I know I complain abt newer MJ fans, but some OGs are just as insufferable as newbies 💀
At the end of the day, I love him bc of the joy & strength his music personally brings to me. Mike's music is my brain medicine. It's been the soundtrack to my life since I was a kid. Period. I use this platform to vent abt the current shenanigans, but at the end of the day, it's not *really* stressing me out to be a fan.
I ventured onto one of the older forums (so, my fault...I did this to myself 🤣), & could not believe that some of the same folks from literally *thirty* years ago are still melting down abt the same shit. If after decades of being in the madness, you're still making yourself physically sick & spending all your time in the online fan space convincing others why the sky is falling, maybe take some time away. Get some help in *your* real life.
I left online MJ spaces for years after his death bc it was simply too much negative noise. MJ is gone. I need everyone to lock in & exist in reality. If something isn't bringing you joy, move on. Some ppl act like a gun is being held to their head while someone plays Thriller on repeat. 😵💫
No one is forcing anyone to be a fan. Or even openly defend him to *be* a fan; because it is alot. Two things can be true: You can be a fan & not spend every waking minute fighting for *his* life. You don't have to justify why you love him.
This might be an overall larger symptom about how ppl behave in fandom anymore or even how ppl are coping with life in 2026, but that's a whole other topic.
Good lord. I'm tired. Everyone look at a tree. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Exposing Netflix’s Michael Jackson: The Verdict Pt 3
I have already discussed major lies in part one and part two, focusing on the first two installments of Netflix’s 3 part docu series. Here, I will go over the lies told in the last part, so buckle up buttercups!
Here is a link to the first part
Here is a link to the second part
Alright, let’s do this.
The third part starts off strong with something easily debunkable; thanks Ron Zonen for continuing to be a stupid cunt! You’re making my job more of a breeze!!
They begin by Zonen talking about how Michael is smiling in this deposition while being asked by a lawyer about Jordan Chandler and the CSA allegations from the Chandler family in 1993. Zonen, as per usual, lies his ass off. Notice how they don’t provide any context for this deposition?
That is because this deposition was not ABOUT the CSA allegation. It was for a civil lawsuit filed by the Neverland 5 (a group of 5 former employees who all sued Jackson for wrongful dismissal after being fired). Jackson countersued for theft, and he won, proving they were stealing his personal items and auctioning them off, etc. Many of these employees sold stories to tabloids and testified for the prosecution, which I will discuss in depth in this post. This deposition was taken at The Four Seasons Hotel in New York on March 1st, 1996. Jackson’s lawyers stop the questioning about Chandler because it has nothing to do with the fucking case. Jackson is clearly outraged and irritated, and in disbelief at the man’s fucking audacity, as the lawyer questioning him asks him if he has been accused of sexually abusing Macaulay Culkin or Brett Barnes; both vehemently deny abuse to this day and testified on his behalf! You can watch the full deposition here:
They then begin to introduce the Neverland 5, which I have talked about extensively in the past. Every single one of these witnesses for the prosecution splattered under cross examination, some of them signed legal declarations and testified before the 2 grand juries stating nothing ever happened and they never saw anything, 3 who testified repeatedly changed their stories and were caught in a multitude of lies on the witness stand—not to mention, they all sold stories to tabloids.
And don’t worry, I’ll cook them each individually. But for now, back to Zonen.
Zonen makes a very bold claim that supposedly girls never stayed in Michael’s bedroom, peddling this long debunked media lie that he was obsessed with little boys, and he even claims he never had a wife stay over.
Firstly, let’s address the lie about only boys being in Jackson’s room. This was debunked when numerous defense witnesses who were female testified to having slept in Jackson’s room during the trial. Among them, notable ones are: Chantal Robson (Wade Robson’s sister), Joy Robson (Wade Robson’s mother), Simone Jackson, Brandi Jackson, Karlee Barnes (Brett Barnes’ sister), Marie Elizabeth (Brett Barnes’ mother). Hell, even June Chandler who testified for the prosecution stated she was allowed to go anywhere on the property at any time. Another notable girl that slept in Michael’s room is Allison V. Smith, who said this, pictured below along with an excerpt from Dr. William B. Van Valin, who spent nights with Michael as a friend. He was an adult.
