give me the roses while i live

[animalcomplaint]

I... pardon?!

[animalcomplaint]

Had to wear leggings as street clothes today and felt uncomfortable even with an oversize top on... I really am meek and modest like susan b. anthony

[morlock-holmes]

So, I’m going to use what I think is actually a really under discussed, important observation to discuss something pretty trivial.

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[thathopeyetlives]

I feel like this is a bit doubly notable for both the position being unfamiliar, and, well, guns being unfamiliar.

Much more specifically: I very often see this mentality that is very focused on the notion of a firearm as something magically totally outside of normal physical capabilities and everyday objects, as something that doesn’t have any continuity with, say, a knife or club or even bare hands on the one side, and fantastical sci-fi weapons on the other hand.

This is often commented on (and roundly mocked) in terms of just how ridiculously fetishistic it often is, or weird double standards.

But this is its own category (including the idea of skeletonization apparently being outside the normal band of violence and the normal band of technology that will always be with you)?

(A common form of fetishistic anti-gun talk is the notion that people will act totally different from normal human psychology when they have a gun, “almost everyone gets turned into skeletons” seems to be an example of that.)

[morlock-holmes]

I will say that from my perspective, a lot of gun rights advocates seem to act like carrying a weapon has no connotations whatsoever, which seems like a fairly modern and strange opinion.

Like, there’s lots of tools that can incidentally be used as weapons, and those certainly aren’t immune from panic but a pistol isn’t really like a box cutter, it’s not a tool that can be wielded as an impromptu weapon, it’s a very powerful weapon, and that’s its only purpose.

Historically, it seems to me that most societies do tend to think of openly carrying weapons as a practice that connotes something. In many societies openly carrying weapons has been restricted as a privilege of certain classes, or restricted to certain times and places, or both, out of recognition that wielding a weapon does make it easier to injure or kill people, that’s… that’s kind of why we have them.

This has absolutely nothing to do with that cartoon, I guess I’m just saying that while you say, with pretty good reasons, that gun control advocates often kind of act like a gun is totally out of continuity with all other forms of violence, I feel like a lot of NRA types go in the exact opposite extreme, treating guns as having absolutely no differences from bare fists or utility knives.

[animalcomplaint]

They also... kind of are magically totally outside of normal physical capabilities? Someone with a gun has the ability to project violence at a distance in a way that's totally different than someone with a club or a knife. Also I'm less concerned about the ability of the Good Guy With The Club to like, aim the club

[animalcomplaint]

new football position the earring back

[transgenderer]

started hemingway "the short stories" (2 bucks at the thrift store!). opening story ("short happy life of francis macomber") is really good, but in the same vein as his discussion of bullfighting i think hemingway gives way too much respect to dues who really arent doing stuff that dangerous. i feel like it CAN be a cool, almost honorable thing to do to kill an animal, but only if the animal has like...at LEAST a 20% chance of killing you. otherwise it is unsporting. "guy whose career is killing animals" can never be sporting, unless he's absurdly lucky. if they dont actually stand a good chance of killing you, you might as well be strangling dogs or whatever. its PRETENDING at being a cool warrior guy, by doing something that *looks* dangerous but actually isnt. very shameful

[morlock-holmes]

The main thing I remember about The Sun Also Rises was that it made bullfighting seem really unappealing. It seems to involve riling up a rather stupid and disagreeable animal until it throws such a fit that it's easy to kill.

Really just seemed pointless and debasing to everyone involved, not much different than poking an insect with a stick and then stepping on it.

I mean, boxing and football might be more dangerous than is worth it but at least they're actual contests.

[transgenderer]

The crazy thing is Hemingway LOVED bullfighting, he wrote a whole book about it. War trauma...?

[draingang-agora]

I think Hemmingway focuses on the parts of bullfighting that are more unappealing to non aficionados in the sun also rises not to mention the decadence of it modern degeneration(a significant aspect of which is that newer techniques and breeding standards are way less dangerous)

Like his main appreciation of bull-fighting in Death in the Afternoon is that it is explicitly not a contest nor sporting at all, it’s more like a tragedy or a ritual - it’s a performance, and the appreciation is more aesthetic than sporting. When done well it shows great courage, honour, bravery skill etc. It’s noted in both TSAR and DITA that the spanish don’t call it bullfighting at all.

I’m not exactly onboard but that framework is much more sympathetic imo, and much less disrespectful to the animal than a “contest” that it has no real hope of winning.

[animalcomplaint]

I haven't seen the context in Hemingway, but the Spanish word for bullfighting, tauromaquía, still translates straightforwardly as bullfighting, just etymologically (it's Greek).

The word "lidia" and "lidiar" also refer to fighting both in reference to bullfighting and outside of it.

