Welcome to the 'demonstream' room.
Toaster: *salutes to Rosanna* How's my favorite multiversarl mech?~
KnockOot: ((Can you turn the sound up a bit?
Rainbowcracker: ((did that help?
Rosanna: *shakes helm* Tired
Sunny: No not really.))
Rainbowcracker: (dangit. idk what to tell ya'll. this copy is just really quiet i thinl
Rosanna: *could use a lap to sit on, js*
KnockOot: ((Ah, that helps! Â Thanks!
Toaster: *laughs and pats his lap as an offer*
Sunny: ((That worked. :3))
KnockOot: . . . *smiles at the mini-bot*
Rainbowcracker: ((\o/
KnockOot: You're very small.
Rosanna: *neeee, you're gonna make her walk all the way over there?*
Bevel: *going to sit in the front and watch*
Rainbowcracker: ((I never picked up on the cat's name being Lucifer when i was a kid
KnockOot: I'll bet anyone could easily carry you around.
Rosanna: *are you talking to me, sir*
KnockOot: *you will make such a great puzzle for Smokescreen*
KnockOot: *with a little surgery*
babyBushi: *AND CAREENING IN LIKE FIFTEEN MINUTES LATE*
babyBushi: Hi!!! What did we miss? :D
Rosanna: Driftu-san!
Rainbowcracker: *chirps at Drift! And Bevel!*
Rosanna: *Drift
Rainbowcracker: *all the babies
Slendybear: *Soundwave will keep his lot out of Rosanna's way. Â No fear.*
Rosanna: *..seeing as how she got no answer, she'll trouble herself to climb onto Toaster*
Toaster: *probably gonna make you walk all the way over here*
Rosanna: *SEE*
Toaster: ((LATE haha))
KnockOot: ((GDI Cinderella, stop being so passive
Rainbowcracker: ((I've seen breakdowns of how the fact she's remained so chill in an abusive environment is like, super awesome for her
Rosanna: *Rosanna is sad that your lot doesn't want to be near her, Soundwave*
Rosanna: *v sad*
Toaster: Promise I'm just as amazing at being a pillow as anything else. Make yourself at home. *helm pats*
Prowl: ((She's an abuse victim, she's doing pretty good tbh
babyBushi: *gonna sit with Rosanna cuz she said hi first*
Rosanna: *aw yee*
Rosanna: *awkwardly reaches out from her perch to pat Drift*
babyBushi: :D Hi. *pats back*
Toaster: *glances over at the mecha who sat next to him since Rosanna is on his lap* Just makin' yourself at home, ain't you? Well, two's fun but three's even more.
Rosanna: You offered!
Slendybear: *He can only do so much*
Rainbowcracker: ((dude you lucky. chickens eat mice
Rosanna: ((they do? ono
Rainbowcracker: ((yup. small snakes too
babyBushi: Now it's five! *Stream and Storm wave at Blaster*
Toaster: Huh what's that, little lady?
Rosanna: *happy noise?*
Rainbowcracker: ((tho gunieas do more of the snake killing and eating))
Rosanna: *happy noise*
Robustus: *finds a place to sit*
Rainbowcracker: Run little guy! Don't just grab fuel!
Rosanna: Nothing! Just.. enjoying myself
Slendybear: \\FRAG'S SAKE, LEAVE THE LAST CUBE\\
Toaster: *teasing pout* You mean I have competition? *loosens his grip to allow rosanna to say hi to the other minicons*
Rosanna: *shakes helm* Sempai? Never~
babyBushi: I'm not competition.
Rosanna: But I can have more than one friend, ne?
Toaster: *laughs* Of course.
Rosanna: *baby drift is a carrier. she likes those*
Toaster: And if anyone else wants to climb all over me, I don't blame them or begrudge them.
Toaster: Call me a minicon jungle gym.
Rosanna: *giggle*
Rosanna: *like your brother but cuter*
Toaster: *totally cuter than his brother, no denying*
babyBushi: ((oh my god look at that))
babyBushi: ((cinderella has a HABIT of losing her shoes))
babyBushi: ((on staircases no less))
babyBushi: ((gurl))
Rainbowcracker: ((omg
KnockOot: ((Well, that is what you get for feeding the vermin.
babyBushi: ... *minicon jungle gym?*
babyBushi: *stream and storm promptly climb on Toaster*
Rosanna: *just don't step on and/or smother the one laying there already*
babyBushi: *of course not*
KnockOot: ((Smug cat is smug
Rosanna: *not that she'd complain too much. minis who don't hate her! What a novel idea*
Toaster: Is this what it feels like to be Blaster?
Slendybear: //Naw. Â You gotta be a lot more dead for that.//
babyBushi: ......... *hmmm...*
Rosanna: Rumble
babyBushi: *drift climbs on Toaster's shoulders as well :D*
Slendybear: *Ravage swats at him*
Rosanna: *omg*
Slendybear: //What? Â It's true.//
Rosanna: Neee, not for everyone it's not
KnockOot: Humans are obsessed with reproducing.
Rosanna: *don't ruin her good mood, pls*
Slendybear: *Pfeh.*
babyBushi: ((oh my god why are they swimming on the king's desk))
altwave: ....
Rosanna: *You're really good at it, rumble.*
Rainbowcracker: What if he just like that frametype?
Slendybear: *Thank you*
Rainbowcracker: *doesnt'
babyBushi: *man he can see everyone in the room from here*
KnockOot: Is maiden a frametype?
Rainbowcracker: I think so. It got brought up in a different movie.
altwave: *agrees with the cat on this*
Slendybear: *Soundwave debates recording this...*
babyBushi: *waves at Soundwave*
Toaster: ...
Slendybear: [[Drift.]]
babyBushi: Hi Soundwave! :D
Rosanna: *will go back to being pleased with these arrangements*
Slendybear: *Oh, now that one he'll record*
Rosanna: *she has carrierDrift and Toaster*
KnockOot: ((Yep, that's a cat for you
Rainbowcracker: ((i love how the cat is malicious, but is still only doing normal cat things
altwave: yeeeep))
KnockOot: ((Yes <3
Slendybear: [[He heard of your volunteering work. Â Did you enjoy it?]]
KnockOot: What is a nightin gale?
Toaster: *forces a smile, looks a bit crushed* Wow, wait until the Lost Light hears how people were just crawling all over me
babyBushi: Yeah! I got to meet a lot of other newbuilds.
