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please direct all business enquiries for a certain deceased bat aaccount to this address. while the deletion had to happen, there are a few things I would have felt bad about not keeping available - mainly stuff that was formerly under a read more where I'm not sure if tumblr will eventually fuck with it. I also had a lot of loose ends on that account, mainly a million asks i felt bad about not answering, and wish to maybe at some point un-loose-end them. which is what this account is for, so i can move on but also not have too many regrets
THE DEFINITIVE VALENTINO ROSSI HAIR TIMELINE (1996-present)
- as composed collaboratively with fellow valentino rossi scholars on the basis of many (many) hours of determined and hair-pulling (haha) research.
(some conjecture required for the early years but hopefully more or less accurate)
do you have any more thoughts on sete&vale rivalry? ps. love your blog!
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I ALWAYS have more thoughts about the sete/valentino rivalry and if there is one person on this website who wants to read them then let’s fucking go. so my issue is that when I looked at this ask the first time I thought I could maybe give like. a few thoughts. just some casual fun takes. the problem is I’ve been doing that anyway in my other posts, but there’s really only so much point in doing that if I’m not providing any context on events that are by this point two decades old. so. time for some actual context
this isn’t going to be exhaustive by any stretch of the imagination. what I’m covering here is two/three incredibly interesting years of motogp that deserve to be experienced and studied in their entirety, but alas I am but one poster on one microblogging website. so this is very much going to be the whistle-stop tour of explaining feuds, before a little bit of analysis to cap things off. (would like to state for the record that I called it ‘whistle-stop’ when this post was a lot shorter than it is now, but I’m leaving this paragraph in because it’ll get funnier the longer you scroll. it’s still not exhaustive but it’s a lot more exhaustive than I thought it’d be when I wrote those sentences)
this rivalry began in an odd, uncertain period of valentino’s career, at a time when valentino had essentially won motogp. he had just concluded his 2002 season and sealed his second premier class title in the process, with his results that year consisting of eleven wins, four second places and a single retirement. it was more or less as good as it gets, crushingly dominant, the undisputed lord and master of all he surveyed etc etc etc. and yet it was also a time where he was ill at ease with his role within the sport and was struggling with motivation, so much so that he increasingly found himself no longer taking joy in his racing. he ended up being so disillusioned with the existing state of affairs that he decided to make a radical move to redefine himself, to control his own destiny, to take the step from a great to a legend
which is all very abstract, in a way, removed from the realities of racing or indeed competition. this was a time in which no other rider could come close to matching valentino as a competitor and everyone basically knew as much. it adds an odd flavour to the challenges an athlete faces, where the success is such that it warps everyone’s understanding of what success even looks like (not helped by how the last dominant athlete in the sport, mick doohan, also had a silly good track record in his prime). you could say, if you want, that 2002 is all about sowing, all about vale having so much success that it’s started to feel a bit too easy, where he was just coasting on a wave of his own brilliance. 2003? well, now we’ve gotten to the reaping stage, where he’s suffering under the expectations he himself has created, and all this winning is maybe already getting kind of boring
the first task in sports is not to be better than everyone else - it is to win. being better helps, but it has never been strictly necessary. there was no serious question at any point during his rivalry with gibernau who the better rider was between the pair of them. perhaps even more importantly, there was no question who the stronger between the two of them should be. over the years, valentino would have to deal with more than his fair share of young talent who proved they could match him in ability, the riders who had already long been marked for greatness and had the potential to be valentino’s successors to the throne. gibernau was not that man - he was older, he was less accomplished, he was a revelation rather than anointed. it’s one thing to be challenged by an alien, quite the other to be beaten by a bog standard human. especially if the bar for what constitutes being 'beaten’ is set pretty low - never mind full seasons, should you even be losing individual races to this new challenger?
the rivalry between valentino and sete is not one of two equals, neither in ability nor in how their success was measured. but it became one that spawned a close title fight, courtesy of valentino unexpectedly wrestling the yamaha into title contention against his former employers at the first time of asking. valentino’s main pressures in those years did not come because of any other rider, including sete - they stemmed from external forces such as honda or the press, from his internal struggles, and eventually were self-imposed in his decision to take a step into the unknown and join yamaha. the shape that this rivalry took reflected the disparity between the pair of them at every stage. valentino’s biggest enemy during those years only ever could have been himself - so could sete exert himself upon this narrative at all? was he only relevant as long as valentino let him be? has he been so conclusively beaten that he has allowed valentino to erase him from his story entirely?
the first task in sports isn’t to be better than everyone else… but it usually isn’t quite this low down on the order of priorities. when 'being better than everyone else’ is taken as read, then where does the narrative tension come from? usually, this is the kind of issue that commercial stakeholders and broadcasters and journalists and fans care about - not the dominant athlete of the time. but valentino is a storyteller and he does care. he can’t handle stagnation. he can’t handle being bored. he needs something to fight for and someone to fight and he needs all of it to happen on his own terms. the rivalry between valentino and sete becomes about everything except who the better rider is - and they happen to be perfectly suited characters for a rivalry such as this. for something that feels a little removed from the typical pressures of competition, of simply doing all you can to win, to beat the other guy, in whatever way you can, to rack up one victory after the other… but what we’re primarily talking about here isn’t numbers, it’s theatre. it’s show. and it’s about two men who are particularly in tune with the artifice of it all, who are particularly concerned with how the world perceives them. valentino always knows where the camera is, always knows to play to it - and sete knows where it is too, which is what valentino uses to unsettle him to the point of despair
so, that’s the set-up. let’s bring in the context. what I’ll cover here is mostly limited to what transpires during the years in which the rivalry is at its most prominent, aka 2003-05-ish, and mostly stays away from its legacy or repercussions. the first bit covers sete’s emergence as valentino’s rival, then how he becomes honda’s best hope of stopping valentino, then the controversy that ruined their relationship, and finally how sete falls apart. after that, I’ll give some of my thoughts about the rivalry and how it functions as a narrative. but again, there’s a lot that’s being left out here - like the bits of my notes that are just a tally of every misfortune that befalls sete gibernau post-qatar 2004. remember, kids: curses are a nasty nasty business and should be wielded with care
becoming the challenger
sete’s rise to becoming a legitimate title contender was in some ways as unlikely as the manner of his downfall. born in december of 1972, so six-and-a-bit years older than valentino, his grandfather was a titan in the motorcycling industry and he grew up both affluent and surrounded by bikes. he’s unusually well-educated for a rider, proficient in languages even by paddock standards - and, like valentino, a bit of an aberration from the mould of the stereotypical nineties bike racer. the reputation he had was for being a bit too vain, a bit too metropolitan, too self-absorbed to be suited to the rough-and-tumble of elite motorcycle racing
by the time he signed with the gresini honda team in 2003, his track record was very far from that of a title contender. after various wildcards in the mid-nineties, he’d finally managed to get a permanent seat first in 250cc and then in 500cc. eventually racing for repsol honda and taking doohan’s bike when he was injured badly enough to force his retirement, sete’s initial promise remained largely unfulfilled and he was dropped by honda after the 2000 season. he joined suzuki, who were struggling immensely in the aftermath of their title courtesy of kenny roberts jr. sete did get his first premier class win in valencia in 2001 in mixed conditions - a rare race that year valentino did not win after making a conservative tyre choice at a track he’s in any case always been dreadful at. in 2002, suzuki was still struggling, though the wet conditions in estoril gave sete a chance for an early duel with valentino until he crashed. valentino said afterwards he felt sorry for sete (in a nice way not a condescending way)
^sete’s first ever win came in valencia far far ahead of valentino in a lowly eleventh place. incidentally, it was there that a year prior vale’s late charge to an increasingly plausible rookie 500cc title came unstuck. it’s fair to say it’s not exactly his favourite circuit on the calendar, which some might call a sign of good taste
and then, the move to gresini honda in 2003 - to which he also brought his sponsor telefonica, who became the team’s title sponsor for the next few years. as I’m sure fans of the current era are able to appreciate, while it might have been a step from a factory to a satellite squad it was a very obvious competitive upgrade. he may not have had the newest spec of honda, unlike his teammate, but he was still satisfied with his machinery and his new team
sete and valentino had already had a good relationship at this point, a friendship that extended beyond paddock walls. they’d get drunk together after races, party together on ibiza over the summer holidays - and of course there’s the story of sete giving valentino advice upon his transition to 500cc. previously, valentino’s most notable rivals had come from other factories, whether kenny roberts jr on the suzuki or max biaggi on the yamaha. but honda had poached biaggi for the 2003 season and - after a brief blip in 2000 -were establishing themselves once again as the overwhelmingly dominant force of the sport, boasting an embarrassment of riches both in the engineering department and in their formidable host of riders. they were the undisputed kings of motogp and were comfortable in knowing that their bikes were so good that the riders were far from essential, all easy enough to replace if they had to be. all of which meant valentino knew going into that year that his most significant challenges were likely to come from within his own house, though he would hardly have expected sete to lead the charge
but then, a tragedy in the very first race of 2003 changed things. in suzuka, gresini honda rider daijiro kato crashed and hit one of the walls, later succumbing to his injuries. kato had been a 250cc champion and was widely tipped as a future premier class champion, japan’s best hope for a first in that category. even though gibernau and kato had only been teammates for a short time, sete had immediately felt welcomed within the team and had worked together closely with kato over winter testing, including helping him out in the wet conditions in which kato had long struggled
the brutality of racing is such that two weeks later, the grid were to line up again at welkom. and it was there that gibernau secured an unlikely, fantastical win from pole position holding off valentino along the way. he dedicated his victory to his fallen teammate - who he said had been with him when he was riding. he wore kato’s #74 on his leathers for the rest of his career. whether rightly or wrongly, paddock consensus was that the events had transformed gibernau, had made him into someone who took his racing more seriously, had made him finally commit all his mind and body and soul to riding, to fighting, to winning
^pointing up to the sky at welkom 2003. the number 74 is prominently placed on his upper chest to the right
it also had another effect. kato’s death sparked controversy due to the layout of the suzuka track, the decision of the officials not to halt the race, and the rescue workers who had failed to follow proper medical procedure in moving him. both sete and valentino reportedly said they would not race there again, and it did end up being the last year grand prix motorcycle racing came to that track. it also prompted conversations about what could be done to better protect riders - and sete was one of the main figures behind the idea that riders themselves should have more of a say in safety standards. this led to the establishment of the safety commission, which back then included fewer riders but both valentino and especially sete involved themselves in
^sete at a safety commission meeting
did the tragedy really transform sete’s fortunes as a racer? perhaps, though the switch to honda and a team he grew so fond of surely would have helped in any case. still, the contrast in his results and how he went about achieving them is stark; we’ll never know for certain, but it’s understandable why it’s such a popular interpretation. another factor, too - despite some initial resistance, sete ended up inheriting kato’s factory-spec machinery and was now riding the same bike as the other primary contenders of that season. the first half of his 2003 quickly cemented his new status within the factory, winning again in le mans, and then in assen. by the time they reached the halfway point of the season after donington park, sete was in second place in the standings, just clear of biaggi and only 34 points behind valentino
which is where we get back to valentino and ask ourselves what the hell that man thought he was playing at. did he really believe that it was all right to sit on a mere 34-point lead halfway through the season? was valentino, at the tender age of twenty four, already washed? was he finished? was this the beginning of the end? had he already peaked? did he just not have it in him any more?
obviously the answer to all of those things is 'no’ and also 'what?’ - but these were questions that many, most notably in the italian press, were in all seriousness asking anyone who would listen. now, valentino had theoretically just won in donington, except en route he had overtaken under a yellow flag and was controversially stripped of that victory after the fact. which meant that - you may want to hold onto something here - valentino had gone for a whole three races without winning. that’s right. three races. granted, he’d already secured three victories that season and had been on the podium every single race, but the pressure was beginning to mount on valentino to deliver. it wasn’t just the three race losing streak, but also the emergence of sete as a serious rival and how he had gotten the better of valentino - first at welkom by holding him off, then at le mans by beating him on the very last lap. valentino had also separately fucked up in a duel against capirossi for the victory in catalunya (funnily enough not one of the valentino duels there everyone remembers), eventually making a big enough mistake he had to spend the rest of the race recovering to second. honda had expectations, the italian press had standards, and the sheer dominance of his 2002 campaign meant that even the slightest dips in form translated into criticism of valentino and speculation on the state of his mettle or lack thereof. and things were about to get even worse
last race before the summer break and they’re headed to the sachsenring - and here we were provided with a classic valentino performance right until the very moment where it wasn’t. when sete caught up with him, valentino let him go ahead to study him from behind and crack him at the very end. he made his move on the penultimate corner of the race and successfully got ahead - but made a mistake in picking a very tight line into the final corner and lost too much speed, allowing sete to beat him to the line by a mere 0.06s. the general perception was that this had been a winnable race, and that it had been lost, more than anything else, out of arrogance. he could have attacked earlier - and if he didn’t, then at the very least he should have been smarter about the final corner. he had allowed sete to beat him in a straight fight for the third time that year, who was now on four wins that season to valentino’s three. all this meant that valentino’s winless streak had been extended to four. that’s right. you heard me. valentino rossi, the man they call the goat, had the audacity to go a whole. four. races. without. winning. the italian press had a field day and were calling for blood, and who could blame them?
^sete gibernau posing for a photo with a washed-up loser
luckily, valentino had the summer break to go off and clear his head and think about what he’d done. it was a good chance to get away from the constant scrutiny and criticism that had come during a year in which he’d already been feeling discontent with honda from the very beginning. the perception was that valentino had had it too easy and was resting on his laurels, no longer taking racing seriously enough, coasting on past successes that he was finding it hard to replicate - never mind his 29-point lead in the championship standings. so valentino ends up doing what is sensible in that situation. has a hot girl crisis. goes to ibiza. gets his hair dyed red. rocks up at the paddock for brno with his cool new hair as a bit of a throwback - he’s still that guy who knows to have fun, he won’t let any of this get to him, he’s not going to take any of this too seriously
here’s a more in-depth post on brno 2003 including, of course, his celebrations. to summarise - he won a tight thriller of a race and this time beat sete to the line, just about. then he celebrated by having a bunch of his fans dress up as convicts and donning his own cap and ball and chain - a 'prisoner of his own success’, if you will. another step was taken that weekend on the road that would eventually lead him to abandoning honda and signing with yamaha. and here he is in his autobiography talking about his disillusionment with honda. he’s not the first athlete to feel unhappy within his team, not the first dominant sportsperson to struggle to find motivation. still, when you consider how long his career ended up lasting, there’s something remarkable to how quickly it threatened to turn joyless to him. if he were one of those athletes who just needed to win to be happy, he would have been fine within honda
but that’s what valentino’s all about, isn’t it. within honda, under the ferocious glare of the italian press, he felt trapped. he felt imprisoned. he felt burdened by the expectations that his own victories had placed on his shoulders. it isn’t enough for him simply to win. not if the winning isn’t happening on his own terms. not if it’s just another way in which honda can show off how superior their bike is. just another means for the italian press to ramp up pressure on him in the future. if valentino doesn’t win, then well, it’ll be gibernau. it’ll be biaggi. who cares? valentino isn’t essential to honda’s success - the bike is. and vale decided he could no longer accept that. he returned to his roots in brno with the haircut and the celebrations and the candlelight meetings with yamaha that demonstrated his determination to forge his own path. winning is a part of him; when he wins he uses it to express himself, to define both who he is and who he is not - which is where, of course, the rivals enter the picture. valentino delineates his self against the other as much as anyone does, expressing his identity both as a racer and as a person by drawing the line between himself and his enemy and making a spectacle of what separates them. you can only win when you beat someone else, and valentino has always understood that the vanquished is very nearly as big a part of the show as the vanquisher
but here, the relationship between valentino and sete was at the very least outwardly still warm. they were both as gracious in defeat as they were in victory - helped along by the awareness that whatever the frothing italian press might pretend, valentino was unlikely to lose that year’s title. still, were tensions beginning to creep in, given how valentino retrospectively speaks in his autobiography about how both biaggi and gibernau complained he had superior machinery? how about when rumours began to fly about valentino’s impending move to yamaha and sete supposedly said valentino won’t have so much to laugh about the next year? or the glee valentino read on sete’s face at the thought of valentino’s departure from honda? another point, on the ibiza trips - it’s unclear when and how many times they happened, but one source suggests they had stopped in 2003. on the other hand, the brno 2003 race commentary makes multiple references to how they’d been partying together on ibiza during the summer break (which you’d have to say is pretty remarkable in itself after a race like sachsenring), and I’m inclined to trust the race commentary on this one. so maybe it’s 2004 the trips tail off… at what point then did the relationship between the two of them begin to transform from friends to true rivals, however genial to begin with? how wary had valentino already grown of sete by the end of 2003?
