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[somecutething]

Sometimes life is just hard.

[beekeeper614]

Thanks for enquiring but this Bitch's heart and pussy is currently closed for renovations. However financial donations are more than welcome and greatly appreciated. Thank you and have a nice day!

[apersnicketylemon]

Isn’t it funny though how pro lifers literally never change? Like literally, they keep rearguing the same damn thing over and over and over, and when you point out ‘you’re actually wrong’ they not only ignore you, they then continue rearguing a point they now know, factually, is false. 

Pro lifers don’t care about facts. If they did, they’d be pro choice. What they care about is hiding their hatred of people who can give birth behind a facade of caring and love. They even fail at that though, it falls apart pretty fast when you ask them to care about the pregnant person. 

[j-brav0]

OK by all means

“a fetus is human life”

disprove it with facts and science, go.

[apersnicketylemon]

I never argued, have never argued and will never argue that a human fetus isn’t a human, I don’t think it’s a velociraptor in there. But it’s not the argument pro choicers ever presented to begin with, thus proving my point that you aren’t willing to listen. The fact that the fetus is human has no bearing on the fact that it also doesn’t qualify as a person by any metric that exists, isn’t autonomous, and is inside a persons body. 

The fact is, that person owns their own body, and has the right to determine who may use their body, how, and for how long. If you can agree that a person who is born with a uterus is the owner of THAT uterus, you agree that they own that organ all their lives. They therefore have the right to deny the use of it to anyone or anything that they choose, at any time, for any reason. Just like they get to do the same regarding all their other organs, blood, and tissue. 

[j-brav0]

So a human being is only a “person” when they are A.) autonomous and B.) Not inside someone’s body.

Ok cool, so by that logic, every person in a coma, or every person with a mental illness like dementia isn’t a person anymore, and every opposite sex attracted male who’s been inside a woman for that time being stopped being a person as well, correct? Just by “using the metrics that exist.”? Oh let’s also not forget that applies to an embryo from the moment of conception all the way to a 9 month old infant.

I do agree that a woman has full rights and ownership to her uterus, along with every other body part. She can do whatever the hell she wants with it, not a problem. That doesn’t mean she has the right to take someone else’s life just because that life is dependent on her body. She owns her own body, but she doesn’t own somebody else’s, even if it’s inside her. Let’s not get this twisted either. This fetus, this life, is not some unwarranted intruder or parasite. It was created by choice when the woman chose to engage in intercourse, knowing the risks. Killing an unborn child because of irresponsible sex is the equivalent of inviting a stranger into your house, killing them, to then turn around and say “well it’s my house, i didn’t consent to this.”

I believe every person has full rights and ownership of their own body, no matter what. What I don’t believe is that my ownership of my own body is the-end-all-be-all justification to actively infringe upon the very lives of others.

[hogofthefuture]

A fetus and a parent can’t both have the right to the same uterus.

If the parent has the right to control her own body, that includes the right to decide what happens to her body.

If the fetus has the right to the uterus, that means that the parent does not own their own body but that it is the property of the fetus.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

The mother had the right to control her body before getting pregnant. The complete and 10000% right (excluding rape of course) not to get pregnant or not to have sex or to not make a baby.

The fetus had the right to life in her uterus if she engaged in sex that lead the fetus being inside. If you think it should be disposed of according to her will, then the fetus would be a property of the mother. And humans are not property. If you see them that way, then you can dehumanize and treat them at you will.

[themightylizardking]

Sorry babes but at the end of the day I have a right to my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

 my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

How brainwashed are you?

[themightylizardking]

I’m quite good at critical thinking and will get even better when I start law school in a few months, thanks. And here’s a little biology lesson for you. Fetuses don’t really use the actual uterus. Instead, they attach to the uterine lining and are slowly grown by leaching nutrients from a real, sentient human through it. I shed the blood and tissue of that lining every month and will continue doing so til menopause and I really don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Bruh, you are not being biologically accurate. Do you know what a fetus even is? You are not being smart, at all.

[themightylizardking]

How am I being inaccurate? What do you think a fetus is?

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Fetus: an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Do you know what does EIGHT WEEKS mean?

[themightylizardking]

Oh nope I def have no idea what 8 weeks means. Could you explain it to me? And I still don’t see why you think I don’t know what a fetus is.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Open a biology book then we’ll talk. Go away now.

[themightylizardking]

Okay bye bye good luck with your guns and misogyny uwu

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re saying this like guns are bad. Are you against women defending ourselves from rape? That’s misogyny.

[beekeeper614]

It’s misogynistic to force anything on a women, dumbass. Ur the one forcing women into shit as well, you absolute creepy bug bucket!!! Women have a right to say NO in every aspect of their body! No to grown adults using my vagina against my say!!! No to babies using my uterus against my say.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

That’s stupid, granting women spacial privileges because we have uteruses is not equality. And yes, spacial privileges to kill our biological child legally.

[beekeeper614]

It’s fucking funny you wanna keep throwing around the word “Privilege” cause the USA has a thing called Privilege Laws and they are laws granted to specific persons or classes of people or even corporations. USA has loads of privleges for specific ppl only. So yes, women should and can be granted a specific privlege to make their own fucking decisions over their reproductive health. Which is a sad Privlege to have to fight for… But in the United States you have no Privilege rights until after youre born. So there in it’s self proves my argument that I most certainly have more privileges over the unborn, and by ur standards stated above, a fetus is alive but still unborn. Thank you.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

[beekeeper614]

Me and multiple people: *give valid arguments against every scrap of garbage that has come out of your mouth*

You and other pro-lifers:

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

It’s sad that you think your dribble is valid

[beekeeper614]

It’s sad that you still want access to other women’s reproductive organs and “unborn offspring” even though they’ve told you no. Youre soooo gross and don’t even realize how perverted your thinking is.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Judging from what you’re saying, you still don’t understand or don’t want to understand what the problem with abortion is.

[beekeeper614]

Then explain the problem with abortion clearly.

[apersnicketylemon]

Isn’t it funny though how pro lifers literally never change? Like literally, they keep rearguing the same damn thing over and over and over, and when you point out ‘you’re actually wrong’ they not only ignore you, they then continue rearguing a point they now know, factually, is false. 

Pro lifers don’t care about facts. If they did, they’d be pro choice. What they care about is hiding their hatred of people who can give birth behind a facade of caring and love. They even fail at that though, it falls apart pretty fast when you ask them to care about the pregnant person. 

[j-brav0]

OK by all means

“a fetus is human life”

disprove it with facts and science, go.

[apersnicketylemon]

I never argued, have never argued and will never argue that a human fetus isn’t a human, I don’t think it’s a velociraptor in there. But it’s not the argument pro choicers ever presented to begin with, thus proving my point that you aren’t willing to listen. The fact that the fetus is human has no bearing on the fact that it also doesn’t qualify as a person by any metric that exists, isn’t autonomous, and is inside a persons body. 

The fact is, that person owns their own body, and has the right to determine who may use their body, how, and for how long. If you can agree that a person who is born with a uterus is the owner of THAT uterus, you agree that they own that organ all their lives. They therefore have the right to deny the use of it to anyone or anything that they choose, at any time, for any reason. Just like they get to do the same regarding all their other organs, blood, and tissue. 

[j-brav0]

So a human being is only a “person” when they are A.) autonomous and B.) Not inside someone’s body.

Ok cool, so by that logic, every person in a coma, or every person with a mental illness like dementia isn’t a person anymore, and every opposite sex attracted male who’s been inside a woman for that time being stopped being a person as well, correct? Just by “using the metrics that exist.”? Oh let’s also not forget that applies to an embryo from the moment of conception all the way to a 9 month old infant.

