Anableps, Analysis, and Art

A blog for fish facts, my creative pursuits, and overanalyzing my favorite pieces of media. Ran by FourEyes (She/They).

[sapphiresaphics]

I think the reason everyone tends to gravitate towards Kane Pixel’s version of the backrooms is because he actually has a STORY he’s trying to tell.

The backrooms as an Internet horror concept has been degraded over time with the wiki and the TikTok slop content and 100+ levels and random weird ass entities.

Kane still does entities and weird rooms, but he uses those things to further his story. They become THEMES and NARRATIVE DEVICES. They exist to serve a greater purpose and not just give you a cheap jump scare. He actually puts thought into WHY the backrooms are scary and he doesn’t shove it in your face every 5 seconds.

And that’s why Kane’s version of the backrooms will always be better than the nonsense that we get as derivative slop on YouTube/tiktok. While they’re out here making “level Burger King” or whatever, Kane is actually trying to dig deep into the psychology of what these rooms and monsters MEAN to us humans and finding ways to distort and twist that meaning into something truly unsettling and yet profoundly interesting.

[iuvenis-vespilla]

I very much always loved the layers, but looking at them, they're dumb. They don't have reason. Why are there layers? Are they infinite? Why is there heaven layer/pool/etc etc. the movie says, "because it remembers reality", while the tiktok slop just says "eh, because!". I want there to be layers, but it has to have reason. And- they always had random entities. Hell, I even thought up a version while walking on Thursday.

It's based on the YAAI level from 2021. Very short explanation of my idea; the YAAI forces you to see all your worst memories and biggest traumas and regrets with every beat, and also blares to hurt your ears and alert anything else. Like a scavenger calling over the predators. It's dumb but it has REASON, y'know? It makes you relive everything, very very fast. Makes you catatonic or unaware.

[foureyesisafish]

Saying the layers need to have a reason to exist is sort of missing the whole point. Like the Backrooms as a whole don't need a reason to exist, the original post sure doesn't. So why do you need to define why the layers are there?

And things don't need to be narratively important to exist. Just making stuff for cheap jumpscares is obviously the worst way to approach it, but not every entity in there needs to be a tight bundle of themes. Sometimes it can just be something in a barely understood world, which looks like - but isn't - our own. Leaving them without meaning might honestly be more powerful than giving them one.

[grangvr]

twitter users hate the new backrooms movie because it doesn't feature three trillion pointless AI slop levels, goofy "monsters" and doesn't follow a made-up FAN created wiki.

REAL backrooms enthusiasts know that the original concept of the backrooms from the original photo is what inspired Kane to make his own interpretation, therefore i don't get why people are so surprised that Kane used found footage in the way he did

Also a MOVIE comes with ACTORS, these users being shocked that the movie has actors in it would suggest they've never seen a movie before

[foureyesisafish]

to be fair, the wiki came first, and then Kane Pixel's series. but at the same time, it's a feature-length installment in Kane's series, which is a different incarnation of the backrooms than the wiki.

honestly I think the wiki version of the Backrooms has potential to be an interesting setting if it was refined, especially with regards to making the entities less... generic.

[foureyesisafish]

Deltarune take: Heaven is cold and fate, Hell is hot and freedom, and that is the main conflict of Deltarune.

[foureyesisafish]

Corollary: the normal route is aligned with Hell, while the weird route is aligned with Heaven. An... interesting development.

[foureyesisafish]

Deltarune take: Heaven is cold and fate, Hell is hot and freedom, and that is the main conflict of Deltarune.

[hypexion]

The worst-kept secret in Magic is now revealed: that Reality Fracture will feature Hexhaven, the evil anti-Strixhaven. What's new information is the reveal of the five schools of Hexhaven, and what they're up to.

I'm now going to opine on the this initial information for no particular reason.

Fatehold – Starting strong, with a name that really invokes the idea of "inverse Lorehold". It's the school of "future histories", suggesting a focus on dictating the future rather than discovering the past.