^age old tradition. sete buddy that kid is going to ruin you
in any case, the remainder of valentino’s season was close to flawless, winning five of the six remaining races. in sepang, having already decided he was going to sign with yamaha come what may, he sealed the title with a dominant win over sete - and brought back the convict celebrations, except this time he had a big novelty key to open the big novelty lock, presumably to signify how he could finally escape. which is charmingly on the nose, yes, but there’s something enjoyable about an athlete who is so very committed to making the subtext text. how better to conclude his time with honda, who he had grown so very disillusioned with? tell them how you really feel and all that
^after vale has sealed the title at sepang. sete gives him a nice little kiss before assaulting him with champagne on the podium
or - not quite to a conclusion, not yet. after all, there were still two more races to go in 2003. in phillip island, he secured one of the more spectacular victories of his career when he once again fell foul of the 'could you please stop overtaking under yellow flags’ thing - but this time, was informed of the situation and his ten second time penalty during rather than after the race. furious at the penalty, he flew off, setting a blistering pace that not only gave him the requisite ten second margin over his closest challenger capirossi, but eventually meant he crossed the line fifteen seconds ahead of his countryman. he had a point to prove that day, and proved it. he might have been on the best bike, yes - but he was laughably better than anyone else riding it, and the world still hadn’t seen yet all that he was capable of
then came the last race of the season and the announcement honda and valentino would be holding a press conference together afterwards, widely expected to be announcing a split that for much of the year the paddock refused to believe might actually happen. one more ride on the honda that valentino must say farewell to and will dearly miss - that unfortunately took place at valencia, an ugly bore of a track that valentino has always been awful at, the only one on the calendar he had not yet conquered. but he needed to say goodbye to his beloved bike (decked in an austin powers-themed special livery) in style, and he went on to win the race before telling the world that him and honda were parting ways. time to go to yamaha and prove the haters and losers wrong - including one sete gibernau
^honda or yamaha, friendship can survive anything <3 quite like valentino’s unorthodox spraying technique in the photo on the right - sete was admirably determined to drench vale at welkom
honda’s next champion?
the thing about 2004, right, is that the dominant rider in motogp had very nicely taken himself out of the picture for at least a year to try and turn that useless pile of junk into title-contending machinery. maybe rossi would start turning things around in the second half of the year and snatch an occasional win. maybe he’d put together a title charge in 2005, though that was by no means guaranteed - it was entirely plausible that his failure would be as complete as it would be spectacular. what this meant for everyone else was that they’d basically been given a freebie. a clear run at the title, as long as they could beat all the other non-rossi challengers. for a number of blokes at honda, this was the big year. biaggi, gibernau, anyone else who was feeling brave - this was the time. and honda, right, were going all in on this. rossi had the audacity, the nerve, the sheer disrespect to turn his back on them and imagine he could win without them. every rider dreamt of being decked in their colours, and valentino had walked away. they were going to throw all the considerable money and resources at their disposal behind a small army of riders, tasked not only with beating rossi but humiliating him
this is all a bit of an exaggeration, but not too much of one. as then-yamaha rider and then-valentino friend marco melandri put it in 2003, “if valentino did come to yamaha at least he would be able to give them direction with development, but he would not have a chance of winning”. the best-placed yamaha rider in the 2003 championship standings had been carlos checa in seventh, and all yamaha riders combined had achieved a grand total of one podium finish that whole year. generally speaking, however, once this kind of idle speculation of 'oh imagine if he moved’ actually becomes reality, the conversation does shift accordingly, and so the initial consensus of 'surely he can’t win on a yamaha’ of much of 2003 was already beginning to crack by the time they actually arrived at welkom. and the relationship with honda really did end on a pretty sour note, not least because valentino’s former employers refused to let vale test the yamaha before his contract expired at the end of 2003 - which is generally a pretty decent barometer of whether a rider and team are parting on good terms. as valentino put it: “their attitude pissed me off. it will cost me four races, but I always knew things would be like that”. in the end, obviously he was still able to make good use of the pre-season testing he did have and he was not cost “four races” - and at the very latest people had to reassess their outlook on the season when he hit the track at welkom. if anything, his immediate pace that weekend was distinctly un-valentino-like - who needs to already be fast on a friday? - and he led every session and qualified on pole. and then, he went and achieved what still remains possibly the greatest victory of his career after a thrilling battle with old foe biaggi right to the very end. sete was a very distant third
^sete drenching vale at welkom. I am once again going to do 2004 prop and let you know that some of the best races are available free online: welkom, mugello, catalunya, assen and qatar are all on youtube (they should upload phillip island but ah well ed.: for some reason phillip island has been uploaded to facebook)
of course, valentino did not have it all his own way that year. of course, sete was not suddenly replaced by biaggi as vale’s prime challenger. but yes, sete will have had to readjust his expectations of valentino’s season the same as everyone else. after welkom, the conversation shifted definitively from 'surely not’ to 'could he really…?’ - and all other contenders were informed in no uncertain terms that they were not to be granted a rossi-free season. that being said, of course this still very much looked like sete’s best chance. of course this wasn’t going to be as straightforward as valentino’s past titles. perhaps, even, welkom had provided a somewhat illusory picture of what the competitive landscape actually looked like that season. perhaps people had been too hasty to hand the title to valentino again after welkom. a wet weather specialist, sete secured victory in a rainy jerez, while valentino struggled to get his yamaha to work in the wet and finished fourth - his first time off the podium in twenty four races. at le mans, another race in tricky conditions, sete won once again and extended his championship lead while valentino took another fourth place. the spectacle of welkom might have been a flash in the pan; it might be time to reassess the kinds of results valentino could achieve on a regular basis with that machinery
^left: valentino having fun in the wet of jerez; right: valentino’s wood-themed helmet for mugello, because if you finish fourth you get a wooden medal
what followed was a pivotal stretch of three races that turned valentino’s 2004 title bid from a dream to something that felt increasingly plausible, even likely. all three of these races were extremely closely fought. all three of them are very enjoyable to watch. all three of them are freely available on youtube dot com. first, they headed to mugello, a big one for both sete and valentino. valentino had won the last two races at mugello and it was the race that was more important to him than any other - so if you’re sete, where better to stamp your authority on the season? the race ended up having a little bit of everything: a ferocious multi-rider scrap, a duel between the two main title contenders, a red flag and a restart due to the worsening meteorological situation that resulted in another multi-rider scrap. valentino had to make full use of his skills as well as his composure to go out and in essence win two entirely different races. after the second start he fell back as far as seventh as he figured out the grip conditions, taking his time to fuck around before eventually fucking off (or as much as you can fuck off when you only have two and a half laps left). still, sete managed to salvage a second place result and limited the points damage
^2004 is as close to a perfect season as you can get, but there is one major factor that holds it back: the colour schemes of the title contenders. extremely similar combinations of blue with a little yellow from guys who aren’t even in the same factory, let alone teammates - and jorge was always way easier to distinguish from valentino than this mess. what makes this extra stupid is that valentino’s actual teammate that year, carlos checa, had a RED livery and RED leathers so. okay. great job guys. anyway, cracking race, split into two halves (or well. four fifths and a fifth). apparently, sete overtook valentino at some point under a yellow flag - or, at least, valentino says he did, which is something he remembers just in time for that year’s sepang press conference
so a home victory secured and a hat trick of mugello wins - time to head back to sete land and fight it out in catalunya. top five valentino catalunya duel for sure, a pretty crowded category. sete had led every single session going into the race, but in the end he came out second best in a fight that went on until the very last lap. no longer was valentino willing to let sete get the better of him in head-to-head combat, and the victory was even sweeter coming as it did on sete’s home turf - and indeed valentino would establish a bit of a tradition of beating spaniards at that track. the tide was turning and increasingly it did look like valentino might actually achieve the impossible
“One hundred and five thousand screaming Spaniards roar on their hero Sete Gibernau. He’s something of an unexpected hero really. After so many years in grand prix, he lived in the shadow of Alex Criville. Criville’s retired, Gibernau is on the Honda, and Gibernau is leading the world championship.”
^excerpt from the catalunya 2004 commentary
and then, the next race: time for assen
^still friendly and chatting before the first real trial their relationship faces. by the by, the commentary for this race references a cartoon proposing that all that valentino needs to do to keep sete behind him is to attach a mirror to the back of his bike - because sete would be too busy posing. which gives you a general sense of the tone people used to discuss sete with
coming into this race, sete had gotten two consecutive second places to valentino. his championship lead had shrunk to five points. valentino had already gotten the yamaha into race-winning shape sooner than anyone had expected, and now it increasingly looked like he might be able to achieve the week-to-week results that won championships. it also did not help that sete’s defeats had come in direct duels with valentino - in the early days of that rivalry, this exact type of duel had been how sete had announced himself as a serious threat. if it came down to another direct fight between the two of them, sete badly wanted to get a win over his rival, not just for points but for pride. and valentino, conversely, wanted to press home the advantage, to bite harder when his opponent was already bleeding. if you will
this turned into a bit of a three-way tussle between those two and barros, but then barros crashed out and it was just the two of them - going into the very last lap with sete ahead. valentino, who was having to risk far more on the yamaha than he ever did on the honda, made a lunge up the inside of turn 12 and almost binned it in the following corner. nearly losing the front resulted in contact with sete, where sete’s front wheel hit the rear of vale’s bike and damaged the front mudguard - and in the end sete backed off just a touch, allowing vale to cross the line with almost half a second in hand
valentino was enthusiastic in his celebrations, shall we say, whereas sete… well. sete did not look thrilled. gone were the usual parc fermé exchanges, no more hugs or friendly handshakes or kisses. sete suffered his way through the podium celebrations as the wettest of wet blankets, popping the champagne for about half a second and staying rooted in place while valentino carried on doing his thing. the natural assumption would be that sete was furious not just at losing but at the manner in which the pass for the victory was executed, out of control and in a way that could have easily resulted in a crash for both of them. valentino certainly assumed as much, saying that sete was “for sure a little bit angry” (clip here, also includes sete’s statement). but when it was sete’s turn to speak… he just said he was frustrated at losing, as anyone would be in his situation. which, well, doesn’t quite fit in with his reaction, and also doesn’t entirely match up with other statements he made at the time. there are two more sets of quotes from the protagonists of the race, though I can’t determine with absolute certainty in which order these things were said. here’s the first (article dated day of the race):
Gibernau lost vital time in that clash and was not able to challenge on the remainder of the lap but Rossi insists he did not deliberately block the Telefonica Movistar Honda rider.
“I came into the bend a little too quickly and I slightly lost control of the front of my Yamaha, which explains why I touched him, but it wasn’t intentional,” he said.
Gibernau did not use the incident as an excuse for his defeat.
“To be overtaken in the final meters after dominating the race, it’s obviously gutting,” said the Spaniard.
“I was angry about the way he overtook me. His manoeuvre really was risky. He said he didn’t do it on purpose, but it doesn’t take away my disappointment.”
and here’s the second (article dated the day after the race):
“I made a mistake and had to brake early or I would have crashed,” said Rossi, explaining why he slowed so suddenly in front of the Spaniard. “I did not even feel Sete touch me. He was very angry, but I explained what happened.”
For his part, and after having chance to cool down, Gibernau appeared to accept that the contact hadn’t been deliberate.
“I had a good chance right until the end but we touched on the last lap - Valentino explained that he almost fell and, if that’s the case, then there’s nothing for me to say,” shrugged Sete. “These things happen in racing. We had a good battle in another great race.”
if that indeed is the order in which their statements were delivered, this whole episode feels like an interesting exercise in passive aggressive feuding - sete could have of course simply gone up to valentino, supposedly his friend, and asked for an explanation, or stated his objections openly when asked about them in the presser. instead, it seems to have been valentino who offered his explanations after sete had denied even having any issue with the overtake, with sete contradicting himself later by saying he had been angry. even then, sete said it didn’t “take away my disappointment”, which suggests not all was forgiven. from parc fermé to the podium to the press conference, he’d used every part of his body with full effect to express his displeasure with the notable exception of his mouth. this incident hasn’t really been brought up by either party since, but as far as the eye test goes the relationship sure seemed like it was pretty strained by this. with the benefit of hindsight, it stands out as a turning point in their rivalry, the first time the veneer of the gracious loser was well and truly discarded and a sour note was added to the relationship. this was also the race where the championship lead was taken away from gibernau on countback, which incidentally was the last time an independent rider led the world championship standings until… uh… *squints at notes* argentina 2018
^already post-assen - but no reason not to be civil, right? what’s a little last lap assen controversy between friends. scholars will note that this is the race after which valentino engaged in some unsavoury parc fermé activities with sete’s then-teammate colin edwards
for the sake of brevity, the next part of the season is mostly going to be skipped over, but to give you the sparknotes version: sete’s results grew more inconsistent, and valentino gained more of an advantage, despite still having to over-ride the bike in a way that helped cause his dnf in rio (his first dnf since brno 2002 and his first non-mechanical dnf since mugello 2001). apart from a brief period where biaggi seemed like he was going to reinsert himself in the title fight, plus a sete win in brno, for the most part the tide had clearly turned in valentino’s favour and that yamaha title was looking more and more like a certainty. so let’s pick up the narrative at the next major flashpoint between the pair of them, at motogp’s first visit to qatar
I’ve already written up a post that gives more information on that race and the specifics of the controversy, so I’ll forgo another detailed summary of events here. the basic facts we have at our disposal are that valentino’s team, whether to his knowledge or not, rubbered up his spot of the grid, and he was then penalised for it. he worked his way up from the back of the grid before crashing out of fourth place. sete won, reducing the gap separating the two riders at the top of the standings to a mere fourteen points with three rounds to go. valentino was furious at sete, at honda, at the stewards, at pretty much everyone. here are some of his remarks:
“Gibernau’s victory is not real. They stole the match from us with the shameful farce of the penalty. A truly incredible situation occurred. Everyone cleans the starting 'box’. Is there a written rule? In Rio we all went to wash the track, which was dirty. The same thing happened here. In F1 the cars skid, the asphalt is cleaned with the motorbikes. After Friday’s practice [before the Saturday race] we saw Biaggi’s mechanics cleaning the track and we thought it was a good idea. We cleaned the track and Honda screwed up. The others have to attach themselves to something. Gibernau and his chief suspension mechanic didn’t hesitate to snitch like kids. Something ridiculous. I didn’t expect to get to this point. In the race I gave a lot in the early stages, after two corners I was eighth and after four laps I was already in fourth position. I spent a lot and relaxed for a moment. Unfortunately I went wide and couldn’t find the curb anymore. I made a mistake, but I wouldn’t have made such a mistake if I had started from the front. I hope to make up for it in Malaysia, fortunately I didn’t get hurt in the crash. It went well for the finger, when I saw the blood I was scared. But the finger didn’t explode.”
^some of these websites have a habit of collating a bunch of different answers into one paragraph of remarks but personally I am choosing to believe he did actually deliver this as a single monologue
valentino also said he had been looking for an excuse not to speak to sete, called him a child, saying sete had essentially stabbed him in the back. and of course, so the legend goes, he infamously vowed that sete would never win another race again
who snitched?
everything up until now has been more or less just summarising events as they happened - but now we enter considerably murkier waters. we do not definitively know one way or another what happened in qatar, who said what, who was responsible for what. let’s get the less important mystery out of the way first: did valentino really curse sete?
no, not in the sense of 'did valentino rossi really perform black magic’ - more the question of if he ever really said it. a lot of journalists who are otherwise at least mildly reputable seem to take it as read, but also a lot of journalists are motivated to believe he said it because it makes for a fantastic story. when did he say it? to whom? one source talks about it being at the press conference of the following race, which I know for a fact is not the case. here’s a source that is one of the ones to have swayed me more to the side of 'yeah maybe he did say it’:
Rossi then did an interview with Italian TV. He’d hurt his little finger, really mashed it up, in the crash. And he famously said “I will make sure Gibernau will never win another race because of this”.