I do agree that a woman has full rights and ownership to her uterus, along with every other body part. She can do whatever the hell she wants with it, not a problem. That doesn’t mean she has the right to take someone else’s life just because that life is dependent on her body. She owns her own body, but she doesn’t own somebody else’s, even if it’s inside her. Let’s not get this twisted either. This fetus, this life, is not some unwarranted intruder or parasite. It was created by choice when the woman chose to engage in intercourse, knowing the risks. Killing an unborn child because of irresponsible sex is the equivalent of inviting a stranger into your house, killing them, to then turn around and say “well it’s my house, i didn’t consent to this.”

I believe every person has full rights and ownership of their own body, no matter what. What I don’t believe is that my ownership of my own body is the-end-all-be-all justification to actively infringe upon the very lives of others.

[hogofthefuture]

A fetus and a parent can’t both have the right to the same uterus.

If the parent has the right to control her own body, that includes the right to decide what happens to her body.

If the fetus has the right to the uterus, that means that the parent does not own their own body but that it is the property of the fetus.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

The mother had the right to control her body before getting pregnant. The complete and 10000% right (excluding rape of course) not to get pregnant or not to have sex or to not make a baby.

The fetus had the right to life in her uterus if she engaged in sex that lead the fetus being inside. If you think it should be disposed of according to her will, then the fetus would be a property of the mother. And humans are not property. If you see them that way, then you can dehumanize and treat them at you will.

[themightylizardking]

Sorry babes but at the end of the day I have a right to my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

 my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

How brainwashed are you?

[themightylizardking]

I’m quite good at critical thinking and will get even better when I start law school in a few months, thanks. And here’s a little biology lesson for you. Fetuses don’t really use the actual uterus. Instead, they attach to the uterine lining and are slowly grown by leaching nutrients from a real, sentient human through it. I shed the blood and tissue of that lining every month and will continue doing so til menopause and I really don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Bruh, you are not being biologically accurate. Do you know what a fetus even is? You are not being smart, at all.

[themightylizardking]

How am I being inaccurate? What do you think a fetus is?

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Fetus: an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Do you know what does EIGHT WEEKS mean?

[themightylizardking]

Oh nope I def have no idea what 8 weeks means. Could you explain it to me? And I still don’t see why you think I don’t know what a fetus is.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Open a biology book then we’ll talk. Go away now.

[themightylizardking]

Okay bye bye good luck with your guns and misogyny uwu

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re saying this like guns are bad. Are you against women defending ourselves from rape? That’s misogyny.

[beekeeper614]

It’s misogynistic to force anything on a women, dumbass. Ur the one forcing women into shit as well, you absolute creepy bug bucket!!! Women have a right to say NO in every aspect of their body! No to grown adults using my vagina against my say!!! No to babies using my uterus against my say.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

That’s stupid, granting women spacial privileges because we have uteruses is not equality. And yes, spacial privileges to kill our biological child legally.

[beekeeper614]

It’s fucking funny you wanna keep throwing around the word “Privilege” cause the USA has a thing called Privilege Laws and they are laws granted to specific persons or classes of people or even corporations. USA has loads of privleges for specific ppl only. So yes, women should and can be granted a specific privlege to make their own fucking decisions over their reproductive health. Which is a sad Privlege to have to fight for… But in the United States you have no Privilege rights until after youre born. So there in it’s self proves my argument that I most certainly have more privileges over the unborn, and by ur standards stated above, a fetus is alive but still unborn. Thank you.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

[beekeeper614]

Me and multiple people: *give valid arguments against every scrap of garbage that has come out of your mouth*

You and other pro-lifers:

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

It’s sad that you think your dribble is valid

[beekeeper614]

It's sad that you still want access to other women's reproductive organs and "unborn offspring" even though they've told you no. Youre soooo gross and don't even realize how perverted your thinking is.

[apersnicketylemon]

Isn’t it funny though how pro lifers literally never change? Like literally, they keep rearguing the same damn thing over and over and over, and when you point out ‘you’re actually wrong’ they not only ignore you, they then continue rearguing a point they now know, factually, is false. 

Pro lifers don’t care about facts. If they did, they’d be pro choice. What they care about is hiding their hatred of people who can give birth behind a facade of caring and love. They even fail at that though, it falls apart pretty fast when you ask them to care about the pregnant person. 

[j-brav0]

OK by all means

“a fetus is human life”

disprove it with facts and science, go.

[apersnicketylemon]

I never argued, have never argued and will never argue that a human fetus isn’t a human, I don’t think it’s a velociraptor in there. But it’s not the argument pro choicers ever presented to begin with, thus proving my point that you aren’t willing to listen. The fact that the fetus is human has no bearing on the fact that it also doesn’t qualify as a person by any metric that exists, isn’t autonomous, and is inside a persons body. 

The fact is, that person owns their own body, and has the right to determine who may use their body, how, and for how long. If you can agree that a person who is born with a uterus is the owner of THAT uterus, you agree that they own that organ all their lives. They therefore have the right to deny the use of it to anyone or anything that they choose, at any time, for any reason. Just like they get to do the same regarding all their other organs, blood, and tissue. 

[j-brav0]

So a human being is only a “person” when they are A.) autonomous and B.) Not inside someone’s body.

Ok cool, so by that logic, every person in a coma, or every person with a mental illness like dementia isn’t a person anymore, and every opposite sex attracted male who’s been inside a woman for that time being stopped being a person as well, correct? Just by “using the metrics that exist.”? Oh let’s also not forget that applies to an embryo from the moment of conception all the way to a 9 month old infant.

I do agree that a woman has full rights and ownership to her uterus, along with every other body part. She can do whatever the hell she wants with it, not a problem. That doesn’t mean she has the right to take someone else’s life just because that life is dependent on her body. She owns her own body, but she doesn’t own somebody else’s, even if it’s inside her. Let’s not get this twisted either. This fetus, this life, is not some unwarranted intruder or parasite. It was created by choice when the woman chose to engage in intercourse, knowing the risks. Killing an unborn child because of irresponsible sex is the equivalent of inviting a stranger into your house, killing them, to then turn around and say “well it’s my house, i didn’t consent to this.”

I believe every person has full rights and ownership of their own body, no matter what. What I don’t believe is that my ownership of my own body is the-end-all-be-all justification to actively infringe upon the very lives of others.

[hogofthefuture]

A fetus and a parent can’t both have the right to the same uterus.

If the parent has the right to control her own body, that includes the right to decide what happens to her body.

If the fetus has the right to the uterus, that means that the parent does not own their own body but that it is the property of the fetus.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

The mother had the right to control her body before getting pregnant. The complete and 10000% right (excluding rape of course) not to get pregnant or not to have sex or to not make a baby.

The fetus had the right to life in her uterus if she engaged in sex that lead the fetus being inside. If you think it should be disposed of according to her will, then the fetus would be a property of the mother. And humans are not property. If you see them that way, then you can dehumanize and treat them at you will.

[themightylizardking]

Sorry babes but at the end of the day I have a right to my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

 my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

How brainwashed are you?

[themightylizardking]

I’m quite good at critical thinking and will get even better when I start law school in a few months, thanks. And here’s a little biology lesson for you. Fetuses don’t really use the actual uterus. Instead, they attach to the uterine lining and are slowly grown by leaching nutrients from a real, sentient human through it. I shed the blood and tissue of that lining every month and will continue doing so til menopause and I really don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Bruh, you are not being biologically accurate. Do you know what a fetus even is? You are not being smart, at all.

[themightylizardking]

How am I being inaccurate? What do you think a fetus is?

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Fetus: an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Do you know what does EIGHT WEEKS mean?

[themightylizardking]

Oh nope I def have no idea what 8 weeks means. Could you explain it to me? And I still don’t see why you think I don’t know what a fetus is.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Open a biology book then we’ll talk. Go away now.

[themightylizardking]

Okay bye bye good luck with your guns and misogyny uwu

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re saying this like guns are bad. Are you against women defending ourselves from rape? That’s misogyny.

