Golden Star in a Sea of Blood

|Jonathan|29| |pansexual|demiromantic|trans|he/him| |therian|otherkin|fictionkin|about|

[angelic-polar-fox]

Hey there! I saw your post about Kardiatype/Empeiríatype awhile ago, and I was very intrigued by it because the feeling you’re describing is something I resonate heavily with considering some of my fictiotypes I don’t feel super connected with anymore, but still have an impact on my person. I wasn’t sure if your DMs were open, but I’d enjoy having a chat about it sometime, if you still coin that term and identify as such (or even if you don’t anymore, I’d still be interested in chatting about it!)

Hey! Sorry for the late response.

But sure! I'm always happy to chat about this topic~

[angelic-polar-fox]

Here we are again at "Am I projecting or awakening?"

[angelic-polar-fox]

I had contemplated a hearttype being potentially a kardiatype, and today I'm thinking about it again, it might be more likely to remain a hearttype that's a past life (if it were) than to be called a kardiatype. I have a kardiatype, and the feelings I have about it is different than my hearttype, which, while being potentially a past life, is not the **structure** of who I am as a whole. What do you think? As the one who coined Kardiatype/Empeiríatype

Well, firstly I think whatever feels more correct to you should be the term you use.

Secondly, yes. This difference you describe is kind of the reason I couned the term in the first place. So it would probably make more sense to not call this other hearttype also a kardiatype.

[kincentral-deactivated20151229]

50 Kin Related Asks!

I see like 0 kin related ask games so cinderpelt-storm and I made this one!! Hope you all enjoy!

1. What was your first kintype?

2. What was it like discovering you were otherkin?

3. Do/does your kintype(s) impact your personality/actions in any way? If so, how?

4. What kintype(s) interest you most?

5. What do you like most about your own kintype(s)?

6. What do you dislike most about your own kintype(s)?

7. Are you questioning any kintype(s)? If so, which one(s)?

8. What is your favorite kin-related memory or thought?

9. Do you have any phantom limbs? What are they?

10. What kind of things make your certain kintypes happy?

11. What is your favorite uncommon kintype?

12. What is your favorite common kintype?

13. How did you find out you were otherkin?

14. What activities do/does your kintype(s) enjoy?

15. What kind of weather do/does your kintype(s) enjoy?

16. What types of places do/does your kintype(s) enjoy?

17. What kinds of food do/does your kintype(s) like?

18. Do you tell people outside of Tumblr about your kintypes?

19. What, if any, attributes of yourself remind you of your kintype(s)?

20. What kind of things make your kinfeels stronger?

21. What types of company do/does your kintype(s) enjoy?

22. Do you like the blogs about recipes for certain kin?

23. Do you like the blogs about clothing/fashion for kin?

24. Do any certain music types appeal to your kin(s)? If so, what kind(s)?

25. How many kintypes do you have?

26. Do you want more/less kintypes?

27. Do you decorate/have decorations in your room/house that relate to your kintype(s)?

28. Do any certain smells appeal to your kintype(s)?

29. Is/are your kintype(s) attracted to any types of people, personality-wise?

30. Does anything about yourself contrast the stereotypes of your kin(s)?

31. What feels like home to your kintype(s)?

32. Do/does your kintype(s) enjoy any TV shows, movies, etc. in particular?

33. Do/does your kintype(s) look drastically different from your human form?

34. What does your favorite kintype of yours look like?

35. What is/are your kintype(s)?

36. Do you have any fictionkin type(s)? If so, what are they?

37. When did you discover your first kintype?

38. Do/does your kintype(s) prefer light or darkness more?

39. Do you have any collections that relate to your kintype(s)? (ex: a hoard of jewels for a dragonkin)

40. Have you picked up any hobbies or activities because of your kintype(s)?

41. Do/does your kintype(s) enjoy intimacy or space?

42. Have you met anyone else with the same kintype(s) as you?

43. Do you enjoy talking to people with the same kintype(s) as you?

44. Do you dress differently based on your kintype(s)?

45. How long have you had your oldest kintype?

46. Does anything give you specific kinfeels? (ex: music, certain movies, etc.)

47. Is/are your kintype(s) stereotypically “good” or “bad”?

48. Do you express your kintype(s) in some way? If so, how do you express them? (ex: art, dancing, etc.)

49. Are you having trouble accepting any kintype(s)? If so, what kintype(s) and why?

50. What was the first kintype you’ve heard of?

[derangeddroid]

“Your all fake! You only kin things from shows you like!”

Me who’s not even a Star Wars fan:

[ars3n1cc]

is there a word for like. being a thing but it not being a kintype?? like...you *are* said thing, you feel like it, want to encompass it, but...youre not actually it, its not you but it is a part of you. its..hard to explain please help :'3

[aestherians]

Otherhearted? Heartednesss can take many forms. I occasionally get unicorn shifts where I 'am' a unicorn, but I know I'm not actually one. Like temporarily embodying a unicorn.