We’ve all got a soft spot for Valentino, and I can remember thinking ‘oh God, I wouldn’t have said that if I were you. I really wouldn’t have said that…’
I know this is objectively not a lot to go on, but at least it’s a commentator/journalist who was there at the time, claiming they remember finding out about it, giving a little detail about to whom it supposedly was said ('italian tv’) and having an immediate response to it that they are also remembering. obviously, this too could be bogus. but, well, at the end of the day I’m with the journalists here: I too want it to be true because it is indeed a fantastic story. there has also been the suggestion, again poorly sourced, that valentino has denied saying this - or, and this genuinely would be my favourite option of them all, that he said he only meant it for that year. hate it when I place a curse on someone and it accidentally lasts too long
now that I’ve done my due diligence, here’s the good bit: beyond a certain point, it does not matter whether valentino actually said it or not. what mattered is that everyone thought he said it - and, crucially, as 2005 wore on, it became ever more part of the discourse. it was part of the reporting of races: could gibernau finally break the curse? it was discussed extensively in the commentary: we’re back in qatar, do curses have an expiration date of a year or not? there is no way that within the claustrophobic world of the motogp paddock sete would have been been able to avoid it, let alone be unaware of it entirely. (incidentally, the fact that this is the case and I’ve not been able to find a better source of valentino denying it makes me again feel like he did actually say it - though I suppose it’d also be pretty funny if he hadn’t said it but was like. actually this is working out quite nicely for me.) assuming for a moment that valentino is not capable of literally cursing people, the 'real effect’ the curse can have is only in tormenting its victim through the mere knowledge of its supposed existence
but we’re getting ahead of ourselves here. whether the curse existed or not, it could only have the effect it had if valentino fulfilled its initial promise - by denying sete another win that season while securing the title for himself. so let’s just quickly recap where we’re at: three rounds to go, fourteen points between the two contenders. valentino went back to italy to try and fix the fucked up finger and presumably to cool off a bit. the motogp media did what it does best and spent the entire week hyping up the drama. and there was, of course, another mystery everyone was still trying to get to the bottom of: was sete really involved in valentino’s penalty?
let’s first tack on another question: does it even matter? of course, the truth has never been established with 100% certainty either way, and all it does is give the two parties a reason to blow up a friendship that was already getting a little bit strained. either way, the relationship between them was ruined; either way, valentino crushed sete. not just that - whether it really happened or not is one thing, but I feel just a touch more confident in asserting that valentino believed it happened, just from my extreme vibes-based analysis of how genuinely furious he seemed and how he was still referring to sete’s dirty games a whole eleven years later. which, of course, doesn’t in itself really tell us one way or another what actually happened. valentino can convince himself of all manner of things. if anything, his track record as well as how ruthlessly he exploited the situation to his own advantage count against believing his version of events. and, at the end of the day, only one of valentino and sete can speak to sete’s involvement in the protest that caused the penalty with complete certainty. it’s not valentino
and in a way, it doesn’t really matter. sete is unsettled either way - because even if he did have some hand in the penalty, this is the kind of low level petty snitching athletes and their teams constantly engage in. I cannot imagine he would have thought valentino would react as he did. quite honestly, I’m not sure sete could have conceived of a rival reacting like that to anything. if sete was responsible, then valentino still managed to escalate to a level of hostility sete would never have been able to match, let alone be comfortable with. obviously, it would not be in his interest to retroactively admit any involvement in the matter, not least because he saw how valentino responded to the mere assumption of sete’s guilt. it does, however, still matter in evaluating sete’s assertions that the relationship between them changed more or less from one day to the next (which *gestures at the above wall of text* I’m not entirely convinced by), and in judging whether this is a feud that’s entirely built on the back of valentino’s delusions. was sete really completely unaware and, a separate question - was it an unreasonable assumption from valentino that he was involved? if both of those questions are answered in the affirmative, then you do have to say what follows must have been absolutely bonkers from sete’s perspective. I mean, it’s kind of bonkers anyway, but. y'know. even more so
the problem with actually evaluating the claims are that basically every source about it frames the whole thing differently and often in contradictory ways, to the point where even valentino’s actual allegation has been shrouded in the mists of time. different journalists and commentators and authors after the fact have confidently asserted that either hrc or sete’s gresini team lodged the protest - some seem to take it as read that sete did indeed have some kind of role in it, and there is no indication whether they have some kind of privileged information that backs this up or whether this is simply valentino’s influence making itself felt. hrc is obviously a likely suspect, given they canonically hate valentino and are praying for his downfall and have invested a whole lot already to bring it about. then again, gresini are the ones who are actually in this championship battle - and, of course, there’s the distinct possibility that all parts of honda were involved in this together. other figures that have been brought up are gresini team principal fausto gresini who it has been claimed was personally involved in making the protest - this from the stuart barker biography, which treats it essentially as established fact. the barker biography also says that yamaha was not found to be breaking any specific rules, but race direction said it was against the 'spirit’ of the sport, which… okay, I’d also be pretty annoyed to be penalised for that, especially at that stage of the season. while it is of course possible that sete was not involved in his own team’s actions, it does seem a little less likely that he would not have at the very least been informed. to add another twist, one version of the story that has cropped up more than once is that valentino’s allegation was that sete and his crew chief juan martinez went to hrc to get them to go to race direction. also, it may be that ducati protested both valentino and biaggi (who was definitely breaking the rules). which, good on them
unfortunately this is pretty inconclusive stuff and at a certain point it feels like you have nothing better than gut feeling to rely on to choose which narrative is more convincing to you. which is annoying! where’s the substantial evidence! nowhere, it appears, not that I’ve been able to find it - but there is one more tangible source that I haven’t brought up until now. you see, dorna, in their infinite commitment to the bit, have been kind enough to make the thursday press conference at the very next race one of the very few of that era that they have uploaded in its entirety. I am talking, of course, of the pre-event press conference at sepang
^posing for a friendly post-presser photo <3 two guys just chillin’ having fun having a laff
if you are an aficionado of awkward and tense and kind of awful press conferences, then you will have an excellent time with this one. I’ve uploaded pretty much all of the relevant bits that I’ll link to as I go; they’re not obligatory watching to understand the rest of the post as I will be covering them here anyway, but they sure are interesting (and funny, which is really the most important thing)
first, let’s set the scene: four blokes sitting at a table. the seat at its centre sits empty. the championship leader has not yet arrived when the press conference starts, removing the opportunity for one of the most sacred rituals that preempts any motogp press conference: the vibe check. a lot has happened and a lot has been said since the relevant parties last saw each other face to face and it is unclear where the vibes will be at when the reunion happens. will they acknowledge each other? make eye contact? shake hands? speak to each other? the journalists have not had a chance to find out. and one of the two involved parties has not either
after some softball questions relevant to 'racing’ and 'points’ in 'motogp’ and its 'title fight’, the moderator finally gets to the bit everyone’s actually here for: the drama [1]. at this point, sete dates both the presser and himself by saying he’s been trying to block everything out with his “mp3”, before expressing his sympathy for valentino and saying he doesn’t hold any of valentino’s words spoken in the heat of the moment against him. at some point, he delivers a couple of lines that possess the kind of concentrated narrative juice you get a sugar high from, saying “we all know valentino. I know how he really is, he’s a good guy”. just as he finishes answering the question, his eyes flick over to the side - and the camera pans over to valentino entering the room with a slight smirk and of course his big ass sunglasses still very much adorning his face
nicky hayden sits to valentino’s left and is interviewed before valentino is - while valentino does not acknowledge sete, who is sitting to his right. when he is questioned [2], valentino initially sounds like he is intending to turn the page on the whole affair and if anything doesn’t particularly want to comment any further on what has happened. he also manages to deliver a truly classic motogp rider line, saying “I have a hole in the finger, but I think it is not a big problem for ride this weekend”. right! but already here, it becomes swiftly clear that he is still furious at what happened and aggrieved by the penalty. he caps things off with a nice line saying that at least he wasn’t actually slower than 'gibernau’ in qatar, before turning around and shaking hayden’s hand and chatting to him
it immediately becomes clear that all the questions from the floor are going to be about the same thing [3], and sete looks miserably uncomfortable while valentino just comes across as incredibly surly, his smile at times taking on a mildly murderous quality. one journalist fires off an all time classic presser question with “in qatar you say you were searching for an excuse to not talk any more with sete” and again valentino side steps, half-making it sound like he’s willing to move on - while sete continues to strike a conciliatory note, continues to stress how it was all just the heat of the moment. but a follow-up question to valentino gives the journalists and sete the clearest indication that this, in fact, is really happening. valentino says this is not in the past, that he’d already said what he thinks last week and is standing by it. sete looks over at him - with disbelief, with incredulity, with the air of a man who really can’t quite believe the turn this has taken
if there had been any lingering doubt at how unfairly treated valentino feels, he dispels it in his answer about stewarding decisions [4]. at the end of his exchange with the reporter about it, he brings up an incident where sete overtook under a yellow flag in mugello - which, quite honestly, I had not known about and I haven’t found any reference to, so maybe nobody did spot it at the time if it indeed happened. remember, valentino had gone through not one but two bad run-ins with the yellow flag situation the year before, costing him a win at donington and making him ride at his limit to reclaim the win at phillip island. did he speak about this mugello situation at the time, or has he really just carried it around with him silently for months? a professional grudge-carrier, you have to say, a true master at the art. at the next question, valentino continues putting space between himself and sete [5], saying they have been rivals for a long time and that “it’s the same condition” (i.e. situation). the friendship isn’t just gone, it’s so gone it might as well have never existed. if you really want to read more into this than the short response deserves, you could argue he’s saying the facade has been lifted, that the true nature of the rivalry has been revealed at last
and now, we get to the critical part: sete is invited to explain himself and tell the press whether he had any involvement in the penalty or not [6]. he’s clearly put a lot of thought into this in the past week and decided what he should focus on is that he wanted all the grid slots to be cleaned in the interest of safety. interestingly, he says “they” blocked him from doing that, but it’s unclear whether he means gresini or someone else within honda. (presumably honda couldn’t have known valentino’s team would fuck about with a scooter, and remember camel honda rider biaggi also got a penalty so probably not some kind of company-wide internal memo.) (I mean I guess it’d also be funny if there had been a company-wide internal memo but nobody had thought to send it to biaggi.) sete’s argument is basically that he’d be a hypocrite if he’d helped lodge a protest after he himself wanted the grid slots cleaned up - but given that valentino is quite literally calling him a backstabbing bastard, I imagine he wouldn’t consider adding the hypocrite tag a bridge too far. the safety commission element of it all is kind of interesting, given as we’ve established valentino will likely have attended too. if sete raised this at the meeting and valentino did end up discussing it with his team, did vale end up feeling suckered into making a bad choice? probably not, just a thought
anyway, back to gibernau’s response. as the journalist who asked the initial question notes, this is all a lot of waffling without a clear, firm denial (I’m paraphrasing) - and a clear, firm denial would generally be a good way to go about these things. in his next answer, sete again fails to just keep things simple, though again he denies any personal involvement. and then, the journalist asks sete to account for his team, including the fact that apparently one of sete’s mechanics gave evidence to race direction… and sete says he can only speak for himself
so there we have it. that’s the best singular piece of actual evidence I’ve got for sete’s involvement, and at least comes close to confirming that somebody in gresini was involved in the protest, however tangentially. obviously, this in no way confirms sete was himself involved. at least it does give valentino an ever so slightly more reasonable basis of suspicion, though obviously it all just raises more questions like 'why was a gresini mechanic even giving evidence and what about’. that bit is then of course immediately followed by an exchange that’s as good a confirmation as we’re going to get that it was hrc not gresini who made the protest. so. yeah. I’ve got nothing. we don’t know. draw your own conclusions. the presser ends with another question for good measure about the relationship between the two riders. sete first tells them, more or less, that it’s none of their business before sharing a nice laugh with valentino about how valentino is never going to talk to him again
cursed
the thing about that press conference is that it’s all well and good and fun to use it to try and piece together what really happened at qatar, but there are more interesting things to say about it. it is in that press conference that valentino well and truly begun the process of breaking sete, and he did so completely deliberately. it’s quite the little show featuring two guys who are entirely aware that they are surrounded by cameras and reporters and are reacting accordingly. sete is committed to being dignified, to being unflappable, to being magnanimous: whatever valentino said, he will forgive him. he is happy to move on. but as the press conference progresses, he is slowly made to realise that his opponent is the one who is not ready to forgive and is not ready to play nice - not even for the cameras. especially not in front of the cameras
^his poor pinkie finger :(
sete must have felt on top of the world after qatar. he had clawed back 25 points. a championship that had already seemed lost suddenly felt like it might be in his grasp once again. valentino could complain and whine and be furious for italian television, but surely this is the kind of thing that blows over. for too long, sete is under the mistaken impression that they will move on from this. for too long in that presser, sete is playing at respectability while valentino has already progressed to open hostility. it’s unnerving, of course it is, to suddenly be completely cold-shouldered and ignored by a man you had thought you were on reasonably good terms with a week ago. it’s unnerving for it all to happen in front of cameras, when for so long you have been striving to present a cordial, friendly, civilised image of a rivalry. him and valentino don’t do all that nasty business, not like valentino and biaggi. sete’s better than that and valentino has grown up a bit - this is one of those ideal rivalries people are always going on about, the ones that are ferocious on-track but respectful and even warm off it. and so, despite everything valentino had said to the press over the past week, he still manages to completely blindside sete in the moment. he still manages to leave him unsettled, and even disoriented
and so we get to the race itself, pivotal for sete and his championship hopes. to still have a chance at clinching the title, he really needs to be fighting at the sharp end of all three of the remaining races. alas, it is not to be. valentino is reinvigorated after the humiliation of qatar and coasts through the weekend on a wave of irreverent indignation - telling reporters after qualifying on pole that this result had been important “especially since it means we know which part of the grid to clean tonight”. he thrives in the chaos and the frenzied speculation and the seething tension - whereas sete is nowhere to be found all weekend. valentino wins with a comfortable margin while sete finishes a lowly seventh place. a healthy thirty point lead in the championship has been restored. now, then, in victory valentino has been provided with the opportunity to really twist in the knife. sete comes up alongside him on the cooldown lap, clearly wanting to shake hands - and valentino completely ignores him, does not as much as glance in his direction. then, he stops for one of those whimsical planned celebrations that he’s ever so fond of, and he cleans his grid slot with a helpfully provided broom. as valentino says afterwards, “this time I wanted to destroy the morale of everybody”. and if that wasn’t enough, he adds in the post-race press conference “for me, sete did the best race of the season. he has given me a lot of points, which is like a big present. I am really grateful”. charming as ever
^he also came up with his own cleaning crew founded with his trusty crew chief jerry burgess, 'la rapida’, and had shirts mocked up - to 'eliminate dirt from motogp’. so nice to have a supportive crew chief, isn’t it? from valentino after the race: “I’ve been working with jeremy for four years, together we’ve seen all sorts of things and when I arrived here I saw him with an incredible face, disgusted, saddened. he and the team said we had to react and so we did”. and as jb put it, “valentino is the sort of rider I wouldn’t want to get angry. he can take you apart on the track”. the text on the shirt: “we clear out rats. we disinfect, clear drains and clean starting grids. we also do night jobs - all done in six seconds [aka the qualifying penalty he’d received]”
two races to go, and it’s match point rossi. he finishes first or second at phillip island and the championship is his for certain - if he doesn’t do so and sete wins the race, it’s hello title decider. there is barely any doubt left in people’s minds, then, about who the 2004 champion will be… but it’s not a done deal. in the very worst case scenario, valentino enters the final round with a slender six point advantage. he’s not safe yet. he’s not safe yet on the very first lap, which, it has to be said, is a lot of fun. vale gets a better start than sete does from pole, but sete overtakes him around the outside and vale is quickly pushed to third - then fourth, at which point he runs off track and makes a risky excursion into the dirt. at the very next corner, he makes a downhill overtake on two ducatis at once, and sets about hunting down sete who has built up an advantage of over a second
so, in fittingly dramatic fashion, the race comes down to a duel between the two of them, valentino stalking sete around the track lap after lap. if valentino holds his ground, the championship is his - but sete takes the win and can go into the next season with new confidence and self-belief and hope for something better. valentino does not just want to avenge the injustice of qatar; this is an investment for the future. a way of telling sete that he has not just lost this season but that he will always lose, when fighting valentino. there is a promise to be kept, after all - whether it was only supposed to apply to that season or not, valentino refuses to let sete win another race. they exchange overtakes but sete is still just about in the lead when they enter the final lap. it is here that valentino makes his move, not once but twice to make it stick. his riding in that last lap isn’t egregiously reckless but certainly not risk-free, and could have ended with him in the gravel and the championship still undecided in valencia. but he’s not and it isn’t - and just like his first premier class title (a comparison valentino himself makes in his autobiography), his first title with yamaha is sealed on the last lap of phillip island. his championship-winning shirt is uncharacteristically stark, reading simply 'che spettacolo’ ('what a spectacle/show’) - and he’s not wrong. this has been a show, it’s been a miracle, and in the end it’s been theatre. he’s sealed the title in style while also getting his revenge. it’s winning in the most satisfying manner you can win anything: by beating somebody you loathe. celebrations are nice, but isn’t there just something special about seeing the person you despise look so wholly miserable?