[beekeeper614]

It’s misogynistic to force anything on a women, dumbass. Ur the one forcing women into shit as well, you absolute creepy bug bucket!!! Women have a right to say NO in every aspect of their body! No to grown adults using my vagina against my say!!! No to babies using my uterus against my say.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

That’s stupid, granting women spacial privileges because we have uteruses is not equality. And yes, spacial privileges to kill our biological child legally.

[beekeeper614]

It’s fucking funny you wanna keep throwing around the word “Privilege” cause the USA has a thing called Privilege Laws and they are laws granted to specific persons or classes of people or even corporations. USA has loads of privleges for specific ppl only. So yes, women should and can be granted a specific privlege to make their own fucking decisions over their reproductive health. Which is a sad Privlege to have to fight for… But in the United States you have no Privilege rights until after youre born. So there in it’s self proves my argument that I most certainly have more privileges over the unborn, and by ur standards stated above, a fetus is alive but still unborn. Thank you.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

[beekeeper614]

Me and multiple people: *give valid arguments against every scrap of garbage that has come out of your mouth*

You and other pro-lifers:

[apersnicketylemon]

Isn’t it funny though how pro lifers literally never change? Like literally, they keep rearguing the same damn thing over and over and over, and when you point out ‘you’re actually wrong’ they not only ignore you, they then continue rearguing a point they now know, factually, is false. 

Pro lifers don’t care about facts. If they did, they’d be pro choice. What they care about is hiding their hatred of people who can give birth behind a facade of caring and love. They even fail at that though, it falls apart pretty fast when you ask them to care about the pregnant person. 

[j-brav0]

OK by all means

“a fetus is human life”

disprove it with facts and science, go.

[apersnicketylemon]

I never argued, have never argued and will never argue that a human fetus isn’t a human, I don’t think it’s a velociraptor in there. But it’s not the argument pro choicers ever presented to begin with, thus proving my point that you aren’t willing to listen. The fact that the fetus is human has no bearing on the fact that it also doesn’t qualify as a person by any metric that exists, isn’t autonomous, and is inside a persons body. 

The fact is, that person owns their own body, and has the right to determine who may use their body, how, and for how long. If you can agree that a person who is born with a uterus is the owner of THAT uterus, you agree that they own that organ all their lives. They therefore have the right to deny the use of it to anyone or anything that they choose, at any time, for any reason. Just like they get to do the same regarding all their other organs, blood, and tissue. 

[j-brav0]

So a human being is only a “person” when they are A.) autonomous and B.) Not inside someone’s body.

Ok cool, so by that logic, every person in a coma, or every person with a mental illness like dementia isn’t a person anymore, and every opposite sex attracted male who’s been inside a woman for that time being stopped being a person as well, correct? Just by “using the metrics that exist.”? Oh let’s also not forget that applies to an embryo from the moment of conception all the way to a 9 month old infant.

I do agree that a woman has full rights and ownership to her uterus, along with every other body part. She can do whatever the hell she wants with it, not a problem. That doesn’t mean she has the right to take someone else’s life just because that life is dependent on her body. She owns her own body, but she doesn’t own somebody else’s, even if it’s inside her. Let’s not get this twisted either. This fetus, this life, is not some unwarranted intruder or parasite. It was created by choice when the woman chose to engage in intercourse, knowing the risks. Killing an unborn child because of irresponsible sex is the equivalent of inviting a stranger into your house, killing them, to then turn around and say “well it’s my house, i didn’t consent to this.”

I believe every person has full rights and ownership of their own body, no matter what. What I don’t believe is that my ownership of my own body is the-end-all-be-all justification to actively infringe upon the very lives of others.

[hogofthefuture]

A fetus and a parent can’t both have the right to the same uterus.

If the parent has the right to control her own body, that includes the right to decide what happens to her body.

If the fetus has the right to the uterus, that means that the parent does not own their own body but that it is the property of the fetus.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

The mother had the right to control her body before getting pregnant. The complete and 10000% right (excluding rape of course) not to get pregnant or not to have sex or to not make a baby.

The fetus had the right to life in her uterus if she engaged in sex that lead the fetus being inside. If you think it should be disposed of according to her will, then the fetus would be a property of the mother. And humans are not property. If you see them that way, then you can dehumanize and treat them at you will.

[themightylizardking]

Sorry babes but at the end of the day I have a right to my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

 my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

How brainwashed are you?

[themightylizardking]

I’m quite good at critical thinking and will get even better when I start law school in a few months, thanks. And here’s a little biology lesson for you. Fetuses don’t really use the actual uterus. Instead, they attach to the uterine lining and are slowly grown by leaching nutrients from a real, sentient human through it. I shed the blood and tissue of that lining every month and will continue doing so til menopause and I really don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Bruh, you are not being biologically accurate. Do you know what a fetus even is? You are not being smart, at all.

[themightylizardking]

How am I being inaccurate? What do you think a fetus is?

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Fetus: an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Do you know what does EIGHT WEEKS mean?

[themightylizardking]

Oh nope I def have no idea what 8 weeks means. Could you explain it to me? And I still don’t see why you think I don’t know what a fetus is.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Open a biology book then we’ll talk. Go away now.

[themightylizardking]

Okay bye bye good luck with your guns and misogyny uwu

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re saying this like guns are bad. Are you against women defending ourselves from rape? That’s misogyny.

[beekeeper614]

It’s misogynistic to force anything on a women, dumbass. Ur the one forcing women into shit as well, you absolute creepy bug bucket!!! Women have a right to say NO in every aspect of their body! No to grown adults using my vagina against my say!!! No to babies using my uterus against my say.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

That’s stupid, granting women spacial privileges because we have uteruses is not equality. And yes, spacial privileges to kill our biological child legally.

[beekeeper614]

It's fucking funny you wanna keep throwing around the word "Privilege" cause the USA has a thing called Privilege Laws and they are laws granted to specific persons or classes of people or even corporations. USA has loads of privleges for specific ppl only. So yes, women should and can be granted a specific privlege to make their own fucking decisions over their reproductive health. Which is a sad Privlege to have to fight for... But in the United States you have no Privilege rights until after youre born. So there in it's self proves my argument that I most certainly have more privileges over the unborn, and by ur standards stated above, a fetus is alive but still unborn. Thank you.

[apersnicketylemon]

Isn’t it funny though how pro lifers literally never change? Like literally, they keep rearguing the same damn thing over and over and over, and when you point out ‘you’re actually wrong’ they not only ignore you, they then continue rearguing a point they now know, factually, is false. 

Pro lifers don’t care about facts. If they did, they’d be pro choice. What they care about is hiding their hatred of people who can give birth behind a facade of caring and love. They even fail at that though, it falls apart pretty fast when you ask them to care about the pregnant person. 

[j-brav0]

OK by all means

“a fetus is human life”

disprove it with facts and science, go.

[apersnicketylemon]

I never argued, have never argued and will never argue that a human fetus isn’t a human, I don’t think it’s a velociraptor in there. But it’s not the argument pro choicers ever presented to begin with, thus proving my point that you aren’t willing to listen. The fact that the fetus is human has no bearing on the fact that it also doesn’t qualify as a person by any metric that exists, isn’t autonomous, and is inside a persons body. 

The fact is, that person owns their own body, and has the right to determine who may use their body, how, and for how long. If you can agree that a person who is born with a uterus is the owner of THAT uterus, you agree that they own that organ all their lives. They therefore have the right to deny the use of it to anyone or anything that they choose, at any time, for any reason. Just like they get to do the same regarding all their other organs, blood, and tissue. 

[j-brav0]

So a human being is only a “person” when they are A.) autonomous and B.) Not inside someone’s body.

Ok cool, so by that logic, every person in a coma, or every person with a mental illness like dementia isn’t a person anymore, and every opposite sex attracted male who’s been inside a woman for that time being stopped being a person as well, correct? Just by “using the metrics that exist.”? Oh let’s also not forget that applies to an embryo from the moment of conception all the way to a 9 month old infant.

