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hi guys
just a little update. i'll be more active on here after july 2nd. that's the last day of work (i've been working an 8 am - 4:30 pm every weekday) and i'll actually have time to write and be active on here
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henry survives inside the psychic network of the upside down. he has no real body anymore. he's reduced to a voice, almost like a memory. He can't attack people directly, so he starts influencing people through dreams, grief, and trauma.
he's not âbackâ right away. he's weak, furious, and incomplete.
that makes his return scarier because he has to manipulate others instead of just simply showing up again. like the group, now older, would expect.
dustin's part of the reason how it all opens up. he kept the journal of brenner's that he found in the upside down and has focused and obsessed over the dark matter and so on. and an experiment he does opens the tiniest tear, not a full one, not big enough to notice until it's too late.
and when nancy and robin move back to hawkins in 2015, with their 11 year-old daughter, nancy's nightmares begin again due to vecna having already entered her mind to use her as a "messenger" years before.
"no. i am... what's left"
(or the apocalyptic vibes the duffers never gave us in season 5)
"I'll kiss her, even"
Maya talks about Ronance and hanging out with Natalia
thank you for your service queen
"don't take me away from my friend"
"i'll do anything"
"i'll kiss her even"
oh my god???????????
come back to me, robin
synopsis â the world is falling apart and hawkins is at the center of it, again. and nancy has to try and bring her robin back from the consuming grip of the mind flayer
(and a look into my stranger things/ronance kidverse)
hiiiiiii
long time since i've been on here but i've decided to reboot this account because i finally have ideas!!!
(plus lowkey, everything went downhill after i logged out of here and i'm superstitious lol)
a case study on epilogue ronance (and why theyâre canon no matter what the duffers now say)
starting with the implied breakup of robin and vickie pre-epilogue. this was shown by robinâs âoverbearing girlfriendsâ comment on the wsqk roof and how vickie was both nowhere to be seen or directly mentioned.
i do have a theory that vickie told dr. kay and the military what was happening (yes, they saw the plans, i know), because while everyone else was getting shoved up against the truck, essentially manhandled by soldiers, she was just standing there with her arms crossed, looking annoyed??? there wasnât even an ounce of panic or any real emotion on her face. yet, proving the annoyance wasnât at what was happening around her. robin had told her earlier to shut up over the radio. i think just all those pieces really did a number on them. i donât believe enzoâs happened and i genuinely think that moment was the end for them. especially since vickie never understood what robin was going through and then you add on the fact that robinâs been ditching her so nancyâs plans wouldnât fail⊠yeah, it didnât last much longer. and itâs very clear in the epilogue that robin has her eyes set on nancy (again)
now, i know this wasnât in the epilogue, but it very much connects to it. when nancy and jonathan broke up, nancy said something very interesting
nancy didnât know what she wanted. and whenever this was vaguely brought up pre-volume two release. natalia always phrased it as ânancy trying new thingsâ. well, jonathan and steve arenât new things. and with how nancy looked in the epilogue, sheâs gotten comfortable with herself and her sexuality (nancy wheeler finally free from her comphet storyline) and openly exchanging looks with robin while being with jonathan and steve
now moving on to the the finale episode, just before the epilogue because i have to bring this up again. itâs one of my favorite moments
after robin asks whoâs going to be the bait, nancy gives herself up and robin looks absolutely devastated. then, after nancy starts firing at the mind flayerâs physical form and tells the group to go, twice, robinâs face, when they showed her a second time, is even more heartbreaking. she was on the verge of tears. and after going back and rewatching the scene, i noticed that when robin asked the question, she hesitated and her voice even broke a little bit. almost like she knew nancy was going to be the one to step forward. like she wished she couldâve taken the words back instantly after she started saying them
moments later, when jonathan almost runs back towards nancy, who was actively running towards the mind flayer, robinâs the one to grab him and tell him thereâs nothing they could do. her voice was so broken. and then the âpleaseâ left her lips. desperation. she trusted nancy and her plan enough to not going running after her, but she also needed to rush up to their place because robin couldnât even handle the mere thought of losing nancy. and itâs much deeper than a fear of losing a friend (iâll also take this time to point out that when nancy gave herself up as bait, the camera pointed to jonathan, dustin and robin. and robin, is technically the outlier in that situation)
now finally, to the epilogue!!! there was SO MUCH here. i was so shocked and on a high
getting into the details, we know how robin asked nancy âhow are the babes at emerson?â. when robin says the word âbabesâ she always means women. and i, truthfully, have never heard the term âbabesâ be used for men in the context the term was used. and when nancy used that as a gateway to reveal she dropped out of emerson and took a trainee job at the boston herald, robin just looked⊠so proud. even teased her about how she knew nancy would become a navy seal. then came the ânancy wheeler, still full of surprisesâ. these were all extremely flirty dialogues, especially when you add in all the looks and eye-fucking that was going on even without spoken words between them
