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[merryweathart]

Kids, always remember to hate on generative ai, fascism and the patriarchy ✨️

[avodkat]

happy pride to the hand jumper fandom...i know what you are....,,,

[toxicsyjin]

[avodkat]

sayeon lee and trust as a substitute for love

in hand jumper, sayeon uses trust as a substitution for love.

sayeon lee has never experienced mutual unconditional love. no one truly knew her for who she was as the daughter of a criminal aberrant. the closest she ever got was jaeil, who died. her sister’s love is (arguably) unreciprocated. thus, she doesn’t acknowledge the love she feels for other people (like all her other emotions). sayeon is a utilitarian. trust is directly tied to her ability to manipulate, by extension, mission success. so, it is the only form of affection that she allows herself to have.

additionally, sayeon doesn’t trust people easily. she is a logical person who questions and criticizes everything. in the corps, blind faith could mean death. as a leader, trust is indicative of power and skill, both things sayeon aspires for. sayeon understands the weight trust carries in the aberrant corps, where the survival rate is minimal.

so, she searches for affection through the trust placed on her by other people.

this emphasis on trust is paralleled with love. when sayeon learns her teammates trust her, she starts smiling and blushing, which is a stereotypically romantic reaction. she searches and even craves for trust in the same way many people want affection. in missions, she tries to be as efficient and successful as possible to gain trust. she constantly wonders if characters like min and ryujin trust her. like love, trust needs to be earned. her journey towards gaining trust mirrors a journey towards genuine relationships, albeit a more twisted, complicated version.

but the most compelling parallel is that sayeon lee does not want characters to be forced to trust her. instead, she hopes they will trust her out of their own volition. as ryujin says: “you want me to choose you all on your own”. even absent the obvious romantic undertones, the treatment of trust as something that cannot be forced mirrors the nature of love. in the same way true love is mutual, sayeon wants trust to be real and reciprocated.

through the parallelism of trust and love, sleepacross delves into complex and ambiguous relationships, which allows her to further explore themes of moral grayness. but more than that, she explores how a person’s psyche can be impacted by trauma, and thus, inability to acknowledge love.

[asterisksks]

i feel like with samin and sayeon in particular is where sayeon’s relationship with love equalling trust is exposed:

sayeon was capable of love at some point - we see that with sara and samin. however, at some point, both these people betrayed her trust. sara’s cruel and inhumane nature distanced herself from her daughter, and samin’s act of murder traumatized sayeon so severely that it pounded the message of “the world is better without people like you” into her.

that initial trauma caused by samin is why sayeon doesn’t love anything. her care for samin was, in her eyes, manipulated and then crushed. samin did what she did bc she knew sayeon loved her dearly.

it makes sense, then, why she values trust equally like love— those you love won’t betray you, yet love itself is what caused sayeon’s heart to be shattered as a child. she doesn’t trust samin, and so she can’t feel any love towards her, since again, those you love don’t betray you.

i also think, at a baseline, trust is an easier concept than love, at least to our dear protagonist. love takes many forms, causes irrational behavior, isn’t reliable. (re: samin). however, trust is black and white: you either trust someone or you don’t. and thus, trust can be calculated, planned for. people don’t do things for people they don’t trust. but if people do trust her, sayeon can account for their actions with 100% certainty.

or, at least, that’s what she thinks…

[avodkat]

yes exactly! i wasn't sure how to phrase it, but i definitely agree that sayeon's relationship with her sister plays a vital role in the way she views love. my favorite part is your analysis about the specific people sayeon has loved (samin, jaeil, jungwon) and how her love is consistently manipulated then crushed. it really mechanises why sayeon has distanced herself from more complex forms of affection.

[avodkat]

sayjin! (not self indulgent at all))))))

[way-down-aevistown]

hand jumper is insane the plot is going so wild rn and the fucking facial expressions and angles and everything are so beautiful on top oh ryujin you are my beloved sufferer

[green-fellow]

Do you guys think about how Sayeon and Samin were shown to be so close despite everything untill Samin killed her friend’s dad. How that was probably the first time Samin had made her little sister see her as scary, before both of them knew mom was scary, but now Samin’s scary too. How Samin probably regrets how she handled it, but she was just 17 and afraid of the danger this man could’ve brought to their house if she didn’t deal with him, how she was just trying to get Sayeon to understand that she put herself in danger by leading him here, she wasn’t trying to hurt or scare her little sister, just get her to understand. But it was too much, sayeon wouldn’t come to her with nightmares anymore or let her read her to sleep. It’s fine, she was mean and scary, Sayeon’s right to be afraid, it’s ok. She can make it up to her by being a good older sister, maybe she’ll forgive her one day. But she can stay mad forever if she wants, Samin will love her anyway. But she will never get her back.

