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The entirety of TNP GN 1 appears to have leaked online. I will not be discussing spoilers on this blog until the official release date.
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I know everybody brings up how long leaders last now compared to early books, but I think the much more obvious difference is how long deputies last.
In arcs 1 and 2, we go through Redtail, Lionheart, Tigerclaw, Fireheart, Whitestorm, Greystripe, and Brambleclaw. Then in arcs 3-10 (presumably, I doubt Ivy or squirrel die this arc) (minus one because DOTC is exempt) we continue to have Brambleclaw, then Squirrelflight and Ivypool.
The first two arcs went through 7 ThunderClan deputies. The following 7 arcs only went through 3 (2 if you arenāt counting Brambleclaw, since he was just continuing from the previous arc and probably shouldnāt be counted twice)
I liked when the deputies would die frequently. Leaders living longer can be justified. They have 9 lives, and recently thatās been implied to beat out death by old age, so it makes sense to go arcs with the same leader, even if itās not my preference. But deputies are constantly expected to be on the front lines, the same as their leaders. Except they only have one life.
I guess itās a symptom of only making beloved fan favorites deputy. They dont want to kill off Ivypool anytime soon. Considering the timing and how unceremoniously it happened, I think itās possible Brambleclaw was demoted and killed off because they saw fandom sentiments towards him too. (They definitely started noticing which characters we favored through the plush and mini polls.)
I need the deputies to die more often. And tangentially related, I need more background nobodies dying. There are too many, and having a random cat get killed always upped the stakes without harming the narrative. I miss high stakes warrior cats.
I agree. One of the biggest problems I have with how the series is progressing currently is the lack of casualties, and thatās evidenced by ThunderClan being about 3x the size it was in into the wild. Like I know we live in a much more peaceful era now but food shortages and disease thrive in populations that are overpopulated, if the cats arenāt killing each other, can nature do it? Just a little more often than the never we currently experience, as a treat?
Thereās just been quite a few examples recently where conditions are prime for mass casualties and then only like 1 plot important person dies and thatās it. Iām looking at you ASC.
AVOS and TBC did actually kill off a significant number of characters to their credit, but sadly ASC just brought that to a halt. And we still have cats in ThunderClan, our main pov clan, that basically arenāt characters because theyāve not had the chance to do anything ever.
But to get to your original point, deputies are just too stable now, obviously we have had deputy turnarounds recently like Crowfrost and obviously Reedwhisker, but it would have been nice if fan fav Crowfeather had been splattered by that eagle rather than miraculously being fine with zero explanation. Surprise us Erins! Suddenly kill off an old fan fav!
At this point I think the fandom will riot if Jayfeather doesnāt die in False Dawn like everyone is predicting š we yearn to be very unexpectedly heartbroken
Omg I canāt unsee that now š
Besides DotC, I think Mapleshade's Vengeance is also a good book that some people take out of context.
There was someone who had said Appledusk was sleeping around and idk, it was just... Weirdš„š„š„. Or another time when people would go around and say Mapleshade babytrapped Appledusk which was also very weirdš„š„š„.
I feel like none of y'all read the books. You just take what you see online and roll with it.
The problem with a franchise having about 100 books is that lots of people arenāt going to read all of them and will just read summaries and/or opinions online, which does really suck because it leads to lots of misconceptions and bad-faith readings of something a person hasnāt even read themselves.
Probably about 80% of the time I see someone completely shitting on anything that came out after oots they havenāt actually read anything after oots. Thatās quite common in this fandom sadly.
And yeah definitely also see things like this where people take other peopleās opinions as gospel because they havenāt explored certain books themselves and so assume if someone says something happened in a certain way, than it did.
My favourite example is the whole ableist Nightheart fiasco from the release of Sky. Where someone who got the book early said that Nightheart thought less of Jayfeather because Jayfeather was blind, when the actual book doesnāt mention his blindness in that instance and it doesnāt impact Nightheartās thoughts about Jayfeather.
Look, I don't even like Moth Flight but rereading her book and seeing how horrible Wind Runner treats her is a huge yikes.
I may not like Moth Flight but she deserves waaaaay better than that.
Yeah it is a big shame how sheās treated
Iām much more interested in the dark forest cats and the things they get up to down in kitty cat hell than anything else, so Iām very pleased that ASC gave us THREE whole new evil dead kitties.