Or it could be something else ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[angelic-polar-fox]

Could also may be a Kardiatype (also called Empeiríatype). As in you once where that being but you changed so much because of that that you aren’t it anymore, but because of how much it changed you it’s still really important to who you are

still need to better write down a definition for this, especially when it comes to psychological kardiatypes

[angelic-polar-fox]

friend: ...and then there are people who identify as a fox or some shit

me:

[angelic-polar-fox]

Characterspecific Archetpycical Paratype

When it comes to archetypical kintypes and paratypes the definition is still very blurry sometimes, so for the longest time I kept questioning two specific characters and what they actually could be to me. But I think I found the answer.

One of my fictotypes is Byakuya Togami from Danganronpa. And the two characters I questioned for a long time are Nobuchika Ginoza from Psycho Pass and Cheren from Pokemon Black and White. And in my last Byakuya shift I realized something: The similarities.  (I mean, they even look similar!)

I noticed that you could categorize them all under a similar or even the same archetype and because of that Ginoza and Cheren always send me into a Byakuya shifts when I am confronted with their media.

Because of that I finally figured out what they are to me, Paratypes connected to Byakuyas Character Archetype.

[angelic-polar-fox]

How a hearttype gave birth to a parallel life of a paratype - A view on the connection between spiritual and psychological roots for otherkinity

[Before I start, I want to point out that the following will be my own experience I simply wanted to write down for a while. Neither of what will be written here is there to dictate other peoples experiences or ways of feeling non/alterhuman.]

The one great discussion within our community is usually the differences between spiritual and psychological reasons for one's identity: Which is more real? Which is more valid? Questions like these are talked about a lot and both sides don’t really want to listen to the other point of view. 

This is ridiculous as it is on it’s own, but I feel like many people forget that spiritual and psychological explanations can often be intertwined. There is the obvious: Identity is caused by ones psychologically. 

Yes, the kintype itself may or may not be there because of a past life, but still identify as that being is a psychological process. This is something I do see people talk about sometimes. The root may be a spiritual one, but at the end of the day the process of identification is still a psychological matter. 

What I don’t see people talk about though is the other way around. I don’t know how long it took me to figure out the basic of this one identity I have, because it’s nothing that ever came to my mind. 

It seems to be such an odd concept that I ignored it for so long. A spiritual connection that came to be because of a psychological phenomena. 

It only dawned on me when I thought a bit more about one of my hearttypes: Kuja from the game Final Fantasy IX. 

I still remember, when I first played the game almost 20 years ago it had a huge impact on me. Long story short: Kuja was created for one purpose alone, to wage war. In the end he does something to redeem himself and even though he dies before he is able to actually walk the road of redemption, the other characters in the game see his sacrifice as a source of hope. 

Seeing the man who tried to kill the heroes multiple times to save them in the end because he realized his wrong doings formed a lot of my personal morality. If someone makes the effort to better themselves they deserve a second chance.  As sad as it is, this usually isn‘t the case in real life. 

I consider Kuja a hearttype because his story and character shaped a really important part of my core identity: Pacifism and second chances. But when I grew older and saw more of the world I realized that this isn‘t how our world is made. There are a lot of people who don’t make an effort to become better, and there are a lot of people who do but aren‘t given a chance and somewhere along the line of seeing the world for what it is, a part of my soul, at least that’s what I believe, found another world where the core idea of my morality is the law. 

I had a different parallel life once, one that is now a past life. Through a lot of meditation or introspection the explanation I found for the cause of my old parallel life was some form of split soul, a tiny part of my soul that got separated for some reason long time ago living somewhere else, but all life end one day, even if it’s after 5000 of years and this tiny part of my soul came back not knowing if it even belonged in this world I am now. But shortly after it found a new world, the world I mentioned above. 

My parallel life is a spiritual thing. A piece of my soul inhabited another body in another world but the reason for this to happen was a psychological one, the desire to life in a world where the core of my identity would fit into, a core that formed almost two decades ago. And it’s also not a world that is in any way similar to the source of my hearttype. It’s not that I came up with a world that would fit my needs or desires, it’s not that I started to think what my ideal world would be like. It’s so different from anything I would’ve come up with on my own. Because at first I thought: What if it’s just something I created myself subconsciously? But given how different it is from everything I’ve ever created, and how it just came to be so suddenly after my old parallel life ended I can’t see how it’s something my psyche made up. It was just that I had a desire and a piece of my soul sought out a way to make a spiritual connection to something that may could fulfil that desire. 

A paratype, with a parallel life, of a hearttype.