It's true that often "los toros" is used metonymically instead of tauromaquía ("te gustan los toros?" translates literally as "do you like bulls?" but is understood as "do you like bullfighting?".) Possibly that's what Hemingway was referring to

[draingang-agora]

Hemmingway is referring to the name of the actual event, la corrida de toros, viz a viz the english term “bull fight”(where, as you can see - it’s pointed out that “lidia” is a more literal rendering).

The point is is not that the spanish have no word for bull fighting itself, that is obviously what a bull-fighter does, but that the spanish name of the event itself (similarly with La Fiesta) is less suggestive of any kind of “equal contest”. It’s just a more poetic way to get at what Hemmingway suggests foriegners tend not to understand about bull-fighting - that it is a performative tragedy and not a sport.

[animalcomplaint]

That interpretation seems a bit like begging the question. Correr is a synonym of lidiar (see definition 26 here). That *corrida* means "Fiesta que consiste en lidiar cierto número de toros en una plaza cerrada" is itself what gives *corrida* a violent meaning. In any case as an isolated fact it doesn't suggest much about how the Spanish view bullfighting given the other vocabulary surrounding the subject that is plainly referring to fighting a bull, including the name of the art itself.

The other issue is that "running of bulls" may be a word for word translation of "corrida de toros," but running of the bulls/bull-running actually refers to the type of event called an *encierro* in Spanish that is connected to but distinct from a bullfight (eg the yearly running of the bulls in Pamplona). In general "running of bulls" would not actually be a good translation of "corrida de toros" and "bullfight" would be, regardless of component parts. The practice of bull-running may be connected to the use of *corrida* for the bullfight that follows, but even if that's seen as euphemistic, there's nothing about *corrida* that really suggests ritual or theater - moreso the necessary preliminary of driving the animals to a specific location.

It is hard not to read "There is no Spanish word for bull-fight" as obvious nonsense but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that that isn't meant to be taken literally as Hemingway's belief. Though I know from For Whom the Bell Tolls that he valued gloss-like translation often at the expense of clarity, not to say sense.

[draingang-agora]

I'm not super sure exactly what you're saying here, the point isn't that anglophones should stop saying bull fight or that it's a bad translation(Hemmingway uses the term constantly), or that corrida over lidia suggests ritual or theatre in itself, and there's no issue with saying corrida de toros literally means the running of the bulls because it does!

There's no inherent linguistic truth here that can unpack the metaphysics of bullrunning, it's just a handy way of introducing the point that the expectation we tend to have when we hear the word "bull-fight" i.e a sort of contest of equals where the bull and the fighter compete and both having a sporting chance, isn't really what bullfighting is about. You could easily make the point without it, but it is an easy way to get at it.

[animalcomplaint]

I just think there's nothing to what he's saying linguistically! The bigger point he was making may be poetic and not depend on the mundane claims, but it's hard to follow him there when the logic is based on something that seems a bit airheaded to me. I mean it's like claiming that in Spanish you don't drive a car, you only "manage" or "conduct" one. Sure, but who cares?

[animalcomplaint]

I actually really appreciate Hemingway using thou/you distinction, and trying to make his characters speak "naturally" might have made them sound too much like Englishmen or Americans. But things like "they must be sweating the fat drop," insisting on cognates (always *rare* instead of *strange*) or refusing to use present progressive instead of simple present get tiring really quickly. Sorry, "they tire much."

[transgenderer]

started hemingway "the short stories" (2 bucks at the thrift store!). opening story ("short happy life of francis macomber") is really good, but in the same vein as his discussion of bullfighting i think hemingway gives way too much respect to dues who really arent doing stuff that dangerous. i feel like it CAN be a cool, almost honorable thing to do to kill an animal, but only if the animal has like...at LEAST a 20% chance of killing you. otherwise it is unsporting. "guy whose career is killing animals" can never be sporting, unless he's absurdly lucky. if they dont actually stand a good chance of killing you, you might as well be strangling dogs or whatever. its PRETENDING at being a cool warrior guy, by doing something that *looks* dangerous but actually isnt. very shameful

[morlock-holmes]

The main thing I remember about The Sun Also Rises was that it made bullfighting seem really unappealing. It seems to involve riling up a rather stupid and disagreeable animal until it throws such a fit that it's easy to kill.

Really just seemed pointless and debasing to everyone involved, not much different than poking an insect with a stick and then stepping on it.

I mean, boxing and football might be more dangerous than is worth it but at least they're actual contests.

[transgenderer]

The crazy thing is Hemingway LOVED bullfighting, he wrote a whole book about it. War trauma...?

[draingang-agora]

I think Hemmingway focuses on the parts of bullfighting that are more unappealing to non aficionados in the sun also rises not to mention the decadence of it modern degeneration(a significant aspect of which is that newer techniques and breeding standards are way less dangerous)

Like his main appreciation of bull-fighting in Death in the Afternoon is that it is explicitly not a contest nor sporting at all, it’s more like a tragedy or a ritual - it’s a performance, and the appreciation is more aesthetic than sporting. When done well it shows great courage, honour, bravery skill etc. It’s noted in both TSAR and DITA that the spanish don’t call it bullfighting at all.