sete puts on a brave face, determined to be above valentino’s pettiness. he goes over, shakes valentino’s hand. valentino accepts. of course he does - he’s won. sete was a few corners away from denying valentino’s curse before it had ever really sunk its claws in. would it have changed things, if he could simply have regained a little confidence and found his bearings again after the psychological onslaught of the sepang weekend? maybe, maybe not. of course, looking at valentino’s 2005 season, you have to say valentino was almost certainly operating on a level no version of sete would have been able to match. but there’s still a lot of room between 'fighting for a championship’ and 'becoming a shell of the rider you once were’ - and if things had gone a little differently, you do also have to say that a championship as open as 2006 was could have represented opportunity for all manner of rider. if only he’d been able to cauterise the wound in phillip island, rather than letting valentino dig his teeth in even further
^at least capirossi’s having a good time :D
the championship sealed and there’s but one round to go. once again the paddock must regrettably visit a track that some critics have described as 'drab’ and 'soulless’ and 'the enemy of good racing’, and one at which valentino has only won once before. but the way to tease out a special performance from valentino is generally to give him a point to prove, add in a little spite to get the fires spitting, and he wins at the circuit for the second (and last) time of his career. in front of the spanish fans too, which must have felt particularly satisfying - and the race itself isn’t all too bad in the first half (the way valentino gets past gibernau/biaggi is quite funny). home hero sete takes fourth, and that’s a wrap on the 2004 championship
there’s something deceptively comfortable about the final numbers: 304 points to 257. 47 points. no problem. but sports isn’t just numbers; it’s the story those numbers tell. valentino was furious in qatar and he made a mistake and he ended up in a position where things don’t have to go all that differently for him to lose the title. the momentum was on the side of his enemy, whose confidence and morale had been given a much-needed boost. the genius of the entire sepang weekend, from the press conference to his jibes in interviews to his dominance performance-wise to the cold shoulder to the pointed celebrations, was that they all worked together to stop that momentum cold
maybe it didn’t make much of a difference - valentino was always in the stronger position given he both had a points advantage and was the faster man. but faster men have lost championships before. ignore raw pace and performance edge and all of that: valentino wrested control of the intangibles - momentum, self-belief, all of those abstract things that defy rational analysis - and brought them firmly back onto his side. sete spent the entire weekend off balance, unsettled, forced to discuss things that made him uncomfortable, engulfed in a media storm he was ill-suited to coping with. all the while, valentino relished it and used it to spur himself on. by the time sete had regrouped in phillip island and was far cooler - if still respectful - towards valentino, it was already too late
in the interest of eventually finishing this post, we’re not going to cover sete’s downfall in that much depth. but there is still one last critical blow that valentino has to inflict to truly bring an end to the gibernau experiment. the very first race of 2005 was one that valentino particularly wanted to win - not just to inform his competitors that this year would be more of the same, but also because they were once again on sete’s home soil. time for jerez
^new year, new sete! this time he’s going to show that italian upstart what’s what
as ever, the media had done its best to hype up this new season. sete would be getting full support from the factory (which, yes, feels like maybe they should have considered providing a touch earlier) and he made it clear he was ready for the challenges ahead, ready to get revenge and all that. the spanish had grown fonder of their unexpected challenger too, and showed up in full force to support their man in the opening race. of course, a lot of people quietly agreed that realistically speaking, the competitive picture was looking pretty ominous. 2004 should have been the season in which valentino got the yamaha project up and running, setting up a title challenge in 2005. but he was ahead of schedule and surely the yamaha would only get stronger. still, you never know, right? that’s why we line up on sunday etc etc
valentino stole pole position from sete right at the end of qualifying, but crashed in warm-up and ended up using his second bike, which is never ideal. the start was already feisty from both parties, and for a while valentino was relegated back to third. but sooner rather than later, he assumed his familiar position sitting right on sete’s rear tyre, showing sete his wheel here and there just to remind him where he was. remember the whole sachsenring debacle after which valentino told himself that he wasn’t going to leave it that late again? well, he was actually nice and sensible here, and made a move with two laps to go, successfully passing sete for the lead
which should have been the end of it. nice and clinical, a lovely relatively stress-free culmination of a whole race’s work where valentino had diligently studied his opponent’s strengths and weaknesses and had formulated his plan accordingly. job done, another win on the board to start the season. except then valentino decided to make things interesting again on the very last lap by out-braking himself on the back straight and running it wide into turn 6, allowing sete back through. there’s a slightly frenetic energy with which valentino immediately hops back onto sete’s rear wheel, already a touch of desperation about his lunge on the inside of turn 11 where he briefly goes past - but he’s in too hot and sete’s back in front
what all this means is that valentino really only has one opportunity left at turn 13 and barely any time to conceive of it. there’s no planning or calculation or strategy here. valentino has one option to attack if he wants to win this race. it’s a dive that is instinctive rather than planned - the only calculation here is that he would rather crash them both out than let sete win the race. back then (and a bit ironic from a modern point of view), valentino’s infamous dangled leg was seen as evidence that he was out of control, doing anything he could to get the bike stopped while going for a gap that wasn’t really there to be gone for. they make contact, valentino manages to get the bike turned and sete goes off into the gravel, but can get the bike back on track to finish second. valentino does a wheelie over the line. sete makes a thumbs down gesture
the spanish fans decide pretty quickly whose side they’re taking in this. there’s booing, whistling as valentino completes his victory lap, going full ham as he pumps his fists and claps at them and does a thumbs up and waves and puts his hand on his hip and all the rest of it as they scream at him. parc fermé is tense, the eye of the storm in the midst of the deafening roars of the crowd, with sete giving vale a couple of long looks as he gets off the bike. it’s all big drama, everyone consulting their teams, talks of appeals to race direction, valentino grimly satisfied while sete is aggrieved, furious - stretching out his arm, clutching it, shaking his head while shaking teammate melandri’s hand. he approaches valentino, says a few words to him as he walks past - valentino is not particularly interested in engaging in conversation. the crowd demands valentino’s disqualification, and also call him a son of a whore. they’re also obviously still booing. and whistling. lots of noise
on their way to the podium, sete is making tortured progress, pausing for a moment in the stairwell to clutch at his arm. at this point, valentino takes a moment to take the piss out of his rival, turning to the camera with a big smile and gesturing at sete. eventually they make it to the podium and vale laps up the displeasure of the spanish crowd. valentino smirks while sete goes for a sort of pained dignity, thanking the spanish crowd for their support, claiming the moral victory and all that. the italian anthem is almost inaudible
^sete always tried to go for a kind of stoically disapproving vibe, helped along this time by his pain in the shoulder. unfortunately for him, he does just come across as thoroughly defeated. which he was
the problem that sete faces here is that, while valentino is obviously more accustomed to a rather friendlier reception, it’s also not like he particularly minds the spaniards giving him a hard time. valentino has claimed his fourth victory in succession, and has done so by once again denying sete on the very last lap. he has sent a message that this new season will be exactly the same as the last and that he remains exactly as determined to make sete’s life miserable. while he does seem to think sete is playing up the shoulder injury, in general sete’s solemn grimaces are like catnip to him. just before the anthem, he reaches out to shake first melandri’s hand and then sete’s - and sete hesitates, before extending his arm to the fullest extent to shake valentino’s hand with about as little proximity as is physically possible. it’s good sportsmanship, but it does also as good as tell valentino he’s not going to kick up too big a fuss. in a way, whatever choice he made would have played into valentino’s hands. even though this time sete may have directly confronted valentino, he’s still not prepared to escalate things beyond that… and valentino knows it
^one of the classic rancid vibes podiums. the hands on hips at the ceaseless spanish booing is a nice touch
this choice to avoid further escalation is one sete continues to abide by in the press conference, echoing the assen presser from the year before beat for beat. again, valentino comments that it was a great battle, that sete is surely angry but, essentially, it is what it is (“this is the racing”). again, sete congratulates valentino for the win, but refrains from complaining about valentino’s actions during the race. he has since said that he talked to race direction about it and was incredibly disillusioned about their choice not to penalise valentino - but again, not a whisper of it to the media with valentino sitting next to him
the one thing he did say was that he hoped he’d be fit to race in estoril because of his shoulder. remember the whole clutching at his arm routine where valentino (and the commentators) were kinda taking the mickey out of sete’s comically pained expressions? well, um, turns out he did have a lot of pre-existing shoulder problems, and indeed that was the bit of his body that caused him considerable problems for the rest of his motogp career:
Gibernau dislocated his collarbone when he crashed out of the lead of the 2002 Portuguese Grand Prix on a Suzuki GSV-R, suffered a left shoulder tendon injury during his last turn clash with Valentino Rossi at Jerez 2005, then damaged the same shoulder further when he fell in practice for the following Estoril round.
At the 2006 Catalan Grand Prix, Gibernau broke his left collarbone after spectacularly tangling with Ducati team-mate Loris Capirossi at the start of the race. Gibernau required a further operation shortly after when the titanium plate inserted to help his collarbone heal was found to have weakened.
The new plate was in turn damaged when Gibernau hit Casey Stoner’s fallen Honda in the penultimate round of the season, again at Estoril, marking the end of Gibernau’s factory Ducati - and, it seemed - MotoGP career. Before making his 2009 MotoGP comeback, Gibernau had the metal plate removed from his collarbone, only to suffer shoulder ligament damage during training - forcing him to miss the final pre-season test.
well, anyway, after the controversy has had two weeks to continue on full steam, valentino does strike a somewhat more contrite note in the estoril pre-event press conference. he says he hadn’t been aware of the whole shoulder situation and that sete had been unlucky given it had been a light touch in a slow corner… but having rewatched the footage he can see how, yes, maybe the contact could have hurt sete. these things happen, right? and at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter for valentino, because the controversy blows over. what remains is the blow (psychological rather than physical) he dealt sete. what remains is that he won and sete lost, again, and sete has still failed to win since qatar
“And I really think that as long as he wins this race, even if he only takes five points back off Valentino Rossi, he will be happy with that, because it’s all about getting back to winning ways. He hasn’t won since Qatar last October. He’s got to take a victory, just to get his season back on course. Valentino Rossi is going to take a lot of stopping, and really all he can do is try and win this race in front of his home crowd.” […]
“That race in Qatar, and the problems they had in that race with Valentino Rossi crashing out after having to start from the back of the grid was really when all the problems started, didn’t it, for Sete Gibernau. […] But really that’s where his problems started, both on and off the track for Sete Gibernau after that race victory in Qatar. I really can’t believe he would’ve believed that was going to happen. He was so, so pleased to win that race.” […]
“This is a big big thirteen laps for Sete Gibernau, isn’t it. If he can hold off Valentino Rossi, psychologically, it would be a very very big victory for him.”
^excerpts from the catalunya 2005 commentary, the sixth round of the season. valentino had said in the presser after the preceding race that he expected biaggi and melandri to be his main rivals that season. sete leads for almost the entire race before valentino makes his race-winning overtake with three laps to go and smashes the previous circuit record on that lap
what remains is one failure after another. an important thing to stress when we talk about a 'curse’ is that sete gibernau did not suddenly stop being a frontrunner after qatar 2004. he qualified on pole five times in 2005 (same as valentino, funnily enough - his average grid position was actually better than vale’s, 2.82 v 4.12). even so, things go from bad to worse for sete. often valentino does his own dirty work in stopping sete when he’s getting a bit too close to that elusive victory, winning a close duel in catalunya, pressuring sete into a mistake at the sachsenring, that kind of thing. often, he does not even have to. sometimes he took himself out, like crashing out of the lead in the wet conditions he was once so very skilled at in estoril (not helping his injured shoulder) or in donington park, where valentino went on to deliver perhaps the finest wet weather performance of his career to take the win
“I don’t think anyone can be to blame for crashing out in these conditions, can they. […] It really is at that stage of the season for Sete Gibernau where it’s all or nothing, really just got to try and win races. We’re now twelve races since his last victory at Qatar. Valentino Rossi promised after that race that Gibernau would never win another race and well it seems to be coming true so far.”
^excerpt from the donington park 2005 commentary, the ninth race of the season, where sete crashed out of the lead in horrendous wet conditions
valentino’s favoured way of winning races played into his hands here. pressure, pressure, pressure - preferably exerted from right behind his victim, with the knowledge that valentino is waiting and studying and ready to pounce on any mistake. even if you don’t make any, he’ll probably get you anyway. the effect of these defeats becomes nicely cumulative, where even the knowledge that valentino will be coming (even if he isn’t there yet), that eventually he will try and pass you (even if he hasn’t done so yet), is enough to make his opponents self-destruct before he even has to lift a finger. what he does to sete is the most extreme version of how that tactic typically works, by slowly eating away at sete’s confidence and composure and self-belief until the eventual error feels increasingly inevitable. valentino knows it is coming, sete knows it is coming, and they both play their parts accordingly
“But Rossi straight after Gibernau, now he’ll start those pressure games. Pressure is on Sete Gibernau. He has not won a race for a year; the last race win was here. And the man he doesn’t speak to, he doesn’t speak back to him either, Valentino Rossi, behind him, and Rossi will start exerting the pressure Rossi-style as we know.” […]
“A year ago, wasn’t it, it doesn’t seem that long ago, doesn’t it, that Sete Gibernau was so delighted to win the race here. And Valentino Rossi really left in a strop, didn’t he. But there we are, Sete Gibernau - but we’ve seen it before, and Rossi seems so have this ability to faze him, out at the front, put pressure on him.” […]
“Well, Nick, you said at the start of this race that Valentino Rossi has plenty of motivation to win this race here. He wants to take ten wins for Yamaha, it would be the first Yamaha rider ever to do that in the premier class. He wants to end a drought almost in his terms, certainly since he became a Yamaha rider - he’s never gone three races without winning a race before, but that could happen today if Gibernau holds this out. And of course the one thing he really wants to stop is Sete Gibernau from winning a race one year on from the day that Rossi said he would never win another one for the rest of his career.”
“How long does a g-’s curse take, I mean, is it just a year, the g-’s curse and then does it come off? Because if it is then he’s just about right, isn’t he? […] Perhaps the curse is gone; perhaps this is just what Sete Gibernau needed.”