I do agree that a woman has full rights and ownership to her uterus, along with every other body part. She can do whatever the hell she wants with it, not a problem. That doesn’t mean she has the right to take someone else’s life just because that life is dependent on her body. She owns her own body, but she doesn’t own somebody else’s, even if it’s inside her. Let’s not get this twisted either. This fetus, this life, is not some unwarranted intruder or parasite. It was created by choice when the woman chose to engage in intercourse, knowing the risks. Killing an unborn child because of irresponsible sex is the equivalent of inviting a stranger into your house, killing them, to then turn around and say “well it’s my house, i didn’t consent to this.”

I believe every person has full rights and ownership of their own body, no matter what. What I don’t believe is that my ownership of my own body is the-end-all-be-all justification to actively infringe upon the very lives of others.

[hogofthefuture]

A fetus and a parent can’t both have the right to the same uterus.

If the parent has the right to control her own body, that includes the right to decide what happens to her body.

If the fetus has the right to the uterus, that means that the parent does not own their own body but that it is the property of the fetus.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

The mother had the right to control her body before getting pregnant. The complete and 10000% right (excluding rape of course) not to get pregnant or not to have sex or to not make a baby.

The fetus had the right to life in her uterus if she engaged in sex that lead the fetus being inside. If you think it should be disposed of according to her will, then the fetus would be a property of the mother. And humans are not property. If you see them that way, then you can dehumanize and treat them at you will.

[themightylizardking]

Sorry babes but at the end of the day I have a right to my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

 my uterine lining and will dispose of it as I see fit.

How brainwashed are you?

[themightylizardking]

I’m quite good at critical thinking and will get even better when I start law school in a few months, thanks. And here’s a little biology lesson for you. Fetuses don’t really use the actual uterus. Instead, they attach to the uterine lining and are slowly grown by leaching nutrients from a real, sentient human through it. I shed the blood and tissue of that lining every month and will continue doing so til menopause and I really don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Bruh, you are not being biologically accurate. Do you know what a fetus even is? You are not being smart, at all.

[themightylizardking]

How am I being inaccurate? What do you think a fetus is?

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Fetus: an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Do you know what does EIGHT WEEKS mean?

[themightylizardking]

Oh nope I def have no idea what 8 weeks means. Could you explain it to me? And I still don’t see why you think I don’t know what a fetus is.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Open a biology book then we’ll talk. Go away now.

[themightylizardking]

Okay bye bye good luck with your guns and misogyny uwu

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re saying this like guns are bad. Are you against women defending ourselves from rape? That’s misogyny.

[beekeeper614]

It's misogynistic to force anything on a women, dumbass. Ur the one forcing women into shit as well, you absolute creepy bug bucket!!! Women have a right to say NO in every aspect of their body! No to grown adults using my vagina against my say!!! No to babies using my uterus against my say.

[mybeautifulchristianjourney]

[skystonedclouds]

The mother and baby have different DNA. So much so that sometimes the mother’s antibodies will attack the baby. It’s not “your body” if it has different DNA so much so your body attacks it treating as a potentially dangerous foreigner. 

[beekeeper614]

Can it live without my body? Without my food? Without my blood? I have a right to say what my body does and if I don’t want my body creating a baby then it’s not gonna create a baby. If it is its own person then it shouldn’t need me to survive and therefore I should be able to remove it from MY BODY!! MY BODY. 100% MY DECISION OVER MY BODY.

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

You make that decision before your pregnant. Your actions put them there and you don’t get to kill it because of that. Pregnancy is a well known affect of sex. If your not ready to risk it then don’t have sex.

[beekeeper614]

Skin cancer is a well known affect of the sun. We still make cheap sunscreen and let women choose their own treatment when presented with all the possibilities.

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

Good thing using sunscreen doesn’t kill anybody?

[beekeeper614]

What like unsafe abortions and forced pregnancies never killed anyone? Lmfao. Get the fuck out of here and stop forcing women to have babies, you creepy pervert.

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

1st world nations have the lowest maternal mortality rates and the solution to fix the maternal rates in 3rd world countries isn’t to kill babies. All because people will get unsafe abortions doesn’t mean we should just make it legal. Drugs are illegal and people still die from it. Drinking and driving is illegal but doesn’t mean we should make it legal. They’re tons of places that are illegal that make things unsafe for people to do them but that doesn’t mean we make them legal. Also if you would actually talk to these pro lifers then you would actually know that they make an exception for the mothers health. Maybe get out of your pathetic little bubble and stop making fun of people then you would actually know what most of us believe

[beekeeper614]

It doesn't matter rates. No women shouldnt be forced to make the sacrafice of pregnancy against her will or safety regardless where you determine that line is. Pregnancy puts you at so many risks. Risk of death, risk of miscarriages, or the psychological damage I personally went through from having a 7 month still born when I was 19 cause my prolifer family told me I "needed to love the child regardless and it wasn't my choice to say when is the end". Well it should have been my choice and I will not let you tell me my choices. Ur a controlling creep. Stay away from women pls.

[life-advocate-feminist]

[fandomsandfeminism]

Yes, it can. We do it all the time. Self defense laws allow for it. Organ and blood donation being wholly voluntary allows for it. 

And I’m incredibly not ok with the government putting into place any law that says they can legally violate my body in any way if they think its justifiable. 

[life-advocate-feminist]

Abortion is not comparable to organ donation. That has been debunked countless times. Find a new argument please

[fandomsandfeminism]

It has not been “debunked.” Just because you don’t accept the argument doesn’t mean it has been factually proven false. 

Organ donation has many clear and obvious parallels with abortion, and the reason for organ donation being voluntary hinges on the same principle of respecting bodily autonomy even if it means the loss of life for another person.

Also, I had 2 comparisons in that post. The other was self defense laws. 

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

I’ll put so you can understand. Donating organs is not an obligation or a responsibility. Taking care of a kid that you made is an obligation and a responsibility. There is no good comparison to pregnancy because it’s a unique thing that stands on its own.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You are not obligated for your children to use your body against your will.

If your child needs an organ to live, there is no obligation to donate your organ to keep them alive. No one is obligated to access to your body against your will.

Pregnancy is only unique if you refuse to see the similarities it has to other issues.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re obligated to take care of that child that you made. It’s parental obligation to take care of the one that you created. No one is obligated to donate organs, but you have the responsibility and the obligation to take care of the the product of your actions. Otherwise you’re saying that a woman has special privileges to revoke her parental obligation that no one else has.

And no, organ donations does not compare to pregnancy. Nothing does or will. It’s reaching at best.

[fandomsandfeminism]

That parental obligation does not include entitlements to your body and organs. Bodily autonomy is paramount.

I think organ donation is a very clear comparison, and I’ve explained why. You havent explained why not.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

It does, because they don’t start once the kid is born. There is a whole developmental process before birth that requires taking care of the kid. And part of that process is the obligation for a woman to be a parent and take care of the kid in her body. Again, you’re saying that a woman has special privileges to revoke those parental obligations and responsibilities that no one else has.

To add to boldly anatomy and since you belive that she can do whatever-

Let’s say a pregnant woman has intractable nausea and vomiting and has a drug called thalidomide, that will help her relive those symptoms. She knows that if she takes it, chances are her child will end up being disabled. But she feels that her vomiting and nausea is more important than the possible result of this drug. Since bodily anatomy is paramount- should she have the ability to take that drug and, highly possibly make her child be born with a disability, because she feels that her nausea and vomiting relief is more important?

[fandomsandfeminism]

NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO THE USE OF YOUR BODY AGAINST YOUR WILL.

No one. No one has an entitlement to your body against and without your consent.

Would any other person be allowed to use someone’s body against their will, or are you giving a fetus more rights than any other person on Earth?

And honestly the fact that a pregnancy can restrict a person’s ability to take medicine because medicine in your body can impact the fetus is a pretty good illustration of the fetus not being autonomous.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You didn’t answer my question 

[fandomsandfeminism]

I actually did. No one is entitled to the use of your body against your will. So, no, I don’t think that the government should be able to punish someone for taking medicine while they are pregnant, even if that medicine has risk factors.