(i mean look at the receipts)
i have a theory (one of my favorites) that nancy and robin have been dating for at least a few months before the epilogue (which is june 1989 in case anyone didnât notice). thereâs no true backing to this but all their shared looks and robin asking about the âbabes at emersonâ felt like there was a lot of implications that ran deeper rather than them just flirting with each other. this isnât out of the realm of possibility as robin goes to smith college in northampton, massachusetts and nancy is still in boston working. that is a little under a two hour drive from one another
but even without my theory of them getting together pre-epilogue and being in a secret relationship, whichever way you want to take it, wether nancy and robin have been together prior to the rooftop scene or theyâre flirting and clearly have active feelings for each other, jonathan absolutely clocked their shit (just like the rest of us). and itâs also fitting, because if you read one way or another, you know jonathan also clocked robin and vickie
ronance was VERY HEAVILY IMPLIED CANON with all the epilogue and even the finale as a whole provided, as the open endings lead to and support the canon. itâs really brought a sense of peace (especially amidst this stupid conformity gate bs). and with the duffers not knowing how to respond to anything now and trying to satisfy everyone else who wasnât happy when their ships didnât remain or go canon⊠itâll stay this way no matter what they say at this point.
and on that note, a quick reminder: if they truly wanted the epilogue to be perceived another way they shouldâve written it another way
i never want to see anybody say it was ever one-sided again⊠this is pure devastation
st5 finale and epilogue spoilers below!!!
okay, this is a very emotional breakdown of the finale and epilogue for ronance
there wasnât a whole lot before the epilogue, which the duffers couldâve definitely fit in, but i wasnât expecting as the duffers hate them for some reason. that being said, there were a lot of placement and unspoken moments that were enough in terms of this season pre-epilogue
starting off with when jonathan says they should split up when going up the tower. robin folds into the line with nancy almost instantly and at this point i was taking any crumb given, i was genuinely just excited they were staying close together
EDIT: we did get a ronance hug! mike was there too but itâs okay because thatâs his sister-in-law now lol
same goes for when they were walking in the area where vecnaâs physical body was. robin stayed close to nancy or was in step with her most of the way
when the mind flayer (thatâs what i presumed it was) began attacking them and they came up with a plan against it, robin asked who was going to be the bait⊠and her face after nancy volunteered herself to do so was so fucking heartbreaking
you could tell she was hoping somebody else was going to jump in so nancy wouldnât be the one to do so
and then when nancy started shooting at the mind flayer and told them to go, the duffers showed robin again and it was so much more devastating. she was BREAKING
(there was no need for it but here we are and i will be thinking about it FOREVER)
fast forward to the epilogue, robinâs at smith college (which is in northampton, massachusetts btw) but sheâs back at wsqk as a âguestâ to do the opening epilogue monologue
(for those who want to know for fic purposes, smith college is a little less than a two hour drive to boston)
(not really related to ronance but they played âlandslideâ by fleetwood mac and i start SOBBING and the tears did not stop until it all ended)
they made nancy look so fucking gay itâs not even funny
nancy, robin, jonathan and steve, after the younger kidsâ graduation, were all sitting on the roof of wsqk drinking beer and for a little one way or another reference, nancy and robin were drinking out of red solo cups
theyâre all implied to be single except steve, of course. there is a mention of a crystal, which i have to admit, was cute
âwhat about you, nance? how are the babes at emerson?â
thereâs a lot going on in this sequence. robin calling nancy ânanceâ again meant so much to me. the question itself implies queer nancy. and nancyâs little look at robin when she says it and how robin says it⊠a little flirty shall i say
nancy reveals she actually dropped out of emerson and robin goes straight into teasing saying âi knew it! you became a navy sealâ
nancy also reveals she took a job at the boston herald and robin had the most⊠endearing look on her face. like she was proud and maybe something more
ânancy wheeler, still full of surprisesâ
GODDDDDDD
robin said this with the same exact look on her face. it never changed within that little exchange, though it somehow got softer. and what robin said got that little shy smile nancy always has for robin out
just the looks and eye contact were killing me in the epilogue
and when robin start to say âbut itâsââ nancy jumps in and finishes with âitâs not the sameâ⊠IT DID ME IN
they all plan to meet at robinâs weird uncleâs house in philadelphia starting the next month
THIS COULDâVE SET UP THE PERFECT SPIN-OFF IâM SO SERIOUS
(also not ronance related but mike saying eleven found the three waterfalls and found peace and them actually showing it⊠i was already sobbing but i absolutely lost it at that)
i also feel the âthis is just a theory right?â and âhow do we know itâs trueâ leading into âbut i choose to believe it isâ is so IMPORTANT for all of usâŠ