Bevel: Bird!
KnockOot: ((Next he should push some ornaments off a shelf just because.
Slendybear: {{Yah?}}
KnockOot: Ohh.
Toaster: *uncomfortable laughter*
Rosanna: *presses cheek against*
Toaster: ((like HOW BIG IS DRIFT))
Prowl: ((KO sized?
babyBushi: ((a bit more slender and lighter-armored than KO, but otherwise the same size yeah))
Toaster: ((babyBushi: *drift climbs on Toaster's shoulders as well :D*))
Toaster: ((did you mean to type drift?))
Slendybear: [[It is his hope that you made friends.]]
babyBushi: ((yes, his name is Drift, and he is on your shoulders))
Toaster: ((because toast has a full sized mecha trying to crawl on him right now ))
Toaster: ((omg))
babyBushi: ((yep))
babyBushi: ((that is exactly what is happening))
Rosanna: ((Yes
Toaster: *mouths help me*
babyBushi: *it's just a piggyback ride :D*
Rosanna: Ne, ne! Drift! Maybe Soundwave would like to talk to you up close! You should go see
babyBushi: Okay!
babyBushi: *kind of somersaults backwards off of Toaster*
Rosanna: *will be disappointed, but Toaster looked v umcomfortable*
Slendybear: *Polite applause for the stunt.*
Toaster: Yeah, yeah. Go jam with Soundwave.
babyBushi: *and goes to sit by Soundwave* Hi. :)
KnockOot: Buzzsaw, do you know anything about making puzzles?
Slendybear: }}Of course.{{
Toaster: ((normal size mecha crawling on a normal size mecha lol))
Toaster: ((no wonder he's uncomfortable))
KnockOot: Cat puzzles?
Rosanna: ((yes.
KnockOot: I mean, puzzles that look like cats.
Slendybear: [[Welcome, Drift. Â Storm, Stream. Â Enjoy your seat.]]
Rosanna: ((but Drift doesn't know any better
Rosanna: ((yet
Slendybear: }}I suppose.{{
babyBushi: ((Drift's like "I'm skinny, he's built like a tank, this'll work."))
Toaster: *makes a relieved noise* Does he always have such a... go-get-em attitude?
KnockOot: *stares hopefully at him*
Rosanna: *nods* Please don't be mad with him! He's young! He doesn't know any better
babyBushi: *stream and storm follow after Drift and move themselves to Soundwave's lap. Hey, he didn't say they COULDN'T.*
Slendybear: }}...Do... you want to purchase one from him?{{
Toaster: *an interested look* You don't say.
KnockOot: Yes!
KnockOot: Ahem. Â Yes.
KnockOot: (Nooo, Windows 8
Sunny: Whoopsies. :P))
Rainbowcracker: ((*** YALL SAW THAT
Toaster: ((oh my god, he's considering screaming across the room that soundwave looks like a jungle gym, too))
Slendybear: *Soundwave straightens up and sort of - has a bit of a useless arm movement before accepting this*
KnockOot: ((Accept your fate, Soundwave
Rainbowcracker: *is Drift climbing on mechs?*
babyBushi: *Drift leans on Soundwave. You're taller than Blaster, but you're also skinny and sharp. You don't look fun to sit on.*
Rosanna: Yeah, he's new.. less than a year, I think.
babyBushi: **Toaster
Slendybear: }}Send him the details when this is over. Â He will begin construction at once.{{
KnockOot: ((Man, dragging a ribbon across the floor is like the #1 way to attract a cat's attention.
Rosanna: He's very nice, but boundaries aren't a thing *quiet laugh*
Slendybear: *If Drift wishes, Soundwave will pull a stunt to show Toaster up something fierce.*
KnockOot: All right. Â Thank you. Â What do you want for payment, though?
babyBushi: *Drift would be delighted*
Toaster: ((he didn't actually do it, omg))
Toaster: ((why are we making an example of toast when he just thought it? lol))
Slendybear: ((IDK about you guys but this is the most accurate Disney cat EVER))
Rainbowcracker: ((p much
babyBushi: ((maybe because Soundwave is psychic.))
Prowl: ((It def is
KnockOot: ((Sabor!
Rainbowcracker: ((dont pull those off Cunderelly will have to put them back on
KnockOot: ((I dunno, they got the attitude right with Lucifer but he doesn't move like a cat at all.
Toaster: ((but I said it ooc omg))
Rainbowcracker: ((50's kitty
Slendybear: ((He's only showing up Toaster because how dare you have the minis crawling all over you sir minis are his business))
Toaster: ((noted haha))
Slendybear: }}He will require his blades sharpened. Â His last spire harvest finished dulling them again.{{
Slendybear: ((gdit... habit. Â I / My please))
babyBushi: ((I want singing mice to sew my costumes for me.))
Slendybear: ((I don't write Buzzsaw often lmao))
KnockOot: Ah! Â I can do that.
Rosanna: *but now that you only have one, pay attention to heeeerrr*
Rainbowcracker: ((fvck yeah
Toaster: So, Rosanna, are the minicons just a year, too?
Rosanna: *nodnod*
Slendybear: *Soundwave has noticed that Drift likes high up places. Â Drift has also dealt with feelers before. Â So he wraps Drift's upper legs and lower back in them and hoists him up high in a makeshift chair*
Toaster: Primus, my universe hasn't had a proper new generation of newbuilds... in a long time.
Slendybear: *Just as easily as when he tossed Wheeljack around like a rag doll*
babyBushi: ?!?!!
Rainbowcracker: !! *grins at the jumgle gym over there*
babyBushi: *a momentary flail to get balance, but then he's steady. And officially taller than everybody in the room* Thank you! 8D
Rosanna: Mm, same, I think.. I haven't been home in a long time.
Toaster: ... Is that always how you treat your newbuilds?
Slendybear: [[Quite welcome.]]
Toaster: Wait, you mean you're not from around here? *looks at Rosanna curiously*
Rosanna: *shakes helm* Not really.. I'm sort of. visiting? Home isn't safe for me right now
Rosanna: *not a lie*
Sunny: ((Dem big booties.))
Rosanna: *yet*
Toaster: *kind of wants to ask to try what just happened to drift but knows better than to ask, is such an idiot but it looked kind of fun, if odd*
Rainbowcracker: ((bustles
KnockOot: ((The bustlyness!
KnockOot: ((And bustliest.
