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Hello, my husbands Saturn return is coming up soon, his Saturn is in Aquarius in the 5th house. Would you please explain what that might entail and what the lesson would be and how to navigate it? Thank you😚
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Not giving in to problems revolving around the ego, sharing their natural skills and abilities to regain vitality and motivation; it could also nurture the soul when it comes to spiritual growth and might release some past karma, seeing people and the self as valuable, allowing the self to share their passions and to be excited, allowing the self healthy egoism, allowing others to help and benefit you, adding positivity to friends and society as well as opening up to new social opportunities
Helloo, how are you? so i have question about saturn placement. I know that saturn gives lesson for person, thats why i wanna ask what saturn lesson for people with saturn in 5th house and venus square saturn? Thank you
Hello! Thank you for asking, how are you?
Saturn in the 5th: Inability in self expression and enjoying the moment. Feels difficult to truly be authentic, feels like they have to take on lot of responsibility and thus need to stay serious and focused most of the time. Could possibly be told not to trust their intuition and creative side and thus heavily rely on their logical side, suppressing the desires and needs of the heart. The inner child is neglected and was forced to grow up quickly, they might think they have no talents or have difficulties in expressing and receiving love to the hearts actual fullest content. They could have been told they were to needy and that satisfying the self always comes second. Dating is taken seriously, very picky with potential partners, because they are afraid of making a mistake. The natives need to learn how to get in touch with their inner child again and how to nourish it. the neglect shows in the harshness in which they set up lifes rules. Growing up doesn’t equal letting go of passion and fun.
Saturn square Venus: This aspects usually triggers a feeling of inadequacy, these people usually feel not enoigh and are very hard on themeself. They most likely were given the feeling of being not enough in their early years and always had to do more than the others in order to achieve the same amount of love as others. Your disorted and negative view on yourself reflects in your actions. You could lower your standards, because you are not worth it (yet) in your opinion. Being gentle to yourself and understanding just as much as you are to others is key here, people here might be late bloomers because they are afraid to open up or dare to make a move for themself. Love (of any kind) is perceived as hard, relationships are work, could be perceived as one sided. Again, it’s lack of self love that could reflect in their actions and decisions. It’s important not to constantly adapt ones own love language to the ones of others, but to allow oneself to have dreams, ideals and to have love reciprocated without having to proof the self. To realize that one is not a cup that needs to be filled, but that one is already full.
i want to have 5th house synastry so bad, but my 5th house is in gemini. my venus 8th house and my virgo juno wouldn't like their energy🥲🗿
I just noticed only me and my dad who have yod in our family. We also the only introverts in da house...
learning about t-square, yod, and mystic rectangle from my chart makes me feel powerful somehow lol
I found interesting astrology tweet about house and children! Basically the tweet talks about 5th house represent 1st child, 7th house for 2nd child, 9th house for 3rd child, and 12th house for 4th child. So this is what i found in my dad’s chart: -5th house gemini: My older sis has gemini rising -7th house leo (with venus): I have leo stellium in 7th house -9th house libra (with mercury): my brother is venus dominant with virgo sun -12th house capricorn: my lil sis has capricorn stellium tbh, i have same rising (and house) as my dad’s. so i can imagine my future kids would have similarities with me and my siblings lol
The madonna whore complex and moon hard aspect to venus in man's chart is real yo
I remember seeing one post about it in here, but never gave too much thought about it until now.
Long story short, my aunt has husband who like to cheat, manipulative af, has done sexual harassment, and he also married another woman behind my aunt's back. So i decided to check his chart and damn his moon and venus are hella afflicted.
Hard aspects that i notice were moon square venus, venus square pluto, venus opposite jupiter, moon opposite pluto, moon square jupiter. He also has mars square uranus and lack of saturn positive influence in his chart💀
My mom's and my dad's chart are actually cute wtf
My dad has his juno in 8th house with venus conjunct pluto. And my mom has scorpio stellium with her pluto conjunct my dad's juno. My mom's NN also conjunct my dad's inner planets.
They're actually meant to be together tf, me when😵
the opportunity of the saturn return
okay so here’s the thing. I’ve noticed many people fear deeply their saturn return as it’s often represented as a life-changing event that will completely wreck your set structure. some astrologers are more than happy to fuel this notion because it means people are gonna come to them and pay them for advice on how to handle this horrible disaster. stress and fear makes us seek help more than anything else, i admit.