Theorix – Namewise this one feels a little weird to say, and it's less mirrored compared to the first. As a school of "estoric mathematics", I'm not quite sure what will make this different to Quandrix.

Stingerquill – Yes, it's really called that. Perhaps a little too much "evil Silverquill" happening here. I'm also not sure how being the school of "painful words" makes it much different from it's Strixhaven version. Silverquill is all about words and how to use them.

Konstrari – Okay this one is just awkward to say, what with that rouge r running around in there. But the concept of "constructive arts" is an interesting mirror of Prismari's focus on expressive arts. Additionally, Hexhaven will be forgiven if this is the fabled "not stupid RG faction".

Vigorbloom – Getting back in the flow of things with a very anti-Witherbloom name. This is the school of "invasive healing", which has a very sinister ring to it. You know who else was into invasive healing? That's right, Momir Vig. And also Yawgmoth.

Very interested to see if Hexhaven will be doing Strixhaven-style mechanic twists for the allied colour pairs.

[littjara-mirrorlake]

Opinions seconded on pretty much all of these. I've also heard talk about how as opposed to regular Strixhaven, Hexhaven is notably militarized–Konstrari dipping into weapons manufacturing, Stingerquill being propagandists, Vigorbloom serving as combat medics, etc.

[foureyesisafish]

They're also a lot less open-minded compared to their Strixhaven counterparts - each Hexhaven school basically represents a 'definitive' answer to the core dichotomy at the heart of their respective Strixhaven school, missing the point of the clashing viewpoints in the first place.

Fatehold believes that history is universally orderly, to the point of being able to perfectly predict the future, and move towards the "optimum path".

Theorix believes that theory is all that matters when studying the universe, and that it is entirely down to intuition, not an observation of nature.

Stingerquill believes that words should entirely be used for self-interest, and are weapons to be bludgeoned against the peasants that stand in your way.

Konstrari believes (seemingly) that creation is about the physical, and not the insubstantiative, and that ultimately precision and technique trump raw expression (ironically closer to the U side of prismari than R, but that's balanced out by the physical).

Vigorbloom believes that death is worthless, and that life is the only thing that matters, so any additional life is always a good thing, even if it's growing inside you.

So each of the colleges basically miss the point of their Strixhaven counterpart while espousing their superiority and "correctness". Who would be so brazen to claim this as the superior model? Who would miss the point of having two viewpoints to inform each other, and instead cling to one as 'correct'? Who thinks they know what's best for everyone, but are completely wrong and are starting from the wrong premise? Oh, I know who!

JACE BELEREN.

The schools are a perfect reflection of how Jace sees the colleges, education, and the world in general - namely, as a problem to be solved rather than something complexed and multifaceted. It also is extremely illustrative of Jace's main flaws - how he thinks he's smarter than everyone and knows best, even when he's missing most of the picture. Even though he's mostly omniscient, he has severe blind spots and impaired judgement that he mistakes for impartiality, which have been growing wider and wider as of late.

[markrosewater]

Adding generic mana doesn't make a break a non-break? Is 3-4 mana dark ritual really a break? : p

A break is talking about color pie appropriateness, not power level. Black is allowed a little access to producing mana, but it has to have cost in additional to just mana.

[tm-doublezero]

So is abzan devotee a break? Both it and the proposed card would colorwash a mana into black mana.

[foureyesisafish]

color filtering is a color-agnostic ability nowadays, especially with a 1/turn restriction.

[littjara-mirrorlake]

BLEX IS GONE??????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

RIP to a legend 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🐛🐛🐛🐛

[foureyesisafish]

Rest in peace, Blex. May your afterlife be undisturbed and full of delicious carrion.