Toaster: Well, you're safe enough here~ *hugs her tighter*
Rainbowcracker: ((ow
Rainbowcracker: 8(
Rosanna: *yesgood*
KnockOot: :(
Slendybear: \\CHASE HER DOWN\\
Bevel: BAD
Rainbowcracker: *scoots closer to Prowl*
Slendybear: \\WHOOP HER ELDERLY AFT\\
babyBushi: :( But her friends made that dress.
Rainbowcracker: *chokes at Frenzy tho omg*
KnockOot: She should set the house on fire.
Prowl: *not a word of complaint*
Slendybear: \\YEAH\\
Slendybear: \\TORCH THEIR STUFF\\
Bevel: YEAH
Rosanna: Thank you. *Toaster you're so nice. she likes you very much. please don't leave like she thinks you will*
KnockOot: And take the animal friends and run away.
Slendybear: *Frenzy blinks at Bevel... but hey, cool.*
Bevel: *Soundwave should be glad Bevel is looking at the screen or she'd ask to be hoisted up too*
Sunny: ((-squints at rainbro- Watchu doin over dere))
Slendybear: *Perhaps in a while*
babyBushi: *... okay, the novelty's worn off. squirms a little bit.* Can I come down pplease?
Slendybear: {{...Where that human come from.}}
Slendybear: [[As you wish.]]
Slendybear: *Down you go, kid.*
Rainbowcracker: *Sitting with Prowl u nerd*
KnockOot: She has subspace.
Rainbowcracker: *Prowl is super awesome*
babyBushi: Thank you.
Toaster: *apparently shares the mentality of bevel and drift, what does this say about him?*
Slendybear: {{Cinder-girl put singing old woman in subspace?}}
Slendybear: {{Why her not pull old singer out before?}}
Rosanna: *you're cute*
KnockOot: Um.
KnockOot: I don't know.
Toaster: You're welcome~ *bounces rosanna to the beat on his knee*
Bevel: She is a fairy godmother. They can appear anywhere.
KnockOot: Maybe she's only for use in emergencies.
Slendybear: //I ain't seen nobody breakin any glass.//
Rainbowcracker: ...is that how it works?
Slendybear: //So she like. Â Bridged there?//
Rainbowcracker: ...girl you ain't even gonna ask 'em first?
Slendybear: //Holy frag, she's a GREYFACE//
KnockOot: ((What if she'd turned Lucifer into a horse.
Slendybear: \\RUN CINDERELLA, RUN\\
Slendybear: \\THE HORSES PROBABLY EAT PEOPLE\\
babyBushi: I think she's a pink face.
babyBushi: We're gray faces.
KnockOot: She IS a greyface.
Prowl: *chuckles at Drift*
babyBushi: ... Except TC. He's a blue face.
Rosanna: *has a pink face*
Slendybear: [[No, no. Â Not grey faces. Â Greyfaces. Â One word. Â Mysterious beings wielding power.]]
Rosanna: *literal pink*
Rainbowcracker: 8D My face is cool.
KnockOot: Greyfaces can do all sorts of things to you.
KnockOot: Horrible things, usually.
Slendybear: #i don't have a face
Rainbowcracker: ((screw the mice. i want this woman to work on my costumes
Bevel: *claps*
babyBushi: ((yeah but hers are rentals.))
Rainbowcracker: ((...i will so write in a Fairy Godmother's costume rental shop in a story man
Toaster: *skeptical look* This greyface thing a local urban legend?
Toaster: ((oops, italics))
KnockOot: ((I read a blog by a party princess, who princesses for little girl's birthday parties. Â Totally fascinating.
babyBushi: ... Do they do magic?
Rainbowcracker: Nah, mech.
Toaster: ((... underline))
Rainbowcracker: It's like...weird anonymous grey humanish things. That can change reality.
Rainbowcracker: It don't make any sense bu they suck.
babyBushi: ...... Like Primus?
babyBushi: *primus makes things.*
KnockOot: They turned me into an egg. >:(
Bevel: No, anonies are mean.
babyBushi: Oh.
Slendybear: [[Some can be helpful.]]
KnockOot: Teal put a HAT on me.
Toaster: You're right about the no sense thing, but who am I to speak? Haha, I'm on the Lost Light and who said there was sense there.
Rainbowcracker: Just be careful, yeah?
Rainbowcracker: ((Checkin' out that booty
Toaster: What do I got to do to avoid them? Tapdance while throwing copper shavings over my left shoulder?
KnockOot: Ugh.
Slendybear: //Mostly you jus' don't let 'em know you exist.//
Rainbowcracker: Luck. An' bein' borin'.
Rainbowcracker: I think.
Rosanna: *nod!*
Rainbowcracker: MAke sure you're not someone they can enjopy th' sufferin' of, like Bevel here.
Slendybear: //SHHH! Â You wanna get the scraplet in trouble wit' one?//
KnockOot: *soberly* Â There's no way to avoid them except luck.
babyBushi: Why would they enjoy somebody's suffering?
Slendybear: [[Some of them can be cruel.]]
KnockOot: They just do.
Bevel: Impact says you just yell NO really loud and they go away.
Slendybear: [[Others are useful, as he said. Â The planet is protected because of one.]]
Toaster: *leans down and whispers to Rosanna* Do you believe all of this?
Slendybear: \\HAHA, I CAN YELL\\
Rainbowcracker: Maybe it works better if you're a newbuild.
Rosanna: They're not wrong.. seems like they exist only in worlds that know the multiverse.
Rainbowcracker: Sometimes their stuff don't work, either. *shrugs
Rosanna: So.. maybe sooner or later.
babyBushi: I like her dress. It's sparkly.
KnockOot: She's in love already?
Sunny: (("Love" Mhm. Sure.))
Prowl: I've never been bothered by them.
Sunny: No. She just wants in his pants.
KnockOot: Heh.
Slendybear: }}Taking it quickly, my dear.{{
babyBushi: Why would she want in his pants? Her dress is prettier.
babyBushi: His pants don't even sparkle.
Sunny: -ohslagsparklingthinkfast-
KnockOot: Her dress is much prettier.
Bevel: Yeah!
KnockOot: But they meant she wants to interface with him.
Slendybear: [[Perhaps because her dress will disappear at mid--KNOCK OUT.]]
KnockOot: What?
Sunny: HE SAID IT NOT I
Rainbowcracker: ..I'd take her dress over his pants too.
