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By the way, the websites are wrong, Peathers Veronica is not wearing the Coach Cityscape 1941 jacket as is, the embroidery was either removed or there was a version without it. Couldn't find one so it was probably modded for the show!

#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers 2018 #peathers #heathers tv show #heathers series #veronica sawyer #it's kinda cute without the embroidery

Okay so my search for the Peathers blue bag/rucksack has narrowed down to 2016, likely from Topshop or Forever 21 (brands used in the pilot) but nothing more. It's fairly plain, light to solid blue, greyish insides, no black leather, only the main opening, opens through a hidden silver magnet thingy, the little thread that ties it together is flat at the bottom. It is best seen in episode 8.

Getting a bit desperate but luckily I don't have a FB account to ask the shopyourtv group. So. Not that desperate yet.

#this years-long search was prompted by it looking like a cute bag I wish I had bought in Scotland btw #actually iirc it should have been around the time they were shopping... for the pilot... oh my god did I almost bought that fucking bag????#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers 2018 #peathers #heathers tv show #heathers series #veronica sawyer #if anyone cares to help...........#how niche can I get

veggiesforpresident

so fun fact i was watching heathers and i noticed veronica had this painting pinned to her desk

after some research i discovered its The Shrine by John Waterhouse

Despite many of Waterhouse’s paintings depicting of Greek and other women of antiquity (Ophelia, Cleopatra, Miranda, and so on) this woman isn’t anyone specific. An ordinary woman. I think it’s interesting that Veronica picked this painting of Waterhouse’s, a woman leaning over to literally stop and smell the flowers on a shrine.

I can’t exactly bullshit a meaning out of it but I was interested so I thought others might be too. Veronica Sawyer facts.

veggiesforpresident

Alright so! Since y’all like this post (!!) I decided to think a little harder about why Ronnie may have picked this painting.

Some background! The Shrine was painted in the late 1800s during a period of “genre painting”. Genre painting, much like its later successor impressionism, emphasized the every day. Ordinary, usually working class women, most often in the home doing domestic tasks. More often than not this meant sewing, cleaning, or taking care of children. You know. “Women’s work.” Particularly gendered activities.

But anyway. Let’s get into the specifics of The Shrine. An ordinary woman, taking a moment out of her day to lean over and smell some flowers, flowers belonging on some sort of religious shrine. A non-spectacular moment for a non-spectacular woman. The woman, who I will refer to now as Ordinary Woman or OW, is not decked out in heavy ornamentation or jewelry (as was common in renaissance engagement portraits and the like). I don’t know enough about fashion history to say if her dress is contemporaneous with Waterhouse’s time period, but it looks more medieval. OW also, in contrast to many genre paintings, isn’t doing anything particularly engendered. No sewing, no children nearby. She does have her skirt bunched up in her fist. She is leaning over to quite literally smell the flowers.

Smelling the flowers. This is a moment of agency, a moment where she is actively engaged with her surroundings, independent of any other influences. OW, coming across the shrine in her family’s garden and thinking, oh yeah, those flowers look nice, I’ll give them a sniff. Ordinary, right? But important.

So, a decently well-off woman, with no visible tethers to “normal” womanhood or domesticity, showing agency? Sounds like someone else I know.

Veronica Sawyer.

Now, Veronica probably saw the Waterhouse and liked it for its respectful representation of a woman in a private moment. It’s got a nice color scheme. Anyone could look at it and see herself smelling the flowers. But let’s look a little deeper.

I’m gonna come back to the flowers again. Specifically, the red flowers. A bright, notice-me color. In Heathers, color means everything. Red is Heather Chandler, her scrunchie, her power. Red for anger. Red for blood.

Veronica is in high school, a pretty transitional time. There are expectations for her, as a young woman. She’s got to meet the right man. She’s got to put out. But she isn’t here for that— even has a speech prepared when her date goes sour on her. Ronnie’s pretty independent. She’d probably like seeing a woman in a painting, fully clothed, doing something that in no way relates or references men.

Still, she’s gone through a lot of changes in the past few years. Taken a walk through all parts of the garden, if you will. The biggest being joining the Heathers. It wasn’t really… something she really pined after, not the way Martha Dunnstock or Betty Finn might’ve. It came naturally, just another part of her garden walk. Like OW, she saw red — the flowers, the scrunchie — and said “hey, this looks like a good idea. I can do this.” And sure. These girls (the flowers) represent something big and even unattainable (popularity. freedom. a shrine. a god.) and sure, they are beautiful. Veronica (and OW) can lean down and appreciate them for a while.