Now, my question- would any other person be allowed to use your body against your will to save their own life? Or are you giving a fetus more rights than any other human being?

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

So you’re saying that you support her taking that medication even though it will cripple another human being as a result?

To answer you queston- like i said before, there is nothing like pregnancy, nothing comparable. It’s not giving a fetus more rights, it’s giving it equal rights. The natural right to life that everyone has. Giving the mother right to kill a human, revokes her parental responsibility, which is a luxury that no one has. So you are giving women special rights and privileges that no one else has, which is also giving her the power over another human being and their rights. If anyone is giving more rights to anyone, is you to women over someone else and their life.

Again, not more rights, EQUAL rights.

[fandomsandfeminism]

No other human gets to:

Use another person’s body against their will.

Dictate whether or not a person gets to take medicine.

So it kinda sounds like you’re giving a fetus more rights than other people. And uh, that ain’t cool.

(And for the record, people DO have the right to revoke parental responsibility. What the fuck do you think adoption does? Lol.)

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

So the answer is yes. You are ok with a woman crippling her child so she can help her nausea and vomiting.

Sounds like you’re giving women rights that no else has, especially the rights over someone else.

[fandomsandfeminism]

And you think that a pregnant person should have to endure crippling nausea for 40 weeks because they can neither get an abortion or take medicine. Kinda sounds unethical to me. Kiiiinda sounds like stripping people of their right to their own health decisions and suffering because of YOUR morality being forced on them.

Thanka for refusing to really respond to my point though. But, hey, we can talk in circles all day if you’re having fun.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Yeah the the horror of pain for 9 months of your life is so, much worse than death and being crippled because your mama was selfish.

By supporting what you support, you end up having human beings who are treated like second class citizens and giving someone else rights over them and their bodies. You support their crippling and killing because in your mind no equal rights for them. You absolutely do not have some kind of moral high ground over me. Do you support eugenics as well? Should babies with down syndrome be killed before they’re born because the mother doesn’t want them? To which extent does the woman have their right to do whatever she wants with that human body that is not hers?

[beekeeper614]

You support the abuse of women. What about the fetuses that kill their mothers? What about the women that give their lives bringing their children in this world. Fuck you! I don't have to risk my life and safety because you deem me a baby factory, you absolute gross fuck! Keep your tiny dick in you little boy pants. There are plenty of women that are willing to make that amazing sacrafice. I'm one of them. But you bet your ass I'm gonna stand by every women NOT WILLING to make the sacrafice of pregnancy. Because I UNDERSTAND the painful sacrafice even if I'm okay enduring it and others aren't bothered. Men will never understand there for idc what think on the situation.

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

[beekeeper614]

Um… Because them donating to candidates that are going to vote to keep them funded and in business is well, going to keep them funded and in business!!!

“Why are we giving this charity $500 if they are going to spend $40 on their electricity bill!!! The Scandal!!” What y'all sound like, ya dumbasses…

And not to mention I’m assuming that 40 mil is over a few years when they get 500 mil a year so why u acting like they using all their money to rig an election??? U wanna go into all the donations from the right side that are being used to defund PP?? Cause I’ll bet its waaayyyyy for than 40 mil lmao

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

Or the fact they made over a billion dollars in 2017-18 with the tax payer money. Maybe that’s what’s pissing me off. But no your right. @prolife-feminist

[beekeeper614]

Is your problem with PP the fact that provide free healthcare to men and women who most likely desperately need it or is it the abortions? Or is it just the thought of your money going to something you don’t believe??

First, do you know what the fuck the Hyde amendment is? Abortions can not be paid with taxpayer money unless on a state level in Medicaid reimbursement. So fuck ur logic there. Unless u really wanna die on the hill of going after ppl on Medicaid.

Abortions make up 3.7% of the services provided at PP.

Let me tell you, right now as a women with a current high risk pregnancy, PP is my only option for a chance at having a healthy baby right now! I’ve had 3 miscarriages and they are not only helping me with my care which I wouldn’t be able to afford otherwise (since my dad passed a few months ago, I lost his health insurance). And u know what else?? My baby’s dad has come to my appointments and has even made appointments for himself to make sure he is clean and healthy as well. So it’s not just about women. It’s not just about abortions. And as much as your small ass mind thinks it’s not all about the babies either. These are humans. These are People!! Abortions are devasting!! I had to have my second pregnancy removed because it was dying and making me extremely sick in the process. It was heartbreaking and PP was there and even helped me with funeral services during my post hospital checkups.

And you know the argument I usually get when I tell people my experience?? It’s “well you’re a lucky case. I think people like you need things like that and we should find a way to do it but not PP.” Or “I think in your case i don’t mind my tax dollars being spent but other ppl are free loading” bitch, PP was MADE for ppl in my situation!!! Because it is a common ass situation that gets overlooked. Pregnant and non pregnant women need reproductive healthcare and when this fucking system says fuck us and fuck our health and fuck our kids and fuck our rights, you bet your ass Planned Parenthood gonna help those women that fall through the cracks and don’t have access to the HEALTHCARE AND MEDICAL TREATMENT they not only need but fucking deserve!!! Planned parenthood has saved more babies and women than ur prolife movent ever will.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Free? I heard that its not free. And no, abortion is not free.

The Most Meaningless Abortion Statistic Ever

Amanda, it’s been so long since I’ve seen a reference to the claim that abortions make up only 3 percent of the services  that Planned Paren

This is older, but still applies. It doesn’t matter how many percent of abortions they do, they earn a lot of cash doing it. Now more so because they did 11,000 more abortions in 2018 than 2017. National abortion rate is going down yet PPs numbers are not. Not to mention their other survices have been going down while abortion going up. But don’t take my word for it, see their annual reports and compare.

Anyway, Planned Parenthood is an abortion chain that wants tax payer money, even though it’s a non profit, and lobbies in the interest of less abortion laws so they make money.

And no, they definitely do not save babies. That’s a ridiculous statement.

[beekeeper614]

1st. You ever think that their abortion rates are going up and the nation’s is dropping because people like you are making it impossible to get a safe abortion outside from Planned Parenthood??? So more people are going there for that specific procedure. I wish common sense was your source ffs.

2nd. Yes I’ve received free prenatal healthcare from them on multiple occasions so how are you going to tell me my life experience is a lie? I never said free abortion. I’m well aware of their abortion costs and honestly I’m not educated enough on the financial struggles of women that have them to be spreading my opinion. I’d be willing to listen to someone whose gone through that though. I wish free abortion was a thing but for right now I’m just fighting for abortion to stay a legal thing, even if it does cost money.

So if your telling me the government has to take a tiny ass little scrap % of my pay (I don’t know why you’re acting like I’m not a tax payer as well?) in order to keep the very few places that offer a vital form of women’s healthcare funded then yeah. Fuck you for complaining.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

No, that’s actually a very dumb thing to say. There aren’t that many PPs in the country. Nobody is taking your safe abortions away. None of what you said explains why their abortion rate is going up while national is going down. Clinics are still very much a thing where 2/3 of abortions happen.

Did you know that free requires someone to pay for it? Meaning the tax payers. If you want the tax payers to pay for your abortion, you are not pro choice. You’re just pro choice of abortion. Other choices, like people choosing or not to fund abortion, you don’t support making. Pro “choice” hypocrisy. If you wanna support your favorite abortions chain, then donate. Pro choice is selective on choices that you support. Complain about choices that others take away from you (killing humans) and say someone should not choose to decide if they want to fund an abortion chain, is hypocritical.

I’ll say what i said before, I’m not interested in supporting an abortion chain with my paycheck.

[beekeeper614]

I love this argument just so you know, I’ve had this deflective statement thrown in my face many times.

“Free means the tax payers pay” argrument.

