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[dizzyduck44]

One of my pet peeves in life are people who use part of a statement to prove an argument, my absolute worst being American’s insistence on their right to bear arms, whilst ignoring the whole second section about in defence of their country.

Well I think in F1 we have been guilty of the same thing.

Someone has brought to my attention today that whilst we have all been focusing/obsessing on the “any cars behind the lead car” unlapping themselves phrase and does any mean all, it’s actually the next bit that really we should all be focusing on which apparently is “only when all lapped cars have passed the lead car and safety car, the safety car will then return to the pits on the next lap” or words to that effect.

To me there is no grey area there. All lapped cars must pass the safety car and it will return to the pits the following lap. This is why three lawyers told Mercedes they had a strong case. It fundamentally changed at least 4 drivers place in the Championship standings (I haven’t worked out all the options).

Now I respect Mercedes and Lewis decision to not persue this and as I keep saying, this is no drivers fault so please don’t start throwing blame around. What concerns me is the FIA are going to try and convince the teams, the drivers, the media and us the fans that we misunderstood that rule. A rule they have quoted to teams and drivers in the past to explain why a safety car needs to stay out.

If you are a Lewis fan, a Max fan, a Daniel fan, a Seb fan, whoever you support do not let them try to hoodwink you. You are not stupid. Do not let them focus on the bit they want you to focus on, ignoring the bit that contradicts their version of events.

I will try and find the exact sections, articles and wording but regardless of who you support please consider the fact the FIA are trying to manipulate everyone involved in Formula One to believe they’re right.

I’m a Lewis and Lando fan and even I can see the FIA have two approaches to Lando, ignore him completely or punish him but lessen it because he has a pretty convincing sob story. They interpret the rules depending on the circumstances and sometimes drivers (I know Seb fans I’m preaching to the converted) or teams involved (Ferrari International Assistance - what exactly went on with the 2019 engine again? That’s right you never told us!). They have been doing this for a while (at least since Charlie Whiting passed).

If you support your driver or team keep shouting about this because next time it could be your favourite that ends up on the receiving end of a decision that makes no sense.

If they try to claim that this has been a mistranslation from the French to the English I actually think all the teams should throw the towel in. If you would rather stoop that low than admit a mistake was made then what is even the point anymore.

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Excuse me one damn minute. He what now?

No wonder he was so 🤷‍♀️ after the race. Places to be, people to see, sob stories to share

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Only Lando can have a “comical” dnf after starting on the wrong tyres, leading the first lap, pitting, fighting through the field, pitting again and then having his gearbox give up leading to him valet parking his car behind Alex’s (meaning no yellow flag or safety car), investigates the damage to his gearbox, gets mobbed, ends up having stunning pictures taken of him on the back of a moped, to then bound into the media pen to deliver cest la vie energy.

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I am once again asking when will the universe give Lando and Lewis a good weekend on the SAME DAMN weekend.

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Lando Norris fighting every demon and gremlin inside him to not laugh when talking about the entertainment of watching the Mercedes fight.

He so wanted to make a sarcastic comment. You can sense it 😂

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I’ve read a lot of F1 books over the years and this is one of my favourites. It written with such love for the sport and genuine personal connection to the people he talks about. There is real affection for Michael Schumacher, Sebastian Vettel, Lewis Hamilton and Lando Norris. His memories of Murray Walker are brilliant. His summing up of Abu Dhabi 21 and Crashgate is insightful.

First and foremost Ted is an F1 fan. A bit obsessed with F1 really. And honestly, no content creator has ever managed to reach the same level of joyful nerdiness he has. Then again, they’ve never had Seb call them a “cheeky bastard” or had George prime them to get the juicy gossip, or Niki Lauda telling them to piss off back to the pitlane.

But when you negotiate yourself a spot in the McLaren garage for races, as long as you stay quiet and don’t report sensitive information, you are going to have the best stories.

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No longer on the same team, hell the same category. No longer the same height, but the 1000 watt smile is back and she’s carrying his hat for him and manhandling him into media obligations.

Old habits die hard. She will always be his F1 Mum.

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I saw this picture weeks ago and I couldn’t quite pin down the vibe it was giving.

Now I know.

This picture screams “look what you made me do”.

You hate on them, you discount them, they just find a way to prove you wrong. And it’s served with a side of attitude of well I had to prove you wrong didn’t I.

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Can someone just check @pinkydec is still alive after this?

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Does anyone else think Lando, Kimi and Ollie are just the same person in three different fonts?

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The last three winners of the Miami Grand Prix ladies and gentlemen

One was given a soft drink instead of champagne, one got violated by streamers and the other was in a foul mood and evoked World Champion privilege so was left alone.

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A 5 second penalty for Max, 20 seconds for Charles!!!

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As weekends go, I’ll take it. Nearly all my favs got prizes.

Lewis what have I got to do to get you and Lando to have a good weekend at the same time 😢

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To Kimi, Lando, Oscar, George, Max and Charles

THANK YOU

That is what F1 should be. Speed, daring, unpredictable, jaw dropping moments, attempted murder (we saw Max guide Lando towards the wall and practically drive over Carlos), last lap position changes, the stewards with 3 hours of work after the race.

This is what we want! When we talk about the best drivers in the world, that’s what we mean.

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Anyone else want to give George Russell a shake?

He actually said out loud he struggles on certain tracks and named Brazil. . . .

Where he took pole and had his first race win.

He’s talking himself into ridicule. And Toto is doing it as well.

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Something that has only now dawned on me. Something Lando will always have over Max and Lewis

(Stop sharpening your pitchforks!!)

