Not a Bot Just a Lurker

[sailor-moon-moon]

The nature of humanity is that every few years someone reinvents the mothership of ships and my pattern recognition skills are left to deal with the consequences.

[pinesphinx]

The last.

[faithdeans]

time to see if my old mpreg player works ahhh!!!

[faithdeans]

IT WORKS!!!!

[faithdeans]

MP3 PALYER

[faithdeans]

[wei-meddling-wuxian]

See, I would believe that people who were originally on the "canon jiang cheng" tag were using it as a space to discuss his more morally ambiguous decisions except every other post on there was also tagged "anti jiang cheng". Also using canon in the tag is very bold especially when it's all individual interpretations of the character, which means it falls under fanon instead.

I would also have a more positive perspective if the tag was "jiang cheng critical" if the goal was to have engaging discussions but the audacity of tagging it "canon jiang cheng"....

So yea. So going forward, I propose:

Jiang cheng critical - if you wanna engage in discussion and debate

Canon jiang cheng - for gifs, quotes, fanart etc.

Jiang cheng - for people who enjoy the character and/or canon jiang cheng content

Anti-jiang cheng - for those who don't like the character and don't enjoy him (essentially please by sympathetic to people who actually enjoy the character and related content)

[wei-meddling-wuxian]

Just gonna address these last few posts because jesus. Before I start

a) Nowhere in my post do I demand people change how they use the tag nor do I have the power to do so. I can't force you to stop using the tag or change the way you use it but I can request it as someone who's part of the fandom - don't know why that's hard to grasp

b) I have no issues with varying perspectives regarding jiang cheng or any other character, I just care that you use the tag "canon" for only one of those perspectives which I think takes away from the nuance of the topics and the story as a whole.

c) looking at my initial post, maybe the tag labels could change but the categories still look okay in my eyes (though remove the "canon jc" content within the jiang cheng tag since they're meant to do different things and the canon tag should only include canon content and not fanart)

it's okay if we have differing opinions. but you can't judge different perspectives as fanon just because it doesn't agree with your interpretation of the text. I definitely agree that there are povs of extreme degrees on the pro- and anti- jiang sides.

my proposed idea was to change the content of "canon jiang cheng" because it doesn't accurately represent, imo, what the word canon means in the fandom context. considering most posts criticize jc's actions, a tag like "jiang cheng critical" more accurately depicts what the tag's content is compared to "canon jiang cheng", or even "antagonist jiang cheng" if that's more to your liking (since most of the characters can't be easily put into "good" or "bad" boxes)

I'll also concede that adding fanart and fanworks to the "canon jiang cheng" is contradictory to my inital post. but if the canon tag is there, it should be what canon means, which means the source material.

I agree that canon doesn't have to be positive - so if you wanna post quotes from the source material of jc being antagonistic that's completely canon

my criticism is that the tag has been used when its users are adding their own interpretations based on how they've interacted with the text which isn't canon.

I also know that I can't force people to use tags or demand they change, but I do think tags are an integral part of the tumblr fandom experience and that changing it can help with navigations and catering your experiences so I made a post about my pov based on my current experience on the fandom

omnipresent can still be a biased narrator. just because we know about scenes where wwx isn't present, doesn't mean we understand or know their motivations or thoughts behind said scene - wwx is the main narrator and we know his thoughts specifically (though there are limited exceptions like jc and the core-reveal). mxtx definitely flips back and forth between omnipresent and omniscient but regardless, biases and unreliable narration can still exist within those.

maybe it's a preference thing but over my time in fandom, that while there are people I disagree with on certain perspectives, its definitely possible to agree on others so I don't block unless its something I find egregious and not liking my fav isn't what I'd put under the category. seeing how this fandom is doing however may change my mind.

our fandom experiences may be different but I can only speak to what I've seen, if you haven't seen it, that's fine.

again why is a request to maybe consider another perspective seen as a personal attack of some sort? I just expressed that I didn't think the "canon" in the "Canon" jiang cheng was accurate, and proposed a way I thought could deal with it - where did I demand everyone must change (which I would never do) and even if I did, it would be pointless since there's no way to execute it.

yea maybe not all interpretations are valid but there seems (from my pov) that even headcanons are completely dismissed despite being able to fit into the canon - hence why I stated that but I should have probably worded that better.