[transgenderdude-deactivated2022]

We really need to break this molding that otherkin/alterhumans/nonhumans/whatever instantly understand their identity and are stable with it. I kinfirmed and unkinfirmed so many times you cant even imagine , which is completely fine! It took me years to understand my breed, which is fine! It took others a day to understand their breed/species,which is fine! Its not always “I’ve questioned blank for awhile and then finally kinfirmed blank and have known im blank for years!” , it can sometimes look more like “I’ve questioned blank and blank and blank and then stopped and realized i was actually blank instead today! But now im thinking i could actually be blank or blank”

[otherkin-confessional]

I feel like I'm too old to be otherkin. Like I only see people age 13-17 here and I feel really weird about it. I should grow up, forget about it or act like it's not important. Are here any 20+ otherkins ?

🌌

[a-dragons-journal]

I'm only barely over 20, but a lot of my otherkin friends are older than me. Never forget that there's not a small group of people in this community who've been identifying as nonhuman for literal decades - y'ain't alone, promise. It's just that Tumblr's age demographic skews lower in general.

[aestherians]

I'm 23 and have mostly hung around 'kin who are 25+. I feel like a wee whippersnapper compared to some of them lol. There are plenty of 'kin over 20, I promise you. Even 'kin over 30 are not that uncommon. You just don't see them much because they've figured out their identities so they have little need of the wider community, they're busy dealing with human responsibilities like jobs and rent and family, and/or they've grown tired of the community because the exact same discourse repeats itself every few years.

[angelic-polar-fox]

Well, I turned 29 this day. So there are definately some +20 otherkin out there. Personally most people I met are actuallly +20, so don’t worry.

[angelic-polar-fox]

hi! i've been wondering if this character could be a fictionhearted (heartedtype?), but i don't know much else other than the definition

maybe it fits, but the thing is that i don't understand how being one is supposed to feel like

i feel a strong connection to this character (but it could be just a thing of the monent dunno), i don't feel like that's me and it definitely isn't a choice. i alternate between this to "i just related strongly to him" so maybe it's just kff? but i also don't even get what it is i relate to

it does feel different here than any other character, but maybe that's just cause it's my current hyperfixation. he's not even my fave, though

it could also just be because i coped with him some months ago

thank you in advance

Hey~ Sorry for the late response, I just had a lot to do the last days

Apart from the "strongly relate to/with" part from the definition of 'hearted, one important aspect of such identety is usually, that this way of relating to/with or your love for that character/being is something that makes you you.

As in, you wouldn't be the same person if it wouldn't be for this character. In that regard it also doesn't really matter if it sometimes comes and goes, because it's just normal that feelings are sometimes a bit stronger or weaker depending on your mood.

As an example, I'm fictohearted with Kuja from Final Fantasy IX, the reason for that is, that his story had a great impact on me, when I was a child (the time I first played the game). Overall the whole game shaped much of my morality, but especially Kuja is one big reason why I personally have the outlook on life I do have. I doubt I would be the same person I am now, if it wouldn't be for him. At first I thought he could be a fictotype, but I eventually realized that this wasn't the case.

The advice I can give you is to think of the follow: - what exactly about the character makes me relate to him? - is there something about that character that changes me or makes me the way I am?

It's also important to maybe try to ignore the source for a while to see if the feelings will come back on it's own later on. And one thing I also would like to mention: It's completely possible for one character to be a fictiontype, a hearttype and a copinglink in one.

I hope I could help a bit. I usually don't like to pass the torch and stuff, but since I'm hardly a savant when it comes to hearttypes, I'd recommend to maybe also ask @aestherians since rae knows a lot more about this whole topic than I do.

Good luck in your questioning process!

[aestherians]

What you need to understand is that psychological and spiritual ‘kin start out with fundamentally the same nonhuman/fictional experiences. They reach different conclusions based on their pre-existing worldview, but when you strip the experiences down to their barebones essentials, they have a lot more in common than not. Really, this is how most experiences work. We see, hear, and feel the same thing, we’re subjected to the same stimulus, we just process it differently.

Let me give you an example. My courtee believes in ghosts. I don’t believe in ghost, but I do believe in vætter. My mom doesn’t believe in either. My courtee grew up in a haunted house where they would see shadow people and hear disembodied music at night. They believe it was ghosts. I would’ve believed it to be landvætter. My mom would’ve blamed the wind, the waterpipes, and her own tired mind. We would all have experienced the same thing: Shadows and music at night. But we would process it in wildly different ways based on our worldview and whatever beliefs we already had.

When I awakened as a gnoll it started with phantom limbs, a few not-quite-human instincts, and vague dysphoria. When I realized what I was experiencing seemed gnollish, I started experiencing visions, flashbacks, and memories, and I began to “just know” several things about this life. But I’ve never believed in the multiverse, and I don’t believe that Pathfinder/D&D is actually happening on another planet. It couldn’t be caused by another physical life, because I don’t believe it’s possible for a life like what I’m “recalling” to physically exist. It sure feels like it’s physically real and happening. But it doesn’t make logical sense to me.