I’m kind of sad it’s less of a common knowledge that the saturn return is actually a huge opportunity and it usually isn’t something sudden and disruptive, it’s just a build up of the way you’ve lived so far. saturn is not an unpredictable force that throws you in the dark - for such events you might wanna look at uranus or pluto transits (uranus can indicate a totally unpredictable event and pluto may show an erruption of something that you couldn’t realize was happening beneath the surface). it’s actually quite easy to predict if not the details, then at least the main theme of your saturn return.
here are some basic guidelines in case your saturn return is happening/approaching or if you’re just curious in general:
during your return, you’re going to face two things for sure - a big opportunity for change and a choice that seems very final and demanding commitment. the opportunity for change won’t appear magically out of the blue, it’s going to be the outcome of your lifestyle and choices so far.
this opportunity/choice is going to be connected to the house in which the saturn return is happening.
the sign of your saturn is showing you the energy you need to develop, lean on and express positively in order to make that opportunity for change work in your best favor and not drag you down in the gutter. the saturn return works also as a test for how much you’ve developed the archetype of its sign during the years cuz the sign of our saturn placement is one we frequently have difficulties accepting and working with.
the natal aspects to saturn will show you different energies that may help you in owning the change that’s about to come - the harmonious ones (trine, sextile, sometimes conjunction, semisextile if it’s particularly tight) give you ways of understanding and accepting your situation, and the challenging ones (square, opposition, sometimes conjunction, quincunx if it’s particularly tight) give you energy and motivation to work things through. in general, use your aspects as swim rings and don’t forget if you don’t utilize them, they can be the chains on your feet dragging you to the bottom of the ocean.
the transiting aspects to your saturn will show you details about the events around your saturn return and how they will affect you. which doesn’t mean your reactions are predetermined, no - it means there will be a certain energy pinned to your return and it’s up to you what you can do with it and how you’re going to see it and wield it.
check aspects to saturn in synastry from people in your life, esp ones who have appeared in it around the time of your saturn return. frequently people serve as triggers for change/opportunity.
if you’ve analyzed your natal chart before, you probably know some charts indicate a higher tolerance to change, a bigger susceptibility to grasping opportunities without giving it much thought, an inclination to indecisivenes, etc. even tho saturn rules an earth sign, i’ve still noticed people with earth dominance are likely to experience their saturn return with more difficulty due to their ingrained fear of change, esp unplanned ones. analyzing your chart in order to know yourself and how it’s best for you to approach and make use of change/opportunities is certainly very helpful with major transits like the saturn return.
you’re certainly going to be shaken up during this transit and it’s cathartic to allow yourself to experience those emotions but also it’s best to not give in to the feeling that you’re Doomed tm or to forget this whole thing isn’t about losing control, it’s about regaining it fully.
now, since i loooove giving examples and talking about personal observations, i’m just gonna talk a bit about saturn returns i’ve analyzed and how the guidelines stated above apply to them.
house placement of saturn:
a woman i know went through her saturn return recently. it happened in her 6th house and it touched on themes connected to building personal everyday habits, making a structure out of them, and being able to independently stick to it. also to work and finding balance between service to the self and service to the community. another theme was taking care of her health and realizing the connection between having a healthy body/mind and being able to help others.
basically, she had to leave her parents’ home (she was very attached to her parents and thought she couldn’t make it on her own but becoming independent has been a thing popping up in her agenda more and more as time passed by) and manage to deal with her own household and to take care of all the work one has to do to maintain a living. all by herself for the first time. she was working herself out just to prove she can be of help to people and is worth something, but when her saturn return happened it found her in an extreme burnout for not taking time for herself and mental and physical health. however, she managed to clarify what kind of job (remote one + part time with people) can allow her to both take care of herself and to be of use to society. this is her lesson: you can’t help others if you don’t help yourself first.
another woman i know has saturn in the 5th house and went through her saturn return recently. it was connected to themes regarding sex, sexual oppression, social norms connected to sex, and playing. as in “playing around” and “not taking things seriously”, also “mind games”. it was also related to relationships and commitment and to the theme of like…children, the concept of having them, being one, acting like one, needing to be one.
she had a complicated relationship with sex and said she didn’t wanna have it but also wanted to play it like a game. she used to describe herself as a “PUA for men”. this is a difficult path for any woman to take and she was challenged by a lot of social norms and sexism and met a lot of judgement about being sexually open, free and direct. during her saturn return, a guy appeared in her life and tried to seduce her and control her through sex. he was trying to brainwash her she “deserves” this because she met with him for sex and was openly sexual in general. at the same time she met another guy she started dating, kind of trying to put distance between herself and the first guy. on one side she was pushed to play mind games connected to sex with a very high stake, on the other - to be in a relationship with someone with a very sexist & conservative approach to the “role” of women in relationships, how they should act and be proper, etc. both of these were sex related and connected to taking sex/relationships as a game, just from different points of view. and she realized none of this PoVs is her own. she had to review her approach towards committment and realize what it means to her, also to explore her own sexuality and separate it from what has been pushed on her by society and her partners. the theme about her childhood shaping her, her needs to feel like a child again, also issues connected to her having children ever popped out during that transit. her lesson to learn: playing a game you don’t really wanna play is the same as playing yourself.