KnockOot: *has no compuncitons*
Bevel: Liking bonding?
Sunny: She just wants him for his looks, nothing more.
Rainbowcracker: His pants just have a racin' stripe on 'em.
Bevel: like*))
KnockOot: She doesn't know him well enough to bond.
Slendybear: #oh! Â #his pants make him go faster
KnockOot: She's known him like an hour.
Sunny: She just thinks he's hot.
babyBushi: ... Which kind of interface? *that is a very vague term*
KnockOot: ((Fastpants
KnockOot: You know--interfacing. Â *helpful*
Sunny: That clock chimes very slowly.
Rainbowcracker: ..I don't know if she wants t' face with him. But she did like him.
KnockOot: *somewhat distracted by chase scene*
babyBushi: *Knock Out you are supremely unhelpful*
Bevel: *also distracted, lost interest in the interface talk*
babyBushi: ... The Prince's jacket was pretty though. If it was sparkly, it would look better than her dress did.
Slendybear: ((...where were her toes))
Rainbowcracker: ((I REALLY hope she was wearing hose
Prowl: ((lazy animators
babyBushi: ((that's how her feet fit in the tiny slipper when no other woman's does.))
Slendybear: ((lmao))
babyBushi: ((because she has a strange mutant uni-toe))
KnockOot: ((hahaha
Sunny: That slipper is so tiny
Prowl: ((lol
Sunny: it's like a baby shoe
altwave: ((stockings?
Toaster: ((well, they did have to draw these all by hand))
Toaster: ((and probably on a time limit))
Rainbowcracker: ((I don't think they'd skip the toes if shoes are so important))
KnockOot: ((If they can draw shadows of people dancing, they can draw toes.
Prowl: ((probably hose
Toaster: *tries not to laugh* You do believe it? Well... I guess I can't rule it out.
Rosanna: *whiiine*
babyBushi: ((I for one like the monotoe theory))
KnockOot: Ugh, humans.
Slendybear: //Now how come that shoe ain't disappeared with the rest?//
Toaster: *doesn't look like he believes a word of it*
KnockOot: They're so selfish.
Rosanna: *you don't believe this faaaace*
Rainbowcracker: What if more than one person fits th' shoe?
Rosanna: *;^;*
Toaster: *nooooooooooooooo, not really*
KnockOot: ((AU where the prince is forced to marry some random girl.
Toaster: *pokes her from behind* Boo, greyface.
Rainbowcracker: ((Hey, i think it'd be nice. some random girl gets a prince and Cinderella, emboldened by her one night of freedom, escapes her father's house
Toaster: *showing his prankster side*
Prowl: ((100% approve
Rosanna: *sticks glossa out at*
KnockOot: ((And it's not like the prince knew Cinderella well anyway, so he hasn't really lost anything.
Toaster: *chuckles quietly*
babyBushi: ((or, twenty girls are found who fit it. they all get to be queen. they form a queen club. They have a great time.))
KnockOot: ((Perfect
Rosanna: *leans up and kisses*
Toaster: ...! *kisses back* Well, that's one way to end a disagreement. I like your strategy.
Rosanna: *smile*
Rosanna: *it works so uvu*
KnockOot: ((Lucky Lady Tremaine didn't kill her and throw her body in the well right there.
babyBushi: ((that was a great camera angle there))
KnockOot: ((Man, no wonder Cinderella is in shape.
KnockOot: ((Look at all those freaking stairs.
Prowl: ((Lady Tremaine is such an awfulwoman
Sunny: ((Yanno. If I was that step-mother. I'd push Cinderella out a window and claim she committed suicide. Done. Problem fixed.))
KnockOot: ((Awful woman, best villain.
babyBushi: ((you'd think by now she'd learn how to go up and down stairs without losing her shoes))
Sunny: ((Well normally she wears flats, not heels.))
Prowl: ((I think Gothel gave her some good competition. I know mothers kinda like Gothel.
babyBushi: ((no, earlier in the movie, she lost a shoe going up the house's stairs.))
KnockOot: ((Definitely
babyBushi: ((losing shoes isn't just for the glass slippers. This is a HABIT with her.))
Sunny: ((Oh. yeah. Right.))
KnockOot: ((Wow, I'm really seeing char design similarities between this and Alice in Wonderland.
Prowl: ((Made about the same time, yeah
KnockOot: (("Your manners. Â *smile* Â *DEATH GLARE*"))
Rainbowcracker: ((what is the advisor guy's name? I like him
KnockOot: Some mouse tea.
Prowl: ((Just Grand Duke
Sunny: ((Noooo stream whyyyy))
Rosanna: ((noooo
babyBushi: ((nooo))
Rainbowcracker: ((WHAT DID IT DO
babyBushi: ((it's frozen))
Prowl: ((Stream plz
babyBushi: ((wait I think it's back))
Sunny: ((Died. Gus was tying his tail to the teapot))
Rainbowcracker: ((that far back?
Rainbowcracker: ((Dang man say something sooner
Rainbowcracker: ((okay we all good?
Rosanna: ((think so
Prowl: ((Yep
babyBushi: ((yep))
Sunny: ((Keep in mind we're a few seconds behind you. and yep. :3))
Rainbowcracker: ((okay. went a bit further back anyway so
KnockOot: ((Those poor mice.
KnockOot: ((Get the freaking dog and ride him.
babyBushi: ((go into one of your fancy wall tunnels and go to the top in like thirty seconds))
Sunny: They should have gotten the birds and other mice to help
KnockOot: ((Oh yeah, the birds.
babyBushi: Why didn't the other mice help sooner?
babyBushi: \o/ *minicon friends to the rescue*
Rainbowcracker: ...plot reasons.
Rainbowcracker: Although by this point th' guy with th' shoe would already be gone.
Rosanna: *likes the cat*
Prowl: These movies rarely work logically.
KnockOot: ((Then she be like, "What about my foot? Â I'm not married anymore."
Rainbowcracker: ((Cinderella's face tho. the smuggest face
Prowl: ((Just having the other slipper should be enough evidence, I mean dang
Sunny: ((inorite?))