I’m not exactly onboard but that framework is much more sympathetic imo, and much less disrespectful to the animal than a “contest” that it has no real hope of winning.

[animalcomplaint]

I haven't seen the context in Hemingway, but the Spanish word for bullfighting, tauromaquía, still translates straightforwardly as bullfighting, just etymologically (it's Greek).

The word "lidia" and "lidiar" also refer to fighting both in reference to bullfighting and outside of it.

It's true that often "los toros" is used metonymically instead of tauromaquía ("te gustan los toros?" translates literally as "do you like bulls?" but is understood as "do you like bullfighting?".) Possibly that's what Hemingway was referring to

[draingang-agora]

Hemmingway is referring to the name of the actual event, la corrida de toros, viz a viz the english term “bull fight”(where, as you can see - it’s pointed out that “lidia” is a more literal rendering).

The point is is not that the spanish have no word for bull fighting itself, that is obviously what a bull-fighter does, but that the spanish name of the event itself (similarly with La Fiesta) is less suggestive of any kind of “equal contest”. It’s just a more poetic way to get at what Hemmingway suggests foriegners tend not to understand about bull-fighting - that it is a performative tragedy and not a sport.

[animalcomplaint]

That interpretation seems a bit like begging the question. Correr is a synonym of lidiar (see definition 26 here). That *corrida* means "Fiesta que consiste en lidiar cierto número de toros en una plaza cerrada" is itself what gives *corrida* a violent meaning. In any case as an isolated fact it doesn't suggest much about how the Spanish view bullfighting given the other vocabulary surrounding the subject that is plainly referring to fighting a bull, including the name of the art itself.

The other issue is that "running of bulls" may be a word for word translation of "corrida de toros," but running of the bulls/bull-running actually refers to the type of event called an *encierro* in Spanish that is connected to but distinct from a bullfight (eg the yearly running of the bulls in Pamplona). In general "running of bulls" would not actually be a good translation of "corrida de toros" and "bullfight" would be, regardless of component parts. The practice of bull-running may be connected to the use of *corrida* for the bullfight that follows, but even if that's seen as euphemistic, there's nothing about *corrida* that really suggests ritual or theater - moreso the necessary preliminary of driving the animals to a specific location.

It is hard not to read "There is no Spanish word for bull-fight" as obvious nonsense but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that that isn't meant to be taken literally as Hemingway's belief. Though I know from For Whom the Bell Tolls that he valued gloss-like translation often at the expense of clarity, not to say sense.

[transgenderer]

started hemingway "the short stories" (2 bucks at the thrift store!). opening story ("short happy life of francis macomber") is really good, but in the same vein as his discussion of bullfighting i think hemingway gives way too much respect to dues who really arent doing stuff that dangerous. i feel like it CAN be a cool, almost honorable thing to do to kill an animal, but only if the animal has like...at LEAST a 20% chance of killing you. otherwise it is unsporting. "guy whose career is killing animals" can never be sporting, unless he's absurdly lucky. if they dont actually stand a good chance of killing you, you might as well be strangling dogs or whatever. its PRETENDING at being a cool warrior guy, by doing something that *looks* dangerous but actually isnt. very shameful

[morlock-holmes]

The main thing I remember about The Sun Also Rises was that it made bullfighting seem really unappealing. It seems to involve riling up a rather stupid and disagreeable animal until it throws such a fit that it's easy to kill.

Really just seemed pointless and debasing to everyone involved, not much different than poking an insect with a stick and then stepping on it.

I mean, boxing and football might be more dangerous than is worth it but at least they're actual contests.

[transgenderer]

The crazy thing is Hemingway LOVED bullfighting, he wrote a whole book about it. War trauma...?

[draingang-agora]

I think Hemmingway focuses on the parts of bullfighting that are more unappealing to non aficionados in the sun also rises not to mention the decadence of it modern degeneration(a significant aspect of which is that newer techniques and breeding standards are way less dangerous)

Like his main appreciation of bull-fighting in Death in the Afternoon is that it is explicitly not a contest nor sporting at all, it’s more like a tragedy or a ritual - it’s a performance, and the appreciation is more aesthetic than sporting. When done well it shows great courage, honour, bravery skill etc. It’s noted in both TSAR and DITA that the spanish don’t call it bullfighting at all.

I’m not exactly onboard but that framework is much more sympathetic imo, and much less disrespectful to the animal than a “contest” that it has no real hope of winning.

[animalcomplaint]

I haven't seen the context in Hemingway, but the Spanish word for bullfighting, tauromaquía, still translates straightforwardly as bullfighting, just etymologically (it's Greek).