There are two types of third-person point of view: omniscient, in which the narrator knows all of the thoughts and feelings of all of the characters in the story, or limited, in which the narrator relates only their own thoughts, feelings, and knowledge about various situations and the other characters.

While we occasionally get different pov's and it goes between limited and omniscient(like in harry potter where most of the story is limited to harry but specific chapters are outside of his scope), most of the story is told through wwx's perspective. I would still argue that wei wuxian is an unreliable narrator since he tends to obfuscate certain pieces of info (I interpret it as part coping mechanism and part flippant nature) and post-res seems to have gaps in his memories.

I'll reiterate, I don't mind that there is a tag for that is critical of jiang cheng and doesn't, in your words, "uwu woobie fanon jc", alternative perspectives usually lead to interesting debates. my main criticism is that this very specific and narrow pov is called "Canon jiang cheng", implying its the "true" perspective.

also tag changes are not always bad even if it takes time to get used to, from the aso|af fandom including "valyr|anscrolls" to keep game of thrones show and book content seperate, to the bsd fandom using character tags that are "bsd chvuya" vs "n@kahara chuvya" to help people find content relating to the writer and not the anime character. these tags aren't foolproof and not all of them use it but it has been used and it does help

requesting a change in the fandom rules shouldn't immediately be stricken down because the person is new to the fandom, jesus. especially when I'm not asking to remove the content of the tag but to just tag it with something that more accurately represents what's in it, aka "critical jiang cheng" for example.

[jiangchengneedstherapy]

Pretty sure it’s been repeated many times already, the reason why “canon jiang cheng” tag was made, was because if someone so much as quoted the novel was told ‘stop jc hate/put it into anti tag’ or ‘make your own tag!’ I feel like that is one of the reasons now that people have been making posts talking about reclaiming him there’s lot of passive aggressiveness in the responses, because it feels like you’re agreeing with that at first glance. “I have no issues with varying perspectives regarding jiang cheng or any other character, I just care that you use the tag “canon” for only one of those perspectives which I think takes away from the nuance of the topics and the story as a whole.“ I understand where you’re coming from, though the tag was made by fans who wished to talk about jc the way he was in the novel, it now does have stans and antis alike using it which you can ask the majority neutral tag users who use it for intended reasons have already blocked, or are responding to them. However, there comes the prev point again, we can’t tell what someone’s intent is behind posting, for example your post felt very sweet and neutral to read (at least to me but I also see why others confused you for another person trying to ‘reclaim’ the tag) and just feels like a neutral discussion but there are still things that are a bit unsure on what you’re saying. For example: “I have no issues with varying perspectives regarding jiang cheng or any other character, I just care that you use the tag “canon” for only one of those perspectives which I think takes away from the nuance of the topics and the story as a whole.” can mean anywhere from you wanting a more in depth talk in his character than simple ‘jc was bad in this’ to..well In the past if someone even said “hey isn’t it terrible that jc declared wwx an enemy to sects even though they agreed to tell people wwx left the sect?” they would be told thats hate, thats anti, and not a canon statement, even though the person would be using direct quotes from the novel next to interpretation.  So yea when you just say that canon tag is not accurate, its hard to tell if you’re talking about the bashing posts that have entered the tag through some antis or just any interpretation that talks about negative things jc did canonically. “my proposed idea was to change the content of “canon jiang cheng” because it doesn’t accurately represent, imo, what the word canon means in the fandom context. considering most posts criticize jc’s actions, a tag like “jiang cheng critical”  most posts (once again, not including the bashing/stan posts that have entered the tag) criticising jc do it in regard to what the guy does word to word in the novel.  Like quoting the novel where jiang cheng uses a dog knowing wwx fears it more than death as way to torture him, or jiang cheng’s own thoughts along with his disciple quotes proving he in fact tortured innocent people who were not wwx come back from the dead even after zidian confirms it, in these contexts, if the person adds their interpretation that ‘hey thats a shitty thing to do’ and criticise him, i think that is still under canon category (the tag was made for any discussions in line with canon because if you were to say ‘hey jc was shitty in these scenes’ in the jc tag there would be 15 different comments telling them how wrong they are and how they need to put ‘jc hate’ into anti tags)  like if we say ‘look how shitty wrh was/jgy was in these scenes’ in wrh/jgy tag there’s nothing wrong about that, but jc tag was too overtaken by fanon that it finally ended in people making the canon tag out of frustration to just discus what he does in the novel (ik im sounding repetitive here but im trying my best to explain haha)