Toaster: ((shouldn't it go on the other foot))
Rainbowcracker: ((GIRL MAYBE YOU NEED SHOES WITH LACES
Rosanna: ((shhh. details
babyBushi: ((I think her legs were crossed))
Sunny: ((GDI CINDERELLA STOP LOSING YOUR SHOES))
Slendybear: ((Back in the day shoes didn't have left or right feet actually))
KnockOot: ((Boots
Toaster: ((she needs double-sided tape on her shoes))
Slendybear: ((That's a fairly recent development))
babyBushi: ((but yeah man give her laces))
babyBushi: ((greek-style sandals that lace all the way up to your knees))
KnockOot: ((Yes
babyBushi: *APPLAUDS*
Bevel: *claps*
Rainbowcracker: ((or just go barefoot. you're the queen who's going to argue
babyBushi: ((man she lived as a MAID she's not gonna run around barefoot))
Rainbowcracker: \o/ Alright! Short break before th' next one.
Toaster: ((also, as a side note, shouldn't it technically be the prince wearing high heels because of when a story like this would have taken place?))
Rainbowcracker: ((lemme jus reset the stream real quick- GO GET FOOD PUFF
Bevel: *nods*
babyBushi: ((cinderelly gets solid gold slippers))
Toaster: ((just saying))
babyBushi: ((OKAY))
Rainbowcracker: ((he would be yeah
Toaster: ((since high heels were originally designed to accentuate male calves haha))
babyBushi: ((based on the bustles I assumed this was like 1800s when the girls got heels))
Rainbro: ((this is a fashion choice that needs to return
Slendybear: (Well it says 'slipper', not 'heel')
Slendybear: (And iirc it's not even supposed to be glass)
Toaster: ((oh yeah I was talking about the actual movie, not the story))
Rainbro: ((okay my downtime entertainment is watching a LP of OCtodad so
KnockOot: ((Depends, those folk tales had so many variations.
Toaster: ((bring it))
KnockOot: ((In some she had gold slippers.
babyBushi: ((maybe fairy godmother is an edgy fashionista who wanted her girl to start a new fashion trend))
KnockOot: ((And she got the clothes from her dead mother.
Bevel: ((Cinderelle takes place in the 1860s
babyBushi: (("heels on princesses. check it."))
babyBushi: ((okay brb))
KnockOot: QWOP.
Rainbro: ((Cinderella didn't even have toes. the prince can ditch his heels
KnockOot: *laughs*
Rainbro: ((I wish i could turn it up more but then MArk would be too loud so
Rosanna: ((Know that feel
Rosanna: ((I should get food actually
Rosanna: ((woops
Rainbro: ((go get all the food
Rainbro: ((Everyone who needs food get it
Rosanna: ((cupcakes are not a substitute for a real dinner
KnockOot: ((Why so many soccer balls omg
KnockOot: ((We need Patters to play this
Rainbro: ((WE DO
Rainbro: ((it'd be amazing
KnockOot: ((Yeees <3
Rosanna: ((returns with pizzA
Prowl: *Prowl will just get a glass of energon for herself*
Rainbro: ((ALRIGHT erryone back?
Robustus: ((didn't leave lol
Toaster: ((I'm here))
Rainbro: ((puuuuuff
Rainbro: ((retuuuurn
babyBushi: ((back))
Rosanna: ((good
Rainbro: ((OKAY
Rainbro: ((ugh it's like 8turn off adblocker to support our site' and im like 8U))
babyBushi: *bounces on seat* what are we watching now?
Rosanna: *wiggles around a little to get herself cozy again*
Rainbro: ((this one loud enough?
Bevel: Cinderella Two!
Rainbro: There's a Cinderella three as well! 8D
babyBushi: That's a lot of Cinderellas.
Bevel: Are we going to watch all of them?
KnockOot: That was a fancy mouse coat.
Toaster: It's the greyface thing again.
KnockOot: *is going to scoot over to roost on TC, if there's room*
Rainbro: I think so, yeah. If we got time.
Toaster: *fully expects people to start screaming in terror*
Rosanna: *shh, Toaster*
KnockOot: ((*whispers* Â Could you turn up the sound again?
Rosanna: *stop fussing about that*
Rainbro: ((better?
KnockOot: ((Thanks!
Toaster: *what? it's fun to tease about*
Rainbro: ((I dont remember like ANY of this. except Anastasia's story
KnockOot: ((Saaame
Sunny: ((I do. And I think they changed some VA's.))
babyBushi: ((it's been like fifty years, they probably had to))
Rosanna: *shh*
Sunny: ((CINDERELLA YOUR VOICE. OH GOD.))
KnockOot: ((Yeeeah
Rosanna: *pet her instead f fussing*
Sunny: ((Oh god. It's Barbie's VA.))
Sunny: ((I swear it is.))
Toaster: *gladly gives helm rubs*
babyBushi: ((so THAT'S why I was like "she sounds weirdly like barbie"))
KnockOot: ((Well, she's had to cook for her step-family presumably
KnockOot: ((OH
KnockOot: ((Ha ha, you're right, it's totally Barbie.
Toaster: Did that weird vehicle have subspace? They managed to fit a lot of things into it.
Rainbro: ((..Cinderella + Life in the Dreamhouse crossover
Rosanna: *purr*
KnockOot: ((OMG YES
Toaster: ((I don't like the va... sounds too young))
Toaster: ((but what can I say, I'm 22 and sound 12 myself so there's that))
Rosanna: ((aha, I had a customer once whose natural voice was that of a 12 year old anime girl. I s2g
Rosanna: ((so sugary and high
Toaster: ((that me))
Sunny: The quality on her voice is iffy at times too.))
Prowl: ((it's not Barbie. Her name is Jennifer Hale.
Rosanna: ((she sounds familiar, nonetheless
Sunny: ((Yeah, I was looking, it's not but it sounds very similar.))
Prowl: ((http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Hale#Filmography She's done a lot
babyBushi: ((she has friends?? she was allowed outside the house?!))
Rosanna: ((ikr
KnockOot: ((Yeah, this is news to me.
Prowl: ((Probably to buy groceries and whatnot
Sunny: ((She had to go to the market for food, likely. So it's not a major leap))
Prowl: ((I mean one of those people was a baker.
Robustus: ((if step mom made her go shoppin then she made friends
Sunny: ((But she likely looked like a maid and all gross so no one looked twice))
babyBushi: *okay it's time for Drift to relocate. he's gonna scoot over to sit by TC this time*
Prowl: *nods to Drift*
babyBushi: Hi Prowl! :D
Sunny: OHMYGOD.
Rainbro: *grins at Drift* Hey, mech. Saw you takin' a tour of shoulders.
