what does priya say to you? when does the discussion begin?
Okay, in the beginning of the discussion she's mad because I talked to Marina, she says that she could sue me for intimidating Marina (which I didn't, Candy in no moment tries to intimidate Marina in the conversation of episode 10) then she says that I probably talked to her because Rayan charmed me to and that I was becoming an accomplice from his crime, that she could easily put me in jail for that too.
Which that Candy answers with the iconic phrase that "He's the man I love! What you rather having me doing besides trying to help him?".
I honestly don't remember every single thing. I'm pretty sure she called him a pig. And went like "if he didn't want to get any threats and such, he shouldn't have used his privilege position to commit a crime" (or something along those lines).
I will be honest, I have already deleted that conversation from my mind. So I maybe phrasing this wrongly but this is what she meant in little bits and that's the pieces of information I got.
I was honestly expecting doing a second run, I wasn't expecting getting the ilus in my first run =/ I wish I had took the screenshots!! Next time I will!!!
And to be honest, my brain was so happy for having Rayan back, so much relief and love for seeing him back and looking less tired, that everything else melted away.
I'd rather Candy be the voice of reason instead of someone just as biased by love: "innocent until proven guilty, and you only have the accusation and trying to figure out a convincing lie instead of finding out the truth, you have admitted that yourself. And what exactly is he accused of? A consensual relationship with an adult woman? That would be unethical at worst, and between him and the director, not illegal. And even assuming he had tried to rape her in his office, what immediate danger is he to her now that only an urgent smear campaign could protect her from? What can you lose with taking the time for an investigation and due process? Are you really so sure of his guilt you are willing to risk your career and reputation without so much as double-checking and asking for his side of the story?"
Can we stop for a minute and think about Candy's perspective during that whole situation between Rayan and Marina?
I don't talk enough about the feminine perspective of our female lead when I talk about Rayan's route, but today I was reflecting.
Ok. I won't even get into much of "did he actually and unknowingly give the wrong idea to Marina and maybe even was too trusting of others, more than he should?" cuz, come on, we all know from Marina's mouth that it was all in her head and she was the one trying super hard to hook up with someone's else man, saying that if Candy got hurt or not in the process, that was none of her concern (well, the black eye me and my girl Candy could give to Marina was also none of our concern, but we didn't so), let's leave this on the side right now.
But let's actually talk about Rayan's behavior outside of it, like when the shit went down and we got a glimpse of what he looked like (probably) when Chloe died.
Candy was a true warrior through and through, honestly, she didn't break down enough during that process (couldn't be me, I would have gone crazy).
Why do I say that?
We saw before Candy being understanding, showing empathy and loyalty to her friends, even to her significant others, but Rayan's unwillingness to share what was happening with the death threats, the kinda stalking nature, and the prossecution, all to not put a burden even bigger on her shoulders, BUT THE PATIENCE SHE RETURNED WITH IT, she asked, she didn't really know what to do or give what he needed at the moment, but she was there.
She never stopped being there, no matter what curve ball the situation gave her. And it was more than many would do in such situation.
And okay, the restaurant moment, trying to make him go with her, was a miss. My girl was delulu there. No discussion.
But who could've thought Rayan would SIMPLY runaway like a scared teenage boy that crashed his mom's car? Nobody. The answer is nobody. Even thou, after he had done it I was like "oh, I saw something like this happening before on his route".
Even when he communicated to her that he wasn't even in town anymore, she was simply devastated. But never stopped trying to understand his side. And later when Eric was pointing out (kinda rightly so, I give him that much) and she got to actually defend DEFEND the man who bolted on her, that got unceremoniously into a train and was GONE, she showed that her loyalty was real.
Like Eric didn't know Rayan at that point. Candy could've so easily (and some answers were, to be fair) talked badly about his behavior to Eric as a moment of anger or hurt, she had every right to, but choosing not, is to her merit for sure.
And we all know how hurt she must have felt, because she was ready to fight the situation head-on with Rayan, however, Rayan was NOT ready to face the situation head-on with her
(not because he didn't trust her, I read as that's his defense mechanism, he runs. When he caught himself having feelings for Candy? He ran. When they kissed and it was coming real? He ran. He knows how to be brave, but first, my man bolts, that's his thing).
AND STILL, when he came back, she received him with open arms!! With love!! Forgiveness even!!
Some of us cheated on Rayan with Eric, but honestly, honestly?? No judgments here.
And later when Chani asked Candy to talk to Marina about what happened and Marina admitted all of those things, after everything that she saw that whole situation from Rayan's perspective, how hurted and out of himself he was for weeks and Candy didn't jump on Marina at any point???