[slagworthspsite]

Harrieon

MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES FOR THE LONG WAIT! I BEEN PERFORMING SOME INTENSE RESEARCH IN THE RUNOFF, BUT AM NOW HAPPY TO BRING FORTH MY RESULTS! SAY, I HEARD THAT ONE OF THESE SPECIMENS FOUND A PERFECT, PRISTINE, FOUR-EYED TASSELWATTLE!

Cagney here. It should be noted that I haven't  found any records of the “four-eyed tasselwattle” being a known type of retrofauna. 

Spearing Avigler

Description

An avian bioconstruct with a long neck and a squat body. Their eyes are covered by a green-tinted transparent covering, and before their long, hooked beak is a brightly-colored comb. A long tongue, ending in two prongs, extends from a nostril. 

Biology

The Harrieon is an old variety of monster designed for the capture of aquatic animals, while still being able to function outside of the water. While not capable of true amphibious behavior, its shielded eyes and large lung capacity allow it to extend its head deep into the water while still being able to sense its surroundings. Its large feet are capable of gripping tightly around most surfaces, keeping it stable in the case of more belligerent prey.

The Harrieon's bill has several barbed protrusions, allowing it to keep a hold on even the slipperiest of targets. In addition, it has a long tongue –normally wrapped around the skull when not extended– that can produce a paralyzing electric shock. If it can't pursue something directly, its elaborate comb is designed to produce a psigital signal that attracts living creatures.

Behavior

While an effective monster in their native purpose, as a species Harrieon have a noted tendency for storycraft. It's known wisdom that the monster shouldn't serve as a sentry alone, as they have a seemingly ingrained habit of exaggerating their accounts. This may be a byproduct of their courtship behavior, which heavily relies on verbal accounts of their exploits.

This, however, does not explain their equal tendency to believe other's stories, even in the case of obvious implausibilities. While its origins are unknown, unearthed materials suggest that it was implemented in an attempt to ensure that the species would never be seen as more trustworthy than their metahuman masters.

Small Bioconstruct, Brawn 4/Brain 4, Scan 16

Eyes: Protective Coating: [ADAPT darkness, high pressures] [COMBINE 1] E2

Crest: Wormy Appeal: [INFLICT +1d10 taunted/brains] E1

Beak: On The Hook: [DAMAGE +1d10 physical/brawn] [APPEND ruptured:physical] [SHUNT towards] [REACH +2] E3

Tongue: Fish Prod: [DAMAGE +1d10 electrical/brawn] [APPEND fettered] E1

Legs: Waddle: [MOVE land] E1

Feet: Holdfast: [RESIST +1d10 forced movement] E3

Weakness: Sucker For A Story: [RESIST =>2d10 illusions] [ENGAGE =>2d10 recognizing deceit] 

Quirk: “It Was THIS Big!”

{{I probably should have made the feet look more suited for gripping, but only realized so by the time I was long done with the lineart.}}

{{With this entry, I'm introducing the “starter” tag. This is for monsters with a value equal to or under 8 points and 11 endurance, like the official Demishades.}}

[ravioliet]

okay more serious version of my other post about this but the fact that arachnophobia modes that censor spiders are the video game accessibility settings things that have become widespread instead of other accessibility settings perplexes me so much. like if you can remove spiders from your game but not things like flashing lights or effects that cause motion sickness i think you might need to reconsider your priorities

[foureyesisafish]

Ok, I'm gonna be controversial for a moment. I think standardizing arachnophobia modes is a bad thing for games as a whole, and for animal conservation. It singles out spiders as a Uniquely Traumatic Thing when arachnophobia is around as common as ophidophobia (fear of snakes) and cynophobia (fear of dogs). It also means shoehorning spiders into roles that are easily replaced like generic monsters instead of getting more interesting/nuanced/positive in their portrayals which honestly makes things worse in general.

By contrast, stuff that reduces motion sickness effects and flashing lights would be far more useful across the board while not targeting out a single group of animals as Uniquely Traumatic and Terrible.

