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THE SUPERNATURAL GIF CHALLENGE | crowleey vs. barryallhen round eighteen | favorite character + favorite scene | crowley & dean in 10x17
I get your righteousness about Dean, I do. He deserves better. (Hell everyone in SPN does.) With complicated characters with a diverse fandom, I get that you're defensive & protective of Dean & that you might carry anger over Sam's actions. I'm sure that's how some Sam fans feel too. But to blatantly hate a nuanced character, a good guy, blaming Sam for almost all that's wrong in Dean's life when both brothers have a tendency to bring down & build each other up seems excessive. Thoughts? No hate
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Who exactly is blaming Sam for everything wrong in Dean’s life?? I blame Sam for his part sure, but not for anything he didn’t actually do.
To clarify, it’s how Sam acts, what he says, what he does; it’s his attitude and behaviors that earn him anger, annoyance, and complaints from some fans (which is not the same as hatred. Criticism? yes, it earns him a lot of that). And one thing that exacerbates the situation is the fact that the narrative pushes the audience to look at these behavior patterns and attitudes and conclude that Sam is “the good guy” just because he’s the protagonist. It’s frustrating to be force fed a lie. They could have written a good character instead, or addressed Sam’s bad behavior and had him grow/learn, but they didn’t. They wrote him as a chaotic, manipulative, and poorly behaved character, and rather than exploring that honestly, they TOLD us “he’s good b/c we said so” while he continued to behave badly and be deux ex machina’d out of any real consequences it. So…yeah. That pisses some people off.
I literally cackled at how dumbshit this ask was holy fuck.
Anon, you say “no hate”, but I struggle to fathom how you can mean that, seeing as how your claim that you understand why we would be protective of Dean and think he deserves better is completely untrue. It has been stated crystal clear ad nauseum that it’s SAM’S INHUMANE TREATMENT OF DEAN that causes us to feel this way, and you come out of that saying you understand but omg wtf how could you ever think badly of Sam?
Fucking what?
Just admit it, you didn’t read the blog, you just saw “Sam hate”, got your panties in a twist about how we could ever hate your perfect beautiful boi uwuuuu, and shot off this ask immediately.
Get back to me when you experience a family member doing all these things to you and have decided it’s perfectly okay and wtf why would anyone “let” these things affect their view of them:
They are your world, your only refuge from your abusive father, and who you have sacrificed their entire childhood for. Suddenly, they leave you with him, alone. They ignore all of your calls with no explanation, and never contact you again.
They start doing drugs while you are dealing with PTSD, and abandon you for a fix with their dealer every chance they get; lie about it constantly. By the way, they are buying their heroin from the same gang that kidnapped you for over half your life and gave you that PTSD to start with.
For some fucking reason, they decide their MS13 contact is more trustworthy than you.
They call you weak for having PTSD
(Which, incidentally, is their fault in the first place.)
You believe that you have one of the best bonds siblings can have, and assume that they value all of the costly sacrifices you made for them. You catch up with their friends and social media accounts, only to find out that they have never even mentioned you. You have never been important enough to reminisce about.
When you confront them with the idea that maybe it’s bad for them to be doing smack, they beat the shit out of you. Then, when you are lying on the floor nearly unconscious, they decide that they need to consolidate their power and dominate you so that you never question them ever again. They look into your eyes, and see nothing that stops them: They proceed to strangle you within an inch of death.
He tells you to eat shit for saying that you have trouble trusting him considering his MS13 allies. Commence emotional blackmail.
You go missing, and your mutual friend is kidnapped. Your brother fucks off to fuck some girl for an entire year instead of looking for you. You think that perhaps it’s reasonable for them to have believed you were dead already so maybe it’s okay, but then you find out they left the obviously alive friend for dead as well.
You spend the entire year in a literal warzone. Your brother is vociferously, self-righteously angry that you’re upset about being left there. He verbally browbeats you about it whenever it comes up. You are never allowed your emotions.
You became best friends with one of your war buddies. Instead of appreciating that your BFF had your back in his absence, your brother becomes jealous. None of your character witness matters; you are weak and dumb, remember? He has your BFF framed for murder and deported back to his horrible war-torn home country. This includes physical assault on your person.
You listen when, in a near-death haze, your brother decides that maybe the DNR order he had tattooed on his chest was a bad idea and agrees not to pull the plug.
Less than a year after abandoning you to a war zone, your brother disowns you for saving his life, even with his consent.
You admit all of your self-loathing, suicidal insecurities. Your brother confirms all of them with his silence.
Later, he admits that he didn’t actually want to die but disowned you anyway.
You were parentified by your father as a child. Being asked to parent another child that is not yours is a cruel continuation of your abuse, but your brother asks you anyway, seemingly with no understanding as to why you would object. When you refuse, they refer to you by the name of your abusive father.
Because of this, you later admit that you are thinking of suicide. Your brother doesn’t talk to you about it, advise therapy, or stop trying to rekindle your abuse. They have always made fun of you for your perceived promiscuity, and instead, they take you to a strip club. Instead of receiving emotional support or having your grievances responded to, you are treated like Neanderthal whose emotional ills are insubstantial and can be solved with directed bloodflow.