a guy i know is having his saturn return in the 4th house. it’s connected to his mother, their relationship, his connection to his family in general and how this shaped his subconscious. also to his homes - the home where he’s been living for years with his mom and all the places where he lived before that and what happened there in the past.
he feels committed to being by his mother’s side as if he’s serving some sort of duty, repaying her with service for raising him and taking care of him. trying to become autonomous and separate from the mother, as well as moving out and finding a place of his own, has proven to be extremely difficult. there are all sorts of family ties that keep him bound to his mother and he is basing most of his life around exploring them with her. during his saturn return, the need for him to find a home of his own that he can use to his pleasing and to maintain stronger relationships outside of his family life (which isn’t so easy when you devote most of your time to an overly demanding mother) has pushed him to start separating from his mom and to seek out ways to relieve himself from the guilt of “leaving” her. his lesson to learn: to feel at home, you need to build your home.
sign of saturn:
the first woman has saturn in capricorn. during her saturn return, her ability to create and maintain a sustainable structure/system was tested. what was of help for her during this transit was staying focused, working hard and with consistence, and being disciplined. she needed to push strongly in order to achieve her goals and remain set on them, limiting her time for play and pleasure.
the second woman has saturn in capricorn as well. during her saturn transit, her ability to focus on things that don’t bring immediate satisfaction and short term satisfcation were tested. she needed to remain stable and centered and to find something besides playing games that made her feel alive. also to figure out what job field she is interested in. this was a huge struggle for her - running away from job offers that are being pushed on her that she didn’t want to work and finding a calling of her own.
the guy has saturn in aquarius. during his saturn transit, his ability to maintain and protect his own autonomy and independence will be tested. he needs to establish and defend his right to make his own choices and to take less of a personal approach to the people around him, who are becoming an obstacle towards his independence.
natal aspects to saturn:
the first woman has natal venus trine saturn. she often asked the close people around her about ways to deal with her situation and this helped her create her own system that will work the best for her, tho it also kinda enabled her at times to get stuck in adopting other people’s ways of dealing which didn’t work for her. also a new romantic interest fueled her desire to become more self-suficient and be her own person.
the second woman has natal venus square saturn. her understanding of what it means to be a woman was challenged by her situation and she found motivation to deal with it in determining and defending her personal values. also this return really put into light all the negative models she was experiencing and also expressing in her romantic relationships.
the guy has natal venus square saturn too. he had a romantic relationship that met a lot of obstacles due to him not being independent and this made him realize he won’t be able to have a relationship the way he wants it if he doesn’t do something to change his situation. also that most of his issues with self-love are connected to him not being self-sufficient so he needs to do something about it.
aspects to saturn in synastry:
(i’m not giving any examples about interpreting transiting aspects to saturn cuz those from transiting personal planets pass by quite fast and such dynamic circumstances are difficult to explore shortly)
the first woman fell in love with someone whose moon is conjunct her saturn. this person made her feel emotionally safe enough to start building her own structure and work hard to sustain it, also to break ties with her mother and develop her Inner Mother.
the guy who tried to control through sex the second woman has his sun conjunct her saturn and the guy she dated has sun square her saturn. both of their egos were wounded by her and they were trying to take away her independence which was a main catalyst of the changes happening during her return.
the person with whom the guy had a romantic relationship which triggered his realizations has uranus conjunct his saturn - a catalyst of sudden change and “wow” moments.
this got pretty long so i’m gonna finish up the guidelines with a quote from grant lewi’s “astrology for the millions”,
“You stand freed, when this transit is past, of many erstwhile inner restrictions. You will have swept your nature clean of dead wood and cleared the decks for action that now proceeds less impeded by internal complexes and personal difficulties. You will, in short, have matured— ” put away childish things” —and you will be ready to take your place in the world as an adult.
Saturn’s transit of his own place is the most important point at which free will operates in the life, untrammeled and as free of circumstances as it ever will be…. You will not stand so free again. The choices you make are yours: make them wisely, for here it is that your free will in a very real sense forges your fate for a long time to come, if not indeed for the rest of your life.”
hope this was helpful for someone!
Okay, but why my new friends in college have a lot of taurus placements 😃
Although, surprisingly, we got along well despite having their placement square my leo placement
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