But you know… This moment of worship won’t last forever. The flowers will wilt, eventually, and Veronica will move on with her day. Ultimately, The Shrine captures a nice moment. But it is only one moment in Veronica’s garden.

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#heathers #heathers 1988 #veronica sawyer #ref #heathers resources #or something it's time I save this kinda stuff on here

mercblues

a car you used to drive can also be a kind of dead wife

colorfuldream

#fought against using a Jane's A Car screenshot #starkid #tom houston #black friday #black friday musical #nightmare time #jane's a car #jane houston #image #dunno if I used to tag these idk

prom-is-slavery

top ten homophobic heathers characters 🏳️‍🌈❌

all of them

butterzzzthebat

heathers is one of the most homophobic movies ever, yet has one of the gayest fanbases ever.

prom-is-slavery

heathers (1989) is not homophobic. it is mocking homophobia. the creators of the film were very shocked when their film was featured (negatively) as a b roll shot in the celluloid closet (1995).

the film didn't resonate with gay audiences for no reason.

colorfuldream

Cook them.

I'd also add that J.D., one of the antagonists, makes homophobic comments. Veronica, whose arc is to grow out of her apathetic and cruel perfect girl self is the one denouncing a homophobic stereotype (paraphrasing: "come on, mineral water's come a long way"). While she does help with a homophobic revenge plan, we have to note that she is not immune to being raised in a small town in Ohio and is fighting back against her oppressors. Said plan leads to a denunciation of homophobia: the jocks' fathers declare their love for their sons despite being gay while J.D. makes a quip about them only being accepting because the jocks are dead. The movie's main antagonist is the one weaponizing homophobia, with its protagonist, meant to be villainous but less malicious, calls part of it out. They are both in the wrong for this.

The commentary is very obvious: homophobia is wrong but is only ever addressed when teens kill themselves over it. Their plight only matters when they die. Had they lived, they would have been mercilessly bullied and harassed. Nobody would have ever challenged their prejudice. The movie is furthermore huge on the hypocrisy of the world when one commits suicide. The regret about their homophobia only comes because the jocks were popular and made Westerburgh's football team win. No one would have changed their tune, no one would have reflected on it, had it been less popular teenagers. Heathers encompasses all reasons for suicide in its commentary with notably those who die because of homophobia. The world's lack of compassion is a huge thing in its themes!

On top of that, Veronica snickers at J.D.'s joke about the jocks. That laugh gets one of the boys' younger sister to turn around to stare at her, cheeks smeared with tears. Veronica's smile dies instantly, leaving only a mortified expression behind. That is when Veronica learns about kindness. The entire plan must be understood as wrong in this moment. Making fun of the homophobia some do face, using it for her own gain, is wrong. Later in the movie, MacNamara, during an anonymous phone call to a radio show, talks about being hurt and confused that Ram would "sleep with her" despite being gay. The timeline has it happen in the span of two days at most. Said hooking up is not consensual. It is very obviously rape, she is fighting back, the jocks are known rapists in a story partly about men preying on women. Waters commentates on rape culture but also homophobia through MacNamara's confusion: Veronica and J.D.'s homophobic plan hurt more people than they thought it would. It is unambiguously evil and cruel. Though the movie never delves into homophobia directly nor how it impacts queer characters, it does take the time to condone it and showcase the harm it can cause to non-queer folks.

Waters set Heathers in a conservative town. Homphobia is to be expected. But it is never, ever, condoned. Could it have been explored more? Probably. But it wasn't the main topic so it took the furthest seat. To claim that Heathers is "one of the most homophobic movies ever", even as a hyperbole, is quite ignorant of the much, much worse movies that have been made before and after its release. It's frankly tame, only depicting the reality of its time without ever forgiving it. Depicting homophobia does not immediately make a piece of media homophobic. Not digging into its in and outs and deconstructing it thoroughly does not make it homophobic either.

#while the post seems like a joke I wish they had elaborated on it #it would be far easier to discuss it if we knew why they found the movie homophobic!#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers movie #heathers 1988

The wardrobe for Peathers' pilot was likely bought in 2016, maybe 2015 at the earliest. One of Veronica's dresses is from Topshop's 2016 Fall-Winter collection. Haven't found that cute bag yet but some that look really similar are also from Topshop. Wondering if she does wear some brand stuff or if they spent that part of their budget on the Heathers (for example MacNamara wears Puma, Nike, and a specific pair of shoes that is a collaboration with Beyonce iirc). It would be a crime if she did because most of her pilot looks are the ugliest thing I've ever had to see

#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers 2018 #peathers #heathers tv show #heathers series #veronica sawyer

A few thoughts about Peathers to be posted soon...... Not much but I think and think......