So while i get what you’re saying that ‘canon’ tag should only have quotes, i do think if the discussion is based on canon facts and interpretation is following novel quotes/isn’t something that goes against the novel or what the novel is trying to tell, i think that does have a place in the ‘canon jc’ tag because that was what the tag was made for.

“omnipresent can still be a biased narrator. just because we know about scenes where wwx isn’t present, doesn’t mean we understand or know their motivations or thoughts behind said scene - wwx is the main narrator and we know his thoughts specifically (though there are limited exceptions like jc and the core-reveal). mxtx definitely flips back and forth between omnipresent and omniscient but regardless, biases and unreliable narration can still exist within those.” This part however, is a long known fanon pet peeve because in certain scenes the novel goes into the heads of characters like what jc is thinking, it has info wwx has no way of knowing like jgy giving jl the dog during the time he was dead, there are even scenes where wwx is not present at the time like the discussion conference, even jzx’s perspective and what jyl was secretly doing, wherever its wwx’s perspective the novel makes it clear like ‘wwx thought/wwx saw/wwx believed’ etc, while other times it goes ‘jc thought/jyl secretly unknown to everyone/some sects were gathered and talking’ without wwx’s perspective on things its not limited in switching povs and i get what you’re saying, that canon jc tag shouldnt be considered ‘true’ perspective, i agree, nothing other than novel texts can be considered ‘true’ and any and all interpretations will always be interpretations, thing is how close to ‘true’/’canon’/’novel’ are these interpretations to make them canon compliant. 

[hiddensandtrap]

I feel like it's also worth noting that "canon (character name)" is not a common tag format. You won't go into Our Flag Means Death fandom and see posts tagged with "canon blackbeard", this is not a misappropriation of a commonly used tag format by haters, the tag name is a reference to the fact that the most flattering interpretations of Jiang Cheng are unabashed fanon and are considered permissible in the main tags, but actually quoting the novel got people yelled out of those spaces. Is it spitefully derisive of Jiang Cheng's stans? Yes! Of course it is! Why shouldn't it be? There's no "gotcha" here on proving that people who use the tag have bias, everyone involved in this has bias, it's how it happened in the first place.

I wouldn't fault OP for not knowing that, or anyone else for that matter. One of the reasons the situation has derailed is because a lot of people think it is just some common fandom tag that you would see used in other contexts (but even in this fandom, there's no version of it for other characters that sees common use).

So the situation is actually kind of like if you one group of kids got kicked out of a clubhouse called The Clubhouse and they made their own clubhouse called The Better Clubhouse, and then people start coming into it like "I don't know if your clubhouse is technically better, maybe you should build another one and call it The Clubhouse We Like Better instead, that would be more accurate". From a strictly technical standpoint they're not wrong, but you can probably see where this might miss the mark, right? The people who started using the Canon Jiang Cheng tag were being snarky and that's why it's called that, and that's also why the same people who didn't want them in the main tag got offended and started nitpicking its accuracy. Because it's an insult to them. Deliberately. But they earned it.