^excerpts from the qatar 2005 commentary, the fourteenth round of the season. sete looked like he was making a break for it ahead of valentino and then melandri. six laps to go melandri almost causes valentino to crash and costs valentino over a second, but it doesn’t matter. this time it’s melandri who has the honours of coaxing a mistake out of sete, who goes off into the gravel as melandri passes him. valentino overtakes melandri for the victory
sometimes, he did just seem cursed in the truest sense of the word. his bike running out of fuel on the last lap while he’s still fighting valentino for the victory. mechanical dnf’s. other riders barging him out of the way before valentino even has the chance to. he switched manufacturers for 2006, getting a spot on the ducati factory team: his last race with honda was ended by an engine failure and his first race with ducati was ended by an electronics failure. a freak boot protector malfunction that left his foot bleeding halfway through the race. a nasty crash in catalunya, followed by his ambulance crashing into a bus fifty metres in front of the hospital entrance. in the end, it was probably the injury caused by casey stoner bringing him down in estoril that pushed him definitively into retiring - after he was dropped by ducati in favour of casey. so it goes
obviously, valentino cannot be held responsible for anything in that last paragraph. you can’t mind game your opponent into having their engine blow up, at least I don’t think you can. the stuff before that is fair game. what valentino did in jerez essentially stopped the title fight before it could even get started. it was ruthlessly effective in removing sete as a significant player at the top of the sport. sure, it’s always hard to attribute a competitive decline such as this one to any single factor. but if ever there was a time to maybe just blame one person…
sete more often than not has kept his silence about the rivalry. in 2005, he generally did not go much further than saying that the whole thing was one-sided and started by valentino, see this (from one of oxley’s books):
But don’t ask me about him as a person, I’ll only speak about him from a professional point of view, that’s about it. I don’t know why he’s got a problem with me because I’ve never had a problem with him. I’ve always had a lot of respect for everyone on the grid, I just wish everyone shared that respect, because once you lose respect you lose everything.
on a similar topic, at some point he has also spoken about the qatar controversy again, saying the following:
He blamed me but it was nothing I did. Of course I didn’t report him - I didn’t even see what happened. I’d had a very good relationship with Valentino for many years but after that it just came around.
in 2009, at the time of sete’s ultimately short-lived motogp comeback, he went along with the slight farce of a reconciliation, shaking valentino’s hand and talking to him with cameras watching - the season after valentino had regained his crown in '08. but it is fair to say not all is forgotten. at times, he has done his best to draw a line under jerez and continues to refrain from criticising valentino publicly, like this from 2017:
The Catalan avoids criticizing the Italian for any controversial maneuver, such as that of Jerez 2005. “At the time I was living, based on my values, principles and education, I tried to do things as well as I knew how. And I am very proud of what I did .”
Sete explains what it means to battle Vale. “We did very nice things fighting against a phenomenon, he may be the best in the history of motorcycling. I am proud to have fought face to face with a guy who is a phenomenon,” he explains.
(obviously, you can read this as valentino not following whatever values, principles or education he might have possessed.) at other times, he’s been a little more openly critical. in 2020, he still did not criticise valentino as much as he did the response to the overtake, which he felt set a bad precedent and has contributed to the normalisation of a more aggressive style of racing in the years since:
I don’t know how many times we’ve talked about that corner, but the more time goes by the more I understand after that, things change. Many people were seeing that move, and from that moment on it opened the door for it to happen many more times. At the end of the race, both of us did what we thought was best for the championship, and my opinion can be whatever. But since then things have changed in MotoGP and racing is understood, which I don’t agree [with].
he also adds this:
When asked if race direction would have looked into that incident had it happened today, Gibernau responded: “To tell you the truth, no. I don’t think so.
"I’ve got different thoughts on that side, which are mine, and like I said I don’t need to be right or wrong. Everyone has his own thoughts, and if I put myself now in a situation where I was watching a race and I saw what happened there [at Jerez] where two guys risking their own lives touched each other in a difficult last corner, and I was looking at it with my son who would like to become a road racer, and everyone would give the victory to a guy that has touched another one, I wouldn’t be wanting that to happen.
"I don’t want anyone to get hurt. It’s one of my priorities and it’s how I understand sport and racing. MotoGP is already so dangerous that in my opinion we should all put together our know how to avoid these type of situations. Is it difficult to do? Yes. Is it impossible to do? I don’t think so. It’s responsibility to whoever is in charge of the championship and to put the rules where we need to stay away from this type of situation because, like I say, we’re risking more than just a crash.”
and even more recently, in 2023, he’s spoken about the jerez race being the source of his disillusionment:
If I’m telling the truth, Jerez 2005 made me lose my enthusiasm for being in the races. I tried to maintain it until the beginning of 2006, with Ducati, and when we could have won, a mechanic left a gear screw unadjusted and the gear lever fell off. That day, in Jerez 2005, I mentally retired.
Valentino went inside and took me out. They didn’t penalize him. It’s my personal opinion, everyone will have their own opinion and it must be respected, but I think that this is not a contact sport.
also in 2023, in a separate interview, he said this:
But he didn’t get a punishment or anything, and then I started to lose my faith in the sport. […] I couldn’t understand how, y'know this was not a contact sport, I couldn’t understand… things happen in the championship and things had been going on inside and everything and I just lost my - started to lose my illusion in the racing.
which is later in the same interview followed by this (which is partly about his woes in 2006 - he also talked about the moment with the gear screw, but I think pinpoints that rather than jerez as the day he mentally retired):
I had done such a big effort to put myself to a position to where, I was fighting against my own demons, I was fighting against the championship, I thought no one’s helping here. I was fighting against one of the top guys in the history of racing, which was Valentino, and I just thought, but, Valentino doesn’t even need to do what he’s doing to win, and no one is saying nothing. There was many things there and I just couldn’t understand… I’m fighting against everything, you know, and I was expecting the championship to just be a little more neutral on that side, just to say, if someone does something wrong you’ve got to say, in my opinion, it’s not a contact sport; it’s already dangerous enough to being able to say you can hit someone and say, wow, that was a great move. […]
Everyone is brave on a MotoGP bike. Moto3, Moto2, MotoGP, from the first guy to the last guy, you cannot pinpoint on TV and say how brave this guy was by hitting another guy. Because if I’m a dad watching that I would not want my son to be in a championship like this. Because it’s not bravery, it’s not about hitting another guy - if you want to do that, go boxing. […]
And from a guy like Valentino, which is, a superstar, why accept that? I think it was wrong, in my opinion, he didn’t need to do that. Since then, many things have been happening because of that movement. Because kids saw that and said that’s the way to do it. And then Marquez is doing it to this guy, and the other guy is doing it to the other guy, and you get killed in racing. It’s already dangerous. We should stay away from that. That’s why I never understood - it got to a point where I just - oh man. It’s nothing to do with me here any more, you know, and I just left racing and I retired.
for the most part, then, sete is still quite contained in his criticisms of valentino, focusing on the jerez incident and not really delving into what happened the year prior to that. he mainly questions why valentino even felt the need to do what he did to sete, and suggests valentino set a bad example to others - especially kids watching, especially future riders. his criticisms also concern motogp as a sport, those who set the rules and those who regulate them, in not doing anything to stamp down on this kind of racing. he says he felt like he lacked support from the entirety of the sport and eventually decided that he’d had enough
I haven’t added this block of text just because I enjoy transcribing large portions of three hour long podcast interviews that didn’t really need to be three hours long (apparently the most tried and tested method of getting riders to share their more candid thoughts about anything) - but because this, uh, average-length tumblr post wouldn’t really feel complete without it. it’s all very well and good to talk about how sete was mentally 'broken’ by what valentino did to him. you can have whatever opinion you want about the thoughts sete expresses here on riding standards and acceptable levels of aggression. you can also maybe doubt whether it really was just 'disillusionment’ with race direction’s approach to valentino’s jerez pass that caused his competitive decline - obviously, three hour confessional podcast interview or not, this is a narrative he’s still chosen for a reason and it sells himself and his career in a certain way. but - but - especially given the exact circumstances in which his rise to title challenger status occurred and how heavily he involved himself in the safety commission… well, at the very least I’m not going to leave it out. should he have made his complaints publicly known at the time, if this is something he felt so strongly about? is this level of criticism warranted by that specific jerez move? it’s tough, because from the modern perspective of course I too have gotten used to a kind of racing where that level of contact is fairly normalised - which two riders this century have played a disproportionate role in bringing about. on the one hand, valentino is right in his defence that relatively speaking, this is far from the fastest or hardest contact out there. on the other hand, it’s a move that was made with the knowledge it would result in contact. and in doing so, he injured sete, because that’s what can happen even as a result of relatively 'light’ touches. make up your own mind! it’s not an easy topic to address, and I most certainly wouldn’t be able to do it justice here. let’s wrap this up
of delusion and despair
valentino has always been intensely aware of the power of narratives and takes care in how he tells his own story. the most literal version in which anyone can tell their own story is, obviously, by publishing an autobiography - which he did in 2005, covering everything up until his first title with yamaha at the end of 2004. it is not presented in chronological order and is instead organised in a far more loose thematic manner, with valentino not feeling any compulsion to give all parts of his life anywhere close to equal attention. still, when you read it, certain omissions do jump out at you - and the exclusion of gibernau is perhaps the most remarkable. you could say it’s because he doesn’t want to speak ill of his rivals, but he has no problem going into a fair bit of detail about his feud with biaggi. you could say it’s because the gibernau rivalry was still going on at time of writing, but the same is more or less true about biaggi who placed third in the 2004 championship. there is not a single paragraph in his autobiography devoted to the relationship with gibernau. every mention of him is just that: a mention. a name thrown in without care when discussing something else entirely. you are told vale passed gibernau to win the 2004 championship - but if you read the autobiography without any other knowledge of valentino, you’d be forgiven for not realising gibernau had been his title rival at all
yes, within the grand context of his career, biaggi does have to be seen as a more significant rival… but this narrative was still being written in late 2004, at a time in which valentino had committed himself to destroying sete. maybe valentino doesn’t want to comment on controversies that are still bubbling along, but the sheer extent of the erasure feels far more deliberate than that. this is somebody who had been valentino’s friend for years, enough so that they spent time with each other outside of work, went on holidays together, blokes who for all intents and purposes truly liked each other’s company. somebody who had been his closest rival for two years, who had pushed him closer than anyone else had in his title runs, who he had experienced some of his greatest career defeats and victories against. according to the narrative presented by the autobiography, he might as well be just any other rider. it’s worse than fury, worse than loathing: it’s disinterest
(it has to be said, quite possibly the funniest omission is when he’s talking about how “angry and disappointed” he was after qatar because of, and I quote, “honda having lodged an appeal”. … anyone else you thought was involved, valentino? …..?)
which is quite the punishment to enact. one reason why this rivalry is so tricky to analyse is, yes, it’s one that’s quite old by now, but also because we are drawing from a far smaller sample size of valentino comments - almost all of which were provided at the time - when you compare it to any of his other major rivalries. sure, he still talks about jerez 2005, when he’s asked about it - though it might as well just have been another fun race, another dramatic victory, another controversial overtake, rather than anything that had any greater significance. (of course, there is also a clip of him forgetting about the race entirely when thinking about last corner overtakes in the premier class with sete in the room - which you can read into if you so choose.) he’s talked plenty over the years about his first yamaha title in 2004, but not about the man he beat to secure it. this was his closest title battle of the ones he won (just pipping 2009), but he might as well have won it against a faceless amalgamation of the honda corporation rather than an actual living breathing rival. it’s as if that title battle started and ended in welkom, where it was biaggi not gibernau who valentino had to best. even though publicly the two of them set aside their feud in 2009 and valentino even said then that they could be friends again, this feels like lip service more than anything else. in 2015 at jerez, valentino was questioned about the parallels to his relationship with a certain other rival, who was friendly with valentino at the time but had crashed out while battling vale in the previous race. valentino in response acknowledged his past good friendship with sete, but said it was different: after qatar his relationship with sete had gotten worse as a result of how sete had “played a dirty game”. if he had not changed his mind about sete’s character eleven years after the fact, why would he have reevaluated in the years since?
it is fair to say that gibernau was the least talented of valentino’s major rivals, the least substantial figure in terms of his accomplishments in grand prix racing. biaggi is a four time 250cc champion; nobody needs to be reminded of the achievements of stoner, lorenzo or marquez. sete is the rival who wasn’t even supposed to exist; he was catapulted into the position essentially overnight by tragedy. and yet, even acknowledging that, it feels like he is under-discussed in the canon of valentino feuds given the sheer quality of their on-track output (let’s face it, there are more great vale/sete battles than there are for say vale/casey) and the high drama of their closest title fight. yes, you can say that’s because it is one of the older and less well-remembered rivalries, because it is not quite as dramatic and significant as the biaggi feud… but still, it’s quite the disparity. given the power valentino holds in writing the stories within the sport, how can you not conclude that he has played a helping hand in this erasure? being ignored is a far greater indignity than being despised - and after 2004 valentino has barely even offered sete the honour of his hatred
^sete tried to breathe new life into his motogp career by switching to ducati, but his campaign was derailed by injuries. it was probably scant consolation in his miserable 2006 season, but valentino himself was pretty cursed that year. their last on-track battle came at phillip island, in the series’ first bike swap race while valentino was fighting tooth and nail to save his doomed title defence. it’s admittedly one of like twenty things that happen in that race, but it is quite funny how sete really came back to life just in time to make valentino’s life harder when he really didn’t need him to. valentino overtook sete on the final corner of the race for the final podium spot
of course, it is a hell of a lot easier to erase a rivalry when you win it so conclusively. in truth, as an opponent, valentino got the measure of sete fairly quickly. he never lost another direct duel against sete after sachsenring 2003, having essentially vowed as much to himself even when they were nominally still on good terms. the 2004 championship was as close as it was because of valentino’s unequivocally inferior machinery and the somewhat less consistent results he achieved as a consequence - but even there, when they fought directly for the win in mugello, catalunya, assen and phillip island, each time valentino came out on top. (you can argue about brno '04 - I’d say it doesn’t really count since sete ended up running away with the race with a massive tyre advantage.) still, you don’t have to be winning all your direct duels with your opponents to be winning the championship - and at the end of the day, sete did come tantalisingly close to a title, or at the very least forcing a title decider. whatever it is that differentiates 'very good riders’ from 'champions’ is what sete is lacking. he has something in him… a self consciousness, a self awareness even, that is lethal to professional athletes. he was stuck trying to manage the image of his rivalry with valentino, when valentino was moving in for the kill. valentino too is heavily aware of image, is heavily invested in how he tells his own story - but more often than not, he manages to use it as a weapon to spur himself onwards to further success. when valentino did so once again in late 2004, sete stumbled
it is not novel to suggest that valentino needs enemies to motivate himself. plenty of people within the sport have said it, including his fellow riders. that’s what’s always worth remembering about the 'mind games’ - sure, it’s great if he unnerves his opponents, but often it is about providing himself with someone to hate though there are exceptions to this, which I have a lot of thoughts about relating to one casey stoner. valentino needs to have a reason to do what he does; it’s not enough to win for the sake of winning if there’s no story. in 2003, he had more or less won motogp and was finding it harder and harder to motivate himself, admitting repeatedly that he was losing his joy and passion for racing. yes, this was one of the main factors that led to the move to yamaha: to give himself a reason to keep going. but it was also just the right moment for another rival to emerge from nowhere and give valentino somebody new to focus his attentions on. when you read the limited autobiography mentions of sete and his interactions with valentino in 2003, it seems hard not to conclude valentino was already feeling a little less kindly towards sete by the end of that year. the relationship did not survive contact with a true title fight, where valentino found himself pushed closer to the limit than he ever had before. the moment he was in real danger, he blew up the relationship and walked away with literal full points for the remainder of the season. at the very next race to start off the new season, he made sure sete would never be a threat to him again
it’s natural to conclude from all of this that the feud was built entirely on the back of valentino’s delusions, of valentino inventing a concrete reason to despise sete that was based on his mental list of sete’s past transgressions, imagined or otherwise. and maybe it was. did sete really snitch? did valentino really think he did? what was it that convinced valentino of sete’s guilt? and even if sete was involved, was this really a proportionate response? this is where a lack of evidence and both parties’ reticence to discuss the incident in the years since works against us. but - looking beyond the specifics of what happened in qatar, it does feel likely that the relationship would have deteriorated beyond what we saw in assen anyway. that’s what a close title fight tends to do to the people involved. isn’t it?