[bogleech]

My cookies look like wobbegongs

[bogleech]

As I suspected at first sight, these are to me the best cookies that I've ever had. Once cooled a little they scrape off in one gooey mass with the crispy, chewy caramelized fringe intact.

WOBBEGONG COOKIES:

-1 cup each brown sugar and white sugar

-2 cups all purpose flour

-1 tsp each of baking powder and salt

-semisweet chocolate chips

-1 egg

-1 cup completely hot melted liquid butter

-mix all the sugars and flour together first

-then mix it into the butter

-then mix an egg into the dough.

-then the chips

Bake 11 minutes at 350f directly on an ungreased metal pan, no tinfoil, when I tried again with tinfoil they did NOT get the delicious frill:

[foureyesisafish]

Can you try the recipe without eggs?

[existennialmemes]

It's funny when people act like Earth was made for humans. Because like, have you seen the Earth? This place was made for saltwater fish.

Yes humans evolved to live here too, but if we're entertaining the idea that an all powerful deity created the earth for any particular species, it's definitely gotta be something from the ocean.

I'm just saying. If you're looking at a place like "who was this made for?" And around 70% of its surface is not habitable, and actively hostile, to your species, then it's a safe bet it's not you.

[bogleech]

It's giant squids. They only have one predator, which is severely impacted by humans, who find the giant squid inedible

[villainessbian]

It's fungi. They don't give a shit about your "surface" though they use it just as well as the immense underground. The only thing that mainly just eats them - the earthworm - has such a bounty before it that it gets to be about half the animal biomass on Earth. alone. All without making a dent in the fungus there is, because fungus sees all and consumes all. The fungus's nemeses, bacteria, have been waging such a war with fungi for millions of years that fungi and bacteria became almost impossible to kill. They've been in an arms race for longer than sentience has been around. Why are antibiotics always at risk of failing? Because bacteria learned to resist from fighting fungi.

[existennialmemes]

Counter point: The world was not made for fungi, but it was the fungi who transformed the world for everything else. Everyone looks for the gods in the cosmos, but they've been dwelling beneath our feet this entire time. Farming us.

Bacteria technically came first. They are the old gods. But fungi usurped them millennia ago.

[foureyesisafish]

does that make viruses eldritch entites in this conception

[ganondorf]

abstract and modern art haters are sooo snobby like klein literally Created an entirely new pigment and then painted a canvas in a way where the brush strokes wouldn't be visible. the insinuation that people with no skill could reproduce that is so annoying because unless you are skilled at color mixing and painting you definitely couldn’t lmao

[jaimeroyalrobertson-deactivated]

i hope it's okay to add this because i think it hits the nail directly on the head

[dsudis]

Honestly, it's like picking up a book and saying "I know all these words, I can type, I could have written this" like there's no middle step between the technical ability and the finished work.

[derinthescarletpescatarian]

It's especially funny when they're also wrong about the technical ability because they don't understand the specific medium and assume that something very hard would be very easy.

[hutch2much]

"i could've done that" YES. YOU COULD. YOU COULD ALSO PAINT THE MONA LISA, OR A CEILING IN THE STYLE OF THE SISTINE CHAPEL, OR SCULPT THE STATUE OF DAVID

outside of genuine full-body paralysis, ANYONE CAN MAKE ANY PIECE OF ART!!!! it's not a matter of "talent" or "natural ability," and even if it was, that's not what art is about. art is about manifesting your emotions, beliefs, and experiences in a physical, tangible way. to say simplistic or modern art "isn't art" is like if van gogh said the mona lisa "wasn't art" because "he could've made it too" that's NOT THE POINT

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

"art is about manifesting your emotions, beliefs, and experiences in a physical, tangible way." That's partially true, but incomplete, isn't it? I mean, vomit is a physical manifestation of emotions or an experience, but we don't consider that art, do we? Art isn't only about self expression-- art also requires artifice, skill, and an audience. Otherwise what you're describing sounds more like outsider art. Which is fine if you're absolutely insane, however probably not the widely accepted definition we should be going with.

