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I read the post, sounds good, take care.
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@grieftrap
I read the post, sounds good, take care.
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tbh IM hoo @mirthfulbard if you want to talk abt this privately w me bc i’m logging out of tumblr & if u want to resolve it w me personally privately fine but if not talk to hoo bc i’m not going to sit here & talk publicly & pretend that this isn’t even remotely related to ooc issues. you and i both know it is. not going to talk abt my personal issues publicly and that’s for my own comfort.
(( “my character is misconstruing your character’s actions and acting negatively” is fair and makes sense, but, there’s no way for me or anyone else to tell the difference between that and ooc assumptions about the character without some kind of …disclaimer, I guess? ))
idk you keep misconstruing my actions & acting negatively abt our ooc breakup w/o any disclaimer
"it just left suddenly and went completely no contact” implying that i just up & left w/o any sort of build up & that i would be unwilling to resolve the IC issue??
“the mun is behaving inappropriately towards me and using rp to do so” ??? you never even made any attempts at trying to talk to me abt this so how is that even remotely fair
where is my disclaimer. where is asterisk that says “this is a partisan opinion on a complicated event.” there’s no way for anyone else to tell the difference?
-nate
((That still assumes or implies plot details that effect my character or represent my character’s choices. I’m happy to agree that Thresh got custody of Damara, but Grief would not keep her from him if he wanted that custody. Grief would let Thresh have Damara the second they knew he wanted her; they still love him and believe in his ability to take care of her, and they don’t want him to be alone.
If you want to say he used that method anyway, that’s not up to me.
I know I haven’t been playing grief, and I’m sorry that caused problems. It’s just because it’s been kind of emotional for me. I still think about them a lot, even about ways to bring them back. I just didn’t know how to do it without possibly stepping on your toes, which I didn’t want to do, and I assumed you didn’t want to talk with me about it. So I just didn’t.
I held this conversation in public for my own comfort. I’m not angry at any of you. I understand why you’re upset. It just made me sad and uncomfortable to read a plot about Grief being a bad parent or moirail without having anyone ask me about what happened.
If it’s a moot point, we don’t have anything else to talk about.))
We can say that more peaceful and copacetic methods were had. I am fine with retconning, because it’s not as if the means were necessarily as important as the ends. It really doesn’t matter either way to me; the reason it was done this way was precisely because we didn’t want to godmod your character.
Saying “grief and thresh had a talk and everything was ended amicably” would still be godmoding your character. Godmoding them in a positive way, but godmoding all the same. And seeing as you didn’t seem to want to talk to us, and you had all but abandoned your blog, we tried to go about it in a way that would involve your character in the most minimal of manners.
You don’t have to apologize for not playing your character, and the only issues that it has caused is this one we are having right now. Understand that the reason we went about things the way we did was because we *have* been playing our character, and since you seemed completely MIA, we didn’t know how to go about initiating a conversation. Especially when it would have been me personally doing so, and you are clearly uncomfortable with speaking to me.
As much as I appreciate you being upset, it is also a bit inappropriate if your intentions are to make attempts at controlling how the characters reacted to the breakup or events after them. They are going to react how they like, and sometimes the reaction is going to be negative, sometimes it’s going to be fear that yours is being a bad parent, or anger.
I understand that you’re upset, and I understand why you would have a kneejerk reaction to anything that even remotely implies that your character would be a bad parent, considering how closely you identify with your character and how closely that issue hits home with you. However, if that’s the issue, then that goes beyond what I can personally do to assuage.
We are free and able to discuss the events themselves and adjust appropriately, but the reaction may still be negative.
If we can get this handled properly, it may not be an issue of having to throw away the blog and character completely. So of course, I need to ask if there is anything else that you need to hash out that would prevent you from bringing your character back, or anything that should be handled now.
I know that this has affected your muse, and that this character is very important to you. So I want to handle all the issues that we need to handle now, so there aren’t any issues like this in the future. Even if it means completely detailing everything that happened.