sete makes for a suitable foil to valentino because he too intensely concerns himself with how he is perceived. when vale takes on sete, one pretty boy to another, they are both a little too aware of the artifice of what they are doing, a little too concerned with the optics, the image, the spectacle. rivals, friends, enemies - how far apart are any of those things, really? can we be friends if you desperately covet what I have? if you take pleasure at the thought of my downfall? is this oft-touted ideal of a 'respectful’ rivalry inevitably nothing but a facade for the ugly reality that lies beneath? 2004 is what happens when their relationship is actually tested - because now they are finally fighting for something real and they both know it. this is what happens in assen, when valentino decides he needs to win at any cost, when sete realises they are not playing the game by the same rules. sete had been performing graciousness and valentino calls him on his bluff
the best rivalries transform both parties; neither side should be allowed to emerge unchanged from the battle they share. sete entered valentino’s life as a competitor at a time when everything was a little too easy and as a result a little too hard for valentino. at a time when valentino felt dissatisfied, underappreciated, judged harshly from all sides and pinned down by the weight of the world’s glares. the blows sete inflicted on valentino were primarily symbolic, hurting valentino’s pride and reputation rather than his title bid in 2003, which was never under any realistic threat. when valentino was at his lowest that season, he responded by bringing the joy back, reverting to type, with a new haircut and an ironic gag of a celebration and a daring victory to boot. in 2004, however, valentino changed. he had to - he was on a worse bike than his opponents that he was wrestling towards a title it had no right to be winning that year. he didn’t have the kind of margin for error any more that he could afford in his honda years, no more foolishness like at the sachsenring. so he became a little tougher and a little meaner and a lot more aggressive in his racing. he shed some of the insouciance that both him and sete have at times been accused of and got down to the serious business of winning. not joylessly - after all there are few things more enjoyable than crushing the enemy. still, it’s fine to be a clown prince in your downtime, not when you’re barging title rivals aside in assen
it is here, then, at assen, that sete makes a critical, fatal mistake. because sete is torn in two: he wants to be the gracious rival, but he also thinks what valentino did is wrong and wants to communicate as much to the world. maybe it’s because it clashes with sete’s understanding of racing, maybe it’s simply because sete is bitter that he lost - who’s to say. except sete can’t bring himself to actually say any of this. he chooses the worst possible strategy against valentino: silent disapproval and annoyance and frustration, played up for the television cameras, but without offering a single word of actual complaint until later, when valentino had already offered his explanations and half-apologies. so what valentino takes away from this is twofold. for one, he comes to believe that sete has a problem with his racing and cannot graciously accept his defeat, entirely failing to match valentino’s magnanimity on the (rare) occasions when he loses. but unfortunately for sete, what valentino also learns is that - when it comes down to it - sete will not stand up for himself. valentino knows he can do this again
in sepang sete attempts to take the high ground once more, to allow valentino his transgressions and foibles and temper, to be calm in the face of vale’s fury, to be the better man. in australia sete pulls himself together to shake hands with valentino, to be respectful of his rival’s accomplishments and graceful in defeat, to be the better man. in jerez sete is beyond angry, furious enough to actually approach valentino in parc fermé and say a few words to him, but he still shakes valentino’s hand on the podium and refuses to complain directly about him in the press conference - because he is determined to be the better man. does he think he can shame valentino into being different from what he is? if so, it is an unfortunate miscalculation. you cannot claim a moral victory against somebody who does not give a shit
for valentino, at least half the joy of racing has always been about beating the opposition. a new rival is presented to him out of nowhere - and out of him valentino fashions himself an enemy. sete was one of the first people to offer valentino advice when vale entered the premier class, but this was not the last thing valentino learned from him. because what valentino did to gibernau was different than what he did to biaggi. this was not just trying to get a rise out of a bloke he disliked every time he got half a chance. this was not valentino slowly chipping away at his victim’s patience and self-control and sanity. what valentino does to gibernau is far more sudden and far more targeted and gets a far more immediate effect. he emerges from qatar weakened and on the back foot and within eight days flips the situation so that he is once again the one in command. sete, who had very much exerted himself in presenting the relationship in a certain way to the world, who wanted so badly for this to be a certain kind of rivalry, ever so respectful - well, valentino found out just where to hurt him. he did it with his sudden public coldness towards sete, with carefully chosen remarks to the press to make clear that nothing had been forgiven, with the jibes and the taunts at each and every stage of his victory. he married the off-track theatre with on-track strategy as well as pure performance, directly disrupting and disturbing sete whenever necessary - the kind of combination he would later find so useful in fending off first casey then lorenzo. it’s no coincidence that his three most famous career overtakes are ones that are also so significant in how they affected valentino’s fortunes in the aftermath of his victory. laguna 2008 and catalunya 2009 represent complete shifts in momentum within their respective seasons that his rivals never quite recovered from. jerez 2005 ends the title battle at the very first race. and it’s not just sete’s season that didn’t recover - it’s his career
of course, it’s easier to mess with someone when you have the measure of them in performance. that’s always something to keep in mind when talking about mental resilience: it’s easier to bounce back from your rival being an asshole to you if you’re just really, really good at what you do. valentino always understood himself that any 'mind games’ had to be backed up by on-track performance; he’s openly stated that all of his off-track “work” on his opponents only gets results if it’s paired with being strong on the bike. and he himself lost his cool in qatar - but it helped that he knew he had what it took to bounce back. this was never a rivalry of equals; there was never any question between the two of them who the better rider was. all that being said: it’s a really good rivalry! guys, there’s some really great races. sete was a serious challenger and he did pose a serious threat to valentino, which you can tell because otherwise valentino never would have needed to do any of this. he made valentino grow as a rider and… do you make someone 'grow as a person’ if you make them better at psychological warfare? yes, I think so. actually
valentino became a more accomplished rider for having experienced the sachsenring debacle, and he became a more accomplished rider as a result of the qatar fiasco. he motivated himself to become better because he wanted to defeat sete so badly, and isn’t there something compelling about that? valentino was willing to take risks at phillip island that could have resulted in a title decider, was willing to make himself extremely unpopular with the spanish crowd at jerez (not something he has typically had much experience with) - all because he needed to crush sete, to destroy him so completely he could erase him entirely. at the end of the day, there’s a bunch of reasons why this rivalry doesn’t get the attention it deserve. one of them, however, is that valentino seems to be pretty happy with this state of affairs, and has spent the better part of two decades deeply disinterested in paying sete his dues. don’t let him have his way
Jerez | Estoril 2005: On the way to the podium at Jerez, Valentino Rossi gestures with a grin at Sete Gibernau, who is hobbling up the stairs and clutches his arm in visible discomfort. At the pre-event press conference for the next race at Estoril, Rossi comments again on the race and the resulting controversy - and says he was not aware of Gibernau's pre-existing shoulder troubles.
As a result of the last corner Jerez collision, Gibernau “acquired a lesion to the rotator cuff of his left shoulder and to the tendon which will require rest and treatment". He did race in Estoril, crashing out of the lead.
Brno 2003: Sete Gibernau sprays champagne at race winner Valentino Rossi, who is holding up his ball and chain that symbolises how he is 'condemned to win'.
From Rossi's autobiography:
In the summer of 2003, HRC sent over new exhaust pipes. I chose not to use it, precisely because I was sick and tired of hearing that I had an edge over everybody else. But, partly because of the stress, partly because I was also in negotiations with Yamaha, Honda and Ducati, I was in far from perfect form. Sometimes I would lose concentration and make mistakes. When I famously missed that turn in Barcelona and ended up in the run-off area, it was a result of the fact that I was napping behind Capirossi. This incident, and others, caused people to say that my bike was so much better that I could afford the luxury of sitting back and simply turning on the juice late in the race, beating everyone in the final lap.
Obviously this was not the case. If I have the chance to pull away, I pull away. Always. Because if you hold out for the last lap you're taking a huge risk: you might finish second! Whereas if you can pull away at an earlier point in the race, you can avoid trouble later on.
I only ever sit and wait when there is no alternative. That's when, for me, lying in wait is a good tactic and the best way to win. In Germany, for example, I made a mistake on the last lap and Gibernau made me pay for it. But it's not as if I was planning to wait for the end, as a way of humiliating my opponents. I simply made the mistake of not passing him earlier, so that I could then build a gap. It was a tactical error. After losing that race in that way, because of a distraction, I got so angry that on my way home I told myself, "Enough! From now on, I'm taking no prisoners!" So from that moment on I raced with the aim of dominating every lap and I won five of the last six races of the season. The only one where I finished second was the Grand Prix of the Pacific, in Motegi. But as you know, that day I raced after getting virtually no sleep the night before, because that was the night I had decided to leave Honda. As you can imagine, I wasn't totally focused, to say the least.
The race at the Sachsenring in 2003 was a particularly painful loss. Rossi had overtaken Gibernau on the penultimate corner, but had made a mistake into the final corner that let Gibernau get a better run to the line and beat him by a mere 0.06 seconds. He was criticised by the Italian press in the aftermath, as had become increasingly common that year. Despite leading the championship by a healthy margin, this was widely perceived to be a weaker season than his overwhelmingly dominant 2002, not least because he had achieved only three race victories to Gibernau's four. He had already felt disillusioned with Honda from the start of the year, sick of a culture of winning he found as oppressive as it was relentless. Sachsenring was the last race before the summer break, and he went off to Ibiza to clear his head and get a new haircut.
^The new haircut in question.
Excerpt from the Brno race commentary:
Rossi hasn’t won for four races*. He is desperate to win here this weekend. He turned up at the circuit this Thursday with a bright red haircut that he got on the beach at Ibiza - he was feeling very jovial, very relaxed, and… Well, it’s been suggested in some quarters that it’s a psychological thing he’s trying to pull on the other riders, because he’s coming under mounting pressure from the press and the fans - and Rossi just wanting to show he’s still the party animal he always was and he’s having fun out there on the bike.
*His results during that time were P2 P3 P3 P2.
Fresh from his time off, Rossi got involved in a tight five-way battle with Bayliss, Gibernau, Biaggi (in the first half of the race), and Capirossi. His victory was far from inevitable, and when Rossi managed to get in front for the first time he was unable to make a break for it. After the group of riders fought it out for most of the race, the contest for the win eventually came down to a direct duel between Rossi and Gibernau. With one and a half laps to go, Rossi ran it wide and let Gibernau get back in front once again - and made another mistake that seemed to give Gibernau the decisive advantage. Rossi made the overtake for the win with only a few corners to go.
^Gibernau congratulating Rossi, at a time when the two were still good friends. According to the commentary, the two of them had partied together over the summer break on Ibiza.
^From Rossi's autobiography: "This gag was supposed to be ironic, underscoring my situation with Honda. Everybody expected victory from me. So I was a condemned man, condemned to win..." (See here for gifs of the celebration.)
Rossi finished 0.042s ahead of Gibernau, with another close run to the line... so the elaborate celebrations could very easily have not come to pass. He ended up breaking the circuit record on the last lap - and went on to win all but one of the remaining races that season.
From Mat Oxley's Valentino Rossi: All His Races:
And then his first post-race theatrics in a while: he wore a prison inmate's hat and ball and chain to poke fun at the Italian media. "They said I was in crisis because I'd been beaten at the last four races. Leading the championship and finishing on the podium obviously isn't enough for them, so now I must work on the chain gang!"
And beneath the striped cap was a new red hairdo, which restarted the Ducati rumours. In fact, nothing could have been further from the truth. During a secret midnight meeting in the paddock, Vale told Yamaha that he would ride for them in 2004.
An excerpt from the commentary at the next race in Estoril:
Well Valentino Rossi arrived in Brno three weeks ago with a bright red hairstyle and a lot of criticism from the Italian press saying he wasn't as focused as he had been last year; he'd just lost that race at the Sachsenring in Germany. He's fought back in the best possible way.
^Rossi's fans at Sepang 2003.
When he sealed the title in Sepang that year, he brought back the convict celebrations, this time equipped with a big novelty lock and key - so that he could free himself of his shackles at last. He left Honda at the end of the year to embark on a new adventure with Yamaha.
At the start of 2003 there was only one thing that was clear to me: I was not happy at Honda. I say again, I was simply not happy. The main reason for my discontent was their philosophy, which was so different from mine. I no longer wanted to live in that environment and I was no longer going to put up with a situation where my merits were not recognised, where I lived in a tense bubble, under constant pressure. Particularly for me, a person who loves to feel his team and his teammates embracing him, who wants to see them suffer with me and rejoice with me, it was hard to accept that the idea of "team spirit" was totally alien to Honda.
I need to feel part of a group and, at Honda, there no longer was a group to be part of. The situation was so bad that the unthinkable was happening: I was no longer enjoying racing . It seemed impossible to me. Impossible and unthinkable. And yet that's exactly what was happening. I remember sitting there and looking over the pre-contract which Honda had offered me. I immediately felt a bad taste in my mouth. I thought back to those people who have to get up and go to work every day, punch a time card, oppressed by working hours, their boss, their colleagues, trapped in a senseless job they don't like and a life they don't love. You can't live like that, not if you're a MotoGP rider.
My priority was always the group. By this, I mean the people with whom I have interacted - including work - since the days back in 125cc. In my racing pits I want people whom I can love, people with whom I can talk about things other than bikes, people who smile. One of the reasons I became disenchanted with HRC was the way you had to live within that team. There was a rigour, a discipline, which stifled the will to laugh and joke. And I'm just not comfortable in such an environment, one where people are unable to even smile.
I need around me a group where everyone expresses basic human emotions like gratitude and participation. Joy, enthusiasm, shared experience. Otherwise, I can't claim to be in a truly united team. We were winners, sure, and this might have been enough for the Japanese managers, but it was not enough for me. I want to do things and enjoy myself while I do them. And that means I want to win while having fun. If I can combine the two, winning and fun, I can achieve everything.
At Honda I was number one, true. Except Honda management and I had a very different definition of what being "number one" meant. To them, all it meant was that I got to try out the technical upgrades a few weeks before the others: new material would come in, I'd test it, develop it and then, once it was ready, everybody else got it. What they were never able to understand - especially my rival Honda riders, who made such a big issue out of it - was that my bike was never that much better than any other Honda. By the end of 2003 my RCV, compared to Gibernau and Biaggi, had an additional 250 laps on it. That's it. Nothing more.
I know all too well just why this was: at Honda, what was important was proving that the in-house technology was better, so that they could then transfer it from racing bikes to roadbikes. At Honda, it was all about proving that winning was all about the bike. That's why it was so important to finish first, second and third. And that's why the other Honda bikes were virtually just as good as mine. It always was that way and it remained that way even after I left.
By 2003 Honda had entered into a spiralling cycle: when you keep winning year after year, winning by itself isn't enough - you have to dominate. Being used to winning, having that culture of victory, does have many positives of course, but I found it almost depressing. In 2003, at the peak of our success, when we were virtually unbeatable, I started to get the sense that by winning I was only doing my job. And that was it. Nobody would celebrate, nobody would go wild. It was just another win.
And it did not matter if I won or if Biaggi or Gibernau won, because we were all Honda guys. In fact, if they won it was even better, because that way they could prove that their "unofficial" bikes were just as good. I realised this on my own, but I wanted to be sure, so I asked them straight out. And I heard it direct from Honda management.
"Well, yes, our objective is to always win first, second and third in every race," I was told. "We want three Hondas on the podium, always!"
And they said this without batting an eyelid, as if it was the most natural thing. And in terms of results, it was, it happened quite often at Honda. Perhaps the other Honda riders were never seemed too interested in this attitude. Biaggi and Gibernau seemed obsessed with proving that my bike was better than theirs and that was the only reason I won. They must have known as well as anyone that the only difference were those 250 laps and they could not explain the gap between myself and them, yet, naturally, they would never admit it.
Valentino Rossi in his 2005 autobiography, What if I had never tried it
In 1996 Vale raced a rotary-valve 125cc two-stroke that weighed 70kg and was good for 140mph/225kph. In the year he reached his retirement age he raced a 1,000cc four-stroke that weighed nearly 160kg and nudged 220mph/350kph.
It is inevitable that such motorcycles need to be ridden in different ways. The essential difference between racing a low-powered bike and a high-powered bike is the speed the rider uses through corners.
The best way to achieve fast lap times on a lightweight bike with relatively little horsepower - like a 125 or 250 - is to use as much corner speed as possible, by taking flowing lines through the turns.
On the other hand, a 500 or a MotoGP bike has a lot of horsepower (too much, in fact!), which if used correctly has a huge effect on lap times. Therefore Vale had to change the way he attacked corners when he graduated to the premier class in 2000.
After his first few races on a 500 he understood that the secret to a fast lap time on a big bike was to focus on corner exit, so he could unleash the engine's power as soon as possible. This required sacrificing corner speed, the gain in acceleration in corner exit more than compensating for the loss of time in the middle of the corner.
"You need to go slow mid-corner, then lift up the bike really quickly and give gas when you are on the fatter part of the rear tyre," he said. "If you don't get it right, you're either slow or you crash."