Sunny: IT'S MERRIWEATHER.
Prowl: Hello.
Sunny: FROM SLEEPING BEAUTY. THE SHORT MAID.))
Rainbro: ((omg
babyBushi: Yeah! Soundwave lifted me highest.
altwave: how is she getting the air to sob?))
Rainbro: ((because with windows that size, heat escapes easy
Rainbro: ((and large drapes help hold in heat
Rainbro: ((wait til summer girl then you can open the drapes
KnockOot: ((IIRC the victorians had a horror of light.
Rainbro: ((then again she'd know that so
Prowl: ((Maybe it's summer, so she's just like what even
Rainbro: You wanna sit in my lap, Drift?
babyBushi: Okay!
babyBushi: *scoot scoot scoot*
KnockOot: ((this song, ugh
Rainbro: 8D
babyBushi: ((man why y'all hating on the prunes))
Rosanna: ((bc ew
Rainbro: ((prunes are good tho. maybe sting them makes them taste bad?
babyBushi: ((prunes are like a squishy version of one of the best fruits on the planet))
Rainbro: (they're just dried plums. plums are good
Rosanna: ((no like prunes.
babyBushi: ((just toss some sugar on them))
altwave: ((prunes are iffy
Rainbro: ((now dried figs are weird.
Rainbro: ((like they taste good? and not good?
Prowl: ((Cinderella, destroying the aristocracy in one fell swoop
altwave: ((yep
Rainbro: ((Prudence is Starscream. Cinderella is Shockwave
babyBushi: ((you're assuming Shockwave has fun))
Rainbro: ((omg
Robustus: ((omg lol
Prowl: ((gosh i've forgotten like all of this
Rosanna: ((it all seems vaguely familiar as I watch it but like
Rosanna: (( mostly ???
Prowl: ((I know the third one better
Rainbro: ((as i said, i only remember Anastasia's plot becuase it's sad/cute
Prowl: ((Anastasia <3
Rainbro: ((wait i might remember this one? vaguely?
Sunny: ((I've seen this and I remember it vaguely.))
Prowl: ((I think i remember this one too
Sunny: ((The mice's speech pattern reminds me of... Shrapnel? That one insecticon.))
Rainbro: ((Ye, Shranel is the one that repeats things
altwave: the pom pom?))
altwave: did I hear that right?))
Rainbro: ((you know, i like that this shows a princess actually doing a job
babyBushi: ((the cat's name is pompom))
Rainbro: ((like it's clear she's not just pretty, she's got sh*t she's gotta do
Prowl: ((princesses doing jobs is great
altwave: ((yup
KnockOot: ((Very true!
Rainbro: *o no the mouse is trying to help and things keep going wrong*
KnockOot: *pets TC's leg*
babyBushi: Why don't the people like the mice people? :(
KnockOot: They spread disease.
Bevel: Do not.
KnockOot: Not to us.
KnockOot: But to humans they do. Â I studied it a few years ago.
babyBushi: *is disregarding KO's contribution because he's proven to be slightly insane*
Rainbro: !!
Rainbro: Ow.
babyBushi: (("meet me in the stable in ten minutes" she says to the tiny mouse, gurl why didn't you pick him up and take him yourself.))
KnockOot: ((I kno, right
Rainbro: ((illusion of independance?
altwave: yup))
Rosanna: *feels your plight mouse*
babyBushi: *pokes TC* why don't the people like the mice people?
KnockOot: ((What, is she his fairy godmother too?
Prowl: ((She's everyone's fairy godmother
Rainbro: I dunno. They seem t' just not like anythin' tiny.
KnockOot: ((They did a good job with the godmother's voice, though
Rainbro: Which is rude, 'cos small mechs are cool too.
Rainbro: 8(
babyBushi: Yeah! Small mechs are the best.
Rainbro: ((cat math
KnockOot: ((Wow, I don't remember this at ALL.
babyBushi: Big mechs are for carrying around little mechs.
Rosanna: *whine*
Rainbro: ((Rob Paulsen ahoy
Prowl: ((I think I had a CD with all these songs from this movie.
Rainbro: Yup. 'Cos little mechs are faster, an' can get places big mechs can't.
KnockOot: ((Poor cat
KnockOot: ((All they want to do is their job and eat mice.
KnockOot: ((Oooo, I like her dress.
Prowl: ((Gus seems a little in love with Cinderella
Prowl: ((Er, whichever mouse that is
Prowl: ((*mixes them all up
Robustus: (its Jack
KnockOot: ((Jacques or Jaqu or something
Prowl: ((Probably Jacques considering this is like fake France/Germany
Rainbro: ((omg nice cover
Rainbro: ((the thing's face tho 'I Swear, I do this thing, get stuff thrown at me-!'
Rainbro: ...I think th' Greyface lady is a bit of a jerk too.
KnockOot: . . .
KnockOot: Why would elephants be afraid of mice?
Sunny: I know they're afraid of bees.
Rainbro: Aren't most organics afraid of bees?
KnockOot: Not turtles.
Rainbro: ...turtles aren't organic.
Rainbro: They're rocks. With legs.
KnockOot: *snickers*
Bevel: No. Turtles are ninjas. I saw a commercial that said so.
Rainbro: ((was she watching that happen??? or did she just look off?
Rainbro: ((THE CUTE ONE
KnockOot: ((Novelty jewelry boxes of them, nice.
Prowl: ((FINALLY
Robustus: (their mom is a bit too focused on wealth
Rainbro: ((Is Lucifer a Cheshire cat she managed to catch?
KnockOot: ((I approve of that idea.
Rainbro: ((well you know, the money left by Cunderella's father won't last forever
Toaster: ((I'm guessing the mother came from a lower class and married higher))
Prowl: ((That was a thing in the Drew Barrymore version
KnockOot: ((Probably that's why they had Cinderella instead of proper servants.
Rainbro: ((That's a big house and they only had one scullery maid. yeah, probably the money is running out
Rainbro: ((and if she can get the daughters married off to someone rich at least that is taken care of
Robustus: and ding
Robustus: there it is
KnockOot: ((Yep
KnockOot: ((Was that horse grazing on cobblestones
KnockOot: She's like, hot like yooou.
Rainbro: ((omg
Rainbro: ((Cinderella ships it
Robustus: uhh huh
KnockOot: ((She so does
Sunny: ((Baker boy is cute too.))