[thenightraze]

Nibelungenlied/Hand Jumper Symbolism?

I have been researching some of the legends Sleepy mentioned in her q&a again. She mentions the epic poem Nibelungenlied (though only in reference to the three nixies) so I thought I would research it. 

I found something of possible interest? Siegfried was nearly invulnerable since he bathed in the blood of a dragon he slayed, except for a single spot on his back where a Lindon leaf fell and prevented the blood from touching his skin.

Kriemhild (Siegfried’s wife) sews a cross (an X) on Siegfried’s clothing where this weakness is. This cross was meant to act as a protective measure (to tell their ally, Hagen, where to protect Siegfried), however Hagen betrayed them and drove a spear into Siegfried’s back when he was drinking from a stream.

Ryujin has the dragon (Ryujin is a dragon in Japanese myth), blood (her gift) and X link to Siegfried? Ryujin can harden her blood to become invulnerable (ep. 70), and Ryujin’s friend(?), Jiwon, embroidered an X on Ryujin’s cap (ep. 48).

Interestingly, the first time Ryujin died was from being shot in the head when she was wearing this cap.

[avodkat]

people NEED to talk about the lyrics to the official character playlists more

sleepacross previously said that the lyrics in the character playlists are mostly literal. so do yall realise that means the lyrics to these songs actually reveal a lot about the characters…..

okay hj editors have already abused drink for sayjin but hello? these are ryujins canonical lyrics?

then this on mins playlist:

not to mention the song “how to disappear completely” on mins playlist

idk what this means for iseul honestly maybe about his trust in sayeon

this is honestly crazy especially since sleepacross has stated the meanings are mostly literal.. like this isn’t just in the playlist for the vibes….. what does this all meann……..

[evangelineiiimoscovia]

Several months after my Sayeon post and I feel like I need to add a follow up. Anyone who looks at Sayeon and calls her a psychopath or a sociopath, who questions her ability to feel empathy or guilt... I don't know how to break it to you, almost everything wrong with Sayeon nowadays is literally a product of her extreme childhood guilt.

Everything she's ever done is out of guilt, constantly apologising for existing but also wanting to justify her existence. That's her duality. She desperately wants the people she cares about to be safe, to the point of obsession. She doesn't trust other people to be safe if she's not there, she doesn't believe she's worthy of being alive but she desperately wants to be told otherwise. That's why she's always proving herself, making herself irreplaceable, perfect. She literally keeps asking Ryujin if she hates her and rewinds the timeline when Ryujin says she doesn't BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T BELIEVE HER and she doesn't need anyone to see her be vulnerable.

She's a very traumatised child getting thrown into a literal dog eat dog world and trying to survive, keep her cellmates safe, while watching the system she desperately clung to as the absolute opposition to her sister's underworld (and thus as an "absolute good") prove itself to be just as corrupt if not more than the literal crime syndicates she swore she would never be a part of. She spent her entire life destroying herself inside and out because it was her only chance at escaping her sister and the criminal underworld she knew she was born from. And out of every career option she chose CRIMINAL PROSECUTOR.

She asked if "a parent being guilty of a crime makes the children guilty by proxy" she said with full conviction that since Sara Lee killed an innocent daughter she should have her family (specifically her daughters) killed as well like? How is it not obvious? She's not talking about some abstract daughters or about Samin, she's talking about herself. The more she learns about her mother and her sister's crimes the more she understands that she should be punished alongside them, but she doesn't want to! Because she wants to live! So everything she does is to prove to herself that she doesn't deserve the same fate as her family!

[avodkat]

it's also important to understand that sayeon was never taught good from evil like a normal child, so she lacks the intuition to gauge right from wrong like other people. as a result, she uses arbitrary laws and systems as a metric to gauge righteousness. she believes following these rules leads to moral goodness and thus moral absolution.

in school, the rule was: get straight As and be a model student. in the aberrant corps, the rule is: gain the most points in the most vicious and utilitarian ways. sayeon says it herself during the capture the flag arc.

obviously her actions lie in a moral gray area like almost everything else in hand jumper, but she isn't a master manipulator who does cruel things for fun.

