse when I’m tired, so... I don’t want to make more mistakes than necessary).  Peace on y’all, have a great day. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[radafayscage]

The dumbass spelt it wrong as well. Androcracy describes a system of government comprised of men, as denoted by the suffix -cracy. This term is entirely insufficient when we want to examine male authority in the private sphere. Patriarchy doesn’t disappear in domesticity - rather, that’s where it is largely perpetuated. Androcracy’s definition doesn’t cover that. It’s dumb and ineffective.

[auntiewanda]

That’s a good point, so the term is completely insufficient to describe the inherent authority granted by human society to male people for being male in all aspects of society, not just government. 

So yeah, @aerwoun is still talking out of their ass. 

[agrarianradfem]

Androcracy also doesn’t cover how power between males, public or private, is passed down. Patriarchy does. Father to son. Or male relative to male relative. That’s most common. That’s why heirs were and are a big deal. It’s why marriage exists and there’s such an emphasis on female virginity. Androcracy covers none of this.

[aerwoun-blog]

Nowadays, the power is not passed in a “fathers to sons” way. Have you heard about Wall Street? You could have been born in a family which belong to the “1%”, but nothing guarantees you that you’re going to die in.  It could cover it, the same way as “Patriarchy” didn’t covered it at first. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[radafayscage]

The dumbass spelt it wrong as well. Androcracy describes a system of government comprised of men, as denoted by the suffix -cracy. This term is entirely insufficient when we want to examine male authority in the private sphere. Patriarchy doesn’t disappear in domesticity - rather, that’s where it is largely perpetuated. Androcracy’s definition doesn’t cover that. It’s dumb and ineffective.

[auntiewanda]

That’s a good point, so the term is completely insufficient to describe the inherent authority granted by human society to male people for being male in all aspects of society, not just government. 

So yeah, @aerwoun is still talking out of their ass. 

[aerwoun-blog]

On one hand, you have a word which primarily describes a hierarchical system in a couple branches of christian religions.  On the other hand, you have a word describing power detained solely by males in society, and which understand the notion of misogyny and sexism. Why don’t use the second one. It would have fit in a better way with the idea of oppression that you are describing.  

[auntiewanda]

Do you have any concept of how much adherence to Abrahamic religions and their iron age texts have shaped the world up to today?

And no, patriarchy fits fine, because it describes more than just men controlling the government. You know words can change based on context right? 

Unless you insist people should call it a human interface device because a mouse is a small rodent and doesn’t describe the device you use to navigate your computer screen, and other unnecessary semantic arguments.

[tehbewilderness]

Feminists have chosen this word, Patriarchy, because it best describes the religious and social hierarchy in place all over the world. I should think this would be obvious.

[aerwoun-blog]

Because all religions all over the world are just like the christian orthodoxes and the oriental catholics.  Yeah, sure. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[aerwoun-blog]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.  If they really wanted to solve a problem faced by women, they would have use the right word in the first place. Not creating another meaning to an expression way more “catchy” (because let’s face it, “patriarchy” is way less forgettable than “androcracy”). 

[auntiewanda]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.

Oh you mean that fictional world where for thousands of years human society has based itself around patrilineal lineage that created a vested interest in keeping women as a controlled resource and chattel rather than people who actually participate in society? And that this is reflected in many of our traditions and attitudes across cultures still? And that women are second class citizens in most countries still? And even in developed nations women consistently face economic and societal and sometimes legal inequity? Whew, what a dystopian world that would be.

And that all means feminists should stop using the term patriarchy even though it has a well understood meaning in academic thought and class analysis because… well because you said so. That’s really all you’ve got here.

[tehbewilderness]

Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known. OP’s argument is not only specious but absurd.

[aerwoun-blog]

I honestly think that women are indeed greatly disadvantaged toward males... on a physical point. 

However, that does not mean that everythink that the world is facing today is just because of males.  C’mon, there are sick bastards out there as well as hysterical harpies.

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[aerwoun-blog]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.  If they really wanted to solve a problem faced by women, they would have use the right word in the first place. Not creating another meaning to an expression way more “catchy” (because let’s face it, “patriarchy” is way less forgettable than “androcracy”). 

[auntiewanda]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.

Oh you mean that fictional world where for thousands of years human society has based itself around patrilineal lineage that created a vested interest in keeping women as a controlled resource and chattel rather than people who actually participate in society? And that this is reflected in many of our traditions and attitudes across cultures still? And that women are second class citizens in most countries still? And even in developed nations women consistently face economic and societal and sometimes legal inequity? Whew, what a dystopian world that would be.