On a personal note, whenever I see you posting things to the effect of “I had a bad breakup with Nate and it’s causing him to behave negatively towards me as a person,” especially publicly, I get exhausted. I know that you’re smart enough to know precisely how that is being construed among others, whether you’re doing it intentionally or not. If we are going to promote any kind of amicability between yourself and us, this is going to make it difficult.
(( I feel like grief’s actions are being implied in ways I’m not comfortable with. Grief would not withhold Damara from Thresh at the end of the relationship.
I understand if you want to keep playing these characters, but I wish I had been asked by someone, even a third party.
I have not made this post to upset you. I understand wanting to keep playing these characters.
I don’t want to discuss this privately. I’m not comfortable having private conversations with you.))
The story that we have been generally sticking with was “There was a breakup, Thresh went back to his old timeline, there have been a lack of communication between Grief and Thresh that disallowed for contact regarding the grub.” Thresh sent someone over to grab the grub. That’s it. Nothing more distinct or detailed than that.
Any other details have been inferred by characters themselves. Characters can be imperfect; details can be misconstrued when they are left vague.
You could have sent the spouse a message very easily. I don’t know what your intentions are with dragging this public when they could have been contacted through IM. It’s a little inappropriate to have a third party coming up to them about this when it could have been very easily handled one-on-one with them.
Even now, they would be talking to you personally, but. I asked them not to, considering the things that they had to say were muddied with other negative emotions, understandably. They have other unrelated people coming to them accusing them of godmodding without knowing what happened exactly.
I feel like this is a moot point at this point, because I don’t think that anyone is going to want to play this character after this.
As for talking to me privately or talking to me publicly, I’m fine with either. It would be a lot less messy with private interactions, though I understand and respect your hesitation to do so.
((someone please tell mirthfulbard not to godmod things about my muse while I’m not playing them. I’m not okay with that. :( ))
We literally only said Thresh took back Damara, because you have been inactive on this blog for months. It was a plot point that needed to be reconciled. Although I don’t think it’s a wonderful idea for you and I to talk personally, due to the way this is being handled, it would most likely be preferable to you talking with the spouse. They aren’t exactly in any mood to be speaking considering they have individuals coming to them pointing fingers at them.
Thresh is reconciling the break-up negatively and as is his matesprit; neither of us has godmoded your character into anything. Our characters are allowed to have reactions to the breakup and they’re allowed to be negative; we haven’t pushed any characterization onto yours.
The reason I didn’t contact you personally was because I understand that you don’t want to talk to me, ahaha. And Nate certainly does not want to talk to you, considering the last conversation that we had where you had a fine time throwing him underneath the bus for an hour.
You haven’t roleplayed in months. You haven’t even been on the blog except to post OOC things. With a huge in character issue such as this, it had to be handled and not danced around any longer. I want to be perfectly clear: none of us have god modded your character, nor have we even said anything about the breakup. We have kept it intentionally vague due to the nature of it, and any reactions are coming purely due to the character’s emotions.
If you needed to talk, you should have sent a message to them rather than dragging it public. We have spoken about this before. They don’t have you blocked. It would have been rather simple for you to handle this privately and to their face rather than posting something and having a third party involved. However, you now get to talk to me about it.
Send me an IM on this blog about it. We’ll get it figured out.
-Anastasia
HI, I’M KARKAT. I’VE MET SOME GAMZEES BEFORE.
Me tOo, EvEr sInCe i wAs aLl tO JoIn tHiS MiRaCuLoUs sItE AnD WhAt nOt.
AlSo mEt oNe oR TwO KaRkAtS. aIn’t mEt oNe wHaT LiKeS Me yEt nOnE ThOuGh, HaHaHa.
BuT NiCe tO MeEt yOu, DoGg. :o)
WELL, THEN I WILL HAVE TO BE THE FIRST. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'VE GIVEN ME ANY REASON TO HATE YOU YET.
