“all answers! I OKAY with Lukas” translation (part 1)
Annika: So! We didn’t change clothes!
Annika: It’s a few weeks later but we’re still wearing the same clothes. And hello guys and welcome to this video. I already announced a few weeks ago that there will be an extra video about transgender in regards to the series Druck which is also by funk, it’s linked in the description. Its 3rd season was about…
Lukas: …Matteo, a gay boy who firstly has to accept the fact that he is homosexual himself, and then falls in love with David. But as he realizes that Matteo is very much interested in David, he distances himself because he’s transgender and doesn’t know how to deal with it.
Annika: And we’ll talk about a few scenes I picked out. It’s best if you watch the show first, it’s linked in the info box–
Lukas: There’ll be spoilers here…
Annika: Yeah, here will definitely be spoilers, just now, in fact. I think we should stop rambling now and begin!
Okay, in episode 25 David distances himself from Matteo because the point is drawing near that he has to come out as transgender sooner or later. Now I wanted to ask you if something like this happened to you in real life as well, i.e. that someone fell in love with you and you had to come out and it got worse because of that.
Lukas: Uhm, no, for me it was that if you’re trans – this is my experience, I can only talk about my experience – uhm, during that time where people start dating I had to spend a lot of time with myself, inevitably, because of puberty when things changed that made me not feel comfortable. Which is why during that time there was no place for a relationship or sexuality for me. And my first relationship was when I – I wasn’t out, I wasn’t out to school – but the relationship was from a youth club in Hamburg, a LGBT youth club, that’s where I met him and he was pansexual and then we were together. And yeah.
Lukas: But that was – well, until now I never had this situation regarding a relationship where I really waited such a long time for it to get problematic, but I understand it very well; he came to school with the intention to just get through it, he was bullied at his old school… But I would advise everyone to be as open with it as you can, because at the end of the day you have to talk about it and if you’re really important to that person, then…
Annika: Yeah, I always tell men before they fall in love with me that I’m lesbian, so…
Lukas: Every man, really, right?
Annika: Yes it’s so exhausting!
Lukas: Hello, I’m lesbian, I know, I’m sorry.
Annika: Hello I’m lesbian!
Then there was also an iconic line in the show: “It’s not you, it’s me”
Annika: A classic, I’ve said it before, have you?
Annika: Hey now! Mobile phones have to be turned off during class!
Annika: Raise your hands if you said that line at some point. Nice.
Lukas: I think in that moment David says that as well…
Annika: But it’s so true!! I mean if you don’t have feelings for someone than it’s you yourself. Well, also it’s the other person because they’re not compatible with – okay let’s move on.
So! Next thing I wrote down, episode 28, the outing.
Lukas: The outing. *dum dum dum*
Annika: I wrote this down because… Matteo, in that moment, was really overwhelmed by the information.
(cut to druck clip of David coming out)
Is that– does that happen often, that people are really overwhelmed with the situation when you tell them that, yeah, I was a woman, I mean– uh, that’s also reprehensible, isn’t it?
Lukas: Yeah yeah yeah, a woman, ah??
Annika: I mean physically!
Annika: Phew! It’s so hard, I’m sitting here and have to struggle…
Lukas: Me too, hello? Even I can say something transphobic. But, that’s the thing: when I say something transphobic it’s always like “No. He’s transgender, he can’t be transphobic, that’s complicated”.
For me it’s like that by now, yes. When you’re not passing, when people look at you and are still like… have to think about it then it’s mostly like… “okay, huh, what does that mean?”, which pronouns, which names and stuff, but by now, since I’m very passing fortunately–
Annika: Passing means you are,,,
Lukas: That you’ll be recognized as the gender you feel.
Annika: Learned something again.
Lukas: Exactly. These are the terms. And then it’s mostly just “Huh? Okay?”… But I honestly have to say that I don’t run around and say hey I’m trans when I meet someone.
Lukas: Yeah, like that! Even a lot of the cast – background info – a lot of the cast, even when we were in the middle of filming, thought I’m cisgender. They didn’t know I’m trans.
Annika: Awesome. I also thought, I really would have liked to watch this without knowing that you’re a trans man. If I would’ve checked that or not. You can write in the comments how that was for you.