Rainbro: ((all you need to get a girl is some nice buns
KnockOot: ((omg
Prowl: ((simple right
Sunny: omfg
KnockOot: ((THERE'S THAT HORSE AGAIN
Robustus: ((ouch
Rainbro: ((o no i got distracted what happened
Robustus: ((how embarrassing
Sunny: Lucifer happened
KnockOot: ((The horse kicked her into a mess
Rainbro: ((;;
Prowl: (( :(
babyBushi: (("it's alwyas been easy for you" says the girl who abused her for like twenty years holy shiit girl))
Robustus: ((god I so identify with step sis here
KnockOot: ((Hahahah I knooow
Sunny: OHRIGHT. LUCIFER AND POMPOM.))
Robustus: ((and in love
KnockOot: ((They will have terror kittens together.
Robustus: (((uhh huh
Robustus: (oh my
Rainbro: ((they're horrible people but it's still cute
Robustus: ((Jack you blackmailer
KnockOot: ((Yeah, a cat named Lucifer is going to stick to his deal.
Slendybear: [[He likes that mouse.]]
babyBushi: ((okay the jazzy number here is completely inappropriate))
babyBushi: ((they should have Anastasia's horrible singing))
Prowl: ((ahaha it's hilarious
KnockOot: ((THE DREADS
Prowl: ((Anastasia looks like Ariel. I love it
Rainbro: ((omg
Slendybear: ((anastasia... why are you a tiny toon))
KnockOot: ((Anastasia
Prowl: ((because that smile
Rainbro: ((apparently the version of cinderella that the disney version is based on
Rainbro: ((with the pumpkin and ***
Rainbro: ((the two stepsisters get lords
Robustus: ((soooo sappy
KnockOot: ((Whaaat
KnockOot: ((They don't get their eyes pecked out?
Rainbro: ((nope. that's the Brother's Grimm version
Rainbro: ((which the set Into the Woods is based on
KnockOot: ((Well, the grimms only collected them.
babyBushi: ((Brother's Grimm, aka the version that turned all the evil moms into evil stepmoms))
KnockOot: ((Hahaha, yeah
KnockOot: ((Darn evil moms.
babyBushi: ((naw man the Grimms HELLA modified all the stories they collected.))
Robustus: ((Bro. Grimm gotta love it
Sunny: Ah, actually, there were evil step moms before them.))
KnockOot: ((Russian folktales had a lot of evil stepmoms.
Rainbro: ((i wish my version was a bit more accurate. it doesn't include where sleeping beauty got knocked up
Sunny: ((Don't ask me to name names cause I forget.))
Rainbro: ((oh ow
Rainbro: (9like that's really cliche but her self esteem is so low it works
Robustus: (poor thing
KnockOot: Butt.
Sunny: WHY CRY AT FOUNTAINS.))
Sunny: ((I would have smashed my knee into that thing. THen I'd REALLY be sobbing.))
Robustus: (Omg.. a boquet of fish
KnockOot: ((Hahaha I like it
Toaster: ((I mean anastasia is a big old bully but a lot of kids from troubled homes act out like that. Not saying it excuses what she did, but I'm glad they didn't show her as irredeamable in here))
Toaster: ((I do like that about this story))
KnockOot: ((Kids take cues from their mom and their mom was horrible to Cinderella, so yeah.
Rainbro: ((Anastasia is a bad person, but she's also a lonely person
Rainbro: ((so
Rosanna: Aww
Rainbro: ((go to 'Broken Hearted Girl Fountain'; dude
KnockOot: ((Man, what did they expect. Â Pom Pom never agreed not to eat them.
Rainbro: ((it's where everyne starts crying
KnockOot: ((lol
babyBushi: ((and in contrast we have the cats, where a horrible person DIDN'T learn to not be horrible))
Rainbro: (but ask his name this time
Slendybear: ((so uh pompom has a VA))
Prowl: ((His name is The Baker
Sunny: I love how 90% of their conversations are like, silent.
Prowl: ((CRO
KnockOot: ((Is it Frank Welker.
Slendybear: ((it's frank welker.))
Prowl: ((OMFG
babyBushi: ((hell yes))
KnockOot: ((Perfect.
Toaster: ((gdi megatron))
Prowl: ((MEGATRON NO
Robustus: (sometimes its not what you say but what you don't say
Sunny: Cinderella's getting some warm and tinglies.))
Robustus: (well it worked out in the end
KnockOot: ((They didn't make the stepmother cold enough in this, though. Â Like in the original she was cool and collected most of the time.
babyBushi: ((maybe she's permapissed because of the last movie))
Prowl: ((*waits patiently for III
KnockOot: ((True dat
Rainbro: ((pft 'What's this?' 'It's a book!' 'B*tch i can tell it's a book'
Rainbro: ((Fairy Godmother catching her some Z's
Slendybear: ((she has to have it open to the middle to realize that they're all in it?))
babyBushi: (("I helped MAKE this stupid book I don't have to read it"))
Rainbro: (9that is this music
Rainbro: ((wtf man
babyBushi: ((maybe the mice left the first half of the book blank))
Prowl: ((I totally had a CD with these songs on it
babyBushi: ((it's so 90's Radio Disney))
Rainbro: ((ALRIGHT! Mun, how're you holding up?
Rainbro: ((since it is 1:30 and there's one movie left
Prowl: ((I'm good
Robustus: omg Corey Burton lol
Prowl: ((http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney%27s_Princess_Favorites
Robustus: and Frank of course as the animals
Rosanna: ((naturally
Prowl: ((Frank fell in love with himself
Rainbro: ((short 5min break
Sunny: Holy cripes.
Sunny: The third movie is a cluserfuck.
Robustus: ((Mark is good but I like Jack better
Prowl: ((I like the third one. It's my favorite
Robustus: (Though Mark and JAck with Bob is even better
Rainbro: ((this is the only LP I've ever watched and it made me laugh really hard so
Rainbro: ((GO PEE AND GET FOOD
Rosanna: *streeetches*
Prowl: *listening to this is a very confusing experience*
Rosanna: *giggles*
babyBushi: *is watching in jaw-dropped fascination*
Rainbro: ((okay we ready?
Bevel: *giggling*
Prowl: ((I'm ready
KnockOot: ((yep!
altwave: ((yep
Rosanna: ((I need a soda
Rosanna: ((two seconds
Rainbro: ((go get a soda nerd i'll refresh the stream
Rosanna: ((*returns with 2 litre*
Sunny: is it supposed to be a black screen
babyBushi: ((do you think you have enough))
Rainbro: ((no
babyBushi: ((black screen here too))
SunnyBuns: Uh.