because now? the story is up to us and what we choose to believe. thatâs what makes it real
(though we did kinda win. itâs heavily implied. i have to say that)
my personal ronance thoughts going into the finale and why everything seems to be pointing to ronance endgame/canon
iâm going to start this out by saying i really donât think robin and vickie will be together through the epilogue. i still do think vickieâs not fully safe, even though she stayed behind with max. but going off of her staying behind, we finally have nancy, whoâs no longer in any relationship with the boys (wooooo), and robin is finally in the same space as nancy and is without vickie around
also, i tried to like vickie and her and robin together. i really did but god, there is just so much thatâs just⊠wrong. all theyâve really done together is lie, argue and get annoyed at one another. robin even explained it all to her, and yes, i know it sounds like a made-up fantasy story, but things had openly been happening for a little over a year, the ground split open and there was spores in the air, they all saw, so i find it insane that she couldnât even entertain the fact that robin was telling the truth until after the demodog appeared.
this brings me to vickie insisting that robin was a drug addict and robin denying it several times, only for vickie to just keep going with that insane theory of hers (despite robin having had explained why she took the drugs). and then vickie saying it in front of the military while robin was being pulled away???? that was insane. robin was so openly annoyed by it all. the flopping on the bed because vickie just didnât listen to her and also the throwing her head back when vickie was like âsheâs in recovery!â robin was just about done with her and i feel bad for robin because vickie just doesnât listen to her. in a way, it paralleled jonathan and nancy (though jonathan and nancy were at least less chaotic about it most of the time)
(robin and nancy actually listen to and try to understand each other and that is so so important)
and then when theyâre all together, who does robin sit by on the couch, instead of standing with or sitting by her girlfriend??? the girl sheâs been eye-fucking with since s4
i do also think nancy might be vecnaâd if theyâre truly bringing back barbâs body. and robin definitely knows nancyâs favorite song. like she knew hollyâs favorite song without needing any details. and we know from one way or another that nancy and robin hang out a lot. my thought is robin will be the one to pull her out of the curse and theyâll have some heart to heart after that (as it usually goes with them and nancy almost dying). and i do think theyâll bond and comfort each other, especially if nancy tells robin about barb and robin finally reveals she used to be friends with barb as well
jonathan, we now know, HATES pink (so much so that he just gave her sweater to goodwill instead of giving it back to her??? thatâs a whole other thing though). and robin is the only other character in the show who chooses to wear pink, like nancy (vickie doesnât count because itâs the uniform) and she and nancy wear the same/similar shades of pink at the same time nancy and vickie parallel each other in the candy stripper dresses
nancy had such a lack of reaction to will coming out, but she looked like she was thinking hard about something. i really do think thatâs not just placement and stuff, i think that was purposeful. especially with her being near robin in that moment
natalia and maya have been moving extremely interesting lately. maya always says to not take what she says completely seriously, and theyâre under strict ndaâs, so they literally canât spoil anything in interviews, which means theyâre probably to some extent lying because it does make the interviews more interesting to hypothetically talk about what you wanted rather than the love triangle talk. plus, they never even fully deny it either
this event last week, which i think is when the cast got to watch the finale episode together, outside the duffer brothers and the group pictures, the only two who paired to get photos together were natalia and maya. it makes it funnier knowing maya was busy and didnât do interviews and then came back and only ever paired with nat
natalia has been saying nancyâs âtrying new thingsâ is also heavily queercoded in itâs context. even when the duffers say it when they confirm the breakup. she needs to figure things out and try new things
and then thereâs nataliaâs post from last night
not only did nat give maya photo credits but she also tagged her in the actual photo. now, when itâs charlie, nat tags him 99% of the time and i honestly donât think that is charlie. it just doesnât look like him. and i do find it interesting that she both have maya credits and then tagged her in the actual photo and then nobody else
i still think itâs either ronance endgame or theyâre both bones, those are really the only two options, especially seeing as neither of them have epilogue photos at all. charlie has at least seen bts
if they go the ronance bones root i see it like this. if nancy dies first itâs to protect robin and if robin dies first, nancy is fighting tooth and nail to stop it and fails and then gets herself killed recklessly trying to avenge it
but i genuinely hope and believe itâll end and theyâll be in boston or exploring some new place together as a couple or just platonically (thatâs a win for us ronancers either way)
EDIT: when nancy and jonathan are having their moment and admitting things and nancy admits she needed space. jonathan then says âspace to be with someone elseâ. and who was she paired with most of s4??? robin
st5 volume two spoilers below!!!