Yes I got free prenatal healthcare that was funded by government taxes THAT I PAID INTO WITH MY TAXES!! I hate this logic!!! Government services are absolute garbage here in the USA and I’m tired of y'all acting like people who get free healthcare, and food assistance, and disability assistance, and childcare assistance are living large on ur shitty percentage of ur most likely shitty paycheck. Most of the people accepting these services have already paid there part into the program through past employment and taxes or is trying to get themselves into a position so they can afford to pay into the programs with their taxes. You guys just want to guilt trip poor people because they are an easy group of people to guilt trip into an embarrassment where they don’t accept any help. These programs are safety nets and the reason the people that bitch about these programs bitch is because they don’t qualify for them without realizing that it’s a god damn blessing to not need government assistance.

And I’m not interested in supporting the military with my paycheck, sweetheart. I’m not interested in my tax payer money being spent on Trump Vacations either.

Stop the “I’m a tax payer bullshit” hun, cause I’m a tax payer too and I’m calling you a whiny baby. Accept the fact that taxes need to be used for services you don’t need because there is a person in this country that does need it. There is a lot of government programs I’ll never need but yes I’ll give a % of my paycheck because someday you might and I want you to get the care you deserve and need. Just like I did. Thank you.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

All you did is whine and didn’t even address your hypocrisy. Wanna be pro choice? well i choose not to fund an abortion chain. I choose to have my money from my paycheck go to where I want it, and frankly it’s not Planned Parenthood. I don’t want to fund an abortion business that thrives of weakness of women who think they have no other choice. MY WALLET MY CHOICE  

[beekeeper614]

Pro-choice means I make the choice with my BODY and no body makes it for me and I don’t make it for anyone! I will never tell you what to do with you body.

Prochoice has nothing to do with you being forced to pay your taxes in this country, dipshit. Idc. Don’t pay. Commit tax fraud. Have fun.

Like how I’m fighting for the right to my body and your complaining about the right to your money. Whiny bitch baby.

No hypocrity to address.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

My body chooses not to pay for your abortion or give my money to Planned Parenthood. Pro CHOICE. Keep your pro choice bs consistent. 

You’re a hypocrite that only cares about choices that you support. And you lack the ability to see what a hypocrite you are, someone who demands people to stay out of your abortion business but say people should pay for your abortion business. 

[beekeeper614]

SWEETHEART, U TINY BRAINED LITTLE SWEETY... "PRO-CHOICE" is the NAME and TITLE of a political movement involving women having the right to make their own choices for their own reproductive health. It's not a everyone can choose whatever the hell they want in any situation movement.

Kinda like the "Pro-Life" movement is pro-fetus and doesn't actually advocate for Human Life.

[life-advocate-feminist]

[fandomsandfeminism]

Yes, it can. We do it all the time. Self defense laws allow for it. Organ and blood donation being wholly voluntary allows for it. 

And I’m incredibly not ok with the government putting into place any law that says they can legally violate my body in any way if they think its justifiable. 

[life-advocate-feminist]

Abortion is not comparable to organ donation. That has been debunked countless times. Find a new argument please

[fandomsandfeminism]

It has not been “debunked.” Just because you don’t accept the argument doesn’t mean it has been factually proven false. 

Organ donation has many clear and obvious parallels with abortion, and the reason for organ donation being voluntary hinges on the same principle of respecting bodily autonomy even if it means the loss of life for another person.

Also, I had 2 comparisons in that post. The other was self defense laws. 

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

I’ll put so you can understand. Donating organs is not an obligation or a responsibility. Taking care of a kid that you made is an obligation and a responsibility. There is no good comparison to pregnancy because it’s a unique thing that stands on its own.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You are not obligated for your children to use your body against your will.

If your child needs an organ to live, there is no obligation to donate your organ to keep them alive. No one is obligated to access to your body against your will.

Pregnancy is only unique if you refuse to see the similarities it has to other issues.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re obligated to take care of that child that you made. It’s parental obligation to take care of the one that you created. No one is obligated to donate organs, but you have the responsibility and the obligation to take care of the the product of your actions. Otherwise you’re saying that a woman has special privileges to revoke her parental obligation that no one else has.

And no, organ donations does not compare to pregnancy. Nothing does or will. It’s reaching at best.

[fandomsandfeminism]

That parental obligation does not include entitlements to your body and organs. Bodily autonomy is paramount.

I think organ donation is a very clear comparison, and I’ve explained why. You havent explained why not.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

It does, because they don’t start once the kid is born. There is a whole developmental process before birth that requires taking care of the kid. And part of that process is the obligation for a woman to be a parent and take care of the kid in her body. Again, you’re saying that a woman has special privileges to revoke those parental obligations and responsibilities that no one else has.

To add to boldly anatomy and since you belive that she can do whatever-

Let’s say a pregnant woman has intractable nausea and vomiting and has a drug called thalidomide, that will help her relive those symptoms. She knows that if she takes it, chances are her child will end up being disabled. But she feels that her vomiting and nausea is more important than the possible result of this drug. Since bodily anatomy is paramount- should she have the ability to take that drug and, highly possibly make her child be born with a disability, because she feels that her nausea and vomiting relief is more important?

[beekeeper614]

Why are you so obsessed with women enduring pain? Like women should have to face 9 months of pain and medical treatment against their will and the act of giving birth so yeah if they want to make the decision not to then yes they get that special right over their body. That is the point of pro choice! I get that choice for myself. I don’t get that choice for you and you don’t get that choice for me. “Otherwise your saying that a women has special privleges to revoke her parental obligations that no one else has” meaning the dad of the fetus. Yes that privlege is reserved for women and women only, it also comes with the privlege of being able to also carry a child if THAT IS WHAT WE WANT!! No one can force a man to carry a child so therefore it’s not a privlege he needs.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You didn’t address anything i said, so dismissed

[beekeeper614]

I qouted you directly in my addressment to your idiot statement. Learn to read, u creepy ass buffoon.

[mybeautifulchristianjourney]

[skystonedclouds]

The mother and baby have different DNA. So much so that sometimes the mother’s antibodies will attack the baby. It’s not “your body” if it has different DNA so much so your body attacks it treating as a potentially dangerous foreigner. 

[beekeeper614]

Can it live without my body? Without my food? Without my blood? I have a right to say what my body does and if I don’t want my body creating a baby then it’s not gonna create a baby. If it is its own person then it shouldn’t need me to survive and therefore I should be able to remove it from MY BODY!! MY BODY. 100% MY DECISION OVER MY BODY.

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

You make that decision before your pregnant. Your actions put them there and you don’t get to kill it because of that. Pregnancy is a well known affect of sex. If your not ready to risk it then don’t have sex.

[beekeeper614]

Skin cancer is a well known affect of the sun. We still make cheap sunscreen and let women choose their own treatment when presented with all the possibilities.

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

Good thing using sunscreen doesn’t kill anybody?

[beekeeper614]

What like unsafe abortions and forced pregnancies never killed anyone? Lmfao. Get the fuck out of here and stop forcing women to have babies, you creepy pervert.

[life-advocate-feminist]

[fandomsandfeminism]

Yes, it can. We do it all the time. Self defense laws allow for it. Organ and blood donation being wholly voluntary allows for it. 

And I’m incredibly not ok with the government putting into place any law that says they can legally violate my body in any way if they think its justifiable. 

[life-advocate-feminist]

Abortion is not comparable to organ donation. That has been debunked countless times. Find a new argument please

[fandomsandfeminism]

It has not been “debunked.” Just because you don’t accept the argument doesn’t mean it has been factually proven false. 

Organ donation has many clear and obvious parallels with abortion, and the reason for organ donation being voluntary hinges on the same principle of respecting bodily autonomy even if it means the loss of life for another person.

Also, I had 2 comparisons in that post. The other was self defense laws. 

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

I’ll put so you can understand. Donating organs is not an obligation or a responsibility. Taking care of a kid that you made is an obligation and a responsibility. There is no good comparison to pregnancy because it’s a unique thing that stands on its own.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You are not obligated for your children to use your body against your will.

