Orhan, Ayse, Beyazid and Ismail
kayasushi said:
That’s a great analysis. Now it makes sense why Beyazid is so wary about the tiger. I always thought it might be a death flag for him. So you think it was wrong to side with Turkiye? Siding with the empire will mean getting annexed eventually though. The goal of the empire is to gain more land after all. I still think Beyazid picked the better option.
sayaka19fan said:
I think there wasn’t a better or a worse choice: the sultanate can’t keep its independence. Even Zaganos was forced to admit that Turkyie has to become an empire too. If I was the sultan I had better take my revenge against the people who treated my father like a puppet instead of siding with them and being annexed anyway. Beyazid’s patriotism is cool but not pragmatic. Turkyie has no interest in defending the independence of the sultanate.
aonoou said:
I am actually conflicted if I’ll agree with Balaban or Beyazit’s choice. As much as I want to “totally agree” with Beyazit, I can also agree to Balaban’s reason of siding with the empire. (Or actually not totally siding with them since I think Balaban has his own plans ) And now after if Beyazit will die leaving Muzrak on its vulnerable state, well I would really say Balaban should have been kept alive instead. It’s also d same with Sultan Selim’s reason for almost killing Ayse (to protect his people instead of siding with the anti sultan faction in which at that time has lesser number than the sultans army, which actually puts the entire Kilic in danger) and also Doge Lucio reasons during the meeting (the alliance fist meeting when questioned by The king of Urado)
Me:
To me, among the sultans Ayse and Beyazid are the idealistic ones, Ismail the pragmatic one and Orhan the anti-political one. For Ayse and Beyazid the cultural bond is stronger than anything else, they are genuinely fond of Torkyie as they would be of their mother and, if required, they would sacrifice their relatives for a greater good. The argument “We must avoid infightings at any cost” works well on them.
Ismail would have ride any horse that would probably put him on the throne. It doesn’t matter if his sultanate gems are sold to Torkyie for 3 sehir whereas torkyieian people sell them for 30 sehir or more, he is not greedy, business is good enough the way it is and he betted the survival of the sultanate on keeping the status quo. In fact he is convinced by Beyazid’s Shark yay.
Orhan is the only one who would be happy not being a sultan at all as long as he can protect Ayse. He used the argument “my father betrayed his own word and was not worth of his title”. Mahmut has never tried to convince him, Orhan reasoning is beyond diplomacy. He is a wild card.
@aonoou Mirzak border countries are Torkyie and Balt-Rhein and its army, even combined with the other sultanates, isn’t big enough to face Torkyie or Balt-Rhein on its own. Under the Balt-Rhein Impire would Mizrak be freer? We won’t never know! Besides, if all the sultans die Torkyie could legitimately claim the succession. There are plenty of dead flags but I still hope it wouldn’t be a massacre…
@drittesreichx88 Don’t hide this in the tags!
I agree, trying to be super partes, I always come to the same conclusion: Beyazit played in Mahmut’s hands.














