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sakamotokaori

happy 26th birthday kaori! ♡ (apr. 9)

sakamotokaori

past program references in kaori sakamoto's a million dreams ☆

unoqlo

Yuna Nagaoka & Sumitada Moriguchi, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road / 2026 World Championships (-)

sakamotokaori

kaori sakamoto ♡ time to say goodbye at worlds 2026

skate-the-onion

“Yuzuru Hanyu plans quadruple axel for world championships, coach says“

contagiousrhythminmybrain

2020 European Champion, Dmitri Aliev

#dmitri aliev #only good thing to come out of #europeans 2020 #tbh

Alena winning the Finals is the good ending I wanted (everything else i will choose to ignore)

#i love alena

figureskating-fanatix

the deduction for a fall is too low

What do you think? I’m thinking, it should be proportional to the base value of the attempted move and cant be lower than one.

fanspiral

But it is proportional to an extent. Since the new GOE system rewards points based on percentage, a fall on a harder jump will lose you more points. Compare it to the previous system where a fall on a quad/3A got you an automatic -3 in raw GOE which then gave you -4 (in addition to the point deduction). In the new system, -5 goe means that 50% of the basevalue is lost + ofc the deduction for a fall.

A fall on a quad lutz (BV: 11,50) gives you -5,75, while a fall on a quad toe (BV: 9,50) gives you -4,75. Sure, the lutz still earns more points in the end, but it is a harder jump. In that sense, this scoring system does take difficulty into account.

Of course, you specifically wanted a higher margin of deduction. I agree with that to an extent. Since falls are already reflected in goes, pcs and deduction, I don’t think it’s a matter of taking off more points when it comes to a single fall. Now, this is just my opinion, but I’d like to see the amount of falls be reflected more harshly. Currently, the system is that the first two jumps recieve a -1, fall three and four receive -2 and so on. I’d personally love to see the deduction value go up with every fall, as to promote the value of a clean program (urs, edges and such aside).

But I’d say, as a whole, due to the new goe system. The point loss is proportional to the jump/element executed.

#figure skating

incandescentlysilver

2019 Rostelecom Cup: Evgenia Medvedeva + Memoirs of a Geisha

#she did so good!!!#zhenya #my russian queen #evgenia medvedeva

figureskating-fanatix

Jump Difficulties? Quads vs Triple Axels for Ladies

Hi there,I’m relatively new to the figure skating world and I’d just like some input as to how difficult jumps can really be. I’ve noticed as of lately that the Russian ladies are really stepping up the competition with all the quads they’ve been throwing in as of recent.However, with Shcherbakova and Trusova doing quadruple lutzes of all jumps in competition, I’m intrigued by the fact that they’re still doing mere double axels in competition. I would have to imagine that a triple axel is an easier jump to perform compared to a quadruple jump? I know that triple axels were the norm for men for the longest time before quads began to become the norm. For ladies, I know that Rika Kihira is using triple axels in competition and is holding off on quads for now. I don’t imagine that a triple axel would be as or more demanding of a jump compared to say a quadruple lutz per se, seeing how for the former you don’t need to rotate as quickly in the air or perhaps jump as high.Of course, I’m only speculating at this point. If anybody can help clarify this point for me either through perhaps experience or some interview I am not aware of, I would gladly appreciate it. Figure skating is a very interesting sport to me and I always love to know more about the little intricacies of it. I know all the jumps by now at least, still trying to piece together all the different types of spins however.

fanspiral

Okay, I’m by no means an expert, but here’s some clarification. Anyone is free to correct me/go more in depth.

You make a good point in saying, “why does 3.5 rotations seem harder than 4 for some girls” but you’re missing the mechanics of the two types of jumps. The axel is special, because the physics of it is simply different than the other five. When jumping an axel, your force is distributed differently, and without good tecnique, timing and feel for the jump, the power of it can easily be oddly distrubuted (there’s a really good video out there of Yuzuru explaining this)

There’s also just the simple fact that axels are easier for some than others. I remember Elizaveta Tuktamysheva saying that she decided doing 3A because she had always had a good axel anyway. Another example is Nathan Chen. His whole senior career, his quads have all looked solid (barring any mental block) but his 3A was always... bad. It’s been better lately, but it’s the jump he has the highest margin of error on, even though he can produce quads very easily.

Lastly, in terms of the young Russians doing quads. It’s easier to learn something when you’re young, and if you already know that their triples are more stable than their 2As, then focusing on quads may be easier than going for 3A. And in a field where practically no one is jumping quads, it makes sense to just learn the hardest one (lutz) in order to really separate yourself from the field.

(I’d say there’s also a lot to be said for the technique being used, as I believe it’s harder to prerotate an axel type jump to the degree that you can rotate a non-axel jump, and unfortunately if you look at the ladies’ 4lz’s that are being attempted, they rotate quite a lot on the ice before getting up into the air, but that’s another topic and not necessarily true for all quads being attempted by ladies)

#figure skating