I mean seriously, how ridiculous!
Now that that nonsense is debunked, let’s address the second part of Zonen’s claim, which is that Michael Jackson never had his wife at the ranch. While true that they didn’t often spend time at the ranch (because Michael was living at her place most of the time), they did spend nights there as Lisa Marie Presley’s daughter has stated, including never before seen photos taken there. And not only that, but Michael on audio tape and Lisa Marie in her memoir corroborate the fact they weren’t often at the ranch because he stayed with her.
Michael, Lisa and her daughter Riley were all taking pictures the same night at the ranch. Riley posted these photos a couple of years ago.
Is Zonen trying to allege that Lisa Marie and Michael were not a “real” couple, or not in love? If so, Lisa Marie states otherwise and so does her daughter, as well as all of Michael’s family. Lisa Marie wrote of him in her memoir in quite a romantic way, stating she was “never happier” in her entire life than when she was with him. Other people corroborate the legitimacy of their relationship, including house staff member Judy Brisse, who has spoken out against James Safechuck, a posthumous accuser:
Judy Brisse worked for Michael for years. In this video, she talks about making cots for Lisa’s two children while they were staying at the ranch, to which Michael helped her. She states Lisa and Michael were dating at the time.
Ron Zonen then goes on to talk about other boys allegedly abused by Jackson including Wade Robson, Brett Barnes, and Macaulay Culkin. All three of these men who were all adults at the time testified for Jackson. All denied abuse. Macaulay Culkin in particular was absolutely pissed throughout his testimony, stating the prosecution never even talked to him to ask if it was true.
And Ron Zonen did perhaps the most shameful thing I’ve ever seen a prosecutor do during his questioning of Wade and Macaulay. A fan who was in the court room at the time and watched the testimony live stated the entire court was aghast at his conduct, and stated “At one point the prosecutor (Zonen) was so frustrated at how well he (Wade) was doing for the defense, he leaned on the podium out of frustration and goes ‘You know, maybe he did things to you and you were asleep’. Everybody in the court room just gasped, thinking how can they be so desperate?”
Brett Barnes direct and cross May 5th, 2005 ^
Wade Robson cross examination May 5th, 2005 ^
Macaulay Culkin direct and cross May 11th, 2005 ^ (The first two transcripts are direct from Tom Mesereau. The far right transcript is cross from Zonen).
Let’s move forward to another absurd segment.
This will all pertain to the 1108 witnesses.
Diane Dimond talks about Jason Francia whilst pretending to cry, whom I previously mentioned in the second part of this series of posts. I linked a past post which had documents attached within it of his police interview in 1993. I cannot post them here, as tumblr has a picture limit, but you will see these documents in that linked post. Jason Francia was the only child that alleged anything about Michael despite the prosecution interviewing anywhere from 40 to 100 children. He originally denied the allegation that Michael did anything wrong to him, and after being pressured for hours, he caved. I will re-link the post for your easy access where you can look at pieces of the transcript yourself.
💬 0 🔁 0 ❤️ 3 · dukeofdelirium · I have a question if you don’t mind, what was the deal about MJ supposedly having a nude image of a kid? I
Now, Blanca Francia, as previously mentioned, extorted Michael Jackson amidst the Chandler allegations, using Larry Feldman to do it, the same civil attorney that worked for the Chandler’s and that then represented the Arvizo’s. She was also friends with Victor Gutierrez, and there is even a photo of her with him in the book he was sued over. Victor befriended many of Michael’s employees and was involved in the Neverland 5’s lawsuit.
Blanca Francia was one of Michael’s former maids that he fired in 1991. In 1993, she then sold a story to Hard Copy (Diane Dimond’s tv show) where she claimed she saw Wade Robson in the shower with MJ. She sold this story for $20,000. However, in 1994, 2005, AND 2016 she states under oath 3 separate times across decades that it never fucking happened and she never saw that. Diane Dimond embellishes anything and everything to do with Blanca Francia, claiming she saw numerous boys in the shower even though Blanca never said that even in her tabloid lies. In 1994 alone, Blanca stated under oath she saw ONLY Jackson in the shower 6+ times.