Imagine ALL OF THESE THINGS happening to you. All of them, courtesy of the exact same individual. Now tell me: Do you feel your brother is a totally good dude that should be forgiven and whom you should totally be associating with?
I’ll give you a hint: Almost all of them are reasons to cut contact by themselves.
Tell me– when has Dean ever done anything as bad as these things to Sam? To the same frequency as Sam? Unprovoked? Where is this equivalence you swear by?
None of this includes the malignant narcissism that colors all of Sam’s actions towards Dean, of course, and also none of the fucked up things Sam has done to people other than Dean.
And where the fuck is this “good character” you speak of? Are you just in love with the idea of a nerdy wubbie hunter boi, and haven’t payed any attention to his actual characterization for the last 11 seasons?
At the beginning of the series, Sam defies hunter norms by befriending a vampire and letting her go free. In Season 8A, he tells his brother’s vampire BFF with demonstrated trustworthiness and vegetarianism to eat shit and die, and makes sure it happens. In Season 8B, he bitches Dean out for killing his murderous Kitsune GF. In Season 12, Sam literally teams up with his torturers because of how badly he wants to eradicate all monsters from the face of the earth. In Season 13, he tells Dean to eat shit and die for not wanting to raise the literal spawn of Satan. Where is the consistency? Who the fuck even is this Sam guy?
Every time Sam does something wrong, he either refuses to take responsibility, solely blames Dean instead, or shifts it onto Dean as well even when he acted alone, suddenly turning “my” responsibility into “ours”. (Drinking demon blood, trusting Ruby, losing Dean’s trust, trusting the BMOL, releasing Lucifer a second time, releasing the Darkness against Dean’s orders, ETC ETC ETC). Even when Dean was literally dead at the time, Sam could not stop himself from shifting blame onto him. Sam cannot have heroic redemption arcs because he is never allowed to admit he did anything wrong in the first place. The teeth have been removed from all of Sam’s mytharcs because of this.
His mytharc is supposed to be that he has an evil nature to fight, but when he acts on this evilness (murdering the nurse for her blood etc) neither we nor anyone around him are allowed to acknowledge that they are evil actions. We are literally expected to pretend everything is fine. We are never allowed to enjoy the antihero storyline. As someone that reads ‘hero turned into evil creature (especially a vampire so he gets to eat people)’ fiction almost compulsively, this show’s failure to attract me to Sam’s arc is a colossal failure that cannot be overstated.
Ironically, Dean makes a better antihero through his experiences as Alistair’s pupil, which is just fucking amazing since none of it was his desire or his fault, so he doesn’t even technically qualify as an antihero. Why? Because Dean takes responsibility for his actions, and next to that, has a legitimately virtuous persona to contrast. Sam is just a shade of pure, uniform gray. None of his actions are allowed to crystallize nor do they contrast with each other, so we are never surprised by anything he does.
This show has been going for 13 fucking seasons and Sam still hasn’t come to terms with his psychic kid/vessel status, to the point where he’s constantly trusting monsters and shit not for their own virtues (remember how creepy his treatment of Jack was?) but for the desperate, uncomfortable, insecure belief that if he can prove they’re fine then he’s fine too. It ends in failure every fucking time but he just won’t stop projecting. (Benny didn’t count though because he was similar to Dean, not Sam, so his weird projection didn’t work so Sam’s supposed desire to redeem monsters magically disappeared.) It’s fucking tiring, where the fuck is his character development?
Why was he not allowed to learn anything from sacrificing himself to the Cage? NONE of his character changed after he came back. He still repeated the same patterns of emotional blackmail and gross irresponsibility over and over again.
His entire Cage storyline was a pathetic cribbing of Dean’s Hell storyline. How compelling lol
And we cannot forget these loveable character traits:
Pathetic manbaby that doesn’t iron his own clothes or cook his own meals
Makes disgusting pissfaces every other time his brother exhibits happiness, even and especially when he knows Dean is suicidal
Shows disgust for the hunting profession; leaves the heroic pursuits we watch this show to see at every opportunity available; only hunts when he has a personal stake in matters (revenge) and consistently acts as a foil for altruistically-hunting Dean (Folsom Prison Blues for ex., when he argues that inmates should just get fucked by ghosts)
He’s a grown man and his bitchiness is literally a character trait that is so huge that canon has given it lipservice
Sticks his filthy hands into Dean’s grieving processes constantly like some kind of creepy voyeur
Demonstrated knowledge of John’s abuse of Dean, but blames Dean for his beaten-in urge to parent Sam anyway and acts baffled and pissy at Dean’s low self-esteem.
Grown man that acts like an angsty teenager with all this “Get away from me Dean you’re not my real Dad” bullshit but then blames Dean for his independent actions anyway
So, let’s recap. Sam is supposed to be an antihero, but we’re not allowed to treat him like one and he refuses to acknowledge let alone own it, so that arc is gone. Sam makes world-ending mistakes, but he doesn’t take responsibility so he doesn’t have heroic redemption arcs either. Sam barely tolerates the hunting profession and often finds reasons to abandon victims, so he’s shitcanned his own conventional hero arc as well. Sam is not black, or gray, or white. So seriously, who is this dude and why am I supposed to care about him?