#ondina's text posts!#text

The UK production of Heathers the Musical is participating in a Kid's week thing where children UNDER 17 can go for free. What are we doing?? The sex number??? The graphic rape attempt that they purposefully made worse and more explicit?? These are children-appropriate?? Their own teen edition had to rewrite Dead Girl Walking but for some reason children can go watch adults pretend to have sex on stage?

I'm not a prude. But Heathers is a show for at least 16 y.o and older. Don't advertise it with musicals for children. I don't care if fans are younger. It is the adults' responsibility to target appropriate audiences and try to foster said audience. Your own show, and its original movie, was about the adults' failure to protect their kids. Heathers should not be in the same lineup as Paddington.

#A SEX SONG FOR FUCK'S SAKE IT IS DIFFERENT FROM HUMOR THEY ARE LITERALLY HAVING SEX #text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers the musical #I DON'T CARE IF THE FANBASE IS YOUNG YOU SHOULD NOT BE CATERING TO THEM

Veronica stating how she "must STOP HEATHER" in-between scenes of Chandler getting assaulted and being disgusted by herself is soooo underrated. Despite her current despise, Veronica sees Chandler's self-destruction. She knows that path won't end well. Her also knowing that she is the only one able to do so is tragic. She is far too aware of how useless and careless the adults are and that she cannot trust any of them. The college students won't have Chandler's best interests in mind either. Veronica is pissed at Chandler but that part of her writing is about her empathy and dislike of societal expectations

#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers 1988 #heathers movie #veronica sawyer #heather chandler

colorfuldream

Everyone feels the urge to make Veronica's former friend (be it Martha or Betty) pink when the movie had Betty be a dull gray color that made her blend into the background

colorfuldream

Addendum: Though Betty does have a bright pink bag and a very light pink sweater in the cafeteria scene, the color on her is so muted it has a more cream feel to it. The bag only appears for a few seconds. Martha is the one noticeably pink!

#again it isn't the same meaning. Martha is a more important character so her main wardrobe being a bright pink and later a Big Fun shirt is #important. she HAS to be linked back to the Heathers in a way Betty cannot be.#also Martha in the movie does not have the same role as in the musical. she's Duke's former friend; the main victim; the one not allowed to #speak until the end. she represents Veronica's growth through how she is treated by her and the narrative.#in terms of costumes her shirt isn't childish like in the musical. she just happens to wear pink. Betty's touch of pink as she reminiscents #about the past and carries a childhood picture of her and Veronica fits that idea much more. However Betty's big scene; the one where she #has the most screentime and is legitimately important beyond setting up a future scene has her in gray #betty finn #martha dunnstock #heathers #heathers 1988 #heathers the musical #heathers movie #heathers series #heathers 2018 #peathers #heathers tv show

colorfuldream

Everyone feels the urge to make Veronica's former friend (be it Martha or Betty) pink when the movie had Betty be a dull gray color that made her blend into the background

#reblogging because I couldn't add more hashtags #betty finn #martha dunnstock #heathers #heathers 1988 #heathers the musical #heathers movie #heathers series #heathers 2018 #peathers #heathers tv show

Everyone feels the urge to make Veronica's former friend (be it Martha or Betty) pink when the movie had Betty be a dull gray color that made her blend into the background

#even the extras and background characters were more colorful than her!#the musical and the series make her colorful; often pink; for the whole croquet thing but it's important for the former best friend to be #dull. she doesn't stand out. Veronica overshadows her by a lot. she's normal and maybe a bit mousy. when she wishes for Veronica's life #the audience must immediately get why. when Veronica misses her and wants her life but also not the audience gets why too.#her lack of color could also be interpreted as a personal failure. she presents herself that way. she is the one refusing to stand out #because of her own preconceived notions of herself and her social standing.#Veronica and Chandler both wear a lot of grey yet they still command attention. JD is mostly black (while hiding his true colors underneath #yet he feels unique. Betty's unassuming wardrobe could be a reflection of her self-imposed helplessness.#that narrative is far more interesting for the musical and the series as they both make use of it #the show has Betty go through brighter and softer pinks until she lets it go completely (← ripped away from her when she was attacked and #forced to transfer. she lost herself because of JD and society's lack of support)#the musical has Martha usually in overly bright tones. she's too open she stands out too much. she actively tries to do things especially #with Ram. but she also yearns for the life of the Heathers. she doesn't resent Veronica for getting it. Martha has a strong identity that i #partly the cause of her bullying. said color palette also evokes her childishness and innocence. the pinks are bright but soft. her sweater #usually has an unicorn on it. there is no way she could ever fit in and it seems like she knows it.#still I like the movie's choice the most. it summarizes her character and her relation to Veronica perfectly.#plus with the Heathers' taking on each other's colors; proving that one can “steal” another's or impose it on her; one could theorize that #Betty could be able to do so too as she is a blank slate. Veronica and Chandler; the two strong figures of the group; both wearing gray on #top of their own color could play into Betty possibly becoming; or wishing to become; one of them. either the proud leader or the jaded one #(← both are easy to covet and romanticize. Betty states she wishes she had Veronica's life; presumably assuming she lived like Chandler/her #pre-spring break self but her current reluctance makes her special. just look at how Veronica is perceived IRL.#she's cool and not like other girls while still being at the top and essentially a Heather. everyone fancies themselves a Veronica.)#this lack of guidance through color helps the audience wonder about her while not give her too much of a thought. Duke's words seem #plausible while ultimately not mattering as it's just background Betty. pink links her back to Chandler and later on Duke.#this is what the series does; associating her with pink as it turns her into a wannabe-Chandler. Betty is not as strong as her; not as #capable and would lose against Chandler (and JD as purple could make him lean more into their side than Veronica's) but still a possible #Heather. when she comes back without her pink; she doesn't bother with mind/social games. iirc she becomes green-ish which suits her being #subdued by Chandler's interest.#movie Betty being pink would cause some of the audience to think about some of this. it'd be counterproductive as she isn't meant to give a #definite answer as to where she would fall in the social hierarchy if she gave it a try or actively wanted it.

