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I saw a tweet saying, ‘Aziraphale likes strawberry ice’, ‘Crowley likes vanilla ice cream’, and ‘They’re eating each other’... oh...
The foreshadowing from S1, where Crowley(in Aziraphale) chose vanilla ice cream and Aziraphale(in Crowley) chose strawberry ice pop, has been resolved.
The Little Principality for @go-events Book Fest
Crowley Of The Day: boop
Aziraphale looks solo smitten 🥰
My favourite headcanon, which many of us seem to agree on, is that Anthony walks past the bookshop several times before gathering the courage to step in. --- So that's why Derek was so sure Anthony likes Asa. 🤣 --- @goodomensafterdark
Teeny tiny ice cream date ♡
(I'm having fun with these little two second doodles haha)
Crowley and Aziraphale in the opening sequence of Go, they are and always will be together
Anyway, I guess since I’m done trying to be thoughtful and considerate and has fallen entirely to the depths of Salt then I probably take this opportunity to make one thing clear:
I am the World’s Biggest S02E01 Cold Open Hater. If Good Omens S02E01 Cold Open has a million Haters, I one of them. If Good Omens S02E01 Cold Open has ten Haters, I am one of them. If Good Omens S02E01 Cold Open has only one Hater, that is me. If Good Omens S02E01 Cold Open has no Haters then I have been erased from the Book of Life. I could honestly bring myself to have more positive things to say about the fucking Asa/Anthony Ending then I do about the writing decision to retcon Aziraphale and Crowley as having met in Heaven before Crowley’s fall.
Like, that trope of Aziraphale and Crowley meeting as Angels was one of my least favorites back when it was still a fanfiction trope and, like, sometimes a piece of serialized media canonizes a theory or a headcanon I didn’t like, but manages to do so in a way that totally subvert all of my misgiving about it and makes me actually love, or at least accept, that decision…. But that was absolutely not one of these times.
I still felt like it seriously diminished the importance of Earth and Humanity and the thematic choice of having Eden as the place their story and romance begins in and I disliked how it’s like the official starting point of “ooooh Crowley was such a big important Angel” rather them letting them be Some Guys who are ‘special’ primarily just due to their connection with Humans, and I especially especially HATE how it went out of its way to recontextualize the Eden Flashback in a way that just weakens its meaning for both Aziraphale and Crowley’s characters!
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But, you know, I was trying to not make this ruin the show for me. You know, a fantheory I hate got canonized but I can still appreciate the show for what it is! And it does seem like they’re at least doing some interesting Character Drama with the whole Angel Crowley thing, and since Aziraphale’s desire to have Crowley reinstated as an Angel is clearly framed as foolish and Crowley keeps trying to distance himself from that former identity and still seems to define their relationship as starting at Eden this storyline is clearly going to conclude with Aziraphale realizing that Crowley’s former Angelic identity doesn’t matter that much and that his brief infatuation with his cute excitable co-worker was not the most important part of his thousands of years of falling in love with Crowley, right?
(And to be honest, like, I didn’t like most of the Metatron Manipulating Book of Life Conspiracy Theories that came at the wake of Season 2, I felt like diminishing Aziraphale’s agency in making mistakes is also diminishing his character and his eventual arc… But I did hold deep down one weird rebellious irrational hope that maybe the ONE important thing that was changed is that the Metatron wrote in the S02E01 opening, changed Crowley and Aziraphale’s personal history so that they met in Heaven before Eden. So that Aziraphale would have a fixation on Angel!Crowley and forget that he was the kind of person who would strike a kind casual conversation with a Demon and shield him from the rain, even if he was a total stranger. That way we could still circle back to Eden being the true first meeting between the two and not totally remove Aziraphale’s agency in choosing Heaven (he could’ve still decided that reversing Crowley's fall was an Obviously Bad Idea, and also maybe noticed the inconsistencies in the alterations to his memory/history on his own). It was a total long shot that it would turn out like that, but I still held out that hope for that kind of plot development until the moments GO3 aired. )
AND THEN OF COURSE GO3, okay the idea that it would be a Book of Life retcon was clearly a pipe dream, but the way GO3 did deal with Angel!Crowley just doubled-down on like every single thing I didn’t like about the S02E01 Cold Open; the diminishing of Aziraphale’s character and making it seem like all of his positive qualities are because of Crowley, making Crowley’s former Angelic identity and his Fall the Most Important Aspects to the derailment of any other aspect of his character, treating Crowley’s own definition of his personal identity as the One Thing He WAS Apparently Wrong About, making Aziraphale’s ‘love confession’ one where he STILL hasn’t gotten over his ‘Angel = Good’ bullshit and thus this character arc never really get resolved AND making it seem like the last 6000 years of Slow Burn and relationship development were less important than one brief meeting at the very start and also subsequently underplaying the importance of Earth and Humanity and EDEN to Crowley and Aziraphale (even as the whole ending is supposed to hinge on their relationship to Humanity) to the point that despite the whole ‘it starts, as it will end, with a garden’ stuff, Asa and Anthony’s final scene is much more of a callback to Before the Beginning then Eden…
Aziraphale never even told Crowley he thinks his yellow demonic snake eyes are pretty!!! Fuck!!!