god where do i even begin with this one???
jonathan was so fucking childish??? still on the same insecure bullshit as volume one but then also fighting with nancy, airing out all their relationship problems IN THE UPSIDE DOWN and then he fucking pulled a manipulative tactic and tried to make it seem like she was the bad guy in that like she wasnât understanding him??? while heâs the one still failing to understand her
robinâs whole dialog about telling steve was adorable but i still hate that theyâre using her to push along will being comfortable with his queerness. i get it, but iâm still sick of girls being used to help menâs developments
steve failing to understand nancyâs grief in s2 and now dustinâs in s5 is so fucking wild. canon steve is really so different than fanon steve
(also rich of dustin to call out steve for chasing nancy like he wasnât one of the sole reasons he began chasing after her again in s4)
shoutout to robinâs âit is hitting me like a whitney houston high noteâ. also screw everyone who acts like she isnât one of the smartest people in the group, sheâs a fucking genius
vickie pulling robin away from lucas??? and then despite robin explaining it all, sheâs so insistent that robinâs a drug addict??? (i mean, i get it, it seems like a made up story but weird shit has been happening in that town openly for a year-ish so why would you maybe not believe her)
even though she apologized and they kinda made up i still donât like her character or the ship (iâm so sorry i tried i swear. theyâre just so mediocre and we shouldnât have to settle for sapphic ships like that)
max woke up and i bawled my eyes out, genuinely
the duffers using jonathan and nancy almost dying to spew all the things they lied about to each other/didnât know about one another was so???? thatâs just such god awful writing i donât even know how to dive into it properly. the only thing i even remotely enjoyed in the slightest was the un-proposal, but after that iâm just confused so if anyone wants to discuss feel free (lol)
robin sitting on the arm of the damn couch while nancy sits beside her AGAIN. insane lol
and just so iâm clear⊠robinâs with nancy and everyone in the upside down while vickie stayed back with max??? so in that one blurry ass photo of robin and others in the upside down it possibly is nancy beside her like i originally thought (i remember seeing this picture months ago)
also iâm really confused/intrigued by nataliaâs recent post on instagram. her, maya and charlie being together during their last shoot. it scares me because it fits with them having no epilogue photos⊠this is what really gets me
update to one of my points: duffers confirmed nancy and jonathan broke up (THANK GOD). now iâm praying she and robin can head off to boston together
robin is so in love with nancy that she'll stand vickie up, she'll leave her shift at wsqk, drop anything she is doing. for her
nancyâs in love with robin and robinâs in love with nancy
this is not one-sided
(side note: i really wish we couldâve seen this on screen. this fight is so important)
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thought:
what happened between the events of one way or another and season 5 to make Nancy go from âRobin is my preferred investigation partner, I know she has my back now and I trust herâ to âRobin is in the station during crawls and not gonna be in the van or hunting demogorgons or going anywhere else that might run into troubleâ
and how frustrated does Robin get because of it
i noticed this too after reading one way or another
my personal headcanon for this is nancy keeps robin at the station with her to try and protect her because if she loses robin that will push her fully over the edge
Nancy self-discovery journy
You can see it here: https://x.com/badpostnatalia/status/2001835451540213838/mediaViewer?currentTweet=2001835451540213838€tTweetUser=badpostnatalia
Either is about not needing either Jonathan or Steve or that she is lesbian or bi (I believe she is more lesbian than bi).
But, Natalia literally says âtrying new thingsâ is soâŠ
having no epilogue pics of nancy or robin and now the volume 2 trailer⊠theyâre really gonna be bones
the duffers genuinely couldâve created one of the most beautiful and natural love stories in the show⊠iâm sick to my stomach.
this and the cut scene of robin admitting sheâs falling in love with nancy. this and nancy saying âi got youâ instead of âyou got thisâ