And that all means feminists should stop using the term patriarchy even though it has a well understood meaning in academic thought and class analysis because… well because you said so. That’s really all you’ve got here.

[aerwoun-blog]

I’m not saying that life has been always good for women. But things have changed now (more thanks to wars and revolutions than feminism). The mere fact that we don’t agree even if we are both females is a proof that today’s feminism is more a political movement than a fight to free women from actual chains.  Revolutions, wars and capitalism have enabled women to stand where they are today. Of course, I’m talking about western civilizations; the work has not been done in many other countries, and I will gladly help you fighting against female genital mutilation in middle east, or against marriages made with kidnapped brides in Kyrgyzstan.  (edit: and men face many formes of oppression too, because of their gender. We are talking about FGM, but when was the last time you heard someone calling out Male genital Mutilation? Or prostate cancer? Or higher rates of male suicide victims?  ) Again, I think it’s a proof that you guys and gals dont think twice about reality. Time to use this term now; nothing should stop you, you’ve already brought many words (mansplanning, manspreading, …)

[auntiewanda]

The mere fact that we don’t agree even if we are both females is a proof that today’s feminism is more a political movement than a fight to free women from actual chains. 

Ah hey guys an anti-feminist disagrees with me, that means feminism is over! Pack it all up! 

Also feminism had always been a political movement… what do you think the suffragettes were doing?

Revolutions, wars and capitalism have enabled women to stand where they are today.

Which is still far from where we should be. You really think thousands of years of patriarchy got overturned in 100 years? I don’t think you’ve noticed but pervasive, ingrained societal prejudice doesn’t die that easily.

or against marriages made with kidnapped brides in Kyrgyzstan.

How about child brides in the United States? Or human trafficking in France which women and girls are overwhelmingly the victims of? Cause guess what saying “oh everything is fine in the West” is wholly dishonest. 

And none of this justifies why feminists should change their terminology just because you think so.

[aerwoun-blog]

You say you are fighting for women rights. I’m a female. I don’t feel oppressed the way you are describing.

However, I think women are indeed opressed today, just because of their gender (and even in our western countries… but human traficking, child brides and even sexism is punished by law in our countries. Something that couldn’t happen in an oppressive “patriarchy”. I’m all with you if you want to fight for justice. But I think our different notions of “justice” is the thing which divides us. And it’s a political issue). The thing with suffragettes, is that their history is kinda blurred… I mean, it depends on which country you are talking about. In the USA for instance, I know that wealthy women already had the right to vote with their husband, so if there was discrimination, it was based on wealth (poor men couldn’t vote too). Also, in France, the work has been mostly done by men, well placed in the government. And some sufragettes were already hating men at the time, so…  If you admit that this is all about a political movement, then don’t blame women for not wanting to join you. And admit that your work is not made on behalf of every female. Maybe you’re already clarifying this, and if it’s the case, I appreciate it. All feminists don’t have this delicacy…  I think the work has begun with the first revolutions, all over Europe, so it’s older than a century. When men understood that they could choose a leader for its value, and not for his identity traits, the firsts step has been made. Also, the two consecutive wars forced women to work in factories, instead of men… then people understood that we wasn’t that different after all. And all the prosperity that came after the periods of war made women consumers, as well as men. All of this started in Europe, and has been brought in the US (Simone de Beauvoir is the mother of modern day feminism).  Today, nothing could stop me from doing whatever job I want, or sleeping with whoever I want. However, if this would happen, I wouldn’t blame society for it. I would blame the culbprit. And I would help you doing so.  But just because they are still a small percentage of bastards (they are eternal) it does not means that the entire society is rotting on misogyny.  I would fight with you against women traficking in France. And I’m pretty sure that the law will do as well.  It’s just about being honnest. You don’t want to, fine. At least you admit it. 

[auntiewanda]

You say you are fighting for women rights. I’m a female. I don’t feel oppressed the way you are describing.

You as an individual not being capable of class analysis and seemingly largely ignorant of history doesn’t really have much of an impact on patriarchy theory and feminist theory.

and even in our western countries… but human traficking, child brides and even sexism is punished by law in our countries. Something that couldn’t happen in an oppressive “patriarchy”.