The first man to set him right was rival Sete Gibernau. Vale had a lot of crashes during the winter of 1999/2000, because he was trying to ride the bike like it was a 250, using flowing cornering lines on the edge of the tyre. Gibernau told him what to do, but like any keen young racer, Vale ignored the advice and kept falling off.
Gibernau was correct, however. The 500 had double the power of a 250 - about 180 horsepower - and a two-stroke engine delivers power and torque in an aggressive and unpredictable way, so it's asking for trouble to swoop through corners on the edge of the tyres and then open the throttle.
Mat Oxley’s Valentino Rossi: All His Races
At the time, I was falling a lot. And for many different reasons. Part of it had to do with my style in 250. In 250cc you can go into a turn bent right over and you can even open the throttle all the way on the turn, accelerating as you go through it. OK, it's not the easiest thing to do but it was possible and many of us had mastered it. You can forget about doing things like that on a 500cc. One of the problems with the 500 is that, at first, you feel totally confident. That's what happened to me. I felt very sure of myself, I pushed ahead, keeping my 250cc style. And, as a result, I kept falling off.
It happened in my second test, at Phillip Island. And it was a very bad fall. Gibernau had come up to me before the test and actually warned me: "Look, you bend the bike too much, treat it as if it was a 250cc. You can't do that. You should use your body more rather than bending the bike."
"Gee, thanks, yeah, I'll do that..." I replied, not really taking him too seriously. I asked myself, "Who is this Gibernau who thinks he can tell me how to race?"
Of course, I paid no attention to him. And that was a big mistake. Two hours later I had a terrible spill. I was going very fast and, all of a sudden, I felt the rear tyre lift itself off the track and the next thing I knew I was flying through the air. It was an incredible flight. When I finally landed it was with the kind of thud I'm sure to remember for a very long time.
Valentino Rossi in his 2005 autobiography, What if I had never tried it
A friend of mine told me that, in one of the final races of 2003, when my move to Yamaha was the favourite talking point all over the paddock, he ran into Gibernau who was watching footage of me laughing on a video monitor.
"You'll see, next year when he's on the Yamaha and the bike is slipping all over the place and he's landing on his rear end, he won't be laughing quite so much," my friend heard Gibernau say.
When this story was told to me, I had no idea that I would actually win the same number of races - nine - that I won the previous year on the Honda. I couldn't imagine that we would spend the whole year at the head of the pack, pulling away.
But I did know something for sure: I would do something that would make history in this sport.
That's why that first race at Welkom was the most important of my career. Because it was my first with Yamaha. Because I battled until the last turn with Biaggi. Because he and I were so fast that Gibernau, who finished third, might as well have been racing another championship. As for the guy who finished fourth, well, he had virtually disappeared. Ultimately, I had proven what I had set out to prove: the importance of man over machine. That's what it was all about and my win at Welkom confirmed this.
Valentino Rossi in his 2005 autobiography, What if I had never tried it
Saturday afternoon I ran into Gibernau in the paddock.
"I heard that tomorrow HRC are having a press conference," he said.
"That's right, just after the race," I replied.
"You'll say you're staying at Honda, won't you?" he asked.
"No, actually. I'll announce I'm moving to Yamaha," I answered.
I saw a flash in his eyes. First astonishment, then happiness. I could tell he had done some quick thinking and figured that it would only be good for him. He reckoned that I wouldn't do much on a Yamaha. I could read it on his face, just as I later could read it in the faces of so many other people who doubted me and my choice.
Valentino Rossi in his 2005 autobiography, What if I had never tried it
Sepang 2004: Sete Gibernau is interrogated about his involvement in Valentino Rossi's back-of-the-grid penalty for the race in Qatar. He is also asked about his relationship with Rossi going forwards. (Part 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6)
"We never protested from our side. [...] I was the first one who said I wanted to clean my spot and not only my spot, I think it would have been a good idea to clean everyone's spot because myself being in the safety commission, I think it would have been safer. Not any advantage as far as results, but it would have been safer for everyone to clean the spot. So basically that's what I wanted to do. But I was blocked to do that. They didn't let me do that. And after that, if your question is, if I went - or anyone of myself or whoever to complain of this situation, it wasn't me. Because like I say, it would be pretty [contradictory] to try and clean and then say that I don't want to clean or that someone has done that."
"And your team was not behind it at all, even though I'm sure you're aware that one of your mechanics was called to give evidence at the protest."
"Again, I can talk for myself and from what I wanted to do or what I didn't want to do so I think if you go back there and see who made the protest, you will see who actually did it."
"It was HRC."
"Am I a HRC factory rider?"
Sepang 2004: Valentino Rossi and Sete Gibernau are questioned on whether they have put Qatar behind them. (Part 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6)
"Question for Valentino. In Qatar you say you were searching for an excuse to not talk any more with Sete. Now you have changed your mind."
"No, was last week, now we are in a new race and we start from zero."
"Valentino you said that's last week and that's how you felt last week and we put all that behind us. How do you feel this week, are you talking to Sete this week?"
"No, no, I don't say all is past. I already say what I think last week. And I remain in my position, but I have nothing more to say. I think the situation that happens [...] in Qatar for me was very clear and I say what I think about all the people around this situation and finish."
Sepang 2004: Sete Gibernau on the race ahead and Valentino Rossi's comments after Qatar. (Part 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6)
"We all know Valentino. I know how he really is, he's a good guy. And whatever he said, I don't take into account. Because racing is very cruel and I have been in his situation and it's not easy. "
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(link) a gif from 2015 of... actually, I think it's probably fine to include the gif as long as it's linked to the original? full credit to the-rossi-posse obviously, much appreciated
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and, well, this is clearly correct. there's plenty of toxicity in motogp, but 'toxic yuri' is its own specific thing with its own specific set of tropes and themes attached. which are very obviously on full display here. first off, the valentino and uccio dynamic is toxic yuri staple. a childhood friendship that becomes a lifelong bond that at its core is fantastically codependent. valentino is not the most trusting soul but he trusts uccio completely and without restraint. uccio would quite literally burn the world for valentino. valentino relies on uccio to keep him grounded, keep him sane and tethered to what he came from - someone who actually knew him as a person before he became valentino the character. a character the whole world thinks belongs to them... how easy it could be to lose yourself in that. and uccio would follow valentino anywhere - his entire life is centred around valentino, to the point where he has subsumed his identity entirely in this role of 'valentino's friend', 'valentino's confidante', 'valentino's assistant', 'valentino's lackey'. toxic yuri is all about intense codependent dynamics, a pair who cannot bear to be separated, who rely completely on each other not just in practical matters but also in their sense of identity, their sense of meaning... it's capturing the intensity of the prototypical female friendship, right, and ramping it up to the max - and the devotion is such that at least one half of the pair would be willing to do quite literally anything for the other. see also: uccio and valentino not talking for a month when they were 16 because valentino romantically pursued someone uccio was interested in, during which time uccio deliberately knocked valentino off his bike and injured him? almost feels cliche. dramatic friendship breakups due to romantic competition that lead to somewhat excessive acts of vengeance are... look. they're toxic yuri
and then there's the sete/valentino rivalry, which also just happens to be the valentino feud that is the most toxic yuri-coded. their first recorded interaction is them spending a week together at kr sr's training ranch in 1998, sete teaching valentino the art of rear wheel steering and all that... and then a year later, it's the older, well-educated and well-spoken sete reaching out to valentino and offering him some advice about how to ride the 500cc bikes at valentino's first test. this is the moment where valentino essentially steps up into the adult world - and sete's counsel is part of that introduction (enough so for the episode to warrant a rare sete mention in valentino's autobiography). valentino is still so young and cocky and rough around the edges that he ignores sete's advice and gets a bunch of nasty crashes for his troubles... sete is mature, gives off the vibe of someone who feels he is somewhat above the primal nastiness of his peers, wryly amused at whatever dramatics he is watching unfold. he is also clearly amused by lively young valentino and his antics, enough for them to have struck up a friendship at some point between 2000 and 2003. partying in ibiza together during the summer break with one of your competitors? extremely toxic yuri-coded. again, it's this fondness, this sense of taking this wild kid under your wing... it's not an intense friendship per se but it is an intense friendship when they make the transition from competitors to rivals. sete's the one who inflicts on valentino his first... actually, come to think of it, only string of wheel to wheel defeats in proper duels valentino's had in his premier class career. he's the one who's initially getting under valentino's skin, not vice versa. and while valentino is still in relative command of the championship... there's still this feeling he's been taught a lesson. and it's not a nice feeling! the time between sachsenring 2003, valentino's most painful 1vs1 loss that left him feeling like an idiot, and brno 2003, where he reverses that loss... in that summer break, he's once again with sete on ibiza, he's getting his hair dyed red, he's reinventing himself after this painful defeat... idk man. getting some toxic yuri set-up vibes here
sete's amusement at valentino's prisoner celebrations at brno 2003? more of the same. I can't actually remember another example of a fellow competitor engaging so much with one of valentino's pre-planned celebrations. sete is clearly interested in the convict's garb and actually like... kicks the ball valentino is carrying around with him when they're standing on the podium. without delving into any other possible subtext of valentino putting himself in chains, it's just notable that you have this like... playful engagement. not mocking, not condescending, but certainly a rider who believes himself to be sophisticated and composed enough to be gently amused by these antics rather than actually being affected by them. sete's not like biaggi, you see - he'd never let himself get annoyed to the point of distraction by valentino's antics, he'd never let a rivalry get so uncivilised, he knows how to handle this kid. the judas kiss sete gives valentino when he seals the 2003 title? judas kisses, in the least blasphemous way possible, are low key kind of toxic yuri-coded. and gradually, this relationship is being transformed by an unexpected competitive edge... the innocence of the initial friendship, where neither of them would realistically have expected to be fighting for titles, is gradually being eaten away at. we've introduced a note of envy into proceedings, wherein valentino takes note of how sete complains about how parts are allocated within honda and assesses just how much he's going to interpret this as a personal attack. valentino is told by friends that sete watched him laughing on tv and said valentino wouldn't be laughing so much next year, valentino detects glee in sete when he informs sete that he will be departing honda. suddenly, the playful dynamic is inflected with a wrinkle of condescension after all - of sete thinking valentino is overestimating himself, is in over his head, will get the joy knocked out of him soon enough. valentino knowing that sete covets what he has... that for all the pretence of a friendly, respectful, sophisticated rivalry, in truth this rivalry is just as hateful as all the rest of them
and now we can finally get to the toxic bit (always my favourite). the thing about toxic yuri is that it takes a lot of potentially negative things that are generally coded feminine and essentially takes them to their natural conclusions - lets us actually have some fun with the whole thing. sete and valentino are both deeply preoccupied with image, sete in particular is seen as vain and self-obsessed (cf the comic described by the assen 2004 commentary joking that valentino could beat sete by attaching a mirror to the back of his bike)... obviously an unpleasantly gendered element to all this.... but, well, let's have some fun with it - the point is that sete is clinging onto an image that is increasingly far from the reality of their situation. sete thinks this is a respectful friendly rivalry right until the second that it isn't, all the while unwittingly planting the seeds of his own downfall. he makes snide comments about how the italians must have done a rain dance to hand valentino the victory at mugello, he reacts with a cold blankness to valentino almost knocking him off on the last lap of assen... not willing to openly state his grievances, either to valentino directly or in the press conference with valentino sitting next to him, only able to openly state later that he is angry when valentino has already offered his explanation for the incident. it's all very indirect, aloof - sete thinks he's too good for angry outbursts, wants to be more sophisticated than that, but in doing so carries himself in a manner that increasingly reads as dishonest to valentino. they do not party together at ibiza that summer, for the friendship is beginning to fray... but neither of them will openly acknowledge it. tags under the mugello post:
the 'stunt' in question, incidentally, was valentino playing doctor on his yamaha at catalunya, declaring his bike fully fit after beating sete in another dramatic duel in front of sete's home crowd. 2004 is about putting on a show! 'what a spectacle', right, it's about image and performance and hidden truths. about appearances and reality and the tension between the two, etc etc. and then when it comes to a head at qatar, the whole thing is extremely smoke and mirrors - a game of who said what about the clandestine manipulation of the starting grid under the cover of night, who exactly reported what and for what reason and who formally made the complaint and so on... accusations flying everywhere, from every side. valentino's weekend goes up in flames, he coldly smiles in interviews as he talks about the treachery of sete and his crew chief - and then to cap it all off, he puts a curse on sete. curses. you will find. are extremely toxic yuri. valentino practised witchcraft to torment and ruin his rival because he felt betrayed. that's toxic yuri, baby
everything about sepang 2004 is obviously also toxic yuri. we have a press conference that very much doubles as a friendship breakup, and it's the specific vibe of the friendship that tips it into toxic yuri territory. valentino ignoring sete as he enters the room!! sete publicly insisting that the relationship between them is fine, until it becomes extremely obvious that it is not fine!! "in qatar you say you were searching for an excuse to not talk any more with sete" is quite frankly quite possibly the most toxic yuri-coded question anyone has ever been asked in a press conference. just two girls being a little bit dramatic about whether they're still on speaking terms or not and making it everyone's business, while also fighting for a world title. this valentino expression while sete is calling him a 'good guy' -
- and this sete expression when valentino essentially confirms that he has not, in fact, moved on -
- again. I think this is about as close as anyone can get to toxic yuri within the constraints of motogp. they really went as far as it is possible to go here. I cannot explain this to you with actual facts and logic BUT there is something supremely toxic yuri about valentino's post-race celebrations at sepang... how he literally ignores sete attempting to shake his hand on the cooldown lap and then goes all in with the humiliation of the grid sweeping celebrations? idk it's just so mean girl-y, like why are you using the seven days between races to come up with custom shirts in order to mock your ex-friend. who does that. focus on fixing your finger. the phillip island duel is the natural continuation of that, valentino taking risks it is unreasonable to take at this stage of the championship because he has to stop sete from winning again, followed by his 'che spettacolo' helmet. like, the glory of this whole stretch of races is this intermarriage of the joy and the cruelty, where these aren't just two separate sides of valentino but they are instead the same side, inextricably linked. it's a show, he's having fun, look at how thrilled he is... sete's there somewhere too btw, thoroughly tormented
downright angelic while at his most malicious? that's what we in the business call toxic yuri
the commentariat at jerez 2005 thinking sete should have punched valentino in parc fermé, or at the very least threatened him, whereas sete instead goes for this sort of dignified silence as he clutches at his arm in pain... valentino breaking the fourth wall to gesture at sete and grin at the camera as they walk to the podium... it's mean - and again, it's all so PERFORMATIVE. playing to the spectators, always!! how indirect it all is - compare that to the most infamous podium staircase interaction between valentino and biaggi, where valentino just straight up punched biaggi. see how sete still can't quite allow himself to stoop to valentino's level, and how he pays the price. how valentino leverages sete's attachment to image against him. and all against the backdrop of bitterness and hurt and this old bond between them twisted into something uglier and ultimately irreparable... the commentators at mugello 2006 chatting about how valentino and sete couldn't even be IN THE SAME ROOM to do press, "because they didn’t feel comfortable around each other"!! a friendship breakup so toxic it has become literally everyone else's problem. joyful nights spent together on ibiza now turned into this mutual unbridled hatred and contempt. valentino's vicious desire for vengeance unravelling sete's whole career. it's how FAR valentino goes, like toxic yuri needs to be over-the-top and destructive for someone and... well, it sure was for sete. valentino ruined him!! take that for consequences. their earlier dynamic, where sete could still be aloof and amused, is unravelled - now, instead, he is being ritually humiliated, no hope of pretending to remain detached from what is being done to him. sete did not know valentino was capable of doing something like this, certainly did not think valentino would do that to him... but when pushed, valentino transformed in front of sete's very own eyes and gleefully trapped sete in a living nightmare. sete saw a new side of valentino at the precise moment when it was already too late