The word "lidia" and "lidiar" also refer to fighting both in reference to bullfighting and outside of it.

It's true that often "los toros" is used metonymically instead of tauromaquía ("te gustan los toros?" translates literally as "do you like bulls?" but is understood as "do you like bullfighting?".) Possibly that's what Hemingway was referring to

[dostoyevsky-official]

Statement from Professor Eve Tuck

"Let me be completely clear about my personal and individual point of view:  "I condemn Hamas' terrorist attack on Israel, and the taking of hostages, whose safe and swift return I fervently wish for.  I reject antisemitism; it is repugnant and indefensible. "I have taught at universities for over a decade and a half.  I welcome students bringing a range of views into the classroom; it's vital to the teaching and learning process.  I have always believed my role in the classroom to be one of helping students develop their thinking skills, not telling them what to think."

"decolonization is not a metaphor" has always been a nonsense paper in the literal sense: it imparts no sense, makes no arguments, has no meaning. it alludes to ethnic cleansing but shies away from it; likewise eve tuck can't make a single coherent statement

[animalcomplaint]

Lol I've seen this but never realized it was the whole statement.

[animalcomplaint]

Good video about that one stat

[dagwolf]

The Reality of Settler Colonialism - Boston Review

Writers like Adam Kirsch mock the idea to demonize critics of Israel. The phenomenon itself remains.

Excellent reading. I'll let you all pull quotes; there's so many good ones to grab.

[matilda-aseo-deactivated2025043]

kind of crazy how much of a role the consumption of pork as an in-group signifier in need of defence plays in german discourses on immigration in order to conjur the frightful image of "orientalisation of the west", specifically targeting muslims. how is one to take seriously the anti-antisemitism arguments and resolutions of a society that so regularly and automatically forgets jews still exist when israel isn't the topic of debate. if one wanted to read more into it one could regard it as an indication that tolerance towards jews in germany is reliant on the existence of a country to go back to, to, if need be, deport to

[matilda-aseo-deactivated2025043]

this german journalist wrote an opinion piece mentioning how she can't help but resent muslim immigrants for causing her son's kindergarten to cut pork from the lunch menu, and not even getting into the above point at the end of the op, the clear distinction between the muslim & jewish relation to pork here clearly is that the number of jews in germany is small enough to be safely ignored whenever one isn't in the mood for playing the philosemite. "thankfully they are few enough so we can live in harmony", so is the, even if never publicly voiced, tenor of many a german's views on german-jewish relations. why are there so few? oh, well, that,

[animalcomplaint]

truly thought this was just a spain thing :/

[shituationist]

I really want us to get to the point in the hype cycle where we realize that LLMs are a probabilistic query engine over Web-scale text corpora and not, like, the foundation for the Kurzweilian computer god that will invent computronium and live forever by replacing all matter with computronium

[animalcomplaint]

I don't reject the idea that an ai could eventually exist (what do I know) I just don't see a reason why consciousness would evolve from an LLM specifically as opposed to any other equally complex purpose-built program.

[animalcomplaint]

Podcast described a certain stretch of freeway through the Central Valley that stinks due to concentrated livestock operations as running through "Cowshwitz" (Auschwitz for cows) and as a Washingtonian my first thought was "huh, that word sounds Salish, weird that it's so far south?"

[loving-n0t-heyting]

Why did he become so anti-crime (or, claim to be) after becoming president? What changed between him being mayor of San Salvador and then?

the broader trajectory of bukeles political transformation from fmln poster child to libertarianism-gulagism is very complicated and i wont claim expertise abt it i dont have, but i gather that the 2022 state of emergency specifically was prompted at least in part by

political pressure following 2021 allegations (including from us officials!) of managing a decrease in homicide partly by cutting backroom deals with major gangs, which in addition to the usual squeamishness such negotiating can provoke would for many salvadorans call to mind the abortive 2012 gang truce, whose collapse in 2014 prompted the terrifying surge in violence from 2014-2015

the chronological fatality-density of three days in march 2022 with a particularly high death toll, the larger background decline in violence notwithstanding, which was the immediate catalyst for the state of emergency

[loving-n0t-heyting]

"it turns out that, after you have already steadily driven over the course of 6yrs an >80% reduction in the natl homicide rate from a recent high to the lowest point this century, aggressively rolling out dystopian and nearly unparalleled restrictions on civil liberties might be one way to head off a plateau in this progress" just doesnt have the same ring as "bukeles prisons made el salvador, murder capital of the world, a crime-free oasis overnight"

[animalcomplaint]

The whole point of getting actually good at a language is that you no longer have to worry about all that stuff you can just talk and understand... it's good to break down someone's priorities to help them more effectively and create milestones if they need them but rejecting the idea of fluency seems like a red flag in a language teacher