If your child needs an organ to live, there is no obligation to donate your organ to keep them alive. No one is obligated to access to your body against your will.

Pregnancy is only unique if you refuse to see the similarities it has to other issues.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

You’re obligated to take care of that child that you made. It’s parental obligation to take care of the one that you created. No one is obligated to donate organs, but you have the responsibility and the obligation to take care of the the product of your actions. Otherwise you’re saying that a woman has special privileges to revoke her parental obligation that no one else has.

And no, organ donations does not compare to pregnancy. Nothing does or will. It’s reaching at best.

[fandomsandfeminism]

That parental obligation does not include entitlements to your body and organs. Bodily autonomy is paramount.

I think organ donation is a very clear comparison, and I’ve explained why. You havent explained why not.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

It does, because they don’t start once the kid is born. There is a whole developmental process before birth that requires taking care of the kid. And part of that process is the obligation for a woman to be a parent and take care of the kid in her body. Again, you’re saying that a woman has special privileges to revoke those parental obligations and responsibilities that no one else has.

To add to boldly anatomy and since you belive that she can do whatever-

Let’s say a pregnant woman has intractable nausea and vomiting and has a drug called thalidomide, that will help her relive those symptoms. She knows that if she takes it, chances are her child will end up being disabled. But she feels that her vomiting and nausea is more important than the possible result of this drug. Since bodily anatomy is paramount- should she have the ability to take that drug and, highly possibly make her child be born with a disability, because she feels that her nausea and vomiting relief is more important?

[beekeeper614]

Why are you so obsessed with women enduring pain? Like women should have to face 9 months of pain and medical treatment against their will and the act of giving birth so yeah if they want to make the decision not to then yes they get that special right over their body. That is the point of pro choice! I get that choice for myself. I don't get that choice for you and you don't get that choice for me. "Otherwise your saying that a women has special privleges to revoke her parental obligations that no one else has" meaning the dad of the fetus. Yes that privlege is reserved for women and women only, it also comes with the privlege of being able to also carry a child if THAT IS WHAT WE WANT!! No one can force a man to carry a child so therefore it's not a privlege he needs.

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[beekeeper614]

Um… Because them donating to candidates that are going to vote to keep them funded and in business is well, going to keep them funded and in business!!!

“Why are we giving this charity $500 if they are going to spend $40 on their electricity bill!!! The Scandal!!” What y'all sound like, ya dumbasses…

And not to mention I’m assuming that 40 mil is over a few years when they get 500 mil a year so why u acting like they using all their money to rig an election??? U wanna go into all the donations from the right side that are being used to defund PP?? Cause I’ll bet its waaayyyyy for than 40 mil lmao

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

Or the fact they made over a billion dollars in 2017-18 with the tax payer money. Maybe that’s what’s pissing me off. But no your right. @prolife-feminist

[beekeeper614]

Is your problem with PP the fact that provide free healthcare to men and women who most likely desperately need it or is it the abortions? Or is it just the thought of your money going to something you don’t believe??

First, do you know what the fuck the Hyde amendment is? Abortions can not be paid with taxpayer money unless on a state level in Medicaid reimbursement. So fuck ur logic there. Unless u really wanna die on the hill of going after ppl on Medicaid.

Abortions make up 3.7% of the services provided at PP.

Let me tell you, right now as a women with a current high risk pregnancy, PP is my only option for a chance at having a healthy baby right now! I’ve had 3 miscarriages and they are not only helping me with my care which I wouldn’t be able to afford otherwise (since my dad passed a few months ago, I lost his health insurance). And u know what else?? My baby’s dad has come to my appointments and has even made appointments for himself to make sure he is clean and healthy as well. So it’s not just about women. It’s not just about abortions. And as much as your small ass mind thinks it’s not all about the babies either. These are humans. These are People!! Abortions are devasting!! I had to have my second pregnancy removed because it was dying and making me extremely sick in the process. It was heartbreaking and PP was there and even helped me with funeral services during my post hospital checkups.

And you know the argument I usually get when I tell people my experience?? It’s “well you’re a lucky case. I think people like you need things like that and we should find a way to do it but not PP.” Or “I think in your case i don’t mind my tax dollars being spent but other ppl are free loading” bitch, PP was MADE for ppl in my situation!!! Because it is a common ass situation that gets overlooked. Pregnant and non pregnant women need reproductive healthcare and when this fucking system says fuck us and fuck our health and fuck our kids and fuck our rights, you bet your ass Planned Parenthood gonna help those women that fall through the cracks and don’t have access to the HEALTHCARE AND MEDICAL TREATMENT they not only need but fucking deserve!!! Planned parenthood has saved more babies and women than ur prolife movent ever will.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Free? I heard that its not free. And no, abortion is not free.

The Most Meaningless Abortion Statistic Ever

Amanda, it’s been so long since I’ve seen a reference to the claim that abortions make up only 3 percent of the services  that Planned Paren

This is older, but still applies. It doesn’t matter how many percent of abortions they do, they earn a lot of cash doing it. Now more so because they did 11,000 more abortions in 2018 than 2017. National abortion rate is going down yet PPs numbers are not. Not to mention their other survices have been going down while abortion going up. But don’t take my word for it, see their annual reports and compare.

Anyway, Planned Parenthood is an abortion chain that wants tax payer money, even though it’s a non profit, and lobbies in the interest of less abortion laws so they make money.

And no, they definitely do not save babies. That’s a ridiculous statement.

[beekeeper614]

1st. You ever think that their abortion rates are going up and the nation’s is dropping because people like you are making it impossible to get a safe abortion outside from Planned Parenthood??? So more people are going there for that specific procedure. I wish common sense was your source ffs.

2nd. Yes I’ve received free prenatal healthcare from them on multiple occasions so how are you going to tell me my life experience is a lie? I never said free abortion. I’m well aware of their abortion costs and honestly I’m not educated enough on the financial struggles of women that have them to be spreading my opinion. I’d be willing to listen to someone whose gone through that though. I wish free abortion was a thing but for right now I’m just fighting for abortion to stay a legal thing, even if it does cost money.

So if your telling me the government has to take a tiny ass little scrap % of my pay (I don’t know why you’re acting like I’m not a tax payer as well?) in order to keep the very few places that offer a vital form of women’s healthcare funded then yeah. Fuck you for complaining.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

No, that’s actually a very dumb thing to say. There aren’t that many PPs in the country. Nobody is taking your safe abortions away. None of what you said explains why their abortion rate is going up while national is going down. Clinics are still very much a thing where 2/3 of abortions happen.

Did you know that free requires someone to pay for it? Meaning the tax payers. If you want the tax payers to pay for your abortion, you are not pro choice. You’re just pro choice of abortion. Other choices, like people choosing or not to fund abortion, you don’t support making. Pro “choice” hypocrisy. If you wanna support your favorite abortions chain, then donate. Pro choice is selective on choices that you support. Complain about choices that others take away from you (killing humans) and say someone should not choose to decide if they want to fund an abortion chain, is hypocritical.

I’ll say what i said before, I’m not interested in supporting an abortion chain with my paycheck.

[beekeeper614]

I love this argument just so you know, I’ve had this deflective statement thrown in my face many times.

“Free means the tax payers pay” argrument.

Yes I got free prenatal healthcare that was funded by government taxes THAT I PAID INTO WITH MY TAXES!! I hate this logic!!! Government services are absolute garbage here in the USA and I’m tired of y'all acting like people who get free healthcare, and food assistance, and disability assistance, and childcare assistance are living large on ur shitty percentage of ur most likely shitty paycheck. Most of the people accepting these services have already paid there part into the program through past employment and taxes or is trying to get themselves into a position so they can afford to pay into the programs with their taxes. You guys just want to guilt trip poor people because they are an easy group of people to guilt trip into an embarrassment where they don’t accept any help. These programs are safety nets and the reason the people that bitch about these programs bitch is because they don’t qualify for them without realizing that it’s a god damn blessing to not need government assistance.