And, Blanca Francia literally sold pictures of her own son to tabloids for profit. She was deadass pimping her kid for cash despite his protests. But apparently MJ is the bad guy here? Yeah, right.
Adrian McManus, another former fired maid, unsurprisingly made her tabloid rounds as well. Before she started cashing in on her tabloid CSA lies, she was selling tell-all kinky sex stories about Michael and Lisa Marie. Which is it? Is the man a homosexual child molester or is he straight? Pick a damn struggle, bitch.
Not only was McManus found to have committed perjury and acted with malice in court, but she was one of the employees countersued by Jackson for theft. She still owes over a million dollars to the estate, which she never paid Jackson back for while he was alive. She gloats now about not having to, because he’s dead. She fabricates the most insane stories, claiming there were secret CP VHS tapes which raids never produced, claiming there were vast amounts of Vaseline everywhere to use to rape boys (even though literally none of his accusers have ever said anything about Vaseline), she claims she saw boy’s underwear all over the place with no proof, and she signed a legal declaration and testified in 1993-1994 that she never saw anything happen.
And by the way, the items she stole? Memorabilia, clothing, hats, games etc meant for sick children. She claimed in the trial that she saw Michael abuse Jordan Chandler and Macaulay Culkin. Obviously, her credibility was destroyed with Mac’s testimony.
Ralph Chacon was a security guard who was also fired by Jackson for theft. He claimed he walked around the ranch and saw Michael giving Jordan oral. He conceded to perjury in 1996 by stating he saw and heard things he later said he did not. He was sanctioned by the judge, and ordered to pay Michael Jackson for theft and malice, just as McManus was. Perjury was proven in the Neverland 5’s depositions, in which they all attempted to conceal connections to Victor Gutierrez. Later on, they admitted that Victor instructed them sell stories and paid them a couple hundred each to do so.
Chacon, like McManus, had stolen memorabilia and letters and stored them in a brief case, intending to appear on Hard Copy to sell stories for a vast amount of money, and to write a book.
Phillippe LeMarque and his wife were cooks briefly at Neverland for approximately 10 months. They claimed they saw Michael abusing Macaulay and that they were so shocked they dropped the food they were serving. Clearly though, they weren’t shocked enough, considering they along with all the other prosecution witnesses never reported anything to the police. His credibility was destroyed as well when Mac showed up. He sold stories to tabloids like all the rest, including Kassim Abdool, for money. After they left employment with Jackson, they went into the Internet pornography business after declaring bankruptcy. Baby them bills were dueeeeee lmao
They then talk about June Chandler who testified for the prosecution. She lied like the rest of them, and her good for nothing rotten son refused to testify when hunted down by the prosecution. In Michael’s FBI files, it states that Jordan told them he would “legally fight” any attempt to make him testify against Jackson. June Chandler admitted in her testimony that she had not seen or spoken to her son in 11 years, because Jordan Chandler sought legal emancipation from his parents following the Chandler allegations, which was granted to him as a young teenager. She also stated under oath that she was allowed to go anywhere on Jackson’s property at any time, as previously mentioned.
Unmentioned in this doc is that the defense had prepared for over 500 witnesses. They had uncalled witnesses there to testify against Jordan Chandler had he shown up, because Jordan had privately admitted to them that Jackson never touched him.
An LAPD officer then states in this documentary that the supposed description Jordan Chandler gave to police was a match. This is not true, and we have numerous verifiable documents to prove it.
💬 2 🔁 15 ❤️ 68 · @mewnectarine so lemme get this straight: you have seen this evidence and then proceeded to boldly claim that Jordan Chan
Here is a post I made where a guilter tried to confront me specifically about this subject. In my response, I give tons of documentation to prove them wrong which I cannot upload on this post due to Tumblr’s image limit. Even in 1994, police sources told the media that the description didn’t match reality.
