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Very true, you never see people up in arms about streaming services that rely on massive energy intensive data centres, who guess what, are also located in marginalised communities. Boycotting ai is not going to solve the issues of data centres. The solution to data centres as a whole lies in stripping away the "cloud" metaphor and regulating them as heavy industrial utilities that must prove a net-positive physical and economic benefit to the specific ground they stand on.

komsomolka

in my humble view art is just not important enough in the grand theme of things to dedicate all this discourse to💀

komsomolka

milfcastro-deactivated20251208

Yeah there's valid critique of A.I. but it certainly doesn't lie in the realm of defending I.P. and worrying about small artists losing 'potential' profit

bloodied-metal-pipe

why is artists losing work not a concern?

imsobadatnicknames2

The other branch of this post is fun, but for a serious answer in case you're asking in good faith: there is a difference between the proletarian artist concern of losing your employment to AI (e.g. getting fired because your boss decided that he doesn't need an illustrator when he can just use AI go generate graphics), which I think most serious socialists on this website including OP recognize as a valid concern rooted on labour issues, and the petit-bourgeois artisan concern of losing *potential* profits because of AI (e.g. being a commission artist and getting mad when you see someone generate an image with AI because they didn't commission you or someone like you instead), which by and large is rooted in the bourgeois logic that your imaginary potential profits are being stolen whenever someone who *hypothetically* could have paid for your services decides to access those services some other way instead.

illuvial-dreams

this would be an extremely salient point if the AI art models weren't STOLEN FROM THOSE ARTISTS.

imsobadatnicknames2

This would be a kinda clever response if I had the same definition of "stealing" as those fucking "You wouldn't download a car" ads.

dissonant-aria

Ah yes the bourgeois artists of the economic bracket of "relying on other people to pay them to draw to make ends meet". Clearly these are the same as those that own the means of production.

imsobadatnicknames2

Absolutely adore this form of vibes-based marxism where "bourgeois" is not a descriptor of someone's position within capitalist labor relations but instead a descriptor of wealth and immorality. The term petit-bourgeois apparently doesn't mean you're referring to someone who sells products or services directly to customers (making their class interests distinct from someone who sells their labor power to an employer) but instead someone who is moderately well-off and only kinda evil.

yanwangdijunfensi

fuck kakao omg?? nintendo ass behaviour

yanwangdijunfensi

artists who are proactively against piracy are the most selfish ppl in the community. Gatekeeping and paywalling art is how culture starts stagnating

milfcastro-deactivated20251208

Yeah there's valid critique of A.I. but it certainly doesn't lie in the realm of defending I.P. and worrying about small artists losing 'potential' profit

bloodied-metal-pipe

why is artists losing work not a concern?

imsobadatnicknames2

The other branch of this post is fun, but for a serious answer in case you're asking in good faith: there is a difference between the proletarian artist concern of losing your employment to AI (e.g. getting fired because your boss decided that he doesn't need an illustrator when he can just use AI go generate graphics), which I think most serious socialists on this website including OP recognize as a valid concern rooted on labour issues, and the petit-bourgeois artisan concern of losing *potential* profits because of AI (e.g. being a commission artist and getting mad when you see someone generate an image with AI because they didn't commission you or someone like you instead), which by and large is rooted in the bourgeois logic that your imaginary potential profits are being stolen whenever someone who *hypothetically* could have paid for your services decides to access those services some other way instead.

illuvial-dreams

this would be an extremely salient point if the AI art models weren't STOLEN FROM THOSE ARTISTS.

imsobadatnicknames2

This would be a kinda clever response if I had the same definition of "stealing" as those fucking "You wouldn't download a car" ads.

dissonant-aria

Ah yes the bourgeois artists of the economic bracket of "relying on other people to pay them to draw to make ends meet". Clearly these are the same as those that own the means of production.

imsobadatnicknames2

Absolutely adore this form of vibes-based marxism where "bourgeois" is not a descriptor of someone's position within capitalist labor relations but instead a descriptor of wealth and immorality. The term petit-bourgeois apparently doesn't mean you're referring to someone who sells products or services directly to customers (making their class interests distinct from someone who sells their labor power to an employer) but instead someone who is moderately well-off and only kinda evil.