Dude, this is precisely what everyone in this thread has been telling you. Patriarchy isn’t a government system, it’s a pervasive social structure that impacts all aspects of life. Again, you as an individual not comprehending the concept beyond your first intuitive guess doesn’t change anything. 

Also, in France, the work has been mostly done by men, well placed in the government. And some sufragettes were already hating men at the time, so… 

Do you understand that “the work has been mostly done by men” because men actively disallowed women for participating in society outside of being their wives that procured their lineage and their daughters whom they could give to another man as a wife for social favor? That’s what the term patriarchy is describing.

But the point about the suffragettes was you claiming feminism has become a political movement and that’s somehow bad, even though it has always been a political movement. Some rich men enabling their wives to be able to break the law on women voting doesn’t change that. Keep on topic. 

If you admit that this is all about a political movement, then don’t blame women for not wanting to join you. And admit that your work is not made on behalf of every female.

How is striving for female liberation not on behalf of every female? Another woman doesn’t have to be a feminist or even agree with me for me to be striving for her rights and liberation. Just like other people don’t have to be secular humanists for me to follow my ethics regarding them as a secular humanist myself. What do you think this is? “You’re not in my club so I’m not helping you”?

Also, the two consecutive wars forced women to work in factories, instead of men…

Right. Which proved women could work those jobs. Which ushered in second wave feminism and the fight for women to be able to participate in the workforce and various industries outside of the limited occupations they could have (before being expected to give those up when married.) Most of the male populace would have rathered women retreated back into their submissive, servile roles even after this demonstration that women are just as capable. People still push this idea today in all cultures. 

Today, nothing could stop me from doing whatever job I want

Except the active discouragement of interests women are expected to not have from a young age and the hostile environments of male dominated industry and the devaluing of any industry that begins to have a lot of women in it. Like how secretarial work became devalued when it became seen as a “woman’s” job or how doctors are paid abysmally low in Russia because most doctors are women, just as some examples. 

I wouldn’t blame society for it. I would blame the culbprit. And I would help you doing so.

The “culprit” isn’t somehow divorced from society. Every single one of us are a product of the society around us. Like with any systemic prejudice one must find the root cause. 

It’s just about being honnest. You don’t want to, fine. At least you admit it.

So what about anything I’ve said is dishonest? And how is you saying feminists should use a term other than patriarchy just because not dishonest?

[aerwoun-blog]

Funny how you just assumed my student background. Also, maybe that’s my case,... but for every anti-feminist girl out there? Are you dismissing their arguments because they are “ignorant”? The men does not seems to be the one opressing them here... If laws and society is not the problem here, then why do you guys want to change them? Or maybe you don’t? ... Because I don’t know to which kind of feminist I’m talking to right now. They are way too many branches. What I meant is they were not the sick misogynysts keeping their women in chains that you are describing. If they were able to give them the opportunity to vote, and not keeping them as their slaves... then it seems like misogyny wasn’t that strong in them. Seems also like they were able to love them.  So, to stay in the track of the politic aspect... what 3rd way feminism fight would you compare to the fight of suffragettes to enable women to vote? True question, not sarcasm.  Great if you think this way (again, not being sarcastic here)! But in this case, since “justice for women” is a terme used with very different meanings, by all kind of women (feminists or not), then when it comes to taking actions, we are always confronting each other. Maybe we could just take a break, and focusing on these issues more seriously. But I don’t know, with the theory of “patriarchy”,it seems like all women who don’t agree with it is suffering from internalised misogyny... and that doesn’t help to make a bound between women, regardeless of their believes.  I disagree with people who want to force females to be eternal housewives, so I would help you calling them out. However, I have the feeling that today, women who genuinely want to build a family and be a mother at home with their children are discriminated. I believe that every women should have the choice, and whatever that might be, she shouldn’t be shamed for it. If you believe that too, then we don’t have to argue more. However, once again, I have the feeling that the “patriarchy” theory push the idea that females who choose to have this way of life are just submissive toward their husband. And that’s harmfull, in my opinion.  If there are assholes who want to prevent women to be astrophysicians or to work on an off shore oil rig, then go ahead, take them into court. But the lack of gender diversity in some jobs has nothing to with the patriarchy theory. For instance, if you look at Sweden, who have the most equal system in all governments, you can see that there are still great differences between men and women. Even greater than in other countries (my source is this report, and I’m sorry for the title, but it’s the only video that I’ve found in english). So maybe you didn’t implied the contrary (sorry then), but we have to acknowledge the fact that natural differences still exists between men and women, and maybe that leads them into different fields... And the gender wage gap is still a myth, but that’s for another post (if the gender wage gap is as real as the feminists are describing it, then explain the problem encountered here ). I think you are partly right, however I would add this; we are born in a society which defines us in some way, but we are still able to distance our point of view from society’s. Proof is, in spite of centuries of “patriarchy”, you are able today to think outside this box. And I’m sure this has nothing to do with the fact that you are a female experiencing oppression in your daily life; I think it’s because you are a human being able to think for himslef, just like a vast majority of human being, male or female, with good or bad intentions.  I mean, you acknowledged that “androcracy” would have work better in the first place. You have the power to use this word now (it’s not even doing me a favor to use it... it’s just about ethymology). If you don’t want to, then... that doesn’t seem to be very honest. I mean really. (I know I sounded harsh at first, but know that now I’m really chill, so I don’t want to sound agressive or anything). 