That brings the roster to Houndleap, Rushtooth, Curlfeather, Berryheart, Splashtail, One Eye, Silverhawk, Sparrowfeather, Mapleshade, Thistleclaw, Maggottail, Stumpytail, Clawface, and I guess Frecklewish if Iām forced to accept that. And kind of Juniperclaw.
There are really so few cats down there. Not even enough for a clan. Itās a pipe dream, but Iād LOVE a dark forest perspective book that entirely, almost entirely takes place there. (Maybe a super edition about one of the cats we donāt know the backstory of/barely know it that has the first thirdish of the book leading up to their death and the rest in kitty hell.)
You could make such a good roster of characters with the amount of cats here, and considering the anti-redemption nature of the series and cats like Frecklewish ending up in cat hell somehow, you could have some of them be genuinely nice cats.
Iām honestly shocked neither Berryheart nor Curlfeather got the Rainflower treatment of going to heaven and being cured of evil mother disease. But I guess they did kill people. I love you dark forest kitties
The Erins saw our prayers for more villanous women and absolutely delivered in asc, thank goodness they did never go the Rainflower route, I was scared they might for Berryheart.
I would love to hear more dark forest stories and meet more characters as well, although I guess at this point it is canon thereās barely anyone left thanks to the great battle, but that doesnāt mean there arenāt cats still hiding in there that we are yet to meet, for example we have never actually seen One Eye and Frecklewish in there.
It would be so great if we got more dark forest stories, villainous characters as usually a lot of fun.
Now is your chance to ask the Erins themselves some questions!
Comment on this Instagram post linked below for a chance to get an answer!
Ok this is getting absurd, Iām going to have the clear out the bottom shelf as well just for warriors soon š
Firestar and Sandstorm's tails look like were made to fit each other š„°
As it should be š„ŗ
I wouldn't say Leopardstar is a villain. Yes, she did allow two of her warriors and two apprentices be imprisoned. Yes, she sat back and watched her deputy be killed but I wouldn't put her in the villain category.
I'm mixed with her but I don't deem her a villain.
Yeah definitely
Sheās an antagonist but not a villain imo. She did bad things but that was due to a string of bad decision-making and feeling unable to escape from her choices, rather than malicious intent.
I imagine Curlfeather and Berryheart get into an argument about whose daughter is better and Curlfeather hits Berryheart with "My kit killed Splashtail! What did your kit do?!"
Berryheart starts cursing under her breath and kicking rocks as she walks away š
Goldenflower stood on business when it came to her kits.
Absolute icon who deserved more than the narrative than being largely discarded in TNP and then just dying offscreen with little fanfare before po3. At least sheās been spoken about and remembered in Chasing Shadows. Itās sweet how they note that Brambleclaw is reunited with her now.
Driving in my car meme but it's Curlfeather trying to run over Splashtail in the df.
YES
Wind Runner... I love you, Wind Runner but my girl Moth Flight deserves better than that.
Oh yes absolutely š
Although even if it isnāt the intention of the Erins, at least imo, it does pave the way for an alternate rereading of Moth Flightās story about abuse and trauma
I just realized Daisy appears in TNP.. Sammy Savos is making the Daisy design š„¹
I absolutely cannot wait
i like to imagine random things in my head
what if bluestar gave firepaw to longtail for funsies
right after the fight
Honestly banger AU
I feel like that would end up endearing Fire to Longtail sooner and might cause friction between Long, Tiger, and Dark earlier on
In regards to Wind Runner ask
DOTC isā¦ weird on this topic. Itās the only arc (aside from TPB obviously but that feels unfair to include) with no female protagonist. Women are consistently treated horribly in this arc and constantly die for the development of their male counterparts.
I donāt blame people for latching onto her considering sheās one of very few women to take control of her own situation. Looking at it through that lense, she does seem like a āgirlboss.ā Shes the exception to a very sexist standard in DOTC.
But like you said, upon reread this narrative just falls apart. She goes out of her way to bring down other women constantly, and doesnāt do anything to challenge the sexist ideas of DOTC. In fact, she plays into them. Sheās just as awful, if not more so, to women than most of the men in the series are, and thatās a shame.
A very good summary of her.
Itās such a shame too, like other things in dotc, with a few tweaks she could have been actually great