And I’m not interested in supporting the military with my paycheck, sweetheart. I’m not interested in my tax payer money being spent on Trump Vacations either.

Stop the “I’m a tax payer bullshit” hun, cause I’m a tax payer too and I’m calling you a whiny baby. Accept the fact that taxes need to be used for services you don’t need because there is a person in this country that does need it. There is a lot of government programs I’ll never need but yes I’ll give a % of my paycheck because someday you might and I want you to get the care you deserve and need. Just like I did. Thank you.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

All you did is whine and didn’t even address your hypocrisy. Wanna be pro choice? well i choose not to fund an abortion chain. I choose to have my money from my paycheck go to where I want it, and frankly it’s not Planned Parenthood. I don’t want to fund an abortion business that thrives of weakness of women who think they have no other choice. MY WALLET MY CHOICE  

[beekeeper614]

Pro-choice means I make the choice with my BODY and no body makes it for me and I don't make it for anyone! I will never tell you what to do with you body.

Prochoice has nothing to do with you being forced to pay your taxes in this country, dipshit. Idc. Don't pay. Commit tax fraud. Have fun.

Like how I'm fighting for the right to my body and your complaining about the right to your money. Whiny bitch baby.

No hypocrity to address.

[beekeeper614]

Why do Republicans always wanna throw the "I'm a tax payer" line in your face like their whole party doesn't actively try to get out of paying taxes...

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[beekeeper614]

Um… Because them donating to candidates that are going to vote to keep them funded and in business is well, going to keep them funded and in business!!!

“Why are we giving this charity $500 if they are going to spend $40 on their electricity bill!!! The Scandal!!” What y'all sound like, ya dumbasses…

And not to mention I’m assuming that 40 mil is over a few years when they get 500 mil a year so why u acting like they using all their money to rig an election??? U wanna go into all the donations from the right side that are being used to defund PP?? Cause I’ll bet its waaayyyyy for than 40 mil lmao

[black-jesus-white-devil-deactiv]

Or the fact they made over a billion dollars in 2017-18 with the tax payer money. Maybe that’s what’s pissing me off. But no your right. @prolife-feminist

[beekeeper614]

Is your problem with PP the fact that provide free healthcare to men and women who most likely desperately need it or is it the abortions? Or is it just the thought of your money going to something you don’t believe??

First, do you know what the fuck the Hyde amendment is? Abortions can not be paid with taxpayer money unless on a state level in Medicaid reimbursement. So fuck ur logic there. Unless u really wanna die on the hill of going after ppl on Medicaid.

Abortions make up 3.7% of the services provided at PP.

Let me tell you, right now as a women with a current high risk pregnancy, PP is my only option for a chance at having a healthy baby right now! I’ve had 3 miscarriages and they are not only helping me with my care which I wouldn’t be able to afford otherwise (since my dad passed a few months ago, I lost his health insurance). And u know what else?? My baby’s dad has come to my appointments and has even made appointments for himself to make sure he is clean and healthy as well. So it’s not just about women. It’s not just about abortions. And as much as your small ass mind thinks it’s not all about the babies either. These are humans. These are People!! Abortions are devasting!! I had to have my second pregnancy removed because it was dying and making me extremely sick in the process. It was heartbreaking and PP was there and even helped me with funeral services during my post hospital checkups.

And you know the argument I usually get when I tell people my experience?? It’s “well you’re a lucky case. I think people like you need things like that and we should find a way to do it but not PP.” Or “I think in your case i don’t mind my tax dollars being spent but other ppl are free loading” bitch, PP was MADE for ppl in my situation!!! Because it is a common ass situation that gets overlooked. Pregnant and non pregnant women need reproductive healthcare and when this fucking system says fuck us and fuck our health and fuck our kids and fuck our rights, you bet your ass Planned Parenthood gonna help those women that fall through the cracks and don’t have access to the HEALTHCARE AND MEDICAL TREATMENT they not only need but fucking deserve!!! Planned parenthood has saved more babies and women than ur prolife movent ever will.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

Free? I heard that its not free. And no, abortion is not free.

The Most Meaningless Abortion Statistic Ever

Amanda, it’s been so long since I’ve seen a reference to the claim that abortions make up only 3 percent of the services  that Planned Paren

This is older, but still applies. It doesn’t matter how many percent of abortions they do, they earn a lot of cash doing it. Now more so because they did 11,000 more abortions in 2018 than 2017. National abortion rate is going down yet PPs numbers are not. Not to mention their other survices have been going down while abortion going up. But don’t take my word for it, see their annual reports and compare.

Anyway, Planned Parenthood is an abortion chain that wants tax payer money, even though it’s a non profit, and lobbies in the interest of less abortion laws so they make money.

And no, they definitely do not save babies. That’s a ridiculous statement.

[beekeeper614]

1st. You ever think that their abortion rates are going up and the nation’s is dropping because people like you are making it impossible to get a safe abortion outside from Planned Parenthood??? So more people are going there for that specific procedure. I wish common sense was your source ffs.

2nd. Yes I’ve received free prenatal healthcare from them on multiple occasions so how are you going to tell me my life experience is a lie? I never said free abortion. I’m well aware of their abortion costs and honestly I’m not educated enough on the financial struggles of women that have them to be spreading my opinion. I’d be willing to listen to someone whose gone through that though. I wish free abortion was a thing but for right now I’m just fighting for abortion to stay a legal thing, even if it does cost money.

So if your telling me the government has to take a tiny ass little scrap % of my pay (I don’t know why you’re acting like I’m not a tax payer as well?) in order to keep the very few places that offer a vital form of women’s healthcare funded then yeah. Fuck you for complaining.

[pro-life-weeb-and-stuff]

No, that’s actually a very dumb thing to say. There aren’t that many PPs in the country. Nobody is taking your safe abortions away. None of what you said explains why their abortion rate is going up while national is going down. Clinics are still very much a thing where 2/3 of abortions happen.

Did you know that free requires someone to pay for it? Meaning the tax payers. If you want the tax payers to pay for your abortion, you are not pro choice. You’re just pro choice of abortion. Other choices, like people choosing or not to fund abortion, you don’t support making. Pro “choice” hypocrisy. If you wanna support your favorite abortions chain, then donate. Pro choice is selective on choices that you support. Complain about choices that others take away from you (killing humans) and say someone should not choose to decide if they want to fund an abortion chain, is hypocritical.

I’ll say what i said before, I’m not interested in supporting an abortion chain with my paycheck.

[beekeeper614]

I love this argument just so you know, I've had this deflective statement thrown in my face many times.

"Free means the tax payers pay" argrument.

Yes I got free prenatal healthcare that was funded by government taxes THAT I PAID INTO WITH MY TAXES!! I hate this logic!!! Government services are absolute garbage here in the USA and I'm tired of y'all acting like people who get free healthcare, and food assistance, and disability assistance, and childcare assistance are living large on ur shitty percentage of ur most likely shitty paycheck. Most of the people accepting these services have already paid there part into the program through past employment and taxes or is trying to get themselves into a position so they can afford to pay into the programs with their taxes. You guys just want to guilt trip poor people because they are an easy group of people to guilt trip into an embarrassment where they don't accept any help. These programs are safety nets and the reason the people that bitch about these programs bitch is because they don't qualify for them without realizing that it's a god damn blessing to not need government assistance.

And I'm not interested in supporting the military with my paycheck, sweetheart. I'm not interested in my tax payer money being spent on Trump Vacations either.

Stop the "I'm a tax payer bullshit" hun, cause I'm a tax payer too and I'm calling you a whiny baby. Accept the fact that taxes need to be used for services you don't need because there is a person in this country that does need it. There is a lot of government programs I'll never need but yes I'll give a % of my paycheck because someday you might and I want you to get the care you deserve and need. Just like I did. Thank you.