[palemusicjellyfish]

*shows up 15 minutes late with covfefe*

[jewishmagpie-deactivated2018092]

Wait... are you Jewish??

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[radafayscage]

The dumbass spelt it wrong as well. Androcracy describes a system of government comprised of men, as denoted by the suffix -cracy. This term is entirely insufficient when we want to examine male authority in the private sphere. Patriarchy doesn’t disappear in domesticity - rather, that’s where it is largely perpetuated. Androcracy’s definition doesn’t cover that. It’s dumb and ineffective.

[auntiewanda]

That’s a good point, so the term is completely insufficient to describe the inherent authority granted by human society to male people for being male in all aspects of society, not just government. 

So yeah, @aerwoun is still talking out of their ass. 

[aerwoun-blog]

On one hand, you have a word which primarily describes a hierarchical system in a couple branches of christian religions.  On the other hand, you have a word describing power detained solely by males in society, and which understand the notion of misogyny and sexism. Why don’t use the second one. It would have fit in a better way with the idea of oppression that you are describing.  

[auntiewanda]

Do you have any concept of how much adherence to Abrahamic religions and their iron age texts have shaped the world up to today?

And no, patriarchy fits fine, because it describes more than just men controlling the government. You know words can change based on context right? 

Unless you insist people should call it a human interface device because a mouse is a small rodent and doesn’t describe the device you use to navigate your computer screen, and other unnecessary semantic arguments.

[aerwoun-blog]

Thing is, all Abrahamic religions are really not the same. Sunni Islam has pretty much nothing to do with the Quakers, and the Sikhs are very different from the Egyptian Copts (Sikh is derivated from Islam). The patriarchal system, as a denomination, only exists in two branches, which are not even the biggest.  And nowadays, everything is done to get rid of christianism, so... of course, you will always find a bunch of catholics willing to lead another crusade, but honestly, since they are definively separated from government in western countries (at least in Europe), they are pretty harmless.  You are free to criticize them today, or even spit on them, you won’t face charges (as long as you don’t hurt anyone). If there is a problem, it’s definitely not in religion.  If words could so easily change on context, then why not using “Androcray”. I don’t understand why the choice has been made in the first place. And to be fair, the meaning of words depend on who use it, not only on the context. It’s like the hoax of the “white supremacist” symbol... a bunch of 4chan folks wanted to make a gigantic joke, so they decided to make everyone think that the “ok” sign was indeed a white supremacist symbol. Some of them were well placed, and here we are. Context + person who use this word. You’re a feminist, followed by many other persons like you. If tomorow you wanted to use the term andocracy in stead of patriarchy, you would certainly be followed.  Everyone has agreed to use the word “mouse”, because it depicted something that we could actually describe, and which everyone could agree with (it’s just a device, like you said). But it’s really not the case for the “patriarchy” word. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[aerwoun-blog]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.  If they really wanted to solve a problem faced by women, they would have use the right word in the first place. Not creating another meaning to an expression way more “catchy” (because let’s face it, “patriarchy” is way less forgettable than “androcracy”). 

[auntiewanda]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.

Oh you mean that fictional world where for thousands of years human society has based itself around patrilineal lineage that created a vested interest in keeping women as a controlled resource and chattel rather than people who actually participate in society? And that this is reflected in many of our traditions and attitudes across cultures still? And that women are second class citizens in most countries still? And even in developed nations women consistently face economic and societal and sometimes legal inequity? Whew, what a dystopian world that would be.

And that all means feminists should stop using the term patriarchy even though it has a well understood meaning in academic thought and class analysis because… well because you said so. That’s really all you’ve got here.