So yeah, I hate the S02E01 Cold Open. I hate that I ever tried to give it the benefit of the doubt. I hate everything GO3 did with it. I hate Angel Cro-
Okay, no, wait, I don’t hate Angel Crowley himself. He’s good, he’s an innocent cute little baby boy (gender neutral), it’s not his fault everything the plot did with him was to the derailment of both his co-star and his future self.
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So, three years ago I did a playlist to deal with the Good Omens season 2 finale as a way to cope with the pain and all.
As service to community I'm sharing again a new playlist, now dedicated to the ending of this great, amazing, precious story. I've been feeling a lot. A LOT. A giant mix of emotions, because since the allegations towards that awful man happened, I buried a fragment of my feelings regarding that matter to keep up with the expectations of a closure, a good ending. Hanging myself to this story with their amazing protagonists, producers, visuals, narrative, all that meant the world to me in a moment I needed to believe in safe spaces and the posibilites to exist in this hostile world. So, yeah.
If this is useful for anyone too, here you have. There are some songs in Spanish and I think I don't have the translated versions in that playlist, but I'm way to dishearten to curate that playlist the way I did with the previous one.
Enjoy, cry, breathe, write, read, dance, do whatever you need to do with your emotions. Luv ya.
someone on twitter (X) pointed out that vox behaving is reminding of helga pataki from "hey, arnold", so... here i am with the contribution to it
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Crowley's BPD Traits And Why They Are Important;
We all know our beloved ineffable husbands are neurodivergent icons. Despite not being human they both act like neurodivergent humans would (and do).
Today I thought we would take a look specifically at Crowley and his BPD traits and what they mean.
(Also before we start; a trigger warning for talks and mentions of suicide, depression, mood swings, drinking, and trauma).
First what is BPD? BPD stands for Borderline Personality Disorder.
"A mental disorder characterized by unstable moods, behavior, and relationships." -Mayo Clinic
BPD is a disorder caused by trauma. Trauma is of course different for every individual. So while some demons may seem perfectly content with the fall from Heaven, others may have been significantly traumatized. And I believe this is where Crowley falls (pun very intended).
So we covered how Crowley could have developed BPD, but let's talk about their traits.
The DSM-5 lists 9 Criteria for BPD, of which at least 5 are required for diagnosis. We will be covering each one and how (or how they don't) apply to Crowley.
1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment:
As we know BPD is caused by trauma, but more specifically it can be trauma that deals with abandonment. Say God casting you down to Hell for simply asking questions?
This can lead to the person with BPD going through frantic efforts to avoid abandonment happening ever again.
We can see this most in Crowley when she argues with Aziraphale. Can you count how many times Crowley tries to run away with Aziraphale so that he doesn't leave him during an argument? It's three. They have done this three times (and that's just the on screen ones, who knows whats happened in 6,000 years!).
2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
Now this one is harder to see in Crowley because this trait of BPD (and many others) comes out most in romantic partners. And Crowley has only ever had one apple in his eye, Aziraphale. But even just with their relationship with Aziraphale we can see this.
While Crowley never directs his anger at Aziraphale we can definitely see how much the angel affects him. Their arguments that can lead to them not talking for decades, Crowley literally exploding with lighting because of his anger.
An example I find most interesting is Crowley's entire perception of Aziraphale changing when he sees Aziraphale let the people in the flood die. And this perception is only fixed in the Job minisode when Aziraphale does the right thing again. All it takes is one incident for Crowley to change her mind.
3. Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
I think this is most obvious in the opening to season 2 where Crowley is questioning the meaning of life and more importantly his role as a demon.
But this isn't the only demon related identity disturbance Crowley faces. A common identity disturbance for those with BPD is believing that they are evil. This is caused by trauma but is also not helped by the stigma Cluster B disorders face.
Crowley believes he must be evil because he is a demon. He lies because he is a demon. Just like someone with BPD may believe they are evil for their disorder or are manipulative because of it. But in reality that may not be the whole truth. You can still be a good person despite being a demon, despite having a disorder.
4. Impulsivity in at least 2 areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating).
Do... Do I need to explain this one?
Crowley is an alcoholic. He casually drinks but will also drink anytime a slight inconvenience pops up.
Crowley is also known for going "too fast". He is almost always speeding in the Bentley.
5. Recurrent suicidal behaviour, gestures or threats, or self-mutilating behaviour.
This is one of the ones that is harder to apply to Crowley simply because she is a demon, not a human. It is much harder for him to kill himself. And while this trait must be recurrent I still think it's important to bring up the Holy Water incident.
Crowley tells Aziraphale the holy water is just for insurance, but Aziraphale knows Crowley better than that and was right to assume it could probably be for a suicide pill. (Even if it did come in handy as insurance later). But the fact Aziraphale assumes that I believe is telling.
6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
We see a few different times where Crowley's mood shifts into extremes.
We already discussed the lighting incident. I think another big show of their anger is how he treats his plants in season 1. While yes it is them recreating their trauma with God (Metatron?) and being thrown out of Heaven, that anger comes from somewhere.
Jim short for James, long for Gabriel also sparks this anger in Crowley to the point of threatening his life and telling him to jump out of a window.
Crowley's depression is seen on the biggest spotlight when talking about the fall. Their sentiments about not meaning to fall, that she only ever asked questions.
7. Chronic feelings of emptiness.
Unfortunately I can't speak on this one purely because I do not live in Crowley's head. I do not recall it ever being something mentioned or showed. That doesn't mean it can't happen to her of course, but let's stick with the facts.
8. Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
As you can see BPD deals with anger a lot. so I will once again bring up some points we've already made. With the lighting incident, and good old Jimmy-boy.
I also just wanted to mention we know Crowley appears a bit angry at most times as well as Muriel describes him as "the grumpy one". Just thought it was a fun, helpful detail.
9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms.
This one is also a bit hard because again I am not in Crowley's head but also she does in fact have plenty to worry about that is real.
But Crowley does still show paranoid ideation. His distrust of others, disorganized thoughts (talking about ducks and the end of the world at the same time), feeling threatened, thinking he's being spied on (the ducks have ears).
Lots of ducks.
Now some may think diagnosing/headcanoning a character with specific mental illnesses is silly, and maybe it is! But I still believe it's important. Why?
Well for starters; representation is always important. Seeing someone similar to you on screen you can relate to and find joy and comfort in. Or maybe they're just raising awareness. Or just showing that hey, these people exist.
But I also wanted to touch on the stigma of BPD and other Cluster B disorders.
I touched on it briefly in an earlier point but BPD is heavily stigmatized. Many people treat the disorder as evil and manipulative. That the people with it don't deserve love or kindness. Which is of course simply not true.
Most of the characters coded with BPD today are antagonists and/or villains. Think Jinx from Arcane or Spinel from Steven Universe. These characters are amazingly written and performed and I do love them dearly. And there is nothing wrong with them, but it is nice to even the playing field. To have a character with traits of BPD who is fundamentally good and does the right thing. They are a protagonist of their story and even a hero!
And that is why I think Crowley is good representation of BPD (even if it was not intended that way).
And here's hoping to season 3 so our demon (and angel) get a happy ending!
Recently my psychologists suggested I might have BPD. Of course we can't confirm until psychiatric evaluation (which will not be soon due to saturation on the sanitary system of my country). But the thing is that I loved Crowley from the moment I saw them. I kinn him and wanna be him at the same time. Now it's starting to be very revealing.
Fun fact: As this trait about having no stable sense of self identity I started to dress and walk as Crowley (just like I do with many other characters I obsess over haha).
Mi tragedia personal, es que a veces siento que no sé existir en mi propio cuerpo tal como es, sin medicamentos que me ayuden a sobrepasar cada día sin sentir que arrastro el pesado pasado de años y años, justo sobre mi pecho y mis hombros.
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