Lukas: Yeah, if one of you didn’t know that spoiler already.
Annika: Yeah, and now a general question that might be a bit emotional, but… does rejection happen often?
Lukas: Rejection… naturally there are friends that come and go. When I came out pubically, in school, there were a few people who distanced themselves but that was okay for me because I don’t need these kind of people…
Annika: I always say you can sort out your friends really well like this. If people stay with you despite that information – this sounds so stupid – because you’re still the same person as before, then they are real friends and people who are like “oh my gooood nooo byeee” then you can sort them out, that’s what I always say, which is why it isn’t a loss.
Lukas: Yeah, with transgender it’s always like, “are you someone else now?” but you’re still the same person, it’s just the gender that’s now right and the way you feel and how you want to be addressed as.
I had a job offer with children that was denied because I’m transgender. And that, that was… that hurt a little. But that was in the moment that they told me “can’t you work as female here?”
Lukas: I mean, “start working here, that’s almost the same, we also had lesbian people here” and I was like yeah. Cool.
Annika: What is that even– What even is the difference???
Lukas: Yeah… they were like, “we’re afraid the parents might have a problem with this and that you’re confusing the children”, so these classic statements…
Annika: Oh my god… Every kid that I touch turns lesbian. It is contagious.
But then I declined with thanks to work there as a girl.
Annika: A scene that I found beautiful is when Matteo talked to his flatmate and the flatmate just said “hey, what even is your problem with David being transgender? What do you like about him?” and this question was so nice, what do you like about him, because I think the same thing. I love that person not because they’re a woman but because the way they are. I mean, that she’s a woman is an influence, but… the person themselves is important. That’s what I wanted to say and that’s what I found beautiful.
(cut to druck clip of Matteo talking to Hans about David)
Lukas: And that is what you have to decide for yourself, to say, okay, can I imagine being with a trans man – I can’t force anyone to be into me?
Lukas: But in the show it was nice for me to have Hans ask what is the important thing.
Annika: Then it comes to the big outing in school. Because the PE teacher doesn’t want to grade David as a man but as a woman.
(cut to druck clip of the coming out)
Lukas: You can’t say that it’s not unrealistic. It is realistic.
The problem with school is always grading and especially regarding PE, boys and girls are graded differently, and…
Annika: I always got so upset because I wanted to be graded the same way as boys, they’re not better than I am! But at high jump I was kinda glad that girls were graded differently…
Lukas: That scene is only on the phone’s display and we started to act this scene in the changing room and Neuhaus says to David “but that’d be so positive for you, you’re getting better grades then!”. Mr. Neuhaus in our story – that was important for us and the actor – he’s not just evil. He’s not doing this to make David feel bad but he wanted to help him actually. David reacts accordingly, he’s like uh no? and that’s what makes him mad, he has his plan and that didn’t work out. And with school it’s difficult, there are a lot of things that you have to be aware of. Before I was out I talked to my school for about a month what you can do, with names, on certifications and such, all of that has to do with your ID and burocracy, uh, pretty boring stuff. And toilets, for example, too. In one scene, David comes out of a toilet which is actually a toilet for the teachers. At my school I got the key for the disabled toilet, which is of course a bit… critical… transgender isn’t a disability. That wasn’t what that meant. It draws attention to you, which isn’t convenient but… you have to find solutions so that everyone can deal with it.
I think what you have to say is that the reactions of the students on that staircase are a first reaction. It’s not something where they group up because they’re standing there a bit like chickens on the roost and are like “okay. now you’re over. You’re out of this school”…
People react to a new information that they didn’t expect and that’s the big thing in that moment.
Annika: Especially at that age there’ll be big gossip.
Lukas: When I came out to my school, my classmates reacted really positively and were really nice and I don’t want anyone who’s transgender and watches this show to think this is what will happen, I mean you can also see in the following episodes that–
Annika: That everyone stand up for him because that’s something normal.
Annika: Often it’s better to be self-confident, because then people think “okay, I won’t say anything then”. When they realize that you’re an easy target then they attack you.
Lukas: Right. You shouldn’t be ashamed of who you are or what makes you different but be proud because that’s what makes you to the person that you are.
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