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— 🎀🍰 · · · Breaking hiatus really quickly 02 say that Vi do not support lesboys && turigirls 、 mspec lesbians / gays 、 gaybians 、 straightbians 、 bi / pan lesbians or whatever else they call themselves 。
Hey can you please stop using the aemogai tag? We (the aemogai community) support mspec lesbians/gays, turigirls/lesboys, etc which is on your dni
Anti-endo mogai and aemogai are 2 different things
Hopefully this doesn't come off rude
— 🎀🍰 · · · The Goddess doesn't post anymore .. so Vi guess ? But that just doesn't make very much sense to ve 、 since aemogai seems to just be an abbreviation of anti — endo mogai 、 so how would they be two different things if one is just an abbreviation (★﹏★ ) ? (( /genq /nbr ♡ ))
this is literally 2 years old but i got down a little rabbit hole. anyway yeah, aemogai is just short for anti-endo mogai, its a synonym. for anon to be like "um actually we support x y and z" who is the "we" you're talking about, the tag you're referring to is just a short version of anti-endo mogai
i literally have NEVER seen anyone claim that aemogai specifically supports/doesn't support anything specific like mspec lesbians/gays, the only opinion (besides being pro lgbt/mogai, presumably) that the tag implies is being anti endo. that's it.
block op and block tags that are anti-what-you-support if you don't like them. but dont go around expecting people to know that you assume aemogai includes or excludes certain people, because it's literally a natural shortening of "anti endo mogai". same exact thing happened with "pro endo mogai" to "pemogai"
(like personally i'd just use the tags mogai and lgbt alongside pro/anti endo if needed but. anons are just. wild)
i know ive been discussing discourse but like i ONLY use the anti tags. and i have a very extensive dni. radinclus, radqueers, etc all preach being "anti harassment" and "stop ignoring dnis" and then harass people in their asks and ignore their dni. 💀💀
what are ur thoughts on why radical inclusionism is harmful and/or do u have any resources on the subject? im interested in learning more about the pov
sorry for this taking so long! school has been taking a lot out of me. thank you for your patience! i've put my full response under a cut as to not clog dashes.
first off, i want to very clearly establish that i am not in any way talking about inclusion itself as a concept. being against radical inclusionism does not mean i'm for exclusionism as a blanket statement--again, i'm not against inclusionism itself, i'm against the very specific radinclus movement.
honestly, I totally understand why radinclus people think the way they do. it's a very easy rabbit hole to go down, and on a surface level, the concept of "including all good-faith identities" sounds fantastic. the problem comes when you look into what a lot of that really means.
defining it as "good-faith identities" means that if someone says they are identifying as something in good faith, you have no right to criticize them. i've seen it play out more than a few times--take people who are transabled or transrace, or identities that are inherently bigoted ("afab trans woman", for example). the very basic premise of radical inclusionism removes the suggestion of critical thought ("who is affected by this? is there harm coming from someone saying this?") and makes a person's inclusion in the community hinge on accepting everything told to them at face value.
this is not coming out of nowhere. i'm not going to block evade to get a few examples i'd like to because i'm not an asshole but the gist of it is "what right do we have to dictate anyone else's experience, just trust what people say they are". again, on the surface this sounds fine, but if you look a little deeper into some of the things that people who say this support, it becomes evident that there's a nasty correlation going on.
most evidently, it leaks into ableism. the venn diagram between radical inclusionists and people who treat mental illness like a fun game (aka endos, which is a whole other thing i'm not going to get into rn, and """transabled""" people*) is pretty much a circle, and it all connects (from what i've seen) to the single biggest problem with radinclusionism: it actively discourages critical thought. like i said above, radical inclusionism punishes those who dare to be "exclusionists" (criticize any part of any "good faith identity") with ostracization from their peers.
it also discourages looking at actual queer history or talking to people with experience to make your decisions. instead of asking for unbiased sources and talking to those around you, radical inclusionism shoves the idea of criticizing "good faith identities" being evil down your throat.
if you ask for hard medical scientific sources when someone claims that they're a system without trauma so that you can review the evidence and make your own independent decision, you're discounting people's lived experiences. same goes for if you talk to someone affected outside of the group and ask how they feel about mspec lesbians or afab trans women and learn their opinion and then go back to the group and ask them to account for or respond to it.
they push the narrative that you're not using your resources and learning about science and history and figuring out your own stances through critical thought, you're perpetrating an exclusionist mindset and discounting "good faith identities".
not that you'd be able to see opinions outside the group's--it's a very, very tight echo chamber, with almost no chance of a dissuading opinion getting through in a way that isn't in the tone of a "get a load of this guy cam". who would want to interact with a nasty exclusionist, after all?
instead, i propose informed inclusionism. inclusionism that encourages critical thinking and discussion. inclusionism that advocates for talking to those around you as well as looking at historical and scientific sources as appropriate to make decisions. inclusionism that lets you take stock of the harm that some so-called "good faith identities" can cause, and that discourages you from turning a blind eye in the name of inclusionism when someone says how they are affected by said identities.
in order to become truly tolerant, you must be intolerant of intolerance. and, most importantly, you must know how to spot intolerance when it is disguised as tolerance. this requires critical thought that radinclus philosophy not only goes against, but actively punishes.
i hope this has helped you understand where i'm coming from better! again, thank you for your patience, this took a while to type out and edit and i've been very busy lately. if you have any questions, feel free to ask! i'll get to them as soon as i can.
note: this really doesn't seem to be an issue that a lot of people are talking about, which is interesting, and a reason there aren't more resources on this. i searched and searched, but couldn't really find much if anything that expressed this viewpoint. i honestly would have thought that there'd be more of a pushback against radinclus philosophy especially with how much tumblr tends to emphasize the need for critical thought, but i guess not. hopefully this can help create a space for dialogue + discussion in an area that sorely needs it! ^^
*i'm fully aware that biid is in and of itself a disability. someone being disabled in one form does not stop them from being ableist to those with another disability. if someone with biid identifies as transabled to being an amputee, that is ableist towards amputees. you cannot identify into a disability.
not so friendly fucking reminder that aemogai supports multigender people and historical terms (coming from someone who was literally friends with the creator of aemogai)
can you do Burgertron Gay Icons (Transformers: BotBots)
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hi !! I just wanted to ask if I am still allowed to request, as I am a dsmp IRL ! I do not at all support my source in any way, and I am actually two of the more not problematic creators so! I just wanted to ask
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