Even when Marina was like "if you did get hurt by it in the end it was none of my concern" sociopath shit. Truly, what a bad person. Toxic. Selfish. Naive. Sociopath real shit.
Through it all, that damn war, Candy made it work.
And I daresay, they only survived that one because of her, because Candy did not give up.
I don't think it was very realist like, we at least should've sit with Rayan and have a conversation about that whole shutting us out of the situation that him at times did, at the very least, and pretend it didn't happen, shouldering it alone, always so forgiving, couldn't be any of us, let's be honest here, just Candy with her never-ending loyalty.
And maybe, just maybe, that arc with Marina could've been better if we saw more of Candy's feelings and her expressing them to Rayan in a justifiable way (not like the restaurant thing, which was pushing a situation that didn't have to happen) but actually giving out a real moment.
A moment when we could actually express our feelings and even justify kissing Eric if some of us wanted to. But at once, actually seeing Candy getting hurt by Rayan's attitude, understandable getting upset, and expressing it to him to then he apologizes. Not having him just magically understanding what he did wrong and apologise without any of her input.
Just as I take my imaginary hat off for how adult and loyal Candy was in that whole situation, I also missed having the hurt she felt expressed properly to Rayan and I know he would understand and even grow from it. Another missing chance to improve Rayan as a character.
I had the feeling that Rayan was already insecure about them drifting apart and waiting for her to leave. This experience proved to him that she is loyal and they are ready for marriage.
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I seriously can’t stand Rayan’s arc, I mean it’s risky, interesting and dramatic. What I can’t stand is how those involved behave after the truth came out, I can’t stand Murielle or Priya… they are everything that’s wrong
I haven’t played it- maybe I will never finish LL, it’s a bit too boring to me. However, I have read full recap and it’s simply horrible.
Priya, Marina, Murielle- all of them are simply awful. Never admitting what they did was damaging, never accepting they were wrong, never taking responsibility.
Beemoov picked such heavy topic without realizing that Rayan is done in this city, uni, maybe even as a teacher. In internet era and canceled culture he has no future in any work that has this “mentor- student” status. Those three women for various reasons destroyed him.
And it’s hard to tell which one is more vile. The mere thought abt them makes me wanna puke.
Especially the alleged lesson to be learned from this arc: Marina is not responsible for her actions because she was in love, but Rayan being friends with his students is toxic masculinity.
I'd rather say "if she performs the Dance of the Seven Veils for you on the podium, will you at least get a little bit suspicious?" I wonder how long his family has lived in Europe, he may even be a victim of culture clash as well as lookism, like Todd in Outsourced who was "sexually harassing" his Indian employees by squeezing their shoulders as a friendly gesture. Rayan also rubs Hyun and Priya the wrong way while white (and black) women think he is a womanizer.
On a second note, does Marina really thought she had a chance with Rayan? Even in his route?
Woah, that just shows how little she knows about him.
Disillusionment on astronomical levels. That's what I call that.
Fancy of her to think that someone that would be with Rayan, the affectionate, polite, romantic, honorable Rayan, wouldn't be loved by him deeply.
That's really just shows how much she doesn't know about him. Which just shows that he really never had any interest to know her better or let her know him better, which is completely the opposite of what happened in mclul, which just shows how his arc is heavily inspired on mclul and his relationship with Candy.
They should've come up with something else. Seriously.
I also thought about that. I’d understand it if you’re not Rayan’s route, meaning he’s single and Marina can think she might have a chance if she gets close to him. I wouldn’t blame her. But she does it even if Rayan and Candy are together.
Not only she knows Rayan is in a serious relationship, she also has met and spoken with Candy, so she knows his girlfriend.
Even more when you think about all the times when she was friendly with us, while having a torch for him all this time and behind our back trying to swing her way to his personal life.
Whatever was Marina's big plan this whole time, I bet when Rayan rejected her she saw it all crumbling.
Do you guys remember when in UL, Priya liked us a little less whenever we liked Rayan back in front of her? What if she already preferred to think of us as his victim?
If I am not mistaken (I could be) it’s not only Priya that gets less affinity with us if we choose to defend or share our liking for Rayan, I think it happened at some point with other characters too, because we had to “lock” into one route so we could get the scenes. Differently from mcl, where I think we choose right, on the kiss episode so we could get “lock” into one route, mclul doesn’t ask. They rely on our choices and the affinity.
But sure, I think Priya did tried to make us feel like the victim and tried to portrait Rayan as manipulative or deceitful; after all, Priya took Miss Palty’s (is that her name?) view of the situation, not even Marina’s because according to her she never accused Rayan with her own words she just let Palty take charge and paint what happened to Priya.
