i finished reading jumalanpelko right before my art history exam yesterday. could not concentrate on any of the questions i was too busy thinking about it. you should read jumalanpelko
What's Seam like in this AU? Loving this take by the way it's awesome :)
HELLO finally getting the time to answer this!!!
the main difference is that seam's knowledge didn't make them go insane and start killing people, so they weren't locked away; jevil speaks in the present tense when referring to them and suggests that they still see each other. and i think they would! i often imagine that jevil visits seam to play games, and for all of seam's self-isolation, they'd never pass up a game with him. (and they're always visited by people who Want to Know what they know—jevil, and a few others. they never give an answer)
unfortunately for them though, where jevil sought to spread what he learned with everyone and was disbelieved by most, seam is determined to keep it a secret. i imagine their change happening gradually, slowly become more withdrawn and when other darkners (jevil) started noticing that something had changed to dampen their mood is when they more so began to isolate. everyone knows they learned something. the queen won't stop until she finds out what it was. why are they so unwilling to tell anyone? well, in jevil's case, they know him very well, and that freeing him of any inhibitons like that would not end happily for anyone involved. as for everyone else...perhaps they want to save them from the hopelessness they feel? or, maybe, it could be their way of trying to change things—or just to observe, to see how true it really all is if they do nothing.
they're a hermit pretty much just like in canon, only they stay in the castle to try and avoid people as much as possible (aside from the few that insist on talking to them) instead of their shop—which is why jevil now watches over it and their lantern. honestly i don't really know if i'd say that they're more or less depressed than canon! because here they've gotten the Knowledge™ directly, but at the same time some of it seems contradictory and also they still get to play with jevil...maybe it's not more or less, just a different Kind of feeling.
i hope! that's all helpful! i may have not mentioned some things, but everything will be shown in the future. eventually. i am working on the next part i promise
would you be willing to share the original resolution jevil shopkeeper sprites? they make me smile alot but the videos make them blurry
of course!!! they are down there
(i wasn't sure whether you wanted the full idle/talking animations—i haven't included them here because that'd be A Lot but if you do i can totally add them as well!)
these above ones are also sized up—i assumed you'd want sized up ones, but if you want the Original small ones (or if tumblr compression makes them the same as the video) here they are!!
anddddd tumblr will not led me add any more images so no original sizes........i hope this is sufficient! (in case you'd like to size them down yourself for any reason, they're all 4x large)
for recreating the animations, if that's something anyone would like to do: the idle and talking animations' frames in the video have a delay of 0.15 seconds, laugh is 0.05. have fun!!!!!!
would you be willing to share the original resolution jevil shopkeeper sprites? they make me smile alot but the videos make them blurry
of course!!! they are down there
(i wasn't sure whether you wanted the full idle/talking animations—i haven't included them here because that'd be A Lot but if you do i can totally add them as well!)
these above ones are also sized up—i assumed you'd want sized up ones, but if you want the Original small ones (or if tumblr compression makes them the same as the video) here they are!!
hello yes so sorry this took a while i was working on finishing the last part and then school started...but i had a couple sick days and here he is! (i finally found a name for him!!!) (design subject to change in the future i'm not Super Keen on the colors here...)
signal has all of spamton's desperation for the light world except he is. somehow even worse about it here
how much of the prophecy he knows i have yet to figure out, i am unsure right now how much junkan would tell him, if he knows about his fate...but he does know about it in some capacity, and either way, worships the angel like he does in canon. that book of hymns gets some good company here! i think it does work whether he knows a lot or not, since if he's told about getting cleaved he has an obvious desire to avoid that and turn desperately to the religion for help; or he can simply learn to be Like That from observing the lightners.
he acts extremely overfamiliar with kris. like they're siblings or something. he's togore........
like the image says he tries to recreate the light world in tv world, the same way spamton would paint skies, but with more resources to work with, though at first he's not as obvious about it at first—you can actually explore a bit more of the house's dark world, i'd think. signal can see into the light world from where he sits (as long as he's turned on), and fills in the rest from what he's learned through the family's home videos. the mikes build it. speaking of:
the little fellow on the left in the gang drawing is meant to be (a not-yet-fully-designed) cap'n! scc take the place of the mikes here, they dress up as microwaves. cap'n is important in particular because he has sunglasses like the others and because he's the vhs player, so he's the one who's able to receive and play the home videos. his name is rotoscope (probably shortened to something like ro-ro or roto). so he's the most important to signal! (and signal knows they're not the real mike, i think he was the one to get them to do that)
asking lanino and elnina to marry each other is another way for him to try and recreate what the light world should be. emotionally scarred from the divorce?!?! THAT'S OKAY! just get SOME OTHER COUPLE to marry!! WE'RE FIXING IT, KRIS!!! THE NEW MOM AND DAD!!!!