Not only did an officer that interviewed Jordan say he told her Jackson was circumcised which Jackson’s official autopsy disproves (he was uncircumcised), but the Chandler families attorney Feldman moved to have these photographs barred from court. Furthermore, no arrest warrant was made following this strip search.
Again, this was a search warrant. Had the description matched reality, Jackson would not have only been arrested immediately, but 2 separate grand juries would have absolutely indicted him based on this alone.
Aside from this proof, the story of markings allegedly matching has never been substantiated. Everyone on planet earth knew Jackson had vitiligo by this point, so no matter what Jordan said, it can’t be believed beyond a reasonable doubt. If it didn’t match, they could have simply excused it as a result of his having vitiligo. The Chandler family themselves admitted to talking about this tactic with their attorney Feldman in Ray Chandler’s (Evan Chandler’s brother) book All That Glitters. They also admit to the fact that if Michael had just given them millions of dollars, they wouldn’t have accused him of anything in said book. And, they admit to the fact they did not want the potential criminal trial to go before their civil lawsuit. Because Jackson would have won a criminal trial in 1994, and he would have won his original countersuit of extortion he filed against them.
Sorry Netflix, documentation and my working logical brain says you’re full of steaming shit 💩
Another lie Ron Zonen perpetuates is that the settlement is $23 million. I swear, these morons can’t fucking read court documents. The settlement was $15 million and is unredacted in the settlement agreement, written within the confession of judgement. They make up random figures: 20 mill, 23 mill, hell I’ve even seen 30 mill! It was 15 million.
They also keep pushing this idea that the civil settlement stopped the criminal investigation and potential trial. This is not true. A civil settlement cannot stop a criminal investigation and cannot stop the government from charging someone with a crime. The trial never happened because the Chandler family stopped cooperating with the police, though they did for around half a year following the settlement. Even after Jordan refused to testify, Sneddon still brought 2 grand juries. They found no evidence to indict Jackson.
If you want to read more about the Chandler allegations, I highly encourage you to read my in depth thread which thoroughly discredits them.
💬 0 🔁 6 ❤️ 13 · The Chandler Allegations · On August 17th,1993 the Los Angeles police department opened an investigation against Michael J
The Netflix documentary then switches to focus on Janet Arvizo, the mother of the 2005’s trial accuser.
FYI, Janet Arvizo got on the witness stand and said Michael Jackson was trying to abduct her kids via a hot air balloon to deport them to Brazil. You would have to be a complete and utter moron to believe her testimony. She and her children also alleged they were kept away from clocks, despite clocks being every goddamn place at the ranch, including a GIANT clock in front of the Neverland Train Station.
💬 3 🔁 6 ❤️ 19 · Remember when Janet Arvizo said Michael Jackson and his people were going to make her and her kids disappear via hot air b
She claimed that she was held hostage by MJ yet CCTV footage showed her going shopping and to spas all on Michael’s credit cards she ran up. If this is a hostage situation, can I be next? Lol!
I’ve discussed the Arvizo allegations in depth, and will not repeat myself here. What I will say is this: the reason the conspiracy charge was made and the reason this outlandish story of being held hostage was created was because the police, during their raids, broke their search warrant and entered an office they didn’t have a warrant for. There, they found video footage of the Arvizo’s dated AFTER the original felony complaint. This is why the prosecution completely changed their timeline. The video, which is linked in my Arvizo thread, completely disproved their allegation of abuse.
So the prosecution ultimately showed up to trial with a timeline as follows. Michael Jackson has this kid around him for numerous years and only AFTER the entire goddamn world is watching him and he’s being actively investigated by two different police forces, the FBI, CPS etc for molestation does he then decide to actually molest the little fuck.
Again, you would have to be a complete and utter moron to believe this.
Ron Zonen lies once more (how many times now?) claiming Michael only befriended families and kids that didn’t have father figures. That isn’t true: the Barnes family, the Macaulkin family, the Cascio family, and many more.
