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[arpano]

I updated my fanfic. Dozens of historical easter eggs in each chapter, I'll literally give a prize to the reader who spots them all😁

All Pierre's Dreams Come True 🔥

Pairing: Pierre Beaumarchais/Antonio Salieri, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart/Antonio Salieri

Summary: Arms dealer Pierre Beaumarchais hired Antonio Salieri to write the score for his vanity project, moved him into his home, called his music too feminine, forced him to scrap hundreds of hours of material, and publicly boasted that the younger man gave him "delightful pleasure in the evenings". They went everywhere together and people noticed that they were giving a weird 'master and servant' vibe. Beaumarchais wanted Salieri to stay with him for good… Then Salieri got accused of the murder of his friend and rival, Wolfgang Mozart. This is historically accurate. I just didn't feel like juggling their massive 18th-century families, so I threw the entire mess into the 21st century.

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Amadeus is based not even on the Pushkin's play, but on the book The Wisdom of Pushkin (1919) by the Jewish writer Mikhail Gershenson. All this blah blah about Salieri's relationship with god is from Gershenson's chapter about 'Mozart and Salieri', word by word. Amadeus isn't even about Catholicism - it's about Judaism in Gershenson's head projected on Pushkin's Salieri.

[arpano]

In The Phoenix, opera about Lorenzo da Ponte, Casanova jokes that Lorenzo dates only women whose names start with A. One reviewer says that the writers gave Lorenzo a weird kink but finally he marries Nancy, as if the writers decided to single her out from all these A's. Why, Nancy's government name was Anna, the kink still works! (The reviewer didn't read Lorenzo's book where all these A's appear, but I read😁Quoting after the 1860 French translation:

"I loved him - out of gratitude and out of genuine affection, I spent so many tender hours with him, but he was too much into that woman Cavalieri, whose merits were so big her career could be advanced only through intrigues, and he destroyed our friendship because of her" -

about Antonio. The kink still stands.

[arpano]

Been reading an article where the author laments

Salieri being accused of murdering a rival (Mozart), his own parents, his own wife, attempting to murder his mentor (Gassmann), stealing a manuscript from his mentor's widow (Gluck), seducing his student (Cavalieri), and seducing a colleague's wife.

I couldn't identify "a colleague's wife" - Constanze Mozart? Someone else? 🤣

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The Czech composer Václav Jan Tomášek tells in his autobiography that he, listening in 1814 in Vienna to one of Salieri’s choral works that he did not like, was strengthened in his suspicion that the author of the opera “Axur” was not Salieri, but Gluck. Tomaszek refers to the legend (“der Sage nach”), that, after Gluck’s death, Salieri took the unfinished score from his widow, completed it and passed it off as his own composition.

Axur🤪

[mozartpilled]

how often do you think about mozart calling salieri a genius in the original mozart and salieri by puškin?

[arpano]

I often think that Pushkin made up an unnecessary character - Salieri's ex Isora who gave him the poison ring - whereas he has Mozart and Salieri talk about Salieri's friend, notorious poisoner Beaumarchais, who could give him said ring, but for some reason the author didn't go down that route.

[mozartpilled]

my fujoshi heart wants to scream that it had to be a "gift of love" as salieri calls it because poisoning mozart for him is an act of love ... but tbh i wish i could interview puškin and find out a real reason why it was "isora" ... maybe someone online has already figured it out?

[arpano]

yep, "the gift of love goes today to the cup of friendship" sounds very homoerotic... Critics say that "cup of friendship" meant that both drank from it, i.e. Salieri wanted to poison himself too, which is why he exclaimed "Stop, stop, stop, you drank without me?!"

Re: Isora, critics say:

Mozart isn't an "idle party-going madman", he begs his wife to let him go to pub, he works all the time, meanwhile Salieri likely had shady past and played in criminal dens ("I murdered sounds, dissected music like a corpse") and his girlfriend was a criminal, like, who else would see poison as a useful gift.

Isora to Salieri is like Beatrice to Dante, she died young and he spent 18 years writing music about his dead muse. Then he meets Wolfgang and his love to Isora transforms into love to him because, talking about Wolfgang, Salieri calls himself wingless, which is a reference to a sonnet by Michelangelo inspired by Dante😵‍💫🤪

this is just wordplay because Gift means "poison" in German (ok, still doesn't explain why the author introduced Isora)

Isaure was a melodrama where the MC, forced into marriage with a noble but unloved man, gives her lover a ring as a parting gift, which, however, does not contain anything deadly. /Plausible but too extra given that Salieri namedrops so many real people/

[mozartpilled]

how often do you think about mozart calling salieri a genius in the original mozart and salieri by puškin?

[arpano]

I often think that Pushkin made up an unnecessary character - Salieri's ex Isora who gave him the poison ring - whereas he has Mozart and Salieri talk about Salieri's friend, notorious poisoner Beaumarchais, who could give him said ring, but for some reason the author didn't go down that route.