BECAUSE YOU CAN’T KIDNAP YOUR OWN WIGGLER, YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU’RE GETTING THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN. HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING TOO MANY HUMAN MOVIES OR SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME AROUND HUMANS BECAUSE WE DON’T EVEN HAVE THOSE KINDS OF RULES ON MY ALTERNIA ANYWAY SO THIS IS A COMPLETELY STUPID ARGUMENT.
AND THE STORY YOU WERE GIVEN IS TRUE. I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SO ADAMANT ON PUTTING THIS LABEL ON IT INSTEAD OF REALIZING THAT MAYBE YOU FUCKED UP AND JUST APOLOGIZING. THERE’S NO BENEFIT FOR ARGUING THAT IT WAS A KIDNAPPING EXCEPT TO SAVE FACE. AND THE DOWNFALL IS THAT YOU’RE SHITTING ALL OVER SOMEONE ELSE’S FEELINGS IN A MATTER THAT IT LITERALLY DOESN’T HURT TO CONCEDE ON. GOOD JOB, ASSHOLE.
ON MY ALTERNIA, SOMEONE TAKING CARE OF ANOTHER TROLL LIKE THIS WOULD CLASSIFY THAT TROLL AS A SLAVE, SO YES, I’M USING WHAT I KNOW OF HUMAN CUSTOMS AND SHIT TO APPLY TO THIS SITUATION, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN REFERRING TO DAMARA AS A FUCKING OBJECT TO BE OWNED.
AND YES, I DO HANG OUT WITH A LOT OF HUMANS, THEY HAVE GENERALLY BEEN A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT MORE PLEASANT TO TALK TO THEN MOST TROLLS. AND YEAH, IN TERMS OF HUMAN LAW, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN KIDNAP YOUR OWN KID.
JUST BECAUSE YOU DID SOMETHING FOR A GOOD REASON DOESN’T AUTOMATICALLY MAKE IT SOMETHING ELSE.
WHO IS EVEN BRINGING HUMANS INTO THIS. WHY ARE YOU BRINGING HUMAN CUSTOMS INTO A DISPUTE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM? WHY DO YOU THINK I GIVE TWO FLYING FUCKS ABOUT HUMAN LAW AT ALL? AND SINCE LEGALLY DAMARA DIDN'T BELONG TO MY EX, I AM NOT STEALING THEIR PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE YET TO GIVE ME AN ACTUAL COMPELLING ARGUMENT AS TO WHY YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY EVEN CORRECT. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE BEING A STUBBORN ASSHOLE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU'RE RIGHT.
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ThAnKs FoR tHe FoLlOw.
HI, I'M KARKAT. I'VE MET SOME GAMZEES BEFORE.
YOU CAN’T JUST THROW WORDS AROUND CARELESSLY AND THEN THROW YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR LIKE IT WASN’T YOUR FAULT OR YOUR PROBLEM AND THAT IT ISN’T THAT BIG OF A DEAL. IT IS A BIG FUCKING DEAL.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY HERE, SORRY FOR CALLING IT A KIDNAPPING EVEN THOUGH THAT’S KIND OF WHAT IT WAS? THE STORY I WAS GIVEN WAS THAT THE BOTH OF YOU WERE RAISING THE GRUB WHEN YOU GUYS WERE TOGETHER, AND HE KEPT HER WHEN YOU SEPARATED. AND REFUSED TO LET YOU SEE HER. AND THAT YOU DIDN’T FEEL SHE WAS SAFE WHERE SHE WAS, AND THAT’S WHY I DID EVERYTHING THAT I DID.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU! I DIDN’T THINK SHE WAS SAFE THERE AND I DON’T THINK THE GUY SHE WAS WITH COULD CARE FOR HER BASED ON WHAT I’D SEEN. BUT EVEN IF HE WAS A SHITTY GUARDIAN, HE STILL *WAS* A GUARDIAN AND WHAT WE DID WAS BASICALLY KIDNAPPING. EVEN IF IT WAS FOR A GOOD CAUSE. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THE WIGGLER WAS BETTER OFF WITH YOU THAN OTHERWISE. BUT THAT DOESN’T REALLY CHANGE WHAT IT WAS.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T KIDNAP YOUR OWN WIGGLER, YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN. HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING TOO MANY HUMAN MOVIES OR SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME AROUND HUMANS BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THOSE KINDS OF RULES ON MY ALTERNIA ANYWAY SO THIS IS A COMPLETELY STUPID ARGUMENT.