The Arvizo’s falsely accused their father of CSA against the daughter. The daughter admitted to this on the witness stand in the trial. He was ostracized by them, and at the encouragement of Janet Arvizo, the mother, the children started essentially harassing Michael Jackson, calling him their “daddy”. Even Janet herself called him their “daddy”, all of which was an obvious attempt to emotionally manipulate him into staying in contact. In reality, Jackson did not actually spend much time around the Arvizo family. Gavin himself testified to this stating frustration at Michael having “abandoned” him. Michael Jackson did not trust this family, and wanted to distance himself as much as possible. They repeatedly tried to call him and send him letters, all of which was proven in court. And other celebrities, including George Lopez, testified to the Arvizo family trying to extort them prior to Jackson.
They go on to talk about Debbie Rowe. They claim she was totally anti-Jackson, but she was subpoenaed to testify for the prosecution, aka forced. Their dumbasses thought she was about to pull up to court to slander her man. They were out of their goddamn minds for calling his ex wife to testify for them. Hell, at that point they should have called Lisa Marie Presley too so she could give a global dick report on the man, considering she said he was the best she ever had 🤣😭
Debbie Rowe, you were a queen for swindling these racist white prosecutors and protecting your man. She is an icon and she is the moment 😂 I imagine it all went something like this:
Debbie: Michael is a psycho!
Zonen: woahhhh really??
Debbie: No, you stupid cunt
Debbie Rowe’s testimony was the most devastating to the prosecution. She served as an unexpected character witness for Jackson, she accused everyone of using and abusing him, etc. The prosecution attempted to impeach her, because she destroyed their case for the final time. Speaking of impeachment, the prosecution also impeached numerous other witnesses that were their own.
Impeachment means to discredit and tell the jury and judge not to believe a witness. They impeached their own fucking witnesses. That is how laughable this case was.
Toward the end of this shameful Netflix doc, they bring up those two fuckass photography books. I’ve made numerous posts about them, which I will link, as I will not repeat myself for a 3rd damn time. These books are not pornographic nor are they erotic, and the prosecution seized other photography books of girls that they intentionally ignored to argue that Jackson was “boy obsessed”.
💬 0 🔁 4 ❤️ 13 · Let’s talk about the two photography books that detractors love to scream about · We will be discussing both the book “Boy
💬 0 🔁 2 ❤️ 11 · Post by @dukeofdelirium · 10 images · the biggest thing im nervous about with the doc is the mention of the books because
Diane Dimond of course is on film toting around her own copies of these books, which she has had in her possession for over 15 fucking years. She acts like these books are child porn. So what, Diane? You have had CP in your house for over a decade? Get fucking real.
Diane Dimond ends the doc saying “not guilty doesn’t mean not innocent”
Diane, you fucking witch. Innocence is PRESUMED! This is the foundation upon which America operates its judicial system. He was found not guilty 14 times in a row. The jury immediately following the verdict gave televised interviews stating there was no evidence they saw that could prove the prosecution’s case. Both the Chandler and Arvizo allegations (the only allegations that existed during his life) were tried SIMULTANEOUSLY!
Not Guilty, read it and fucking weep, bitch.
Take my advice Netflix, instead of trying to play your Double Jeopardy, and read these documents.
This has been an exhaustive, yet rewarding time spent debunking and destroying their claims yet again. Remember guys, just because you read it in a magazine or see it on a tv screen, don’t make it factual, as MJ said. Stay clowning their asses. I think I’m done here 😙✌️
My friend is watching this for the FIRST TIME & I am so jealous & she's sending me videos of her zooming around bc how can you watch this & not lose your mind.
What I wouldn't give to watch this for the first time again.
This was a masterpiece. At min 15:35 when the stomping starts, my soul left my body & I swear I've been floating since 1996. 😭😭
My blood is boiling again bc the media has done shit like this for years. I'm glad the artist spoke up.
Every single thing MJ did was put under a microscope. Everything. People create these bizarre headcanons & attach them to every aspect of his life. His home, his art, his clothes, his relationships, his body. Everything he did was put under a microscope. And for what?
I'll never forget what Al Sharpton said to his children at the memorial:
"Wasn't nothing strange about your daddy. It was strange what your daddy had to deal with."
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