Feel free to add more lads, I could go on all day tbh
You know? I just once wished Dean had told Sam off for all the crap he has done to him. Made it clear that if he ever, for example, lied to him again, he would be gone. Maybe then Dean wouldn't get stepped over again and again by the brother he gives all he has for.
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The thing is… the closest we have to this (to my knowledge - I haven’t watched past mid season 10) is Southern Comfort in season 8 when Dean is possessed by that penny spirit and he tries to kill Sam… that ends with Sam telling Dean off when Dean tries to apologize, claiming Dean “didn’t need that penny to say all of that” (as if if that was the case, he wouldn’t have said it the whole time???), acts like everything Dean says was invalid, then threatens to kill Benny as a means of asserting power.
Sam’s an abusive ass. Dean standing up for himself wouldn’t change Sam being an abusive ass.
I get your righteousness about Dean, I do. He deserves better. (Hell everyone in SPN does.) With complicated characters with a diverse fandom, I get that you're defensive & protective of Dean & that you might carry anger over Sam's actions. I'm sure that's how some Sam fans feel too. But to blatantly hate a nuanced character, a good guy, blaming Sam for almost all that's wrong in Dean's life when both brothers have a tendency to bring down & build each other up seems excessive. Thoughts? No hate
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You know? I just once wished Dean had told Sam off for all the crap he has done to him. Made it clear that if he ever, for example, lied to him again, he would be gone. Maybe then Dean wouldn't get stepped over again and again by the brother he gives all he has for.
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Dean has always been used, lied to, betrayed,hurt and more, by his family. Sam and John always used him for their benefits. Dean is obviously so much broken and damaged, its painful to watch. And it's never stopping.
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I'm still bitter.
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veneredirimmel:
i think that emotional space is not just physical space, but also metaphorical. mary needed physical distance from sam and dean to deal with her feelings and that’s okay and should be respected - which dean did with his text offering also the possibility of more emotional distance when he asked her if he should call her mary instead of mom. but dean also needed the metaphorical space to deal with his own feelings in the way he deemed fit. which gets described as being ‘cranky’. cranky= irritable, peevish. and for pete’s sake, this is a very mild reaction to what mary did and dean’s long story with abandonement both physical and emotional.
my question is why in sam’s opinion (or the writer whatever you chose) it is okay to respect mary’s boundaries to deal with her feelings the way she deems worth or fit, but dean’s specific way is deemed wrong? what exactly was bothering sam here? that dean was dealing? the way he was dealing? that dean has any feeling at all? because i don’t see what his problem is and the only thing i can conclude is that he was bothered that dean had feelings that were annoying him (if i want to be unkind) or (if i want to be kind) that dean’s attention was taken by something else. which is very sam-like in my understanding of the character but surely not what the writing was going for as it only lampshaded dean’s need to deal better with his feelings.
this is a weird take on the way to deal with emotional distress.
exactly what kind of ‘lesson’ is being given here and to whom?
It freaks me out that some people seriously try to claim Dean is abusive. Are they insane? How can their perception be that warped?
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The idea that breaking under constant hell torture is a sign of weakness. The idea that you aren’t strong because you finally broke after thirty years of torture dished out by the hell’s best torturer.
The idea that your family can make fun of you when you are literally dying from a ghost-induced sickness. The idea that you can be seen as a dick who deserved what was coming for him precisely because of what you did in hell, under torture.
The idea that you are responsible for your grown-up, totally adult brother’s actions, blunders. The idea that you shouldn’t complain when your brother strangles you because “family is there to hurt you, you princess”. The idea that you are responsible for starting the apocalypse and must pay because you broke under torture, because you were unable to stop your brother, because somehow it was all your fault.
I don’t know about you, but I find this so so disturbing on so many levels.
Dean never gets a reset, he never gets a do-over, he never gets the luxury of letting go.
Dean’s pain is his, his memories are his, his burdens are his, his to endure, his to remember, his to carry for an eternity. Hell, Purgatory, His mother’s death, Betrayals, Horrors–Dean remembers and relives everything, every single thing. There is no magical cure for him, no instant fix, no healing touch. Dean’s body gets fixed, occasionally, like an old car rebuilt from scraps, but his mind, his mind stays untouched, broken, full of pain. Forever.
Sam stan justifies Sam lying to Dean for months about the BotD because: “Dean wanted to kill everything in sight!!” Everything in sight being demons (wait, they do that anyway), monsters (yep, they do that anyway, too) and rapists/sex slavers (because that’s what it’s called when you SELL someone to someone else for sex), who were actively trying to murder him at the time. Yeah sure, “everything in sight,” okay.
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Dear spn writers, Whoopifying Sam does not actually make him more compelling or even more sympathetic. Just write a better character. And maybe not sideline the best character/actor you have on the show.
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