yeah he does + sealand too which was even more disgusting. but like before all that happens and nobody suspects anything, you would assume that den and nor have a healthy relationship. but he tries to have sex with nor when he says no so yeah. one thing I hate like the most though is that the author tried to write it in response to Gutters and like... in the summary of the fic it says something like "wanted denmark to redeem himself" like literally nobody asked them to do that. gutters was good
yeah its just Very Bad⢠like. den tries to force nor into sex a few times I think like... what in the world den is the sweetest and like. its gross dont read it ever
ive heard that he straight up rapes everyone but iceland yikes
Okay, I have a question, why do you have a blog just about a ship you don't like, it's just kinda stupid and childish. I mean, if you dislike the ship, why make a blog about it, nobody even cares if you hate it because a lot of people ship it, no one gives a shit! So do yourself a favor and start a blog about something you like!
We run this blog because complaining on our main blogs would be bad, since we have many friends who use characters and shipping to cope. We have mobile blogging mutuals and followers who donât like to be exposed to negativity. Plus this blog is a good thing for the people who donât like dennor - because itâs great to have a space for everyone. Not everyone likes your hellship, and believe it or not, there are people who actually like to complain and vent about how disgusting ships and most of their shippers are.
i have lots of blogs about stuff i like, actually. I have a blog for utatane piko, I have a blog for pikase, I have a blog for hetalia kin people, I have a blog for art, i have a blog for spreading positivity for hypersexual aces, I mod a blog for helping all kin people with canon calls, aesthetics, and all sorts of kin stuff! Actually......... this is the only blog I run that isnât about something I like. Shocking. Wow.
So you do yourself a favour and check a blogs activity before sending them messages like this, because if you payed attention to how little this blog posts youâd realise; wow, the people who mod this blog actually have a life aside from hating on a gross ship between them.Â
oh, and you can also do other people a favour by avoiding using ableist slurs! St*pid is an offensive slur to neurologically disabled people such as myself.
Any opinion on Su||nor? Or do you feel the same way about it as den||nor
ive said this before i think?? i dont rly like any inter-nordic ships aside from sufin bc i see them all as brothers (except finland), but if u ship su//nor idc as much as i would if it was den//norÂ
Hi hi, so I would like to say, even as a DenNor sipper, that I respect your opinions and hope that for the sake of your mental health and general happiness, people stop sending harsh anons shouting at you and harassing you for your opinions. I do hope you have a lovely day! Also, what are your opinions on PruDen? Sorry again that people can't respect your opinions, you seem like a lovely person and you don't deserve all this.
neither of us have sent any anons out? we donât send anon hate. As someone whoâs has received a lot of very graphic death threats and suicide baits for not shipping dennor on other blogs, had people message me solely to try and trigger me by sending images of dennor, have had people guilt trip and harass me for being uncomfortable with dennor, I apologize on the behalf of anyone who does send it out to you or claim that we are doing it.Â
 As this blog is a vent blog we dont interact w/ dennor shippers, rather, I tend to block dennor blogs when I come across them.
normally, mod norway is an emotional wreck over something that could vaguely be interpreted as someone Doesnt Like Me, but when it comes to this blog literally every anon is a treat. anon hate? honestly (especially that last ask) its Hilarious to me, u love us for running an anti dennor blog? i love u too, im glad we created a space where u can dislike it.
WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!! TRYING TO TRASH DENNOR??? HA! IMPOSSIBLE!!!! IS ALMOST CANNON!!!!!! BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok but whats funny about htis is i literally cant tell if this is satire or if youre an actual shipper, im gonna guess its satire tho plus this gave me a laugh
masterpost on why mod norway hates den//nor a lot without mentioning kin stuff or specific ships that are better
disclaimer: this post isnât to start an argument, the only reason Iâm making it is to organize my thoughts about den//nor because @ adhd wyd.Â
This is okay to reblog, but I will ignore any and all reblogs adding on things about how Iâm wrong. This is based off a mix of opinion, canon and scientific evidence about attraction, and I really, really, donât want to argue about den//nor, especially with people who ship it.
So really, for the sake of my mental health and your time, donât bother arguing with my stubborn ass. Iâm not going to change my stance on this and thereâs nothing you can say to change that.
contents:
yaoi / itâd be unhealthy (for both of them) / the actual shippers / dynamic
yaoi.
Iâm not saying I dislike gay ships, no. I live for gay ships, Iâm a gay male, I love mlm ships. Big comfort material. I dislike yaoi, gay ships are fine and dandy. Yaoi is gross.