[happyt-r-ail]

as requested from my partner – them

[green-fellow]

I forgot how much I loved this dumb jock, true female himbo representation

[avodkat]

CAN SOMEONE EDIT SNAPBACK TO MICHELLE OMGGG

[ellisdweller]

TSUBAKI’S WRITING A HAND JUMPER AU IN HER HEAD LOVE THAT FOR HER

[avodkat]

rip tsubaki you would’ve loved ao3

[avodkat]

sayeon lee and trust as a substitute for love

in hand jumper, sayeon uses trust as a substitution for love.

sayeon lee has never experienced mutual unconditional love. no one truly knew her for who she was as the daughter of a criminal aberrant. the closest she ever got was jaeil, who died. her sister’s love is (arguably) unreciprocated. thus, she doesn’t acknowledge the love she feels for other people (like all her other emotions). sayeon is a utilitarian. trust is directly tied to her ability to manipulate, by extension, mission success. so, it is the only form of affection that she allows herself to have.

additionally, sayeon doesn’t trust people easily. she is a logical person who questions and criticizes everything. in the corps, blind faith could mean death. as a leader, trust is indicative of power and skill, both things sayeon aspires for. sayeon understands the weight trust carries in the aberrant corps, where the survival rate is minimal.

so, she searches for affection through the trust placed on her by other people.

this emphasis on trust is paralleled with love. when sayeon learns her teammates trust her, she starts smiling and blushing, which is a stereotypically romantic reaction. she searches and even craves for trust in the same way many people want affection. in missions, she tries to be as efficient and successful as possible to gain trust. she constantly wonders if characters like min and ryujin trust her. like love, trust needs to be earned. her journey towards gaining trust mirrors a journey towards genuine relationships, albeit a more twisted, complicated version.

but the most compelling parallel is that sayeon lee does not want characters to be forced to trust her. instead, she hopes they will trust her out of their own volition. as ryujin says: “you want me to choose you all on your own”. even absent the obvious romantic undertones, the treatment of trust as something that cannot be forced mirrors the nature of love. in the same way true love is mutual, sayeon wants trust to be real and reciprocated.

through the parallelism of trust and love, sleepacross delves into complex and ambiguous relationships, which allows her to further explore themes of moral grayness. but more than that, she explores how a person’s psyche can be impacted by trauma, and thus, inability to acknowledge love.

[ace-and-the-rpg-horrors]

i'm not over this panel actually

the way she phrases it as "AND Ryujin." the "and" being italicised. like that's the part that ESPECIALLY gets to her. the fact that he disrespects the lads is one thing, but him DARING to be rude to RYUJIN too? as if that crosses some sort of line in her mind? okay Sayeon. i see you

(this also feels somewhat related to this one interesting theory i've seen that suggested another motivation for Sayeon's hostility towards Taeho might be that she's subconsciously inspired by RYUJIN'S hatred for him and his family.... very intriguing idea)

[ace-and-the-rpg-horrors]

another Cell 3/4 dynamic i think would be interesting to see: the Cell 3 girls and Ryujin!! we've seen a bit of how they both are with Sayeon, but what about their other roommate?

i really wonder what Dahee and Tsubaki think of Ryujin and vice versa. we know that Dahee is clearly patient and very capable of handling more abrasive personalities (Exhibit A: Taeho Gyeon) so i don't reckon she'd be easily offended by Ryujin's ruder moments? Tsubaki, on the other hand, might be quite intimidated by her. i also think Ryujin would be fairly tolerant of them both. Dahee's cheerful and optimistic personality is probably reminiscent of Iseul's, and other than looking down on him for his loyalty to the Corps, Ryujin seems to be on fine-ish terms with him for the most part. as for what she might think of Tsubaki, i think there's a possibility that Tsubaki's timidness might get on her nerves a little? but Ryujin seem to be quite a protective person deep down, so i could also see her pitying someone like Tsubaki. plus, from Tsubaki's backstory and general demeanour, i personally can't imagine that she's very happy being in the Corps, and as Ryujin despises being there herself, it may be something she could perhaps sympathise with?