oh, and as for speech—same as when i wrote about it in junkan's post, he's basically got spamton's speech patterns, just with alllll of the fancy text (and he is capable of lower case stuff). he changes channels constantly always interrupted by ads...it's part of the reasoning behind his signal! he keeps getting interrupted by it!! (though you'd think with such bendy antennae he wouldn't be getting anything at all, the power of the sponsors is stronger...)
may have been more i wanted to say, but, i am very tired, and have kept this post too long. i hope this answer is good
how would susie’s development play out in deltawrong? Given that she isn’t with lancer but is with roulxs?
very differently, for sure! i never know how Exactly much information i should give away...it is a series, after all, this will be seen, is it spoilers...but i mean Whatever it's a swap au! i can give some answers!!
in deltarune, the points i believe that are most important for susie's character development are:
lancer being so genuine about how much he admires and cares about her and validates her when ralsei criticizes her
the care she feels for lancer and his worries about the fight with king being what convinces her to try being nicer
kris jumping in front of susie to defend her from king's attack, showing her that they care about her and makes her fully consider them a friend
the mutual agreement that she and ralsei come to about knowing when to fight and when to be nice, on her side coming from lancer, and on his side coming from the fact that king can't be reasoned with
rouxls, meanwhile, is nowhere near as sweet as lancer. he's selfish, he's rude, he's arrogant, he's a turncoat, just overall not very conducive to Susie Character Development. he himself is a bastion of Never Receiving Character Development!
that said, i do think rouxls and susie could bond in a way. rouxls sucks, but he CAN care, and i think if they spend a prolonged period of time together, that could happen. i don't think their initial team-up would be as genuine as with lancer, who actually admired her—rouxls probably would just like to have her for his benefit at first, and coaxes her to stay with worms and boxes. it works because susie loves both worms and boxes. there's a period of time where they'd bicker for a while i think, they definitely don't get close nearly as quick, but they warm up a bit to each other over time. while rouxls isn't as sincere about it, he would also validate her in the way that lancer does in order to earn her favor, and to susie who is not used to that she would cling to that immediately.
there's also them both Not Fitting The Mold, i guess you could say. susie does whatever she wants, she doesn't let other people define what she can and can't do. rouxls is actually quite similar, i'd say. he's the only darkner other than spamton to actively reject his 'intended purpose' as an object, being a tutorial provider. he goes out of his way to avoid this, and i could see them, like...having something to do with this. i dunno it's hard to explain without actually fully writing the interactions lol
i said earlier that rouxls is the bastion of Not Receiving Character Devlopment but i think he can have a little here, as a treat. just a bit...maybe he doesn't become completely allied with the fun gang, but rather Specifically cares about susie. kind of like fluttershy and discord (platonic)
the main result of susie's development is her learning to trust others and find the value in talking things out, which is prompted by lancer being terrified that the gang and king will kill each other. but rouxls wouldn't have a scene like that, so...it's possible, she may never actually get past doing nothing but fighting. when would she rejoin the party, even? and the ending of the chapter, with the king fight and him tricking the fun gang into surrendering, leading to the events that confirm kris's friendship with her and allows ralsei to admire susie's fighting side...with the queen swap, maybe none of that even happens. especially for ralsei...if he gets validated by the fact that things in the prophecy have changed after being nice, and there is never a scenario where doing so gets them hurt—how will he ever start seeing rude buster as badass?!?!?! especially when it comes to a susie that may never gain a reason to start wanting to act nice?
i use a lot of 'may's here, because the series isn't finished yet, and lots of things can happen. i have my many plans, but some specifics may change when i get to actually writing things out...it'll be whatever feels most natural to me. so don't necessarily expect everything i wrote to happen, and there are definitely lots of things i didn't write here that will happen. but that's, like, my general idea of how her development will be affected! i hope that makes sense !!
Will star walker still join the party? In deltawrong?
yes i think so. i could never get rid of starwalker , too integral to the story, too original
i did consider for a bit maybe swapping him with nubert...a tempting idea, he is my man. but, i didn't know how that would even work. they would not fit in each other's dark world...so i don't believe i will do that idea. that's fine, because they're both super Coolness as is!
Question about deltawrong: is the rouxls-lancer swap a ch1 exclusive thing or would it also apply to ch2 and ch3? Also im curious as what king and queen are like in this au
it applies to 2&3 as well yes!!!!!! the way things happen will of course differ a Lot because of this. like i have this thing in mind for ch3 where lanino and elnina's plot is about marriage, and lancer becomes involved with them as a child they're meant to adopt (for Various Reasons), while rouxls is doing his own stupid thing on the show...that's just a small tidbit of what i have in mind for them!!!
as for king and queen Ohhhhh do i have a lot in mind for them!i'll put it under the cut for the length:
King and Queen swap with each other, and they do keep their names! King is the laptop and Queen is the Queen of Spades, though right now she's being referred to as the King. There is a reason for this. She's a girlking, if you will
For similar reasons, all the other kings become queens as well. This doesn't change anything about their characters (well. really, character) they're just women now. They can also have a little more character than just Diamonds, too, as a treat (the Queen of Clubs specifically I have an interaction planned for!).