[hutch2much]

hi! you are pretentious as hell. "outsider art" is just as much art as any other piece of artwork

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

'"outsider art" is just as much art as any other piece of artwork' I ain't saying it isn't, retard-- what I am saying is it is usually the work of the clinically insane, and is outside of who and what are normally considered artists and art-- because it's usually clinically insane. My point was more that there was more to art than mere self-expression, so defining all art as merely being about self-expression misses the mark, and isn't a good working definition.

[hutch2much]

why does it matter if an artist was clinically insane. they're still a person with feelings and emotion and views of the outside world.

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

Yes-- but we're not going to romanticize it, because we're sane, you understand? We're not going to make our functional definition indistinguishable from mental insanity-- we're not going to call all art merely "self-expression" regardless of intent, purpose, perspective, or skill.

[foureyesisafish]

so you're essentially saying here than anyone with a mental illness cannot produce anything of value at all?

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

No-- merely that self expression alone is not a good working definition of what art is. Unless you're insane.

[foureyesisafish]

self expression is literally the only definiton of art that doesn't exclude something artistic

[ganondorf]

abstract and modern art haters are sooo snobby like klein literally Created an entirely new pigment and then painted a canvas in a way where the brush strokes wouldn't be visible. the insinuation that people with no skill could reproduce that is so annoying because unless you are skilled at color mixing and painting you definitely couldn’t lmao

[jaimeroyalrobertson-deactivated]

i hope it's okay to add this because i think it hits the nail directly on the head

[dsudis]

Honestly, it's like picking up a book and saying "I know all these words, I can type, I could have written this" like there's no middle step between the technical ability and the finished work.

[derinthescarletpescatarian]

It's especially funny when they're also wrong about the technical ability because they don't understand the specific medium and assume that something very hard would be very easy.

[hutch2much]

"i could've done that" YES. YOU COULD. YOU COULD ALSO PAINT THE MONA LISA, OR A CEILING IN THE STYLE OF THE SISTINE CHAPEL, OR SCULPT THE STATUE OF DAVID

outside of genuine full-body paralysis, ANYONE CAN MAKE ANY PIECE OF ART!!!! it's not a matter of "talent" or "natural ability," and even if it was, that's not what art is about. art is about manifesting your emotions, beliefs, and experiences in a physical, tangible way. to say simplistic or modern art "isn't art" is like if van gogh said the mona lisa "wasn't art" because "he could've made it too" that's NOT THE POINT

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

"art is about manifesting your emotions, beliefs, and experiences in a physical, tangible way." That's partially true, but incomplete, isn't it? I mean, vomit is a physical manifestation of emotions or an experience, but we don't consider that art, do we? Art isn't only about self expression-- art also requires artifice, skill, and an audience. Otherwise what you're describing sounds more like outsider art. Which is fine if you're absolutely insane, however probably not the widely accepted definition we should be going with.

[hutch2much]

hi! you are pretentious as hell. "outsider art" is just as much art as any other piece of artwork

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

'"outsider art" is just as much art as any other piece of artwork' I ain't saying it isn't, retard-- what I am saying is it is usually the work of the clinically insane, and is outside of who and what are normally considered artists and art-- because it's usually clinically insane. My point was more that there was more to art than mere self-expression, so defining all art as merely being about self-expression misses the mark, and isn't a good working definition.

[hutch2much]

why does it matter if an artist was clinically insane. they're still a person with feelings and emotion and views of the outside world.

[acetylcholinenjoyer]

Yes-- but we're not going to romanticize it, because we're sane, you understand? We're not going to make our functional definition indistinguishable from mental insanity-- we're not going to call all art merely "self-expression" regardless of intent, purpose, perspective, or skill.

[foureyesisafish]

so you're essentially saying here than anyone with a mental illness cannot produce anything of value at all?