Rainbro: ((tbh this will be at least half gone by the time we finish
Rainbro: ((wtf
Rainbro: ((WHY AM I RAINBRO
SunnyBuns: Stream broked.
SunnyBuns: wait is the video paused or is my wifi terrible))
SunnyBuns: Livestream noooooo
SunnyBuns: ...
babyBushi: ((I paused and played to try to restart it and now it's doing that "spinning forever as it attempts to load" thing.))
Rosanna: ((am I back to rosanna now
babyBushi: ((methinks it's LS))
SunnyBuns: THERE ARE TWO OF ME? O_O
Prowl: ((*squints at stream
KnockOot: ((Black screen for me too
babyBushi: ((also the chat is hella laggy))
Robustus: (its livestream I think
bruh: IS THIS WORKING
bruh: ((FINALLY GODDAMN
Prowl: ((Nothing is working atm
SunnyBuns: Considering the chat is freaking out, it's likely the site itself.
Rosanna: ((UH
Slendybear: ((no))
bruh: ((i haven't been able to insert any kind of name since ireset the chat so this is SORT OF working
bruh: ((alright. Fvck if I know what's going on
KnockOot: ((Not working for me
Shatterscreen: ((livesream why
Rosanna: ((maybe give it a few minutes?
bruh: ((Yeah probably
babyBushi: ((*attempts refreshing*))
bruh: ((8U LS objects to Cinderella
Shatterscreen: ((should we do a chat in another thing entirely? This lag is horrible
babyBushi: ((It doesn't appear I've missed much
babyBushi: ((Hi
Robustus: ((the blue screen of death is now black. fear it
KnockOot: ((Patters, we've found a new game you have to play
KnockOot: ((Chat is laggy, wooo
altwave: huh))
SunnyBuns: Test....
Shatterscreen: ((:OO What game?
SunnyBuns: Damn.
SunnyBuns: Lag kills yo. Lag kills. Don't do lag.
babyBushi: ((who the fvck just stole my name in purple))
bruh: ((Nothing I can do if it's LS itself
bruh: ((Chat is laggy, screen is black
Wraith Jones changed their nickname to Wraith Jones.
babyBushi: ((that is not me saying it doesn't appear I missed much, who the heck))
Rosanna: ((what is going on
bruh: ((SOMEHOW
bruh: ((THE NAMES KEEP SWAPPING AROUND
Wraith Jones: ((I did not mean to, something weird happened
bruh: ((I FIND THIS MODERATELY HILARIOUS
KnockOot: ((I think it's called OctoDad!
babyBushi: ((am. am I the only one who just saw somebody else using my name while I have it. or did everyone. because that was weird.))
Rosanna: ((I was Rainbro briefly so
Rosanna: ((I believe u
altwave: well))
Shatterscreen: ((I saw it- it's confusing as heck
SunnyBuns: Nope. Happened to me as well.
Wraith Jones: ((That was me, I didn't do it on purpose, the chat did it
bruh: ((omg. Bay got my name, someone got Sunnys, and Wraith got Drift's
Shatterscreen: ((!! I have octodad!
bruh: ((This is too good omg
altwave: that was interesting))
bruh: ((the lag is getting slightly shorter i think
KnockOot: ((!!!
bruh: ((okay
babyBushi: ((at least you can tell me by my crusty mustard color))
Slendybear: do i still have mine?
Wraith Jones: ((Has the stream just gone mad
Shatterscreen: ((Come on ls you can do it
altwave: yup))
bruh: ((come on LS sort your *** out
babyBushi: ((I don't know. Are you Slendybear?))
Slendybear: i am
Rosanna: ((*caresses the chat for when it updates again*
babyBushi: ((then yes. You still have yours.))
SunnyBuns: Guh. Livestream whyyyy
Loki Laufeyson: ((I heard there was chaos?
Rosanna: ((I think the name swaps happened to people who refreshed the page? Like. woops
bruh: ((Mun is there something about Cinderella 3 we shouldn't see?
babyBushi: ((ur late loki))
bruh: (ancient curse perhaps?
KnockOot: ((*cheers on LS* Â *work, work*
Slendybear: ((chat works, stream don't))
Loki Laufeyson: ((I've been here the whole time, lurking in the shadows
Slendybear: ((chat also lagged as eff)
Loki Laufeyson: ((Not really
bruh: ((it also says the only person in here is altwave
bruh: ((c'mooon
Wraith Jones: ((Well that is obviously not ture
Wraith Jones: *true
Rosanna: ((what
altwave: what))
altwave: suddenly loud ads))
Rosanna: ((I have 11 people logged in the chat & 18 viewers
altwave: faligdadfhg))
Prowl: ((Livestream killed my browser
bruh: ((You guys want to wait to watch Cinderella 3 until next week?
Rosanna: ((PETS PROWL
altwave: LS no!))
bruh: ((since LS is being impossible and we don't know when it'll work
bruh: ((i wouldn't doubt it
SunnyBunny: Welp.
KnockOot: ((I have 19 viewers
babyBushi: ((it just dropped to 16 for me))
Loki Laufeyson: ((16 here
bruh: ((this is so weeeeird
Rosanna: (*nod*
Prowl: ((Might be for the best.
bruh: ((Wait
bruh: ((OMG ITS WORKING
Rosanna: ((is it?
bruh: ((Well, there's no lag at least
bruh: ((and then it goes back to lagging gawd
Prowl: ((Is it?
bruh: ((for a second it did
Prowl: ((I'll trust you but it's just not working on my end like at all
bruh: ((ALRIGHT. CINDERELLA 3 IS GOING TO BE SHOWN NEXT FRIDAY becuase LS is an ***
Rosanna: ((*sits*
babyBushi: ((*throws popcorn at the screen*))
Prowl: ((boo LS :(
Rosanna: ((KAY
bruh: ((THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO CAME
KnockOot: ((THANKS FOR THE STREAM
babyBushi: ((THANK YOU FOR THE TWO MOVIES WE GOT THROUGH))
Rosanna: (( <3
Wraith Jones: ((Thanks for hosting :) ))
Wraith Jones: ((I'm sorry I was very late and you had so much trouble and that name nonsense