[jiangchengneedstherapy]

So, looks like I've been blocked for saying Jiang Cheng's people were scared of him to ask him for help on the post about his 'good leadership' skill in Canon Jiang Cheng tag, I'm sorry I assumed that was up for discussion and I really was genuinely meaning for a discussion, and also @labyrynth I did get your notification of asking for source. The two main sources are "Arrogance (5)" and "Longing (3)" In Arrogance, we get Jiang Cheng's thought process highlighting that yes, he's captured people before even if zidian told him they were not body snatchers, the main crime he was capturing them under. A moment ago, Jiang Cheng was certain that this person was Wei WuXian, and all of the blood in his body started to boil. Yet, now, Zidian was clearly telling him that he wasn't. Zidian definitely wouldn't deceive him or make a mistake, so he quickly calmed himself and thought, this doesn't mean anything. I should first find an excuse to take him back and use every possible method to get information out of him. It's impossible for him to not confess anything or give himself away. I've done things like this in the past anyways. After thinking it through, he made a gesture. The disciples understood his intention and came over.

The disciples are long used to it, that's further highlighted in "Malice (1)" 

The owner was getting ready to close the shop for the night. Suddenly, seeing that a fancy-clothed, dark-faced young man kicked open the door and walked inside with someone in his hand, appearing as if he was going to disembowel the victim right here, the owner was so frightened that he couldn't speak. A disciple went up and whispered a few things in his ear. With some silver pushedinto his hands, he quickly fled to the back of the hall and never came out again. Without any further instructions, the Jiang Sect's disciples instantly spread out from the inside to the outside, making it so that nothing could enter or escape the place.

Of course the rumors will spread, the people are scared but no one interferes, how can they? The disciples are even used to giving money and making sure no one else can enter/no one can escape, even when they know zidian confirmed that he's not possessed. And then in "Longing" The owner, "That I'm not so sure about. Anyways, the temple's quite popular. In Yunping City, no matter what someone runs into, we'd all go there and pray for the Guanyin's protection. I sometimes go there and light a few sticks of incense too."

Wei WuXian asked, "Then why don't you go find the cultivational sect that's in charge of this region?" He only remembered after he asked. Wasn't the cultivational sect in charge of this region precisely the YunmengJiang Sect.

Yet, the owner curled her lips, "Go find them? How dare we?"

Wei WuXian, "Oh? Why not?"

The owner, "Young Masters, you're not from Yunping City so you don't know. The Jiang Sect is responsible for all of us along the Yunmeng area. The Sect Leader's got quite a bad temper. It's almost frightening. His subordinate's said so a long time ago. Only one sect is in charge of such a large area. Each day, there are almost a hundred cases of small ghosts or other creatures pulling pranks on the living and all that. If every single small thing had to be dealt with immediately, would there be enough time and energy? Those that don't kill anyone aren't malign spirits, and we're not supposed to disturb them with trivial matters that aren't malign spirits." She complained, "What is this supposed to mean? Wouldn't it be too late if we waited until somebody's died to find them?!"

In truth, to refuse to act unless it was a malign spirit was a silently agreed rule that all of the larger sects followed. Although 'to be wherever the chaos is' was praised by many, the only person who really followed this was Lan WangJi, the one beside him right now.

The owner continued, "On top of that, Lotus Pier is truly a scary place. How would anyone dare go there again?"

Wei WuXian moved his gaze from Lan WangJi's calm face with a short pause of surprise, "Lotus Pier is scary? How could Lotus Pier be scary? You've been there?"

The owner, "I haven't been there myself, but I know someone who went because his house was being badly haunted. But it was all bad luck. That Sect Leader Jiang was cracking a glowing whip right on the training field. The victim's flesh and blood flew as high as his screams! A servant secretly informed him that the sect leader caught the wrong person again, that he hadn't been in a great mood, and that he definitely shouldn't be irritated in any way. He was so scared that he dropped off the gifts he brought and fled at once.

He never dared visit again."

Here Jiang Cheng is highlighted as no different than other sects who don't help until someones dead, its common in their society to have little care for the locals but add his torturing habits on top, who would risk asking for help when they could be the next ‘wwx come back from the dead'? So what if zidian confirms they’re not? Sect Leader Jiang will do as he pleases.

I’ve seen this get dismissed as rumors a lot, but its not just rumors, if his thought process confirms it, if his disciples are long used to taking action around it, when his people walked in on it happening, and when they're long used to praying in the Guanyin temple for help than to approach him afraid of his temper.

[roguefandoms]

This is an (un)friendly reminder:

Tags are not communities.

Tags are a tool to organize posts and filter content.