At that time, almost all characters doubted Rayan’s innocence. There’s always someone trying to make us think that maybe he wasn’t being truthful and when he started to isolate himself, that’s when the possibility of cheating with Eric showed up; for other’s character it was kinda abrupt cuz they all started to disagree with Candy all of sudden and create some animosity that could justify the cheating; with Rayan it was more deeply linked into his behavior and what was happening with Marina.
So it wasn’t just Priya. But sure, I think she wanted us to talk badly about Rayan; maybe confirm her own bias so she could justify her own actions.
Trying to start UL over, Melody dislikes us the most if we admit to having a crush on him, but LL Priya is also noticeably more vicious on Rayan's route.
You think I know how to handle this? I don’t. They’re trying to make him sus asf, insisting in talking to her is a way of making us doubt him for sure, but I still don’t believe he did anything to her.
Because lemme tell you.
If Rayan, by some crazy alternative universe, had fall in love for Marina, he would 100% come clean about it. If in some sort of crazy alternative universe, he had in some way cheated on Candy, Rayan would’ve come clean about it.
I’m sure about this, because with Rayan’s route honesty and true are the bases for positive dialogues, his relationship with Candy is based on truth above it all.
Besides on mclll he already said that, if cheating would happen, from either side, they would sort things out together. So he would’ve told her. He has no reason to lie. It’s on the game, this is not me saying it based only in his personality or in what I want to believe in.
If he said he did nothing, that he don’t know from where Marina got that idea, he isn’t lying. I’m saying this because I know ppl will come to my askbox later about this, but I really don’t think Rayan is lying.
She is the one he considers at least best friend material (I could imagine the three of us forming an Alexy-Rosa-us-like trio under different circumstances), and he likes open-minded, genuine and caring people. Otherwise, I’d ship Chani with Lysander when making up fix fic ideas.
Though I suspect he takes Candy for a spoiled fair-weather partner and is getting insecure about his ability to keep a younger woman now that there is no forbidden fruit and thrilling secret affair, until we prove ourselves by standing by him through the false accusation.
This is too nostalgic :,,,( i cant believe my babies are getting engaged finally.i still remind how they met on the University. The attraction was there, at first was just an impossible love,an unreachable longing and admiration from both parts. Candy is looking at him with such eager eyes
And Rayan even rejecting her to keep their relationship as moral as possible,cutting every possibility even before that nothing happened.(Did i already mentioned how good looks that suit on him? 👀 JesusChrist,Sir,dont make me squeal over you)
AND NOW THE BABIES ARE GETTING ENGAGED AND SOON MARRIED 😭🥺🥺🥺
Especially in Love Life, when he was getting insecure about how long he could keep a younger woman now that ge is not a forbidden fruit anymore, we can prove throughout the false accusation that Candy does stand by him for better or worse.
Can we stop for a minute and think about Candy's perspective during that whole situation between Rayan and Marina?
I don't talk enough about the feminine perspective of our female lead when I talk about Rayan's route, but today I was reflecting.
Ok. I won't even get into much of "did he actually and unknowingly give the wrong idea to Marina and maybe even was too trusting of others, more than he should?" cuz, come on, we all know from Marina's mouth that it was all in her head and she was the one trying super hard to hook up with someone's else man, saying that if Candy got hurt or not in the process, that was none of her concern (well, the black eye me and my girl Candy could give to Marina was also none of our concern, but we didn't so), let's leave this on the side right now.
But let's actually talk about Rayan's behavior outside of it, like when the shit went down and we got a glimpse of what he looked like (probably) when Chloe died.
Candy was a true warrior through and through, honestly, she didn't break down enough during that process (couldn't be me, I would have gone crazy).
Why do I say that?
We saw before Candy being understanding, showing empathy and loyalty to her friends, even to her significant others, but Rayan's unwillingness to share what was happening with the death threats, the kinda stalking nature, and the prossecution, all to not put a burden even bigger on her shoulders, BUT THE PATIENCE SHE RETURNED WITH IT, she asked, she didn't really know what to do or give what he needed at the moment, but she was there.
She never stopped being there, no matter what curve ball the situation gave her. And it was more than many would do in such situation.
And okay, the restaurant moment, trying to make him go with her, was a miss. My girl was delulu there. No discussion.
But who could've thought Rayan would SIMPLY runaway like a scared teenage boy that crashed his mom's car? Nobody. The answer is nobody. Even thou, after he had done it I was like "oh, I saw something like this happening before on his route".