Yaoi (âAlso called BL (Boyâs Love) and Shounen Ai, yaoi is a genre of manga that fetishizes m/m relationships and relies on homophobic stereotypes for plot and character devices.â), and fujioshis.
âIn most yaoi mangas, there is one agressive masculine man who preys upon an usually much younger, submissive feminine man. It strengthens the homophobic myth of gay men being predators and pedophiles.â
Doesnât that sound a lot how the fandom portrays Denmark and Norway? Denmark is canonically the same height as Norway (Well, Norway is like an inch shorter at most), and the two have about the same body shape. Yet what do yâall fujioshis do? Draw Norway as some femme boy thatâs like a foot shorter than Denmark.
âIt also relies on heteronormative stereotypes, where there are always strict uke/seme roles in bed, as well as a feminine caring and a masculine powerful dynamic in the relationship outside of the bed. Â â
Again, what do yâall do? Make Norway super femme and oh so much smarter than Denmark, making Denmark the unhealthily powerful one -- Bringing me to my next point;
itâd be unhealthy (for both of them).
âThey have known each other since childhood, but while Denmark considers the two of them to be like best friends and believes that Norway thinks the same way he does, he is unaware of Norway's blunt teasing.[7] Norway frequently refers to him as anko[12], a term Himaruya has described as having a nuance like older brother or oniichan, the familiar form of big brother, and having a classmate-like feeling.[13]â
âMain article: Norway
Norway is a childhood friend of Denmark's, who he feels rather close to and strongly about, believing that Norway sees him the same way as a "best friend."Â â
(source: Norways wiki & Denmarks wiki)
Since Iâm not sure how to word it; lets take my parents for example; theyâd been dating since they were 15 (fifteen) until they were like 23-24. My mom used to go over to his house every. single. day. because she felt more at home there than at her own home. They never argued, they were like a perfect relationship almost. Why they broke up? My mom, and I quote, âsaw him more like a brother than a lover.â Which is a completely justified reason to break up! My parents have the same relationship as siblings. Now, if my parents felt like siblings after 8 years of growing up together; imagine the bond that Denmark and Norway have.
They grew up together for thousands of years! Meaning theyâd be much, much closer than my parents were. So maybe they couldâve dated at some point in their history, but I can see them doing the same thing my parents did; break up because they felt like siblings/being best friends would be better. Plus, you donât call your lover âbrotherâ, even if youâre not actually related or donât mean it as sibling-way especially if you have other, blood-related, siblings.
Why would a relationship be unhealthy for the both of them?
Because if they feel like brothers, then you get the same unhealthy benefits of actual incest from the Westermarck effect, âa hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives become desensitized to sexual attraction.â Which, guess what, Denmark and Norway have known each other since childhood,Â
Fujioshis turning the shp into yaoi + the westermarck effect; what do we have?
If you put the two into a relationship youâre implying that one of them is unconsciously forcing themselves onto the other. Or just, yâknow, people straight up writing something like Danish Slaughter House - a fanfiction where Denmark straight up rapes and kills all the Nordics.
And speaking of Danish Slaughter House, letâs move on to the next point;
the actual shippers.
I donât even know where to start with this one. I guess Iâll start with shamchat, a great site, I spend a lot of time there - as one of my biggest hobbies in the past few years is roleplaying. I have almost 2 years of experience with writing Norway. The thing is, when I come across Denmarks on the site it almost always, if theyre a Dennor shipper, starts off as something like:
Best friends hanging out -> Denmark asks Norway to do something with him -> Norway is busy -> Denmark gets sad -> Norway tries to make him feel better -> Denmark confesses feelings.
what? and then Norway will tell Denmark that he sees him as a brother or just doesnât feel the same, and then thereâs a long range of reactions Iâve gotten from Denmarks with this, some of the worst including being harassed ooc for not shipping it, being guilted ooc for not shipping it (@ my RSD, someone telling me that theyâre crying because I donât ship something just. x20 as bad as neurotypicals), Denmark trying to force himself onto Norway sexually, and there was actually one where they had Denmark threaten to kill whoever Norway had feelings for.
For fucks sake! Once I was on as FtM!Caught Binding!Norway because I was feeling incredibly dysphoric, and I had a Denmark threaten to out Norway to the other Nordics, while Norway was begging him not to, and when he finally agreed not to  - which took actually making Norway (and me for that matter, since I have really big emotional ties with Norway) cry - he immediately jumps to a confession, which Norway sorta tells him off because what makes anyone think after threatening to out someone as trans theyâre gonna accept a uwu love confession uwu uwu, which in turn upset Denmark and the entire rp turns to them - Norway trying to make him feel better, telling him that heâs his brother and always will be, etc. Making the biggest effort to make him feel better, but no instead he runs away to his bedroom, locks himself in his closet and tried to stab himself to death.