[dankmemeuniversity]

[arpano]

I recognised d'Eon of course:) Was Saint-Georges so pale irl? I saw him in Marie-Antoinette 2022.

From what I gather, all popular musicians of the era were on the same level. Without attribution, musical students don't recognise which piece is Mozart's and which pieces are by forgotten composers.

[antoniosalieri]

salieri: i cant write anything anymore god isnt speaking to me :(

mozart, sultrily: have u tried fucking nasty? 🤤😩

[arpano]

In ye olde times men thought that sex depleted their energy they could put to work. Balsac lectured Flaubert about it: "I counted, one night of sex costs you half volume, choose wisely, I chose to be productive at work". Tolstoi and Chekhov talked about it. Chopin blamed George Sand in robbing him of energy: "So many symphonies are lost, flowed away into your greedy hole". If Salieri in Amadeus deprives himself of sex, this has to be the mindset behind it.

(All the examples I listed are from 19th century, likely all the "sex drains your creative energy" panic wasn't yet invented in 1780s, but Amadeus portrays Salieri as a 19th century man anyway. Amadeus is about Catholic guilt which wasn't yet invented in 1780s. Guilt was invented later to stop libertine behaviour.)

This is a lazy way to show Mozart's superiority over Salieri. I don't need to look at Salieri's catalogue to know that he didn't suffer from writer's block. Professional writers/composers/songwriters can pour out a ton of text or music as soon as they get commissioned or told to redo the material. It's what makes them professional.

This is misogynistic towards Cavalieri, making her a public toilet. They show Mozart fucking her at the party without any interaction before or after, and then he advices Salieri to fuck her too as if she is a streetwalker.

This is a jab at Salieri because why he, an adult man, needs Mozart's advice about his sex life? As if Mozart finally allowed him sexual activity, and he looks so surprised like he's never touched his own dick and starts masturbating to Mozart's premature ejaculation in Cavalieri (the show makes Mozart awful in the sack, congrats).

[erdenmaedchen]

Salieris Bisexual Fever Dream ✨️ Le Bien Qui Fait Mal | Music Video

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Tarare anniversary!! The most popular Salieri's opera premiered this day 239 years ago in Paris.

The success of the premiere was so great that for the first time in the history of the opera, the composer came to the front of the stage at the call of the public and was publicly crowned. Tarare and its variant Axur was staged everywhere - from Paris to St. Petersburg, from Brussels to Rio de Janeiro. Axur was sung in Italian, German, Polish, Danish and English.

On YouTube Tarare is w/o subtitles, and Beaumarchais would insist that TEXT was the most important in his opera.

here is the torrent with subtitles.

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Manic pixie dream boy Mozart

source: Sheila Hodges "Lorenzo da Ponte"; the quotation is from a 1870 book by some guy who heard about encounters with Mozart, Casanova and Lorenzo da Ponte from his grandfather

[arpano]

I watched Salieri/Casti's opera Prima la musica, poi e parole. Versions with the full orchestra : typical Salieri's disjointedness. One version was just a piano and singers, and for some reason integrity appeared! Likely someone edited it😏

the poet and the composer sing together “Ah, what a cretin I was! I should have become a gravedigger! Cursed be the one who made me an artist!” 😁Blasphemy😁

[arpano]

Apparently there are three musicals about Lorenzo da Ponte:

The Phoenix (USA) - mostly about his life in America, with flashbacks to Europe. One actress played Wolfgang Mozart and Nancy (Lorenzo's wife). I can't find any videos online.

'Nigero!' ~Mozart's Librettist Lorenzo Da Ponte~ 『逃げろ！』～モーツァルトの台本作者　ロレンツォ・ダ・ポンテ～ (Japan). First Mozart/Da Ponte's duo lyrics are clearly based on the poet/composer duo from Salieri/Casti's opera "Prima la musica, poi e parole". Lorenzo was pissed off that Casti (the lyricist) wrote a parody of him. Musically, all these song excerpts give me deja vu, which is a good meta commentary on Mozart's and Da Ponte's working routine: both lifted bits, pieces and plots from other authors.

Da Ponte: Mozart no Kage ni Kakurete mou Hitori no Tensei (Japan) 『ダ・ポンテ～モーツァルトの影に隠れたもう一人の天才～』 which translates as Another Genius in the Mozart's Shadow

(Mozart, Da Ponte, Salieri)

[castlescrumblingdown]

Je voue mes nuits

A l’assasymphonie 

Et aux blasphémes 

J’Avoue je maudis 

Tout ceux qui s’aiment

김준현 Kim Joon-Hyun as Antonio Salieri in Mozart L’Opera Rock

[splitflute]

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, Моцарт и Сальери ("Mozart and Salieri"), dir. Vladimir Gorikker (1962)

[kholanhrl]

[arpano]

Salieri is a barmaid,

according to the automatic subtitles.

Pushkin, Little Tragedies (1958 adaptation)