Even when he communicated to her that he wasn't even in town anymore, she was simply devastated. But never stopped trying to understand his side. And later when Eric was pointing out (kinda rightly so, I give him that much) and she got to actually defend DEFEND the man who bolted on her, that got unceremoniously into a train and was GONE, she showed that her loyalty was real.
Like Eric didn't know Rayan at that point. Candy could've so easily (and some answers were, to be fair) talked badly about his behavior to Eric as a moment of anger or hurt, she had every right to, but choosing not, is to her merit for sure.
And we all know how hurt she must have felt, because she was ready to fight the situation head-on with Rayan, however, Rayan was NOT ready to face the situation head-on with her
(not because he didn't trust her, I read as that's his defense mechanism, he runs. When he caught himself having feelings for Candy? He ran. When they kissed and it was coming real? He ran. He knows how to be brave, but first, my man bolts, that's his thing).
AND STILL, when he came back, she received him with open arms!! With love!! Forgiveness even!!
Some of us cheated on Rayan with Eric, but honestly, honestly?? No judgments here.
And later when Chani asked Candy to talk to Marina about what happened and Marina admitted all of those things, after everything that she saw that whole situation from Rayan's perspective, how hurted and out of himself he was for weeks and Candy didn't jump on Marina at any point???
Even when Marina was like "if you did get hurt by it in the end it was none of my concern" sociopath shit. Truly, what a bad person. Toxic. Selfish. Naive. Sociopath real shit.
Through it all, that damn war, Candy made it work.
And I daresay, they only survived that one because of her, because Candy did not give up.
I don't think it was very realist like, we at least should've sit with Rayan and have a conversation about that whole shutting us out of the situation that him at times did, at the very least, and pretend it didn't happen, shouldering it alone, always so forgiving, couldn't be any of us, let's be honest here, just Candy with her never-ending loyalty.
And maybe, just maybe, that arc with Marina could've been better if we saw more of Candy's feelings and her expressing them to Rayan in a justifiable way (not like the restaurant thing, which was pushing a situation that didn't have to happen) but actually giving out a real moment.
A moment when we could actually express our feelings and even justify kissing Eric if some of us wanted to. But at once, actually seeing Candy getting hurt by Rayan's attitude, understandable getting upset, and expressing it to him to then he apologizes. Not having him just magically understanding what he did wrong and apologise without any of her input.
Just as I take my imaginary hat off for how adult and loyal Candy was in that whole situation, I also missed having the hurt she felt expressed properly to Rayan and I know he would understand and even grow from it. Another missing chance to improve Rayan as a character.
And how much more mature and supportive Candy was as a student. At least I, the player, assumed he was just being his friendly self until his strange behavior after the concert only for him to admit on our honeymoon that he WAS lovestruck from the start. She insists, even to congratulating best friends, that there is nothing between them, not to get him in trouble. He asks for a break, she doesn't run away sobbing, she understands. He offers to resign, she talks him out of it, because he loves his job. She can even get herself kicked out of the class for defending him when he is accused.
So, talking about Rayan leaving, my mind sees it in two split ways and that's how I've been thinking about it since the episode, but I was reluctant in admit it.
First, in that episode we needed something to keep all the Li's busy/away so Eric could undoubtedly have dinner with Candy. I saw some screenshots of the Li's getting home late and since Rayan doesn't have his job anymore to keep him away in this situation, they put him to leave.
That's the connection my brain made in the next day and I think it's what it is.
But the second is, well, Rayan does have the tendency to run away sometimes when he feels overwhelmed or with his back against the wall. You maybe ask me when he did it? Well, I think episode 3 (when he meets Candy after Castiel's concert) and the start of episode 12.
But okay, he's also the type that when he takes a decision, he won't step back and he will do what's right (more often than running, like when he admitted in episode 4 that he does feel something for her, in episode 7 when he's decided to know her better, in the end of episode 12 when he says sorry and want to drop his job for her.... And I could keep going chronologically by event to event).
So in theory, leaving wouldn't be something out of character, because he have done it before. Meanwhile it serves most and mainly to the plot with Eric.
But there's also the whole situation taking a stroll on him. I mean, receiving death threats everyday in your own home? Afraid of going outside and having someone attacking you and your girlfriend? Even if it was ooc, this is one of those things in life when ppl feel like there's no other way to protect themselves or get some peace of mind they do.
And I kinda need to take my hat to the game for bringing the conflict so close to Candy's and Rayan's relationship.