[anton--rayne]

yankees don't get the right to have a negative opinion on the word usamerican

[anton--rayne]

"it pisses me off" "it doesnt sound good :/" well youre welcome to use any non American alternatives we can also use such as Seppo,

[foureyesisafish]

i mean yeah we do actually you don't get to determine our endonym and we definitely get to have opinions on exonyms.

[anton--rayne]

What a bunch of weird tags. I also notice that you conveniently cut out the part of the post where deeper analysis about why getting worked up over the term is insensitive & useless was made. You "get to" have opinions and we get to don't give a fuck about you being a cry baby. The name "america" is the name of two whole continents, and Yankees stole it from everyone else because you didn't name your country, and other Americans get to tell you thats stupid and not support you doing it. "USamerican" is a very respectful and correct term. Someone who is specifically from the United states part of the American continents. Why get so worked up and whine over it?

[foureyesisafish]

so first off I don't tag much, so excuse the tags being weird - I was referring to our indigenous inhabitants who were here far before anyone else.

but on the main point - our country is LITERALLY NAMED america (hubris of the founding fathers), so it is a natural endonym to use even if it's rather confusing. and i wasn't saying usamerican was a bad exonym/endonym/intermediate here.

What i was saying is that your first point is so abysmally bad that it's making you a giant hypocrite. Should Germans be able to complain about being called German? I absolutely think so. I think we should be able to as well and have our concerns heard.

Also there is no standardization of exonyms, so the ones we come to should be by general concensus and also approved by the people we're referring to. that's a general statement that applies to us in the US as much as people around the world.

TL;DR: I know the US is deservedly a punching bag but please don't sacrifice your basic respect for everyone for it.

[anton--rayne]

Yea it wasn't completely clear you were referring to that, thanks for clarifying. If USA was abolished to become a new, non genocidal salvageable country, the new country having a name with roots in one of the native languages instead would be pretty good and preferable. But it seems as though you have bit of a politically uneducated idea on the concept of "basic respect", but thats understandable, nothing to be ashamed of as long as one is willing to learn. Do you think white people have the right to name themselves "the superior race"? I assume no. Would we be denying them basic respect by not accepting to refer to them that way, even if they insisted not calling them "the superior race" was disrespectful to their self determination rights? Would you take them serious if they later complained about how people denied them their own naming rights of "the superior race"?

You might think that example is not comparable at all, but if one is to have deeper knowledge about the nature of US cultural imperialism and Latin America, then it is easier to understand that its actually pretty comparable. The way USA frames itself as "the default" also helps them export their racism & right wing ideas and helps them justify their oppression of people both within their own country and outside. Obviously naming is a small part of that, but it still is an important part of it, it's literally the branding of the country. one that especially tires Latin Americans, who are some of the most harmed & oppressed by USA and have to deal with their harmful capitalist policies. They don't get to be "Americans" in the world's cultural eye, because USA sold itself as *the* America. They only get to exist as "The other America, not *the default* one, the *lesser* one where dirty latin live" because of the narrative USA sold to the world. So you understand, they like to challenge that racist narrative in small ways, and other people of the world support them

The reason USA is the "default America" and referred to as "America" is not a Neutral one or one where it's simply a matter of naming, and many USAmericans don't even know why it bothers racialized people the first place, therefore we often see Latin Americans being attacked by USAmericans & being subjected to racial harassment because not being called "American", being reminded they are not the Default, annoyed them. They often complain by being racist especially to Latin Americans, and you are surely capable of understanding that this post is an exaggerated language complaint about this racism and inescapable cultural imperialism?

[foureyesisafish]

you are deflecting the point away from a very applicable example and the actual heart of my objection. "Germany" is nothing like the region's endonym Deutschland, and thus "german" is exclusively an outsider term. It's the example I know the most about, and so it's the one i used.