Most of these were done while I was on mobile, so unfortunately I donât have saves to them.
Am I upset that you people portray Denmark horribly? Of course. My point isnât the portrayals of Denmark here, though. Because the canon portrayal of Denmark is actually pretty fit for Norway, not going to lie, but my point is about how the shippers pull bullshit like this when someone doesnât like their ship, which again ties into the homophobia of yaoi.
âMany mangas in this genre also have a plot centered around rape (the seme/top rapes the uke/bottom, then the uke realizes he actually loves the seme and allows the relationship to continue), abuse (physical, where the seme will hurt the uke, or emotional, where either part will threaten things as far as suicide if the other part dares to leave them), pedophilia (shota is a subgenre of yaoi in which boys as young as 5-6 will have sexual relationships with middle aged men). â
Most of these Iâve actually had to deal with personally aside from the pedophilia/shota bit, while Iâve never actually done an rp with someone as Shota!Denmark (I skip anyone who thinks shota is ok), Iâve seen them around, along with Shota!Norways.
Iâm not going to start with the amount of Denmarkâs on shamchat idealizing Norway in every way, shape and form.
dynamic.
Admittedly, Denmark is an almost ideal guy for Norway personality-wise, with how socially inept Norway is (Which Denmark can still be there for him if theyâre friends), but for Denmark, Norway isnât super suitable. The idea that Denmark needs someone to keep him in check is a little, how do I say it, wrong. Denmark is over 2000 years old, heâs smart enough to keep himself in check, while it would be nice for him to have someone to be there to tell him âYouâre being too loudâ and to give him a little help here and there, best friends can do that, can they not? As for a romantic partner, Denmark would probably be better matched with someone who doesnât have trouble complimenting people or doing things solely to please him.
Denmark has his self image as a priority, and as shown by the above strips Iâve given, Norway isnât the best to give him that. Norway is better at subtly doing things for people he cares for, not outright stating and cheering for him - which I did try to find the part of a strip where Denmark was imagining Norway and Iceland cheering for him (Or something like that), I couldnât find it, but that one in specific emphasizes that a romantic relationship between Denmark and Norway wouldnât quite work the same way their brothery relationship works.
Everyone teases and gets into arguments with their siblings, (Which Norway does tease & occasionally insult Denmark) and you always know that everything your sibling says to insult you isnât serious, but even though Denmark âblatantly ignores offensive and aggressive social tones â, that doesnât mean he doesnât pick up on them and he holds himself up too high for it to be a healthy relationship romantically if for either of them if Norway isnât going to be positive, Norway is kinda negative and Denmark contrasts that greatly, but if Norway canât give Denmark flattery and self esteem boosts straightforwardly, then Denmark wonât be happy in the relationship, which makes him less positive, making him less ideal for Norway. Whereas if they just stay as brothers, itâs easier for Denmark to just brush off any teasing or criticism Norway might have.
As for romantic relationships for Norway, I did say earlier that Norway needs someone whoâs positive, good at social interaction, cheerful, friendly, etc. He also needs someone who easily picks up on the little things he does and isnât extremely high-maintenance when it comes to needing flattery. Someone that Norway doesnât have to be straightforward with. While weâre at it, Iâll also mention why someone who isnât these things wouldnât work, Norway needs someone positive and good at social interaction because heâs not these things, (Heâs said it himself, he is painfully shy around strangers as he resolved to leave upon seeing them; yes Iâm ignoring that he did all that speaking right after he said that, this is because Iâm going off the it was only there for comedic purposes and doesnât mean anything), and he needs someone cheery/friendly to contrast himself (Iâm not saying he isn't friendly! He is quite that, but isnât great at expressing it.), since a relationship between two characters who are really apathetic about a lot of things would just end in them thinking theyre apathetic abt each other. Picking up on little things + not needing to be straightforward with is kinda self explanatory after the stuff about Denmark.
Anyways, back on track. Kinda? Conclusion.
I do like the âquiet one & loud oneâ/âopposites attractâ/similar tropes a lot, but when it comes to Denmark and Norway it doesnât quite work out as well as others might. Especially with fandom misportrayals, it kinda ruins the pairing for me.
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