Because I'm one of those ppl that strongly believes that Candy and the Li's relationship should be the main focus, that their relationship should have arcs instead of the Li's having their own arcs (which I know, in a game like mclll when you still have the other Li's around, even after you're in a commitment, isn't happening, they have their own stories too). But this is the closest of what I wanted for sure.
I interpreted it as Rayan being too sweet and devoted to fight with and neglect Candy like the others, he could only be a naive and well-intentioned victim of external circumstances.
literally the only good thing that came out if this whole M*rina fiasco was this messy Rayan spire, he looks delicious ✋😔❤ I want to hug him and tell him it’s all going to be ok
Renata brought our relationship up to try to threaten us into throwing him under the bus, I watched the playthrough in the meantime. Marina was sliiightly respectful of our relationship by not intentionally spreading the rumors, just not correcting them on Rayan's route, but Priya was more unhinged. On Castiel's route, she admitted her mistake instead of putting the blame on Marina.
Hell, Candy also has anxiety and she still fought by Rayan side while nobody else did. Except for Chani, we should have asked her to be our spokesperson from the start.
I am remembering it wrong? Chani was totally on Marina’s side and tried to not be judgmental but kinda too forgiving almost as if she didn’t felt the need to defend Candy’s feelings on that situation.
Also, she just got the plot handed to her to solve. It’s not like it made sense really.
Everybody babied Marina too much, but only Chani has the emotional intelligence to handle these delicate situations and isn’t so implicated in the case that talking to the accuser would get him in legal trouble for “intimidation”. The whole scandal could have been avoided or at least nipped in the bud if someone who knows how to listen talked to Marina.
You mean “only if the right person had babied Marina the right way” while she was unjustly accusing her professor of sexual harassment.
Chani my hero that not at all got the plot handed into her hands because of the Game’s dev in which she is based of.
Nah, why wouldn’t instead of Chani, Priya, which had a small arc in this whole situation, being chosen to solve what happened and find out the truth by Marina herself? Oh, wait, Chani is really the maturity guru the only one with the key, forgoi.
I have little sympathy for Marina, but she herself is only guilty of trying to homewreck. It was Paltry, Priya and Renata who kept lying and witch-hunting, using her as an excuse, the lawsuit was their doing, however much Priya tried to blame Marina for something THEY forced her into. They were also trying to infantilize and drag Candy along the same way. It’s Priya I regret ever befriending in high school after her storyline.
It’s false accusations like the one she did that fucks up real victims. And she took no fucking accountability for that she did, she was like “my bad” and ran away.
Paltry and Renata yeah.
Priya not so much. Bruh. Marina HAS NO VOICE NO SAY????????? Crazy shit.
The plot armor that white women get in this game is crazy.
Priya could’ve done more, but she BELIEVED MARINA AND PALTRY, sorry for believing women y'know.
Keep pity for the person that nearly got a innocence man into jail. Cool cool cool.
I doubt that a lawyer's job description is " blindly believe the first thing you hear, then figure out how to fabricate evidence and strong-arm people to testify lies". Priya should know better as a professional and former survivor of hate crimes. Marina is a selfish coward but only "told" any lies the way Iago did in Desdemona.
Do you guys remember when in UL, Priya liked us a little less whenever we liked Rayan back in front of her? What if she already preferred to think of us as his victim?
If I am not mistaken (I could be) it’s not only Priya that gets less affinity with us if we choose to defend or share our liking for Rayan, I think it happened at some point with other characters too, because we had to “lock” into one route so we could get the scenes. Differently from mcl, where I think we choose right, on the kiss episode so we could get “lock” into one route, mclul doesn’t ask. They rely on our choices and the affinity.
But sure, I think Priya did tried to make us feel like the victim and tried to portrait Rayan as manipulative or deceitful; after all, Priya took Miss Palty’s (is that her name?) view of the situation, not even Marina’s because according to her she never accused Rayan with her own words she just let Palty take charge and paint what happened to Priya.
At that time, almost all characters doubted Rayan’s innocence. There’s always someone trying to make us think that maybe he wasn’t being truthful and when he started to isolate himself, that’s when the possibility of cheating with Eric showed up; for other’s character it was kinda abrupt cuz they all started to disagree with Candy all of sudden and create some animosity that could justify the cheating; with Rayan it was more deeply linked into his behavior and what was happening with Marina.
So it wasn’t just Priya. But sure, I think she wanted us to talk badly about Rayan; maybe confirm her own bias so she could justify her own actions.
And hey, infantilizing Candy lets her have it both ways in her mind: howling for our partner's blood but for our own good as well. Her female friend is not another enemy on her own volition, just a poor brainwashed victim.