I argue a driver becomes a World Champion at his first title and any titles that follow just solidify that. As Jenson is happy to tell anyone, they don’t take the title off you. You can be a former World Champion, but you will ALWAYS be referred to as a World Champion driver.

Because of the chaotic nature of the last laps in Brazil in 2008 and Abu Dhabi in 2021, neither Lewis or Max went into the last lap of the race knowing they were about to be a World Champion.

Lando talked about how emotional that last lap was for him. Knowing what was about to happen, all the people who had been part of the journey along the way. The look of his parents face as he crossed the line. For Lewis and Max it was a mad survival scramble to the line. For Lewis, people had already finished the race and he wasn’t World Champion yet.

Lando will always have that moment, he knew, he knew his life was about to change. His name would about to be written in history. That was denied Max and Lewis.

Now I know, at the end of the day no one cares how they get a title, and Max and Lewis went on to win Championships with races to spare, but the first time, I can’t help but feel that wonderful moment of the stars aligning and knowing and basking in it before you have to say a word was taken from them.

It’s the thing Lando will always have over them.

[traceofexistence]

not you comparing an FIA fix with actual racing

tell me you didn't watch the 2008 race without telling me you didn't watch it

Timo Glock, and the other toyota, decided to stay out, when it started raining, in normal tyres, that gamble gained him few positions in the end, but FIVE (5) cars passed him because he was slower in the normal tyres, in those five cars Hamilton was the forth.

if Timo Glock and Toyota had chosen to get into pits and change to inters like the rest of the cars, Hamilton would have still won the championship.

I beg some of you to learn the actual facts before opening your mouth

Hamilton haters including Massa try so hard to take his champion away that they have created such a bullshit delusion to tell and people like you believe that

open your eyes and watch the on board and count

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhH93grvh84

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Right I’m sorry. I’m not putting up with posts like this. I don’t know what the hell you are trying here @traceofexistence but you have pushed the wrong person.

So I tell you what seen as you have decided to take this not in the intention it was meant and have decided to leave out multiple facts to only support you having a moment, let’s get into it.

Not only did I watch the race live and not on YouTube some years later, AND have read the books of several of the people involved that day including Lewis, his pitcrew, and commentators, I’ve also watched multiple interviews with Massa, John Todt and Glock.

Yes Toyota left Glock out. Lewis was in 6th. He had gone wide and Vettel passed him. Massa was champion when he crossed the line. In this notion of a driver not knowing if they are World Champion in the last lap, Massa probably thought he was. And was World Champion for 3 corners. The reaction of his Dad finding out Lewis had got 5th is devastating. No one talks about how Massa was on top of the world for 3 corners and then had to gather himself together in front of a home crowd and accept the winners trophy, when really it probably meant nothing.

Lewis admits he was confused but the pit wall kept pushing him. He had no real idea why at the time. He assumed by losing the place to Vettel it was over. His engineers could see the Toyotas struggling but even they didn’t know for sure he could do it. Lewis didn’t even realise at the time he had gone into 5th because it was so wet.

As for Toyota, they made a mistake. However we now know from the drivers and pit lane personnel that Toyota wanted to pit, but the parc ferme barriers had already been put out and they were told the pit lane was closed and they had to stay out on the tyres they had.

Nothing Toyota did that day was intentional to give or take a championship from anyone.

Did the FIA mess up that day? Yes. Did the FIA mess up in 2021? Yes. Was that the point my post was making. No.

On either of those occasions did the driver who became World Champion know as they started their last lap they were World Champion. No. That was the point.

Stop railroading over people’s opinions because you want to twist people’s words. And for god sake stop assuming you are the oracle of F1. Because sadly two of my most common used phrases in F1 interactions of late are “oh yes I’m such a DTS fan I got to see Schumacher race in person” and “I have F1 merch older than every driver from Lando Norris downwards on the grid”. NEVER assume the person posting did not have first hand experience of a race.

If you want to go back through my posts there is what I can remember of the Imola 1994 weekend and how much is memory and how much is after the fact knowledge.

Or check out my pinned post on my account about how Abu Dhabi 2021 was so problematic for the sport and its future.

When did Lewis fans become like this, because we weren’t like this. Lewis fans used to be kind and pragmatic. There was zero need for that reply. Especially when it only takes into consideration one viewpoint, when what happened in 2008 had 3 viewpoints.

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Something that has only now dawned on me. Something Lando will always have over Max and Lewis

(Stop sharpening your pitchforks!!)

I argue a driver becomes a World Champion at his first title and any titles that follow just solidify that. As Jenson is happy to tell anyone, they don’t take the title off you. You can be a former World Champion, but you will ALWAYS be referred to as a World Champion driver.

Because of the chaotic nature of the last laps in Brazil in 2008 and Abu Dhabi in 2021, neither Lewis or Max went into the last lap of the race knowing they were about to be a World Champion.

Lando talked about how emotional that last lap was for him. Knowing what was about to happen, all the people who had been part of the journey along the way. The look of his parents face as he crossed the line. For Lewis and Max it was a mad survival scramble to the line. For Lewis, people had already finished the race and he wasn’t World Champion yet.

Lando will always have that moment, he knew, he knew his life was about to change. His name would about to be written in history. That was denied Max and Lewis.

Now I know, at the end of the day no one cares how they get a title, and Max and Lewis went on to win Championships with races to spare, but the first time, I can’t help but feel that wonderful moment of the stars aligning and knowing and basking in it before you have to say a word was taken from them.

It’s the thing Lando will always have over them.