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Honestly the lore division between Torchwood and SJA is so funny. On Torchwood they’re like this is our mysterious strange leader with cosmic powers who’s secretly just some guy with no real answers to anything. And on SJA they’re like this is our annoying weird old lady neighbour who has personal beef with god.
I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself.
exec: so for this spinoff we’ll make our main character old, surprisingly old rtd: make him so old. oldest thing. he’s hundreds of years old and he’s just getting older exec: and for this other spinoff we- rtd: opposite old. what’s the opposite of old. a baby. 0 old. can we make someone less than 0 old?
So, I am currently rewatching the Sarah Jane Adventures again (because watching these characters from my childhood is bringing me joy) and while I don’t think anyone is actually going to care enough to read this, I need to put this question into the universe on the slim chance someone might actually have an answer because it’s driving me insane…
Why is Luke not grounded by the Judoon (In Prisoner of the Judoon) but Rani and Clyde are?? It’s never really made clear, at least to me, from that episode whether Luke is included in the grounding or not, which I’d argue he should be because he was with the other two for all the moments with captain Tybo AND is the one who actually instigates the locking of Tybo in the lab to get rid of him… it doesn’t really make sense to me why he wouldn’t be included in the punishment.
Now, like I said, it’s not exactly clear from the moment it happens or in the reference it gets in The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith, which means he could very well be included… until you get to the episode The Empty Planet, where it is explicitly stated that only Clyde and Rani got grounded and that’s why they are the only two left on Earth. Which brings us back to the original question WHY THE HECK ISN’T LUKE ALSO GROUNDED?!?
What am I missing? I have watched these episodes multiple times now - he should have absolutely been included - he was the main perpetrator in acting against Tybos instructions because it was his mum they needed to save before the Judoon got their hands on Androvax!
The only other reasoning I have for it is that, the Empty Planet reference is just a retcon because they’d had to write Luke out of the main action of the series. Though, again, I’d argue that technically there was no way of them confirming whether or not Luke had been affected because there was no means of communicating with each other, plus Luke was over an hours drive away with no way of even knowing anyone else was still on earth. My point being I think there were perfectly plausible reasons for him to have still been stuck on earth but not been present for the action of the episode… is that a less concise narrative situation? Probably, but at least I wouldn’t be going insane trying to understand the logic of him NOT being grounded in the first place!!
Seriously, why was he not grounded?!
I know I’m missing something…
LB :)
I don't think you're missing much of anything! If the grounding was a response to the whole adventure, then Luke should absolutely be indicted as the ringleader of the crime spree. But Rani and Clyde are the only two convicted felons in the room at the end of the episode. The grounding isn't a fresh judgement on everyone, it's Tybo granting the two of them a reprieve by commuting their sentence. The actual sentencing happens earlier in the corridor, when Rani and Clyde run into Tybo and he convicts them of multiple crimes, the punishment for which is immediate execution. That's when they officially become criminals. Despite being the ringleader, Luke physically isn't present to be convicted. He's saved from getting his intergalactic criminal record by the hostage situation. The Judoon only seem to address the offenses immediately in front of them and don't worry about investigating who's masterminding any conspiracies, so Tybo convicts the two people in front of his gun.
So when Tybo turns around and gives them a commuted sentence, he's granting them clemency from the existing death sentence hanging over their heads. Rani and Clyde are no longer criminals facing capital punishment under the shadow proclamation; they're criminals under the shadow proclamation who've had their interstellar travel rights revoked. Luke is equally granted clemency, but since he never got assigned a punishment, in his case it just looks like nothing happening because there's nothing to revoke. Luke was never apprehended, so he continues to get away with all his terrible crimes and legally leave the planet whenever he likes.
I really enjoy torchwood for asking the important question of like what if all your coworkers were in the the worst polycule ever
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it's still killing me that the doctor and the master are canonically each other's emergency contacts. who gets your will when you think you're about to die oh right it's the guy that's been trying to kill you. for centuries
I see I have chanced upon a great time to be reconsidering my temporarily aborted spiral back into who fandom
Maybe it's because I primarily read Sarah through the lens of the SJS audios, but boy the circumstances recanted in Farewell Sarah Jane are DERANGED. Exactly how I would expect Sarah to do it, tbh, but hilariously presented by everyone around her as a healthy thoughtful way to manage your own death.
Listen Sarah gave those kids everything she had. Love. Adventure. Emotional detachment. The inability to express affection except through crisis. The foundational belief that if you're brilliant enough, nobody ever has to die (developed after choosing to let her best friend die and being haunted by it forever).
she's fine :)
Maybe it's because I primarily read Sarah through the lens of the SJS audios, but boy the circumstances recounted in Farewell Sarah Jane are DERANGED. Exactly how I would expect Sarah to do it, tbh, but hilariously presented by everyone around her as a healthy thoughtful way to manage your own death.
‘average classic who companion never gets over the doctor’ factoid actually just statistical error. average classic who companion is typically relatively well adjusted after leaving the doctor. sarah jane smith, who never got over the doctor so hard she metaphorically became a new entirely different kind of the doctor, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
Okay, Farewell Sarah Jane was very sweet and all, but you can't tell me Luke Smith is out there in his thirties working for UNIT. I refuse to accept it. Luke, whose biggest passion in life is cosplaying as an NPC, is working for his mum’s contact list? He has a MILITARY RANK? He wakes up every morning and puts on a lanyard for Space Army?
No. Listen. Sky is a god or whatever, Rani and Clyde are out there being heroes, and Luke is a junior official working on train signal optimisation, who has reduced the average commute time across South London by four minutes but his manager still refuses to put ‘exceeded expectations’ in his end of year review.
Discovered there was a SJA Big Finish series and have been slammed full force in the chest with the memories of how much I love local terrible woman Sarah Jane Smith