which is how we get to the gif. this is now years later, of course, after sete and valentino's supposed detente in 2009. in truth, neither of them had moved on from what happened. they still haven't moved on... neither of them will ever truly forgive or forget. like, this is 2015 catalunya, right - just for reference, it is a mere three races after valentino refers to sete's 'dirty games' in a press conference. the intricacies of their post-rivalry relationship is a topic for another day, but there still is an element of... well, show. of performance. of both of them playing at having moved on from what happened... they have somewhat different motivations here, go about it in slightly different ways - but for all intents and purposes, they are in alignment here. they both don't have any real interest in publicly reawakening the feud, both of them want to paper over their continued bitterness towards each other. always attached to image, always paying attention to how they are being perceived... which makes it so fitting that valentino punishes sete by essentially erasing him from the story altogether, obviously most noticeably in his autobiography. if anything, the indirectness makes the whole thing even nastier. there is something more dignified about being openly, honestly despised
so here, then, we have the meeting between these two grand toxic yuri narratives... sete chatting to valentino in the yamaha garage before uccio shows up and seems to slightly push back sete - away from valentino - in essence inserting themselves between them. valentino continues talking while it's happening, though his gaze tracks the motion. at the end of the gif, both sete and valentino go in for a hug. and still, next to them, there is uccio... who was of course by valentino's side for this entire story, from the time valentino initially befriended sete to the moment when valentino pledged to destroy him - quite literally, given valentino made his promise to uccio (and davide brivio) that sete would not win another race. uccio's there organising the shirts and helping come up with the sweeping celebrations and all of it. he's the one who is always wariest of valentino getting too close to his rivals... which, well, this is inescapably a very toxic yuri-coded pattern of behaviour. it's the immediate urge to defend valentino from his old enemy, the desire to keep the pair of old friends apart - valentino noticing it but not reacting in any way. the possessiveness of the gesture!! literally one of THE defining toxic yuri tropes. uccio is the one guarding valentino from threats, always, protecting valentino while simultaneously keeping valentino for himself. and if valentino ever even considered forgiving sete, uccio certainly would not - because any injury inflicted upon valentino is treated as more grievous than if it had befallen uccio himself. uccio, barely able to tolerate the proximity between the two of them. valentino, who has come to implicitly and completely trust uccio to have his back. sete, whose gaze also follows uccio's hand - who is chatting with a polite smile to the man who repeatedly humiliated him. the pair of them, valentino and uccio, operating in perfect harmony as they form a united front in all of their schemes and machinations. and sete the interloper - who was once valentino's friend and thought he would be spared the sort of behaviour valentino levied at biaggi, only to be treated to worse. the threat posed by sete has long passed, but uccio for one is never going to forget it. rivals may come and go, but uccio remains
in conclusion. this gif. is toxic yuri. obviously, there is more than one way to do toxic yuri. terrible relationships between women can take many forms #feminism. but the term in its conventional usage does bring with it a particular vibe... codependency, possessiveness, a certain level of obsession. guarding what is yours. making each other WORSE. the absolute blind faith of knowing the other will always look out for you. alternatively, when it's toxic yuri in an adversarial relationship... well, the toxicity still comes from the intimacy - at one point, there was genuine friendship, even if it has now been ruined beyond repair. emotions intense enough that affection can easily become hatred... until all that is left is a desire for revenge. in all cases, these are relationships with disastrous consequences for someone. and if you arrange things correctly and get yourself a triangle, you can unlock bonus levels of toxicity. congrats to these three! also, and I cannot stress this enough, there's a CURSE. curses are toxic yuri. I rest my case
okay. um. the slight problem I have is that... the amount of thought I've put into ~pokemon for aliens~ as a concept ranges from 'fully thought out pokemon teams (multiple)' for casey and valentino and 'precisely zero' for all the other aliens. it's basically a thought experiment I've only run for that one specific rivalry where you get into like... match-ups between the different teams... and then there's the matter of how you philosophically approach pokemon au's - whether you go 'imagine if people irl had pokemon' or whether you fully invest in the setting - which also has implications for pokemon choice. I like thinking through both regionally agnostic pokemon teams where you basically have a free pick, or ones where you try to think what makes sense in a specific story progression similar to what you'd get in a pokemon game. BUT let's put all that aside and just... pick one starter pokemon for each of the aliens. their first lil guy
casey - eevee
the pick that prompted this ask. counting eevee as a starter is kinda marginal, apparently it was one in... pokemon xd: gale of darkness...? which I have obviously never played. but my first pokemon game was mystery dungeon (blue rescue team) and it's one of the 'starters' in that. and,, look, I want eevee to fulfil the starter plot function for casey by being the first pokemon casey befriends, so. we are counting eevee
as any fan of the franchise knows, eevee is a pretty unique pokemon. it has like... an 'unstable/irregular genetic structure' that means that is influenced by its environment in how it evolves. it is the pokemon with all the potential... it could be anything. it can evolve into one of eight different eeveelutions, all with different types
some of its pokedex entries:
the quintessential mutant pokemon! a bit weird and special! can adapt to pretty much every environment it ends up living in. it's very casey idk,, adaptation is his trademark trait. his ability to respond to any possible challenge, to compensate for any problems - the natural talent that provides him with such flexibility in his skillset as a rider. like eevee, he's all about potential!! I also like how eevee starts as a normal-type pokemon that basically just looks like an ordinary animal at first glance. a cute woodland creature, a cross between a fox and a rabbit. you wouldn't see it and immediately think it can help you unlock some of life's greatest mysteries. but it can!! casey believes in it from the start and gets very prickly if anyone else underestimates his pokemon. plus, starters are obviously generally quite cuddly and kid-friendly, but eevee in particular does just properly look like a pet you might feasibly have. I am pro casey having a creature that can sit in his lap and provide emotional support
in general, obviously no pokemon species needs One Single Characterisation... for all of these, you do want a bit of individual personality for the pokemon that reflects how it bonds to its specific trainer. though you do usually get a bit of guidance for common personality features, certain associations and key traits. I don't feel like there's anything particularly established with eevee, so we can just play it by ear for this one. I think casey's eevee should be a little proud, very stubborn, not always the friendliest to strangers but extremely outwardly affectionate with casey. maybe a bit hot-and-cold, somewhat unstable in its temperament in line with its whole schtick as a genetically unstable pokemon. (my preferred annoying valentino character trait in pokemon!verse is that he is very good at getting other people's pokemon to adore him. draw whatever conclusions you wish to about what implications that might have for this particular dynamic.) I wouldn't... prescribe casey one set eeveelution... like it kinda depends on team composition, right, the whole point is that it can fulfil lots of different functions. my preferred options tend to be glaceon, as a sort of reserved, hardy (albeit pig-headed) companion that learns to balance out casey's hothead tendencies - or jolteon, which goes in the complete opposite direction and is extremely sensitive and moody and a bit difficult to deal with. but, again. the whole point is allowing for flexibility here. this pokemon can adapt to all sorts of harsh environments... all about capturing casey's raw potential, while also providing him with a friendly and affectionate companion who can ground him. one day, when casey has retired from the battle trainer profession as a renowned champion, he ends up on a farm surrounded by like a dozen baby eevee - who will eventually evolve into every type of pokemon imaginable. for now, they're too busy jumping all over him
valentino - chimchar
obviously a single pokemon doesn't have to be representative of the entire team unless you're like,, a gym trainer... and in this case specifically valentino's starter doesn't represent the pokemon types that you'd typically feature in valentino's team as a whole. in terms of basic dualism, for the casey/valentino rivalry it's ofc very much a casey fire vs valentino water situation. as their canonical colour coding helpfully reflects. BUT idk,, I feel like it takes the fun out of it to be super stringent with elemental types for starter pokemon. you want balance in your pokemon teams anyway, the water/psychic/ghost types can come later. and in terms of Vibes, I think valentino should have a little fire chimpanzee
look at it. this is a great pokemon for young valentino specifically... cheeky little rascal. it's got a fire tail that can't be extinguished even when it rains. young valentino canonically a wimp about rain, to the extent that he didn't want to leave the trailer to actually ride in races (aka his job) and had to be cajoled into doing so. (an attribute he never quite lost if you look at how he acted in some parc fermé situations over the years.) having a permanent source of heat follow him around he can cosy up to (at an angle that doesn't set his clothes on fire) can only be a good thing. the only time chimchar extinguishes its fire is when it sleeps, though the flame also grows fainter when it is sickly. and unquenchable flame is very valentino. ALSO chimchar is known for its ability to climb mountains - and I just like the idea of valentino getting a heart attack when his cute companion is halfway up an extremely steep rock face. valentino bonded 4 lyfe with a creature that puts the fear of god in him once a week. bonus points if chimchar is extremely restless and very nearly too energetic even for valentino, so valentino's trying to sleep off another late night only to wake up at eleven am and realise with horror that chimchar's trying to catch clouds again
the typical characterisation of chimchar leans into curiosity and mischief... it wants to know things, always sticking its nose in places it doesn't belong. AND it's playful, cheeky. a perfect partner in crime. a pesky little clown. this surprising clever annoying chimpanzee who can alternate between bounding around, bothering everyone in range, and clinging onto valentino as he roams the land on his adventures... the constant companion to ensure that valentino is never too lonely. trusty, unflinchingly loyal, extremely ride-or-die if not always the most obedient - it has an independence to it that garners valentino's respect, however irritating he might find it in the moment. a constant source of entertainment. prone to sitting on valentino's shoulder, and also to setting his clothes on fire
its evolutions suit valentino too:
the post-chimchar evolutions add fighting type - always up for a scrap, always up for challenging themselves with a new dangerous opponent, increasingly adept at handling themselves in combat. perceptive. resilient. fierce. let us consult bulbapedia:
'all of its limbs' 'comparable to dancing' 'flame never goes out' it all works what can I say. also! infernape isn't the tallest final evolution anyway and valentino would have like... a good sixty cm on it... but you'll also note that it has really terrible posture. like I said. valentino's perfect partner
dani - treecko
with this pick, I didn't start with treecko itself - rather, I thought about how treecko's evolutions suited dani and worked back from there. sceptile (the final evolution) to me is such a classic cool pokemon, like you just know that guy means business. sleek powerhouse. it is also a lot taller than dani and I just like the idea of this looming grass monster standing behind dani. but my real affection lies with grovyle (the second evolution), who was a major character in one of the pokemon mystery dungeon games - a time traveller attempting to save the world from an apocalyptic future where time had stopped working and was scapegoated as the culprit while working to defeat the REAL villain. long story short, grovyle was very brave and very committed but was also just like?? completely put through the wringer, like this guy simply cannot catch a break. tragic arc!! kid me was extremely invested
anyway, this is treecko
even when treecko is still small and cute, it's just a cool little fellow. the typical characterisations centre on how calm and collected treecko is... a reserved type, not prone to panic or indeed expressing any strong emotions. doesn't get intimidated or scared when facing bigger pokemon. fun giving dani a starter that exaggerates the more prickly aspects of his personality - make his treecko standoffish, verging on rude. very dismissive of those it doesn't see worthy of its attention. it comes across as too composed for this to read as shyness, though there is a little bit of that too... maybe not the best socialised pokemon. comes off as harsher as it means to, sometimes. and this is the story of how jorge lorenzo came to feel he had been mortally offended by a half metre tall creature
not quite as outwardly affectionate as some of the pairings on this list, dani and treecko have a lot of implicit trust and loyalty going for them. they very much come as A Unit - so early days when dani is still a bit more closed off to the outside world, treecko very much mirrors this. dani really only needs one confidante, everyone else is unnecessary. often a nuisance. I've already brought up the evolutions, but as a quick refresher:
cool leaf guys. towering over dani. yes. there's a real confidence and class to this pokemon post-treecko, a certain protectiveness of its trainer... proud and single-minded. perhaps even a little more assertive than dani and more willing to stand up on his behalf than he is on his own. even when they get kicked a lot by life, even when they struggle, they learn how to work through that and take pride in their successes as they come. a pairing that draws strength from the other, one that learns how to provide each other steady support and companionship. and if dani's REALLY in danger, sceptile can always pick him up and just get the fuck out of there. they'll always look out for each other
jorge - torchic
get jorge a torchic right now. right now. as stated at the top of this post, I didn't have any ideas prepared for three of the aliens, and admittedly my thought process with this one was picking dani's treecko first and then thinking about the other starter pokemon you get in the same game. which is how I got to torchic. but idc, never mind all that, I now feel very strongly about this pick
torchic is... this little warm ball... it's kinda awkward, toddling after its trainer, a bit unsteady and off-balance. not necessarily the coolest one at first glance... hey, maybe jorge wanted a treecko but dani got first pick. but once jorge commits, he really commits - and torchic are generally seen as extremely loyal to their trainers. dependent to the max. some more key details: they have a flame literally burning inside of them that makes them warm to hug. they're afraid of the dark and will cry if you leave them alone at night. they're basically very cute very cuddly wimps. jorge is initially sceptical... but once torchic worms its way into his heart, it sure does stay there. give jorge a little unconditionally loyal creature that he has to take care of and protect... let jorge do the full one eighty from being kinda unconvinced by this pokemon to being EXTREMELY defensive at anyone suggesting that there's anything wrong with being terrified of dark places. nobody else gets it... jorge knows his torchic is just misunderstood
more of a side note but. I like that I've given both yamaha teammates fire types who can keep them warm. a bit of a ~fight fire with fire~ approach to intra-garage relations. bright flames, drama, show. evENTUALLY they figure out they have a fair bit in common and don't have to try and kill each other every other week but... it takes time. there's also a bit of a superficial resemblance between both of their starters' final evolution, in colour scheme if nothing else
jorge's torchic only evolves once he's completely accepted it like it is, uncool overly affectionate wimp and all. at which point it does increasingly become the ~badass~ companion jorge had been looking for, though it never loses those early traits entirely. I also like this description of combusken's battle, like yeah sure let it be annoying and screechy:
jorge obviously canonically quite smooth and sleek on track - but again, it's fun to have a little bit of contrast too, where his starter pokemon is LOUD and DISTRACTING. he will LOSE IT if anyone calls his precious pokemon shrill and grating... people just don't get how smart it's being... (they get it, they just find it annoying anyway.) and this whole 'fire inside' thing just suits jorge... he's big on how his pokemon's fiery heart matches his own or whatever. even the torchic had PASSION. it's a proper partnership built on a mutual willingness to challenge absolutely anyone as they grow stronger and wiser together... they make for quite the pair. jorge's pokemon might never be the biggest fan of the dark, but it sure ends up being very brave about it
marc - totodile
as someone who regularly makes reference to marc's serial killer grin, it feels only right for me to assign marc a starter pokemon that can wrench open its jaw like a crocodile
totodile bites. a lot. it's not even malicious - it's playful and likes to roughhouse with everything in its vicinity. but the problem is that it has extremely powerful jaws that can chew through a LOT of things... so it might playfully bite you in a way that leaves you requiring stitches. and it also does this to its trainer! when marc is young, he's constantly getting the brunt of it, leaving him covered in bruises and worryingly gaping wounds as a result of his pokemon's affection. he never holds it against totodile, for all that a lot of those marks won't ever quite fade - he knows it doesn't mean badly. it's not generally a good idea to have your back turned to totodile and marc has to be careful to take his totodile around other people... now there you can get some nasty incidents that get marc into a lot of trouble. marc has a tendency to be quite bullish about these attacks and will always defend his pokemon, but eventually he learns to take more responsibility and totodile learns to be more careful. mainly because it doesn't like seeing marc in constant pain approaching agony
beyond these... uh, teething difficulties, totodile is fun to be around - cheerful, bright, and a steadfast companion to marc who always wants to play and have fun with him. it never quite loses these character traits in its evolutions --
-- though it does grow somewhat warier, a little more determined to protect marc from any potential attack. this evolutionary line sleeps with one eye open at all times, only ever resting half of its brain as a way of always staying on guard. croconaw have barbed fish hook teeth you can't get out once they are attached - so when it properly bites down onto something, it won't let go until it's lost its teeth. which fortunately (?) grow back fast. there is a certain reckless disregard for its own wellbeing with which marc's pokemon defends marc that does unsettle him, and he tries to dissuade his starter from regularly losing all its teeth on marc's behalf. character arc where they both have to learn to take a bit better care of themselves - for each other's sake, if nothing else. by the time marc's starter becomes a feraligatr, luckily it generally only has to open its massive jaw to intimidate foes. and when it DOES bite down on an enemy, it shakes its head around to like... idk man, just make life even worse for them? tear them asunder? not a pokemon to be messed with for sure. another one with a somewhat comical height disparity to its trainer, so marc can just show up and have an extremely scary massive crocodile as backup to glare at foes. but away from battle, it's still the playful affectionate creature it once was. just a touch more terrifying