I am complaining your dismissal of insider perspectives because IT'S THE EXACT THING THAT GOT US IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE, at least for a lot of other countries. ...also, who the hell uses "America" to refer to North and South America collectively and not use Western Hemisphere instead? it's a legitimate question because I've never heard that in my life. Could just be me preaching my ignorance, but the actual problem here is why the hell do we have two totally different continents with the same name, and then a country which shares a name with both?! The answer is of course imperialism, but you got me on a tangent. My point is you can absolutely complain about usamerican. And I will. It's an okay solution but I like it a lot worse than stuff like usonian (which i should get into the habit of using).

[yungmoomin]

yankbeasts like you piss me off so much. obsessed with your idiotic navel gazing and philosophizing because you refuse to acknowledge you aren't special or unique just because the racist genocidal empire you call a country has spent its entire existence raping and exploiting the rest of the world. yankees don't deserve what you call "basic decency" as long as you lot categorically refuse to show such "basic decency" to everyone else on the planet and learn to shut the fuck up.

[foureyesisafish]

did you even read what i say

[anton--rayne]

yankees don't get the right to have a negative opinion on the word usamerican

[anton--rayne]

"it pisses me off" "it doesnt sound good :/" well youre welcome to use any non American alternatives we can also use such as Seppo,

[foureyesisafish]

i mean yeah we do actually you don't get to determine our endonym and we definitely get to have opinions on exonyms.

[anton--rayne]

What a bunch of weird tags. I also notice that you conveniently cut out the part of the post where deeper analysis about why getting worked up over the term is insensitive & useless was made. You "get to" have opinions and we get to don't give a fuck about you being a cry baby. The name "america" is the name of two whole continents, and Yankees stole it from everyone else because you didn't name your country, and other Americans get to tell you thats stupid and not support you doing it. "USamerican" is a very respectful and correct term. Someone who is specifically from the United states part of the American continents. Why get so worked up and whine over it?

[foureyesisafish]

so first off I don't tag much, so excuse the tags being weird - I was referring to our indigenous inhabitants who were here far before anyone else.

but on the main point - our country is LITERALLY NAMED america (hubris of the founding fathers), so it is a natural endonym to use even if it's rather confusing. and i wasn't saying usamerican was a bad exonym/endonym/intermediate here.

What i was saying is that your first point is so abysmally bad that it's making you a giant hypocrite. Should Germans be able to complain about being called German? I absolutely think so. I think we should be able to as well and have our concerns heard.

Also there is no standardization of exonyms, so the ones we come to should be by general concensus and also approved by the people we're referring to. that's a general statement that applies to us in the US as much as people around the world.

TL;DR: I know the US is deservedly a punching bag but please don't sacrifice your basic respect for everyone for it.

[anton--rayne]

Yea it wasn't completely clear you were referring to that, thanks for clarifying. If USA was abolished to become a new, non genocidal salvageable country, the new country having a name with roots in one of the native languages instead would be pretty good and preferable. But it seems as though you have bit of a politically uneducated idea on the concept of "basic respect", but thats understandable, nothing to be ashamed of as long as one is willing to learn. Do you think white people have the right to name themselves "the superior race"? I assume no. Would we be denying them basic respect by not accepting to refer to them that way, even if they insisted not calling them "the superior race" was disrespectful to their self determination rights? Would you take them serious if they later complained about how people denied them their own naming rights of "the superior race"?