Currently begging someone on Instagram saying their grandma cast the extras for Heathers and therefore has the original script to leak it. Probably gonna get rejected or a virus. If I disappear, know that I have tried

#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers 1988

ecchymosess

If any of you Heathers movie fans ever needed a better look at Chandler's brooch...

There ya' go. Go crazy. Do with this knowledge what you'd like.

Hunted the thing down on a whim and found a good pic of it online.

And yes, this is what the thing actually looks like. I'm not making an educated guess. I've added comparison photos, so you know I'm not talkin' out my ass. You can even see the words on it in the first pic below, if you squint.

I don't know if it is common knowledge that this is what her brooch looks like up close or not. I've never seen anybody talk about it.

The motto engraved on it even has an article on Wikipedia. Have fun! -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honi_soit_qui_mal_y_pense

Oh, and one more thing... for any aspiring cosplayers out there, I was able to find this brooch for sale on Ebay (it appears there were multiple made) for fairly cheap. Just something to keep in mind.

#heathers #heathers movie #heather chandler #heathers 1988 #heathers outfit reference

Whoever on here who said that movie Veronica's blazer might be by Claudia Graü is right btw. They're one of a kind but you can find some listings for similar blazers, including a grey one with the same fabric!

#text #ondina's text posts!#heathers #heathers 1988 #veronica sawyer #there's a brand I like that makes blazers that are kind of like it but more lk but I'm gatekeeping #my advice would be to get those ready made ones from Amazon but only for the blazer and the knots #then you get a real non-cosplay skirt and shirt and slap the knots on it #more natural + accurate + can be reused outside of cosplay #you can find a shirt with a black line on the collar fairly easily. if you really want meaningless accuracy you can sew a pocket with #a black line + make sure you've got long sleeves with said line but that's pedantic #the earrings are harder to track down but if you're determined you can get them made

heyyowesterberg

one of my friends made peathers!chandler on tomodachi life and said i could share it!!

im so scared but in a good way

#BASED #peathers #heather chandler #heathers #heathers 2018 #heathers series #heathers tv show

Y'all I need that blue bag so bad I'm not joking I need that exact bag I don't care if it's 108203938 bucks

#↑ i lk own the red leather jacket Veronica wears for 30 seconds because it's from a brand I like and so I accidentally found it #there are a few fits that sites that find outfits in shows haven't pinned down ugh and it's the cutest ones #I shat on the suspended skirt fit in the pilot back in the day but it's actually really cute I was just mean #once you see that they're aiming for surrealism and a dash of “why are they dressed like that ew” it's far more digestible #some fits are atrocious but some of Veronica's are so cute. tbf I've been torn on the original movie's fashion because my girl needs to put #down the layers sometimes so ofc a newer take on it would iff me #I might be also lk waiting for the star studded leather jacket to be sold secondhand to grab it because it's gorgeous #DON'T GET THE FUCKASS SKIRT IN THAT FIT. the gray one with the ruffle? it's ugly irl #it only (barely) suits the actress because she's tall thin and gorgeous. wait no it's the skirt with the orange jacket Veronica wears in #ep 3 I think #anyways #text #ondina's text posts!#not tagging it because it's embarrassing bro #yeah I'm? a nerd. huge loser vibes. I KNOW.

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