[aerwoun-blog]

I’m not saying that life has been always good for women. But things have changed now (more thanks to wars and revolutions than feminism). The mere fact that we don’t agree even if we are both females is a proof that today’s feminism is more a political movement than a fight to free women from actual chains.  Revolutions, wars and capitalism have enabled women to stand where they are today. Of course, I’m talking about western civilizations; the work has not been done in many other countries, and I will gladly help you fighting against female genital mutilation in middle east, or against marriages made with kidnapped brides in Kyrgyzstan.  (edit: and men face many formes of oppression too, because of their gender. We are talking about FGM, but when was the last time you heard someone calling out Male genital Mutilation? Or prostate cancer? Or higher rates of male suicide victims?  ) Again, I think it’s a proof that you guys and gals dont think twice about reality. Time to use this term now; nothing should stop you, you’ve already brought many words (mansplanning, manspreading, …)

[auntiewanda]

The mere fact that we don’t agree even if we are both females is a proof that today’s feminism is more a political movement than a fight to free women from actual chains. 

Ah hey guys an anti-feminist disagrees with me, that means feminism is over! Pack it all up! 

Also feminism had always been a political movement… what do you think the suffragettes were doing?

Revolutions, wars and capitalism have enabled women to stand where they are today.

Which is still far from where we should be. You really think thousands of years of patriarchy got overturned in 100 years? I don’t think you’ve noticed but pervasive, ingrained societal prejudice doesn’t die that easily.

or against marriages made with kidnapped brides in Kyrgyzstan.

How about child brides in the United States? Or human trafficking in France which women and girls are overwhelmingly the victims of? Cause guess what saying “oh everything is fine in the West” is wholly dishonest. 

And none of this justifies why feminists should change their terminology just because you think so.

[aerwoun-blog]

You say you are fighting for women rights. I’m a female. I don’t feel oppressed the way you are describing.

However, I think women are indeed opressed today, just because of their gender (and even in our western countries... but human traficking, child brides and even sexism is punished by law in our countries. Something that couldn’t happen in an oppressive “patriarchy”. I’m all with you if you want to fight for justice. But I think our different notions of “justice” is the thing which divides us. And it’s a political issue). The thing with suffragettes, is that their history is kinda blurred... I mean, it depends on which country you are talking about. In the USA for instance, I know that wealthy women already had the right to vote with their husband, so if there was discrimination, it was based on wealth (poor men couldn’t vote too). Also, in France, the work has been mostly done by men, well placed in the government. And some sufragettes were already hating men at the time, so...  If you admit that this is all about a political movement, then don’t blame women for not wanting to join you. And admit that your work is not made on behalf of every female. Maybe you’re already clarifying this, and if it’s the case, I appreciate it. All feminists don’t have this delicacy...  I think the work has begun with the first revolutions, all over Europe, so it’s older than a century. When men understood that they could choose a leader for its value, and not for his identity traits, the firsts step has been made. Also, the two consecutive wars forced women to work in factories, instead of men... then people understood that we wasn’t that different after all. And all the prosperity that came after the periods of war made women consumers, as well as men. All of this started in Europe, and has been brought in the US (Simone de Beauvoir is the mother of modern day feminism).  Today, nothing could stop me from doing whatever job I want, or sleeping with whoever I want. However, if this would happen, I wouldn’t blame society for it. I would blame the culbprit. And I would help you doing so.  But just because they are still a small percentage of bastards (they are eternal) it does not means that the entire society is rotting on misogyny.  I would fight with you against women traficking in France. And I’m pretty sure that the law will do as well.  It’s just about being honnest. You don’t want to, fine. At least you admit it. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[thesinisterspinster]

Wow peeps being dense here. Its called patriarcy because father right is its root. The obsession with women being pure and virginal so a man can tell that her offspring is also his because men cant stand the idea of not having some kind of ownership of children. The notion of the nuclear family and thw father as the head of household. Yes you absolutely see it in most religion because suprise its made up by men seeking to hold power over a larger group of people man is head of family god is head of man and gods representatives take on the name of father. Even the current discusting use of daddy. No one is mistaken here it is not just men in charge. Its men useing their percived right of fatherhood as reasoning to controll women enmasse. Its not a mistake. We dont need your mansplaining or your “fatherly” help to see the error of our ways. This modern twisting of language is just an attempt to make it more difficult to exspress what is happening.