Queen in this scenario also harbors some distaste to the Lightners that King had after the abandonment, that grows into bloodlust with the influence of the Fountain on her mind. She goes about it completely differently to King, though. Where King didn't seem to care much for his subjects, Queen makes making hers happy her main focus. She wants Kris and Susie dead, but when it comes to Darkners, she's even kinder than her canon counterpart! The fact that she isn't (and physically can't be) enslaving them really helps this. She isn't perfect by any means—she's still quite bossy and insistent on her own idea of what will bring them happiness rather than what they actually want (not everyone agrees with casting Lightners aside, after all), but she tries her best, so she's generally beloved by her people, until the Fountain makes her more intense.
This has an impact on quite a few things about the world. The other three queens are allowed to be more present, as mentioned before, because Queen never locks them up. In general, Queen doesn't really punish people, and the Prison is still just a Basement Which Just So Happens To Have A Lot Of Cages. Technically, there are still four queens—but Queen asserted herself so much as the one ruler, everyone just kind of let her. They still get to live in luxury and keep their treasures, with less work involved, so there wasn't much of a struggle to take power. There's Four Queens, but only one Ruler...only one GirlKing.
This also directly is the reason for the Rouxls<-->Lancer swap! Queen is a much more attentive parent than King, and rather than sending him to do her dirty work for her, while the Lightners are around she prefers to keep him locked down at home, where she knows he's safe. I imagine he went home just a little before Ralsei and Kris entered the Kingdom. The lack of pressure for him to be 'the bad guy' is why some signs are him actually trying to be helpful. And because of her leniency, he's also a little more inclined to rebellion (well...with encouragement from a Certain Source). He digs holes all over the maze, because he doesn't have to be afraid of making a mess. He isn't supposed to eat the Dark Candy, he does, and then learns why he isn't supposed to. Though, also because of this, he's a little more cowardly when it comes to being faced with actually scary things, because he hasn't become used to his own parent threatening him this time.
Rouxls's side of it comes from Queen not firing people. Everyone still keeps their jobs, so the puzzle guys are still the puzzle guys, and Rouxls Kaard is still the tutorial guy. This AU also operates under the assumption that Rouxls is the former boss of the Great Board (because like. he is) and so he is still in charge there, too. And Rouxls? He doesn't want to be the tutorial guy. He is going to so many lengths to not be the tutorial guy. Without being given second-in-command position by the Queen herself he has to go out of his way in order to earn her favor, which will get him what he wants, whatever that is, he thinks. Somehow. His plan is very well-thought out, for sure. This all encourages him to take the opportunity to oppose the Lightners when they show up.
Oh, and I think it's also important, that Queen is similarly ignorant to the grander scheme of things like in-game. She has not been told the Prophecy. There are some things she knows...but she doesn't have the full extent of King's knowledge. She's aware that there's information she doesn't have, though, and finding out this information is one of her main goals.
As for King...I have less on him, since I'm mostly focused on Chapter 1 right now with only some concepts for the others, but I do have basics about him.
I'm taking Universal Mother Theory and putting it on him. He's the Universal Father now. Which makes the contrast between his dynamics with the characters almost funny. Because with Kris and Noelle, he's super friendly and caring towards them...but to literally anyone else, he's like. The Worst. And I guess he wouldn't be as bad as canon, maybe—since he'd still care about the Lightners by default, as he hasn't been abandoned by them, but perhaps more...expecting, of them. I think, like. He looks down on them. He wants them to meet what his expectation for them is...it's a little hard to explain in a way that makes sense without the full context, haha. It'd be especially present in his dynamic with Berdly. Obviously, we don't know what his dad would be like, or if he even has one. I'm just rolling with the assumption that whatever other parental figure he has would be the kind to only acknowledge him if he does well, given his whole complex, and is otherwise incredibly neglectful. Just to differentiate a bit from Queen. King never fails to be hateable, sorry...he does have some redeeming qualities, but he's still King, and the horrible fatherness still shines through I'm afraid...
He's not too popular among the residents either! Though it's not like they're powerful enough to overthrow him, it allows characters other than him to be popular figures in the Cyber World. Junkan can keep Tenna's desperate cling to his lasting fame through sheer refusal to be left behind. He's washed-up, but people hate King so much, he's still able to stay somewhat relevant alongside him. I mean, before the Fountain opened, maybe he wasn't as bad, like Queen, and had his fans. But he still doesn't retain as much likeability as her, and his cruelty being upped after the Fountain and outage does not do his popularity any favors. And while nobody's powerful enough to overthrow him yet...there is a certain power strip who remembers the time before the King even arrived who'd like to see the day that bugger was told what for.
There is certainly more to the both of them! (Especially King...his two paragraphs here are comically small compared to Queen...but I promise he will have more. when i get to him eventually in 10 million years) But I am still making those things haha