"Taking" a tag means nothing except that you are fighting against the filtering of content.

If you don't like certain users content, the block button is free, and so is the filter post content feature.

[shisasan]

𝙹𝚞𝚕𝚢 𝟷, 𝟷𝟿𝟷𝟺, 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝙳𝚒𝚊𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝙾𝚏 𝙵𝚛𝚊𝚗𝚣 𝙺𝚊𝚏𝚔𝚊, 𝟷𝟿𝟷𝟺-𝟷𝟿𝟸𝟹

[ID: July 1. Too tired. END ID]

[gabrielandworms]

Oh, so twitter is DEAD dead

[thatdogmagic]

By intention, no less.

per the Emerald Boyking (whose picture I have thoughtfully cut in half, you are welcome)

[bubobubosibericus]

[elodieunderglass]

I don’t LIKE this happening but it is amazing HOW it is

[enki2]

[optimysticals]

Happy Pride!

[aces-to-apples]

Being a sex-positive personally-sex-repulsed ace is weird cuz like reading about sex? Awesome. Writing about sex? Not much more intolerable than writing about anything else. Sex is good. Sex is normal. Sex is only as important as you let/want it to be. Kinks are natural expressions of sexuality. Sexual purity is a scam. Bodies are nothing to be ashamed of. Sex work is no more exploitative than any other kind of labor. If you touch me I will throw up on you.

[aces-to-apples]

Reblogging for pride month

[cryptotheism]

It's nice seeing the reddit users realize they can relax here. The danger on reddit is trying to guard against a broader community of annoying pedants. But understand that here, the danger is trying to guard against Wandering Savants.

If you fuck up on reddit, you get 1000 people correcting your grammar or w/e. If you fuck up here, you get one really smart weirdo writing a 10,000 word essay intricately disassembling your post with sources.

[animentality]

[muck-raker]

[ID: two tweets by Janel Comeau @VeryBadLlama (13 Jun 23):

apparently a lot of cis women need to hear this but a world where our faces, bodies, hair, breasts, clothing and voice are constantly scrutinized as "not feminine enough" is infinitely more dangerous than a world where trans women might also be in the bathroom and need to pee

angry people feeling an obsessive need to look at every inch of my body to decide if some small flaw in my waist proportions or jawline warrants demanding to inspect my ID or genitals does not feel particularly safe to me

/ end ID]

[beemovieerotica]

pirates of the caribbean really introduced an eldritch octopus man who kills indiscriminately and torments the dead as their poster villain and then you watch the movies and it's like, "oh no, actually the worst villain in this series is a small white british man who functions as the herald of capitalism" and that was very very brave of them

[theunvanquishedzims]

#here is a man so heartless he has literally cut his own heart out of his chest #but he's still not as evil as the fucking east india trading company

[riseofthecommonwoodpile-deactiv]

humans don’t have enough ornamentation. where’s the plumage, the antlers

[wetorturedsomefolks]

i could go for a good vibrant throat sac i could display as i sing in the mating season

[derinthescarletpescatarian]

Humans have some of the most extreme hair variation over their bodies in the animal kingdom, with hair on some parts of our body a few millimetres long and fine enough to be almost invisible, and hair in other parts a good metre long if not artificially trimmed. Part of the inside of our mouths are turned out to make our lips bright red, we have comically oversized breasts and lack penis bones to make erections more indicative of impressive circulation, and have some of the most complex behavioural adaptations to self-ornamentation for courtship seen in anything that doesn’t spend half its life collecting blue bottle caps. How much ornamentation do you want?

[riseofthecommonwoodpile-deactiv]

I’d like antlers, as previously stated

[queerce]

I want bioluminescence

[beowulf22121]

Sonar

[teaboot]

Flared webbing would be nice

[moon-mason]

[madamslayyy]

Got his ass together in three words

[triviallytrue]

Conservatives accidentally doing this never gets old

[triviallytrue]

based

[entitty]

dont any of you dare forget this gem i quote this daily

[arachnid-bastard]

Extremely well played

[gadunkie-deactivated20251222]

[cyclonopedia-deactivated2023111]

never let the haters get to you