AND THE STORY YOU WERE GIVEN IS TRUE. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SO ADAMANT ON PUTTING THIS LABEL ON IT INSTEAD OF REALIZING THAT MAYBE YOU FUCKED UP AND JUST APOLOGIZING. THERE'S NO BENEFIT FOR ARGUING THAT IT WAS A KIDNAPPING EXCEPT TO SAVE FACE. AND THE DOWNFALL IS THAT YOU'RE SHITTING ALL OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S FEELINGS IN A MATTER THAT IT LITERALLY DOESN'T HURT TO CONCEDE ON. GOOD JOB, ASSHOLE.
DON’T YOU IMPLY THAT I KIDNAPPED MY OWN WIGGLER, OR SENT SOMEONE TO KIDNAP MY OWN FUCKING WIGGLER, AND THEN TELL ME TO CALM MY SHIT WHEN I CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR BULLSHIT.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST FINE. I’M TOO TIRED TO ACTUALLY ARGUE ABOUT THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW AND I DON’T EVEN REALLY CARE HALFWAY ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE’RE GOING TO CALL IT.
YOU CAN'T JUST THROW WORDS AROUND CARELESSLY AND THEN THROW YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR LIKE IT WASN'T YOUR FAULT OR YOUR PROBLEM AND THAT IT ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL. IT IS A BIG FUCKING DEAL.
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EXCUSE ME? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FIGURE I KIDNAPPED MY OWN WIGGLER? PLEASE TELL ME. I MEAN, IF YOU’D LIKE TO TELL ME IN PERSON SO WE CAN SETTLE THIS FACE TO FACE, I’D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SO. BECAUSE YOU’RE BARKING UP THE WRONG FUCKING TREE HERE, OLD BUDDY, OLD PAL.
I SAID *I* KIDNAPPED IT SINCE I KIND OF FACILITATED THE WHOLE THING, WHICH I MOSTLY DID. AND I’M NOT SAYING IT WAS A BAD THING. I’M MORE THAN SURE THAT THE WIGGLER IS BETTER OFF WITH YOU THAN WITH WHO SHE WAS WITH BEFORE. SO CALM YOUR SHIT.
DON'T YOU IMPLY THAT I KIDNAPPED MY OWN WIGGLER, OR SENT SOMEONE TO KIDNAP MY OWN FUCKING WIGGLER, AND THEN TELL ME TO CALM MY SHIT WHEN I CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR BULLSHIT.
I COME BACK TO THIS SHIT. I’M GOING TO LOSE MY DAMN MIND.
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EXCUSE ME? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FIGURE I KIDNAPPED MY OWN WIGGLER? PLEASE TELL ME. I MEAN, IF YOU’D LIKE TO TELL ME IN PERSON SO WE CAN SETTLE THIS FACE TO FACE, I’D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SO. BECAUSE YOU’RE BARKING UP THE WRONG FUCKING TREE HERE, OLD BUDDY, OLD PAL.
I CAN’T BELIEVE I HAVE HER BACK.
I don’t fin|{ sso.
If anyfin I’d ssay they’re pleassant.
..Issh.
But, I’m ocray I guess.
Apart from the eeling of my consstant impending doom,
I’m juuusst peachy.
MY GOD. POINT ME TOWARDS THE DECENT KARKATS, I HAVE TO SEE THIS WITH MY OWN TWO EYES.
IMPENDING DOOM?