You might think that example is not comparable at all, but if one is to have deeper knowledge about the nature of US cultural imperialism and Latin America, then it is easier to understand that its actually pretty comparable. The way USA frames itself as "the default" also helps them export their racism & right wing ideas and helps them justify their oppression of people both within their own country and outside. Obviously naming is a small part of that, but it still is an important part of it, it's literally the branding of the country. one that especially tires Latin Americans, who are some of the most harmed & oppressed by USA and have to deal with their harmful capitalist policies. They don't get to be "Americans" in the world's cultural eye, because USA sold itself as *the* America. They only get to exist as "The other America, not *the default* one, the *lesser* one where dirty latin live" because of the narrative USA sold to the world. So you understand, they like to challenge that racist narrative in small ways, and other people of the world support them

The reason USA is the "default America" and referred to as "America" is not a Neutral one or one where it's simply a matter of naming, and many USAmericans don't even know why it bothers racialized people the first place, therefore we often see Latin Americans being attacked by USAmericans & being subjected to racial harassment because not being called "American", being reminded they are not the Default, annoyed them. They often complain by being racist especially to Latin Americans, and you are surely capable of understanding that this post is an exaggerated language complaint about this racism and inescapable cultural imperialism?

[foureyesisafish]

you are deflecting the point away from a very applicable example and the actual heart of my objection. "Germany" is nothing like the region's endonym Deutschland, and thus "german" is exclusively an outsider term. It's the example I know the most about, and so it's the one i used.

I am complaining your dismissal of insider perspectives because IT'S THE EXACT THING THAT GOT US IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE, at least for a lot of other countries. ...also, who the hell uses "America" to refer to North and South America collectively and not use Western Hemisphere instead? it's a legitimate question because I've never heard that in my life. Could just be me preaching my ignorance, but the actual problem here is why the hell do we have two totally different continents with the same name, and then a country which shares a name with both?! The answer is of course imperialism, but you got me on a tangent. My point is you can absolutely complain about usamerican. And I will. It's an okay solution but I like it a lot worse than stuff like usonian (which i should get into the habit of using).

[anton--rayne]

yankees don't get the right to have a negative opinion on the word usamerican

[anton--rayne]

"it pisses me off" "it doesnt sound good :/" well youre welcome to use any non American alternatives we can also use such as Seppo,

[foureyesisafish]

i mean yeah we do actually you don't get to determine our endonym and we definitely get to have opinions on exonyms.

[anton--rayne]

What a bunch of weird tags. I also notice that you conveniently cut out the part of the post where deeper analysis about why getting worked up over the term is insensitive & useless was made. You "get to" have opinions and we get to don't give a fuck about you being a cry baby. The name "america" is the name of two whole continents, and Yankees stole it from everyone else because you didn't name your country, and other Americans get to tell you thats stupid and not support you doing it. "USamerican" is a very respectful and correct term. Someone who is specifically from the United states part of the American continents. Why get so worked up and whine over it?

[foureyesisafish]

so first off I don't tag much, so excuse the tags being weird - I was referring to our indigenous inhabitants who were here far before anyone else.

but on the main point - our country is LITERALLY NAMED america (hubris of the founding fathers), so it is a natural endonym to use even if it's rather confusing. and i wasn't saying usamerican was a bad exonym/endonym/intermediate here.

What i was saying is that your first point is so abysmally bad that it's making you a giant hypocrite. Should Germans be able to complain about being called German? I absolutely think so. I think we should be able to as well and have our concerns heard.

Also there is no standardization of exonyms, so the ones we come to should be by general concensus and also approved by the people we're referring to. that's a general statement that applies to us in the US as much as people around the world.

TL;DR: I know the US is deservedly a punching bag but please don't sacrifice your basic respect for everyone for it.

[anton--rayne]

yankees don't get the right to have a negative opinion on the word usamerican

[anton--rayne]

"it pisses me off" "it doesnt sound good :/" well youre welcome to use any non American alternatives we can also use such as Seppo,

[tetrafelino]

oh that is lovely

[sprinkar]

peer reviewed

[worldbuilding-tomfoolery]

As a kid I was incensed at the sense of entitlement that goes into US residents calling ourselves after 2 whole continents, so I called usamericans USAans, pronounced you-/say/-ans. Adult me thinks usamericans works better and I'm glad it's catching on

[foureyesisafish]

I agree, but at the same time we're in an awkward position that our country shares a name with the two continents. Hubris of the founding fathers i guess...