The brain is incredibly powerful and mysterious. I’ve personally had periods of frequent auditory hallucinations and when I get migraines they’re usually accompanied by visual disturbances and hallucinations. Other people have reported all kinds of things, conjured by their brains, that no one else could see. It’s not a stretch to imagine that the brain could create a parallel or past life over the course of several years, fueled by the works of fiction.

The base experience is the same regardless of belief. It’s just the conclusion that’s different.

[fromfiction]

Broadly speaking, I agree with this: for the most part spiritually aligned and psychologically aligned fictionkin do experience the same kinds of things.

The main difference is that while no spiritual fictionkin believes that these experiences can’t be generated by the brain, some psychological fictionkin believe that these experiences can ONLY be generated by the brain, and are not shy about telling people that in their opinion spiritual interpretations are incorrect interpretations of an objective reality.

The brain is powerful and mysterious, however it is important to remember that  the world we live in is powerful and mysterious beyond any of our full understanding.

Someone experiencing internally manifesting phenomena such as phantom limbs, unexplained memories and visions, received knowledge without apparent source etc, might me experiencing a purely psychological phenomenon, however it is important to remember that they could also be experiencing an objectively real magical phenomenon that our current science and social understanding of the universe is incapable of quantifying.

Just because a psychological explanation is possible doesn’t mean that a psychological explanation will be objectively correct every time, and there is no way for anyone to prove otherwise.

[angelic-polar-fox]

Can ones identity shift from a kintype to a kardiatype overtime? Like having a strong feeling of being something/someone when consuming media for example, and that feeling fading once you move on to something new

What you descripe is usually called a fictionflicker. It is usually seen as an temporarily identity caused by exposer to the source of the identity (for example watching a show). That aside, I think it possible that a kintype can become a kardiatype overtime. The whole thing about a kardiatype is afterall that you don't identify AS the being anymore because of how much you've changed because of kintype related experiences and feelings. When I coined the term I had more of a "past life" vs "now" approach in mind, but I don't see why it also couldn't happen in one life over time. People can change very much, so yes, I think it would be possible.

[extranth]

Proposed kardiatype symbols? Maybe???

Kardiatype: A past life that, while still being very important to an individual's identity, is not something they still identify as in this life. Coined by angelic-polar-fox here. Also called an empeiríatype.

I noticed that kardiatypes have no real way of being represented, whether by a flag or a symbol, so I worked on a few symbols here with varying levels of complexity. I'm in no way saying these are THE kardiatype symbols, I just wanted to have a few out there, and maybe other people will be inspired to make their own?

The rings on the outside are meant to represent one's body and soul. This is where your identity is, so it makes sense it'd be shown on a kardiatype symbol.

The small circle with a dot in the middle is meant to represent two things: It is an eye, which represents insight, or knowledge of one's previous life(s). It is also the symbol for the Sun, which can represent the center of someone's identity/soul.

The X, then, which is on 2 of the 3, represents how one no longer identifies as their kardiatype(s), while still acknowledging that they were there, and are still important to their identity.

[mosschef-deactivated20260419]

what if...we used click instead of kin/kinnie 😳

jk.....

unless 👀

jokes aside click is a pretty cool word, im not making kffs use it but if you want to! maybe it’ll help with discourse.

(this is for kin for fun)

[angelic-polar-fox]

But I honestly wonder if this could work?

Like, so far, when people encountered a kinnie, the reaction would be something similar to “Stop using our words” which often comes off as very rude and bossy. But what if we instead just do “Oh, so you mean clicking?”

It’s technically the same, but it still changes from “I forbid you use the word kin” to “Here is what your experiences are actually called”. I feel this could cause less resistance from the side of the kinnies.

[angelic-polar-fox]

what are your problems with psychological beliefs?

Firstly, I don't have a problem with psychological beliefes as a whole, or with all beliefes that fall under that category.

And the problems I do have are, to be completly honest, really irrational personal issues.

It's something that I don't like about myself.

I often notice how I will have negative feelings towards indivuduals that "corfirm" a bad cliché.

A gamer that started to play games because they had no friends. A cosplayer that started to cosplay because they wanted attention. Things like that sometimes make me feels uneasy. There is this bitch inside me saying "These people are the reason why people think the same of you", even though I know it's not true.

And there are psychological beliefs that are similar to that "I watched that media when I was at a very vulnerable state and I started to take on that identity of a character to steel myself involuntary which is how it became a fictotype" and there is absolutly nothing wrong with that. I am simply weird sometimes haha