[aerwoun-blog]

All this gymnastic to try to excuse this word...  Androcracy would have work way better. 

[aerwoun-blog]

“Patriarchy”

Why have feminists chosen this word.   I mean, before all this shitstorm led by them, “patriarchy” was used to design a hierarchical system in the orthodox church. Or in the oriental catholic church.  If you people want to speak about a social system led by males, why don’t you call it by his name? Like an “androcraty”.  At least make yourself credible in your attempt to push your narrative :)

[fairypage-deactivated20190421]

feminists didn’t choose this word, you idiot. it’s an impartial term used generally in the social sciences to describe a government or household where most of the power is held by men. 

it’s literally the name for a social system led by males. like, the dictionary term. if there were no feminist writers it would still be the dictionary term, because that is what it means

this is because it is translated to mean ‘rule by the father’, father meaning somebody who is male

what does political credibility have to do with the origin of a word

[auntiewanda]

What is with this sudden push to use “androcraty” instead of “patriarchy”? Is it because talking about patriarchy theory is hurting the feels of men? 

Or is it just a way to try to make women look bad like when people (mostly men) say “I’m not a feminist I’m an ✧*: egalitarian : *✧ that’s far superior” as they simultaneously argue the wage gap doesn’t exist while hilariously ignorant to the fact that egalitarianism is largely an economic theory. 

[aerwoun-blog]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older. You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.  But na, let’s use something more understandable, lets make it ours, so every one will remember us when this word will be said :) How is it an attempt to look women bad? Since all women are far from being feminists, it’s only about feminism. 

Oh, and btw sunshine, the wage gap doesn’t exist  ^^

[auntiewanda]

I mean, the only “push” I’m giving is to acknowledge the fact that there’s another word which describes the effect of  “patriarchy”, a word older.

Who cares? Patriarchy is already a term used academically and succinctly describes the social system that has globally been preferential to males and oppressive to females for millennia. 

You want to describes a society lead by men oppressing women? Go ahead, here’s one: “androcracy”.

We already have a word, thanks, no one really cares about your pointless semantics. 

[aerwoun-blog]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.  Yes, I agree; the world in which you’re living don’t have that much importance. What you want to know is how you can appropriate it for the sake of your argument ^^

[auntiewanda]

It’s used since a long time time, indeed (the seventees), but it has been brought by feminists in the first place.

Well, again: so what? What would be the benefit of switching terms when patriarchy theory is already a well-understood academic concept?

You sound like a creationist saying something like “You should use the word naturalism instead of the word evolution cause it’s older" just because they personally don’t like the word evolution. I mean, really, what is your point?

[aerwoun-blog]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.  If they really wanted to solve a problem faced by women, they would have use the right word in the first place. Not creating another meaning to an expression way more “catchy” (because let’s face it, “patriarchy” is way less forgettable than “androcracy”). 

[auntiewanda]

All I’m saying is that the word “patriarchy” and the way it is used nowadays is only a proof that feminism don’t want to deal with reality, but build its own fictionnal world.

Oh you mean that fictional world where for thousands of years human society has based itself around patrilineal lineage that created a vested interest in keeping women as a controlled resource and chattel rather than people who actually participate in society? And that this is reflected in many of our traditions and attitudes across cultures still? And that women are second class citizens in most countries still? And even in developed nations women consistently face economic and societal and sometimes legal inequity? Whew, what a dystopian world that would be.

And that all means feminists should stop using the term patriarchy even though it has a well understood meaning in academic thought and class analysis because… well because you said so. That’s really all you’ve got here.

[aerwoun-blog]

I’m not saying that life has been always good for women. But things have changed now (more thanks to wars and revolutions than feminism). The mere fact that we don’t agree even if we are both females is a proof that today’s feminism is more a political movement than a fight to free women from actual chains.  Revolutions, wars and capitalism have enabled women to stand where they are today. Of course, I’m talking about western civilizations; the work has not been done in many other countries, and I will gladly help you fighting against female genital mutilation in middle east, or against marriages made with kidnapped brides in Kyrgyzstan.  (edit: and men face many formes of oppression too, because of their gender. We are talking about FGM, but when was the last time you heard someone calling out Male genital Mutilation? Or prostate cancer? Or higher rates of male suicide victims?  ) Again, I think it’s a proof that you guys and gals dont think twice about reality. Time to use this term now; nothing should stop you, you’ve already brought many words (mansplanning, manspreading, ...)